[Amber Alert] Leonard Pope, TE UGA (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

Some had Pope graded out as a first rounder. Its late in the second and he is still available. His measurables are freakish for sure. Will he be a 1st day selection?

 

[cstu]

I was just going to post this. No idea what has happened.

 

[JAA]

I was just going to post this. No idea what has happened.

This is the sort of player Phi should be looking to trade up for

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

 

[JAA]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

 

[packersfan]

I was just going to post this. No idea what has happened.

This is the sort of player Phi should be looking to trade up for

Packers have three more picks today and could use a TE IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing them snap up Pope.

 

[cstu]

Also on milk cartons:

Eric Winston

Ashton Youboty

 

[freddyg]

Jets would consider him at #71

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

do you see (m)any good TEs at 6'8" or taller in the league?

 

[rzrback77]

I thought that he would go earlier to the Bears, but surely he'll go there now.

 

[EBF]

Like I said, he looks and plays like a tree. Total bust IMO.

 

[lod2005]

I was just going to post this.  No idea what has happened.

This is the sort of player Phi should be looking to trade up for

Packers have three more picks today and could use a TE IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing them snap up Pope.

Yes the 4 TE set is coming back into vogue. Favre is excited to be throwing to Pope, Martin, Franks and Lee.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

TE needy teams (CAR/CHI/CIN) passing on Pope in the 2nd. How far will the fall continue?

 

[packersfan]

I was just going to post this. No idea what has happened.

This is the sort of player Phi should be looking to trade up for

Packers have three more picks today and could use a TE IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing them snap up Pope.

Yes the 4 TE set is coming back into vogue. Favre is excited to be throwing to Pope, Martin, Franks and Lee.

You're assuming I think much of Franks, Martin or Lee. I do like Franks' blocking ability but I don't think much of the other two.

 

[Spartans Rule]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

do you see (m)any good TEs at 6'8" or taller in the league?

Emeka Okafor, Ben Wallace, Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer.When guys are 6'8, athletic, built like trucks and have soft hands, they usually find out they're better at a different sport. That doesn't necessarily preclude a tall guy with that skill set from being a good TE.

 

[palmersteel]

What is up with Eric Winston? Three teams in pass ten picks have taken a tackle not named Winston. Panthers passed on Winston also.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

do you see (m)any good TEs at 6'8" or taller in the league?

Emeka Okafor, Ben Wallace, Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer.When guys are 6'8, athletic, built like trucks and have soft hands, they usually find out they're better at a different sport. That doesn't necessarily preclude a tall guy with that skill set from being a good TE.

Pope isn't half the athlete those guys are. He can run fast in a straight line, but can't do too much else.

 

[DeCleater]

Now Schefler too.

 

[Spartans Rule]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

do you see (m)any good TEs at 6'8" or taller in the league?

Emeka Okafor, Ben Wallace, Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer.When guys are 6'8, athletic, built like trucks and have soft hands, they usually find out they're better at a different sport. That doesn't necessarily preclude a tall guy with that skill set from being a good TE.

Pope isn't half the athlete those guys are. He can run fast in a straight line, but can't do too much else.

That may very well be true and he could definitely bust. But it won't be because he's too tall.

 

[EBF]

I won't be surprised if Byrd goes before Pope, too.

 

[EBF]

he's stiff, not all that great of an athlete, and may actually be a little too tall. this is a very deep TE class and his stock has been dropping of late.

do you see (m)any good TEs at 6'8" or taller in the league?

Emeka Okafor, Ben Wallace, Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer.When guys are 6'8, athletic, built like trucks and have soft hands, they usually find out they're better at a different sport. That doesn't necessarily preclude a tall guy with that skill set from being a good TE.

Pope isn't half the athlete those guys are. He can run fast in a straight line, but can't do too much else.

That may very well be true and he could definitely bust. But it won't be because he's too tall.

Watch the highlights of him. He's completely immobile.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

from his scouting report

Negatives: Is too tall and lanky and does not get out of his breaks easily. Shows some tightness in his movement. Not a natural bender. At a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage. Not very tough. Takes time to accelerate and build speed. Not very smart. Immature and needs to take the game more seriously. Looked very stiff, struggled to catch the ball and didn't interview well at the Combine.Summary: May never be a great blocker and is not a premier pass catcher. Overrated talent who will likely get drafted higher than he should by a team betting on the come. Still has a lot of maturing to do.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

That may very well be true and he could definitely bust. But it won't be because he's too tall.

I disagree.

 

[JAA]

from his scouting report

Negatives: Is too tall and lanky and does not get out of his breaks easily. Shows some tightness in his movement. Not a natural bender. At a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage. Not very tough. Takes time to accelerate and build speed. Not very smart. Immature and needs to take the game more seriously. Looked very stiff, struggled to catch the ball and didn't interview well at the Combine.Summary: May never be a great blocker and is not a premier pass catcher. Overrated talent who will likely get drafted higher than he should by a team betting on the come. Still has a lot of maturing to do.

feel free to past the pluses

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

from his scouting report

Negatives: Is too tall and lanky and does not get out of his breaks easily. Shows some tightness in his movement. Not a natural bender. At a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage. Not very tough. Takes time to accelerate and build speed. Not very smart. Immature and needs to take the game more seriously. Looked very stiff, struggled to catch the ball and didn't interview well at the Combine.Summary: May never be a great blocker and is not a premier pass catcher. Overrated talent who will likely get drafted higher than he should by a team betting on the come. Still has a lot of maturing to do.

feel free to past the pluses

positives: huge target who had a good game against Auburn. long limbed and can bring in almost anything thrown in his vicinity. Can extend outside his frame and provides an inviting target in 3rd-down situations.

that's about the most tepid set of positives I've ever read about a draft prospect. basically, he's a tall guy with long arms.

 

[MikeyFL]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years.

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

 

[EBF]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years.

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

I think the point is that he's too immobile to be an every-down TE in the NFL. His size might be an asset near the goal line, but it prevents him from making the quick cuts needed to work the middle of the field.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years.

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

Yes because College defenses are so much better than NFL defenses.

 

[Godsbrother]

drafted by the cardinals #72

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

tall guys aren't generally the most fluid of athletes. Pope is very stiff. It also hurts him when he needs to get leverage while trying to block somebody.

sure, he can be a threat in the red zone and on jump balls...but, he won't be that difficult to cover.

 

[MikeyFL]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years. 

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

I think the point is that he's too immobile to be an every-down TE in the NFL. His size might be an asset near the goal line, but it prevents him from making the quick cuts needed to work the middle of the field.

I honestly think the questions concerning Pope center more around his motivation and intelligence. Pope's 40 time and vertical are virtually the same as Antonio Gates's, and he certainly ran plenty of routes down the middle of the field during the Georgia games I witnessed (which were many). It's true that he looks a little stiff at times, but (Tony Gonzalez and Vernon Davis aside) I can't think of any tight ends who aren't somewhat stiff in their movement.Not many have the potential to be the kind of weapon Pope is, however. Jason Allen (the 16th pick overall) nearly killed himself trying to tackle Pope.

 

[JAA]

8 72 Arizona Pope, Leonard TE 6-8 257 Georgia

 

[spec1alk]

This is making leinart look very attractive in dynasty leagues.

I don't see how Leinart can't be a top fantasy QB throwing to bolding and fitz, pope as the TE, and Edge in the backfield.

 

[EBF]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years. 

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

I think the point is that he's too immobile to be an every-down TE in the NFL. His size might be an asset near the goal line, but it prevents him from making the quick cuts needed to work the middle of the field.

I honestly think the questions concerning Pope center more around his motivation and intelligence. Pope's 40 time and vertical are virtually the same as Antonio Gates's, and he certainly ran plenty of routes down the middle of the field during the Georgia games I witnessed (which were many). It's true that he looks a little stiff at times, but (Tony Gonzalez and Vernon Davis aside) I can't think of any tight ends who aren't somewhat stiff in their movement.Not many have the potential to be the kind of weapon Pope is, however. Jason Allen (the 16th pick overall) nearly killed himself trying to tackle Pope.

I know he's fast in a straight line. It's the lateral agility and quickness that worry me.

 

[MikeyFL]

This is making leinart look very attractive in dynasty leagues.

I don't see how Leinart can't be a top fantasy QB throwing to bolding and fitz, pope as the TE, and Edge in the backfield.

As long as he has time to throw and James has somewhere to run...

 

[MikeyFL]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years. 

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

I think the point is that he's too immobile to be an every-down TE in the NFL. His size might be an asset near the goal line, but it prevents him from making the quick cuts needed to work the middle of the field.

I honestly think the questions concerning Pope center more around his motivation and intelligence. Pope's 40 time and vertical are virtually the same as Antonio Gates's, and he certainly ran plenty of routes down the middle of the field during the Georgia games I witnessed (which were many). It's true that he looks a little stiff at times, but (Tony Gonzalez and Vernon Davis aside) I can't think of any tight ends who aren't somewhat stiff in their movement.Not many have the potential to be the kind of weapon Pope is, however. Jason Allen (the 16th pick overall) nearly killed himself trying to tackle Pope.

I know he's fast in a straight line. It's the lateral agility and quickness that worry me.

Those would worry me, also, if he was a linebacker. But he's a tight end.

 

[EBF]

Yes, Pope's height was truly a detriment near the goal line against Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida (2), Kentucky (2), Auburn (2), MIssissippi State, and West Virginia the past two years. 

Often, I found myself thinking... "Gosh, if only Georgia had a shorter tight end."

I think the point is that he's too immobile to be an every-down TE in the NFL. His size might be an asset near the goal line, but it prevents him from making the quick cuts needed to work the middle of the field.

I honestly think the questions concerning Pope center more around his motivation and intelligence. Pope's 40 time and vertical are virtually the same as Antonio Gates's, and he certainly ran plenty of routes down the middle of the field during the Georgia games I witnessed (which were many). It's true that he looks a little stiff at times, but (Tony Gonzalez and Vernon Davis aside) I can't think of any tight ends who aren't somewhat stiff in their movement.Not many have the potential to be the kind of weapon Pope is, however. Jason Allen (the 16th pick overall) nearly killed himself trying to tackle Pope.

I know he's fast in a straight line. It's the lateral agility and quickness that worry me.

Those would worry me, also, if he was a linebacker. But he's a tight end.

Football is football. A certain amount of fluidity is necessary at every position.

 

[Pick]

Pope looking solid in camp.

 

[diesel7982]

Pope looking solid in camp.

His fall was as curious as Jason Witten's a few years ago. A TE who dominated the SEC, and his great size and great hands...He'll be a great pro, and Id wager the 2nd best TE in this draft.

 

[GregR_2]

Pope looking solid in camp.

His fall was as curious as Jason Witten's a few years ago. A TE who dominated the SEC, and his great size and great hands...He'll be a great pro, and Id wager the 2nd best TE in this draft.

To summarize his negatives from Scouts Inc, they said he has problems in blocking against strong defensive players, and that he's not quick enough in and out of his cuts to get separation against NFL defenders. They finished up with:

What makes Pope so intriguing as an NFL prospect are his outstanding speed, athletic ability and pass-catching skills for a tight end with such a big frame. He will need some developmental time early in his career and might not be ready to take over as a fulltime starter right away, but if he develops fully Pope has a chance to become an impact player a few years down the road in the NFL.

Whether they are right or not, don't know. But I figure they've at least looked at all his game film, which I haven't, so it's worth noting.

 

[diesel7982]

Pope looking solid in camp.

His fall was as curious as Jason Witten's a few years ago. A TE who dominated the SEC, and his great size and great hands...He'll be a great pro, and Id wager the 2nd best TE in this draft.

To summarize his negatives from Scouts Inc, they said he has problems in blocking against strong defensive players, and that he's not quick enough in and out of his cuts to get separation against NFL defenders. They finished up with:

What makes Pope so intriguing as an NFL prospect are his outstanding speed, athletic ability and pass-catching skills for a tight end with such a big frame. He will need some developmental time early in his career and might not be ready to take over as a fulltime starter right away, but if he develops fully Pope has a chance to become an impact player a few years down the road in the NFL.

Whether they are right or not, don't know. But I figure they've at least looked at all his game film, which I haven't, so it's worth noting.

Im sure they've broken the film down more than I have, but Ive watched him play nearly every game his participated in in college.I agree that he is slow in his cuts, and his height makes it tough for him to lock down on quick DEs or LBs. But hes a fine blocker once he gets a hold of someone, and hes got great hands and the ability to get downfield, and is excellent at using his massive frame to get to the ball.

Id describe him as a larger Ben Troupe.

 

[Warpig]

Pope looking solid in camp.

His fall was as curious as Jason Witten's a few years ago. A TE who dominated the SEC, and his great size and great hands...He'll be a great pro, and Id wager the 2nd best TE in this draft.

2nd best TE? I'm sure the VD fans on these boards would argue that he's the 3rd best TE.#1 Scheffler

#2 VD

#3 Pope