Am I colluding with myself? (1 Viewer)

[two_dollars]

My lineup is in my sig.

I lost Daniels yesterday. I was looking over the league roster grid for a TE. The player in last place in my division has Witten and Shockey. This is a PPR league. My backup is Keller, who I don't trust. Keller is on bye next week and there is NOTHING on the WW. I think Witten, though he may not become elite again this year, should be servicable and improve on his avg stats. He needs a RB pretty bad, and I'm pretty good there. (We are in a start 2 RB league.) He's trotting out Benson and Smith weekly, his best backup being Jamal Lewis.

Here's the rub. I know I can probably get Witten if I offer him Gore. Yes, HUGE overpay, I know. BUT.. not only do I desperately need a TE, I am willing to help his team as next week and again in week 13 he is playing my only real threat in the division. Whom I am just 1 game ahead of now with a thin point lead. Basicly I'm giving him the clear better deal because I want to help him beat my toughest opponent. Why? Division winner pays out, AND gets a bye the first round of playoffs (6 of the 12 make it).

The guy in last I am looking to deal with is in no way involved in this thinking. He is still managing his team and making moves to make a playoff push.

Is this shady or good strategy?

 

[SSOG]

Is this shady or good strategy?

Personally, I think it's shady and *BAD* strategy.Generally, I would expect an owner to do the best he could to improve his team (note: his team, not his playoff standings), and it sounds to me like you're not doing the best you can to improve your team- you're intentionally paying more than a player is worth. It's one thing if that's the only way to acquire said player (i.e. if you make an offer and the other guy says "I won't trade Witten unless I get Gore in return"), but to intentionally overpay from the get-go means you're not making a good faith effort to field the best team you can. It's essentially player-renting and then saying "you know what, I'm actually set after all, so go ahead and keep those rentals as a thank-you for beating my rival".

As for the strategy aspect... RB is a very dangerous position. It'd sure suck if one of your starters got hurt after you gave Gore away.

 

[torres]

thats craziness, trade bradshaw and/or a wr for a te, no way you trade gore.

 

[MrSoup]

I'm a fan of anything that improves my team.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I would try to get any player as cheaply as possible but do whatever you can do to help you win games. If you're not going to miss Gore then it's fine. Right now he's worth 0 points to you because you can't start him.

 

[CMU37484]

Well, it's certainly a little shady but I bet things like this happen a lot more often than people are willing to admit.

It's also basic supply and demand. You can't start Frank Gore you can argue, you do HAVE to start a tight end though. So you NEED Witten a lot more than you NEED Gore right? Is Gore worth more than Witten normally? Yes, but 8 weeks into the season values and opinions change.

One could argue that only 1 or 2 draft rounds seperated these guys in value preseason right? Gore was a 2nd round draft pick in my league, Witten went late 3rd............

Heck, Ray Rice went 5th round in my league and a guy offered my Forte (3rd pick) straight up and I obviously said no.

The point is make the deal..........helping the other guy is just gravy.

 

[cvnpoka]

gore for witten would be about the last option i would consider given your lineup. why not start with bradshaw or moreno for witten? if that doesnt work, offer either for shockey.

 

[The Comedian]

Well, it's certainly a little shady but I bet things like this happen a lot more often than people are willing to admit.It's also basic supply and demand. You can't start Frank Gore you can argue, you do HAVE to start a tight end though. So you NEED Witten a lot more than you NEED Gore right? Is Gore worth more than Witten normally? Yes, but 8 weeks into the season values and opinions change.One could argue that only 1 or 2 draft rounds seperated these guys in value preseason right? Gore was a 2nd round draft pick in my league, Witten went late 3rd............Heck, Ray Rice went 5th round in my league and a guy offered my Forte (3rd pick) straight up and I obviously said no.The point is make the deal..........helping the other guy is just gravy.

Amazing amount of wrong in this post.OP> turn in your dorsal fin, gup.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Shark Move

 

[Black]

If you want to get it done, do what you have to do. There's not collusion unless you make some plan to get Gore back in a couple of weeks.

That being said, you give the minimum you can give to get your side of the trade done.

 

[habsfan]

I would suggest you get back to basics.

We're halfway through the season in a hobby where you can almost never have too many quality RBs. You're going to shed one for a TE that has been a fantasy disappointment thus far. Losing Daniels stings but don't let it cloud your judgment. There are so many ways this could bite you sooner rather than later.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I don't see anything shadey about this at all and in fact, I think it's pretty smart.

when owners start thinking like this the game becomes more of a chess match, big fan of that

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Do you only start 1 RB? If you don't I don't see why you would consider this. Gore should be starting for your team, and even if you choose to go Ronnie Brown instead this is the NFL where RBs get nicked up and go down all the time. You need Gore a lot more than you think you do.

Plus, Gore gets Detroit in week 16.

Move Moreno or Bradshaw for Witten.

As far as the "shadiness" of it goes, it's fine. It's just stupid, is all.

 

[FUBAR]

Do you only start 1 RB? If you don't I don't see why you would consider this. Gore should be starting for your team, and even if you choose to go Ronnie Brown instead this is the NFL where RBs get nicked up and go down all the time. You need Gore a lot more than you think you do.Plus, Gore gets Detroit in week 16.Move Moreno or Bradshaw for Witten.As far as the "shadiness" of it goes, it's fine. It's just stupid, is all.

although I wouldn't accept Bradshaw for Witten. Moreno seems about right.

 

[FUBAR]

BTW - if you insist on trading Gore for whatever reason, go after Gates or Clark.

 

[Keith R]

Good strategy. You're willing to overpay to fill a need and by overpaying could help damage your closest competitor. Nothing shady IMO.

 

[MIMN]

I don't think it is collusion but I agree you should focus on winning your games.

If it were near the trading deadline and you were tied or behind by 1 and you thought the other team had a softer schedule then this might be worth a shot. I think it is too early now, but not collusion.

The other side of this trade may ask why you are giving Gore and you should NOT explain why. Just explain that is the trade you want to make (as wrong as it is). If they are in on it then the collusion argument has merit. Keep all email documentation.

 

[beavers]

I just did this by trading away Favre and F Jackson for Sidney Rice and J Stewart. I'm sure I could have got more for Favre but I dealt him to the last place person in the other division.

 

[CMU37484]

Well, it's certainly a little shady but I bet things like this happen a lot more often than people are willing to admit.It's also basic supply and demand. You can't start Frank Gore you can argue, you do HAVE to start a tight end though. So you NEED Witten a lot more than you NEED Gore right? Is Gore worth more than Witten normally? Yes, but 8 weeks into the season values and opinions change.One could argue that only 1 or 2 draft rounds seperated these guys in value preseason right? Gore was a 2nd round draft pick in my league, Witten went late 3rd............Heck, Ray Rice went 5th round in my league and a guy offered my Forte (3rd pick) straight up and I obviously said no.The point is make the deal..........helping the other guy is just gravy.

Amazing amount of wrong in this post.OP> turn in your dorsal fin, gup.

Not sure what was so wrong............I think we agree as I told him to make the deal also and explained why there's nothing wrong with overselling a player.

 

[two_dollars]

I got to sleep on it, and I am over reacting a bit. I did call the Clark owner today and he is interested in Gore, but wants to make it a multiplayer deal so I can also send a WR. The option of a WW TE (everyone carries 2) just is not appealing. Neither is rolling with Keller the rest of the way.

I appreciate the honest replies! It might have been a stupid knee jerk reaction after all. If I go for Witten I might start lower.

 

[The Sniper]

My lineup is in my sig.I lost Daniels yesterday. I was looking over the league roster grid for a TE. The player in last place in my division has Witten and Shockey. This is a PPR league. My backup is Keller, who I don't trust. Keller is on bye next week and there is NOTHING on the WW. I think Witten, though he may not become elite again this year, should be servicable and improve on his avg stats. He needs a RB pretty bad, and I'm pretty good there. (We are in a start 2 RB league.) He's trotting out Benson and Smith weekly, his best backup being Jamal Lewis. Here's the rub. I know I can probably get Witten if I offer him Gore. Yes, HUGE overpay, I know. BUT.. not only do I desperately need a TE, I am willing to help his team as next week and again in week 13 he is playing my only real threat in the division. Whom I am just 1 game ahead of now with a thin point lead. Basicly I'm giving him the clear better deal because I want to help him beat my toughest opponent. Why? Division winner pays out, AND gets a bye the first round of playoffs (6 of the 12 make it). The guy in last I am looking to deal with is in no way involved in this thinking. He is still managing his team and making moves to make a playoff push.Is this shady or good strategy?

Great strategy - the goal is to win the league; not the trade.

 

[DoubleG]

My lineup is in my sig.I lost Daniels yesterday. I was looking over the league roster grid for a TE. The player in last place in my division has Witten and Shockey. This is a PPR league. My backup is Keller, who I don't trust. Keller is on bye next week and there is NOTHING on the WW. I think Witten, though he may not become elite again this year, should be servicable and improve on his avg stats. He needs a RB pretty bad, and I'm pretty good there. (We are in a start 2 RB league.) He's trotting out Benson and Smith weekly, his best backup being Jamal Lewis. Here's the rub. I know I can probably get Witten if I offer him Gore. Yes, HUGE overpay, I know. BUT.. not only do I desperately need a TE, I am willing to help his team as next week and again in week 13 he is playing my only real threat in the division. Whom I am just 1 game ahead of now with a thin point lead. Basicly I'm giving him the clear better deal because I want to help him beat my toughest opponent. Why? Division winner pays out, AND gets a bye the first round of playoffs (6 of the 12 make it). The guy in last I am looking to deal with is in no way involved in this thinking. He is still managing his team and making moves to make a playoff push.Is this shady or good strategy?

Great strategy - the goal is to win the league; not the trade.

I agree. You ask any coach at any level, "What is your job as coach?" - the answer "To win Championships." Anything that helps get you to that goal, that is within the rules and doesn't alienate people or do anything morally wrong, is fine by me. Helping your team clinch the divison, and thus giving yourself a 1st round bye, drastically increase your chances of winning the title. Obviously, if you can give up less than Gore, I would look at that (no reason to intentionally overpay).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

fine strategy but/for that it massively weakens your team if an injury occurs. But offering Moreno/Keller for Witten etc wouldn't be horrible, and would accomplish the same goals.