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An Open Letter of Apology to Myself (1 Viewer)

What do you base this on?
I base this on the fact that no matter what level you are on in the NFL as a player, you stand to be a very wealthy guy. Even practice squad guys are in 6 figures. All of this to play a game in which just about every male in the counrty grows up loving and enjoying just watching and playing for free. Why would anyone really want to ***** about where there were going to be playing a game the love and will be highly compensated for no matter what.I will ignore the rest of your ridiculous post.
 
I base this on the fact that no matter what level you are on in the NFL as a player, you stand to be a very wealthy guy. Even practice squad guys are in 6 figures. All of this to play a game in which just about every male in the counrty grows up loving and enjoying just watching and playing for free. Why would anyone really want to ***** about where there were going to be playing a game the love and will be highly compensated for no matter what.I will ignore the rest of your ridiculous post.
So..you are going on record that professional athletes care more about the game and less about winning and the money?
 
I will ignore the rest of your ridiculous post.
it's not ridiculous....as soon as we all see the ignorance of our ways and say something similar to, "you are right Peckerwood...you are superior to me/us in every way...I/we will now proceed to worship the god that is Eli Manning".
 
So..you are going on record that professional athletes care more about the game and less about winning and the money?
i'm more of a basketball fan so can think of these examples quicker, but I'm sure it atleast partially applies to football....do you think Jordan played his last few years for money.....do you think Ron Artest wouldn't be playing ball on some playground today if he wasn't in the NBA....do recievers go over the middle for the money...does a guy on offense make a tackle after his qb threw a pick because he sees $$$....i don't think so....sure money is part of life but a lot of these guys love/respect the game they play...and some of us "decide" not to cheer for certain players who don't....key word being "decide". what exactly are u looking for....do you actually want to make the decision on who we choose to cheer for? why does it bother you if some of us cheer for certain players you don't or boo certain players you cheer?
 
So..you are going on record that professional athletes care more about the game and less about winning and the money?
I never said that money wasn't important.
you stand to be a very wealthy guy.
will be highly compensated for no matter what
Not once did I bring up winning or loosing, so don't know what the heck you are reading? :wacko:
 
UConn,It doesnt bother me who you root for or root against. I am more interested in the reasoning behind why you root for someone or against them.But hey...I am happy this Manning situation came about. All this time, I thought professional athletes were only in it for themselves. As it turns out, I now know that players will put what is in their BEST INTERESTS aside and put their love of the game at the forefront when making decisions. :rolleyes:

 
I never said that money wasn't important.Not once did I bring up winning or loosing, so don't know what the heck you are reading? :wacko:
where did I say you said money wasnt important?i simply said they put the love of the game ahead of the money. sort of like when college football players put the love of the game ahead of the money and go to the pros....for the love of the game. ;)
 
Any Manning Haters want to step up and confess that you were wrong about stating that San Diego has lost all its leverage in trade negotiations?There was more than one of you out there before the draft. Feel free to confess your sins before your father.
Hi PW,I'm far from a Manning hater but I certainly thought SD hurt their leverage leaking the info. I still do.I think they're lucky it worked out the way it did. I don't see any scenario where leaking the info could have helped their position. Sometimes, but not often, you can make mistakes and it still works out. I think this was one of those times.J
 
Peckerwood, If Eli is as great as you protest and good enough to be able to decide where and when he plays in this league. Then why does he not be real competitor and just play for the worst team in the league last year. Be the guy who can go in there and turn things around dispite all of the terrible history. Be a real difference maker. What is he so scared of? What ever happend to taking pride in turning things around?

 
UConn,It doesnt bother me who you root for or root against. I am more interested in the reasoning behind why you root for someone or against them.But hey...I am happy this Manning situation came about. All this time, I thought professional athletes were only in it for themselves. As it turns out, I now know that players will put what is in their BEST INTERESTS aside and put their love of the game at the forefront when making decisions. :rolleyes:
i understand....i just think your taking a pretty extreme lean on this issue and am suprised your suprised more don't agree w/ you....as far as players loving the game....i played ball as a kid, in hs, in college....i wasn't doing it for money....never made a dime....why do you think as soon as a guy gets into the pro's he loses his "love" for the game....they just become adults....money is important to all adults....fact is a lot of guys playing ball professionally really care about their sport though.
 
UConn,It doesnt bother me who you root for or root against. I am more interested in the reasoning behind why you root for someone or against them.But hey...I am happy this Manning situation came about. All this time, I thought professional athletes were only in it for themselves. As it turns out, I now know that players will put what is in their BEST INTERESTS aside and put their love of the game at the forefront when making decisions. :rolleyes:
i understand....i just think your taking a pretty extreme lean on this issue and am suprised your suprised more don't agree w/ you....as far as players loving the game....i played ball as a kid, in hs, in college....i wasn't doing it for money....never made a dime....why do you think as soon as a guy gets into the pro's he loses his "love" for the game....they just become adults....money is important to all adults....fact is a lot of guys playing ball professionally really care about their sport though.
 
I didnt say they lose their love for the game. I simply contended that for years I have heard fans everywhere complain that athletes care more about the money than their love of the game.Or was I dreaming all these years?

 
Peckerwood, If Eli is as great as you protest and good enough to be able to decide where and when he plays in this league. Then why does he not be real competitor and just play for the worst team in the league last year. Be the guy who can go in there and turn things around dispite all of the terrible history. Be a real difference maker. What is he so scared of? What ever happend to taking pride in turning things around?
Eli seems to lack the toughness and the confidence IMO. he is letting daddy make or at least highly influence his decisions. He needs to be his own man. These qualities need to be 100% turned around if he wants to succeed in New York. Be careful what you wish for Mannings - Elisha is too much of a ##### to handle all this IMO. It wasnt just the bucking the system that got me about this kid - just all they hype surrounding him seemed overdone and he turns out to be some brat whose leverage in the situation is derived from his name and wealth of his family. I disagee with JOhn Elway doing this and he is among my hated athlete list (Kobe, Elway, Lindros, Eli) - but at least the leverage Elway had was earned - he had baseball talent and could pursure that on his own.(side note: what happened in the Bo Jackson situation?? Did he legitimately want to go play baseball or was it something like this - TB drafted him and he sat out . . .)
 
Peckerwood, If Eli is as great as you protest and good enough to be able to decide where and when he plays in this league. Then why does he not be real competitor and just play for the worst team in the league last year. Be the guy who can go in there and turn things around dispite all of the terrible history. Be a real difference maker. What is he so scared of? What ever happend to taking pride in turning things around?
So only the real competitors play for the worst teams in the league?Maybe Eli cares more about winning than turning around a team that has 21 other starters. It is a team game.Maybe Eli cares more about going to a team that has a system that matches his skill set and thus setting himself up for success...not failure.Maybe San Diego doesnt deserve a player like Eli Manning.Why do you place a higher value on just simply sucking it up and going to play for San Diego than going to any other team? Why do you think he should just suck it up and be a 'REAL COMPETITOR' and play for San Diego and take on the challenge?
 
bo jackson and john elway did this and most people like them. as a bucs fan i hate bo jackson guts, but that's just my homerism in play. basically my point is people will forget about this if eli has a great career, but will remember it well if he sucks

 
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Eli seems to lack the toughness and the confidence IMO. he is letting daddy make or at least highly influence his decisions. He needs to be his own man. These qualities need to be 100% turned around if he wants to succeed in New York. Be careful what you wish for Mannings - Elisha is too much of a ##### to handle all this IMO. It wasnt just the bucking the system that got me about this kid - just all they hype surrounding him seemed overdone and he turns out to be some brat whose leverage in the situation is derived from his name and wealth of his family. I disagee with JOhn Elway doing this and he is among my hated athlete list (Kobe, Elway, Lindros, Eli) - but at least the leverage Elway had was earned - he had baseball talent and could pursure that on his own.(side note: what happened in the Bo Jackson situation?? Did he legitimately want to go play baseball or was it something like this - TB drafted him and he sat out . . .)
What leverage did Manning have that he didnt earn?Clearly...you dont think he is that skilled of a player. So, obviously, his talent didnt bring about his leverage. You think it is his name? Again...how can a name provide a kid with leverage. You only get leverage if you have the skills...nothing else.Manning didnt really have any leverage if you really look at your arguments. Instead, the teams assigned him some mythical leverage and he called their bluff in a high stakes game of poker. YOU ONLY HAVE LEVERAGE IF YOU ARE AN ELITE PLAYER OR IF TEAMS THINK YOU ARE AN ELITE PLAYER. THAT IS IT!
 
bo jackson and john elway did this and most people like them. as a bucs fan i hate bo jackson guts, but that's just my homerism in play. basically my point is people will forget about this if eli has a great career, but will remember it well if he sucks
True, most people will forgive, but Elway never lived this down. Whenever serious discussions come up regarding Elway, this is always mentioned as a black eye on his career. I'm not familiar enough with the Bo Jackson situation to remember if he stayed out because of the Bucs, or because of baseball.What was the deal with Raghib Ismail? Did he just decide to play in Canada before the NFL draft?
 
So only the real competitors play for the worst teams in the league?Why do you place a higher value on just simply sucking it up and going to play for San Diego than going to any other team? Why do you think he should just suck it up and be a 'REAL COMPETITOR' and play for San Diego and take on the challenge?
So basically like his entire life untill now, he has to be given very thing on a silver plater in order to be successfull. I guess this is Eli's world and the rest of us should just get out of his way huh :rolleyes: .
Maybe Eli cares more about winning than turning around a team that has 21 other starters. It is a team game.
so basically he doesn't fell he is good enough to turn around a strugling team.
Maybe Eli cares more about going to a team that has a system that matches his skill set and thus setting himself up for success...not failure.
so I guess he isn't up to the challenge to actually have to earn his multi milion dollar contract and learn and prosper in a system that isn't IDEAL for him.
Maybe San Diego doesnt deserve a player like Eli Manning.
Maybe Eli doesn't deserve to play in a league as great as the NFL.Sounds like just the type of guy I want on my team. :thumbdown:
 
So basically like his entire life untill now, he has to be given very thing on a silver plater in order to be successfull. I guess this is Eli's world and the rest of us should just get out of his way huh :rolleyes: .so basically he doesn't fell he is good enough to turn around a strugling team.so I guess he isn't up to the challenge to actually have to earn his multi milion dollar contract and learn and prosper in a system that isn't IDEAL for him.Maybe Eli doesn't deserve to play in a league as great as the NFL.Sounds like just the type of guy I want on my team. :thumbdown:
Do you always read into comments, what you want to hear?How were his skills given to him on a silver platter? Look, several teams thought highly of him. You dont have skills that would deem you worthy of a top pick handed to you. You have to have them..you have to earn them.Maybe he does think he has the skills to turn the team around. Maybe he thinks that the current system isnt a match for his skillset, thus he would be incapable of turning things around.LaDainian Tomlinson is the best or arguably the best running back in the league. How is that working out for him. Were they above .500 last year?Maybe he doesnt want to be a part of turning a team around. Why do you place some higer value and romanticization on turning a team around? I would rather win games.Your up to the challenge comment is equally absurd. So, only players who sign with crappy teams are up for the challenge? Obviously, the Giants think he is up to the challenge. Not only are they gonna pay him millions but they gave up picks as well.If Eli didnt deserve to play in the NFL...he wouldnt have been drafted. Dont let little facts like those get in the way of your emotionally held opinion.
 
i was a kid when it happened, but i'm pretty sure he just didn't want to play for the bucs (went to the draft the next year). the bucs back then makes today chargers look like a superbowl team, but he should've told the bucs not to draft him.someone correct me if i'm wrong w/ any of this. :brush:

 
CamperguyYes...the rules state that the Chargers get to make the first pick and choose who they want. The rules do not say that the Chargers get to force that guy to sign and play for them.You dont honestly believe that he was in a WIN WIN situation this whole time, do you? You do recognize that Manning was taking a lot of risk as well, dont you?

 
Do you always read into comments, what you want to hear?How were his skills given to him on a silver platter? Look, several teams thought highly of him. You dont have skills that would deem you worthy of a top pick handed to you. You have to have them..you have to earn them.Maybe he does think he has the skills to turn the team around. Maybe he thinks that the current system isnt a match for his skillset, thus he would be incapable of turning things around.LaDainian Tomlinson is the best or arguably the best running back in the league. How is that working out for him. Were they above .500 last year?Maybe he doesnt want to be a part of turning a team around. Why do you place some higer value and romanticization on turning a team around? I would rather win games.Your up to the challenge comment is equally absurd. So, only players who sign with crappy teams are up for the challenge? Obviously, the Giants think he is up to the challenge. Not only are they gonna pay him millions but they gave up picks as well.If Eli didnt deserve to play in the NFL...he wouldnt have been drafted. Dont let little facts like those get in the way of your emotionally held opinion.
I am in complete agreement that his skills are warrented and earned. He is clearly very tallented. However:Why do you feel the need to defend what he did so much. Again, this response you gave gives the impression that he is a selfish and above the law player. This ussumption that he should get to choose the system he playes in is crazy, what about the other 10 guys on the field, do they get a vote or is this a dictatorship with Eli in charge? Since when is he supposed to get to choose weather or not he is on a team that has to turn things around or a Superbowl Champ.? SD had the 1st pick, he knew darn well that they were going to take what they saw as the best player in the draft. Why apply for it if you don't want to be taken there? What you are suggesting in that he and every other player be able to choose which teams they play for is rediculous. That is how were got MLB in such a mess. Weather you want to believe it or not , the draft is still one of the greatest tools used by teams to get better and it is only fair that SD should be able to take what is the best player to them. This is not fair to SD, not the Mannings. Now they were lucky in that the Giants overpaid for him afterwards. If not they would be screwed right now.
 
Bottom line is the Mannings need to follow the rules like everyone else.......
Mannings didn't break any rules. They used the leverage they had (personal wealth, name value, ability to sit out if need be without disastrous results) to manipulate the system for their benefit. Again, I don't blame them, if getting their desired result took precedence for them over winning in the court of public opinion. They didn't break the rules, they simply bent them in a way only a child of privilege could.Eli's not a cheater. Just an ###hole. And I don't think he should be accused of any impropriety, merely that he should be universally hated and have to go his entire life as an object of ridicule and scorn. :thumbup:
 
Hi PW,I'm far from a Manning hater but I certainly thought SD hurt their leverage leaking the info. I still do.I think they're lucky it worked out the way it did. I don't see any scenario where leaking the info could have helped their position. Sometimes, but not often, you can make mistakes and it still works out. I think this was one of those times.J
It hurt their leverage with the Giants. But if they felt the Giants weren't going to trade with them, it could have created leverage with the Browns by creating a new market for the #1 pick. With the info out there, the SD fans would accept the Chargers picking Gallery. Leaking the info could have been an attempt to make the Browns feel they had to trade with San Diego instead of Oakland to be sure they got Gallery.That was my feeling going into it, for why they probably did it. But then everyone and their brother was saying that SD would pick Manning anyway, so that killed any leverage they would have gained with Cleveland, so maybe not.Frankly though, even if it hurt their cause in the short term, I'm glad the Chargers leaked the info. I think Eli has every right to go to a team and ask them not to draft him... and I think it's fitting he reap every consequence of fans being turned off by his doing so. Had the Chargers kept it mum, Eli would have been free and clear to do what he did without anyone knowing, and with no consequence. I think Eli had the right to do what he did, but I also thought those commercials for NFL draft day hats were just pathetic, and I hope the NFL is regretting having included him in them, and I hope other companies have that reaction too. I think it would be fitting if his Q rating drops as a result of his decision, and that his endorsements suffer. I'm not so naieve to think he won't make plenty of money, but I'd love to see the results send a message to other rookies thinking about doing that.
 
Mannings didn't break any rules. They used the leverage they had (personal wealth, name value, ability to sit out if need be without disastrous results) to manipulate the system for their benefit. Again, I don't blame them, if getting their desired result took precedence for them over winning in the court of public opinion. They didn't break the rules, they simply bent them in a way only a child of privilege could.Eli's not a cheater. Just an ###hole. And I don't think he should be accused of any impropriety, merely that he should be universally hated and have to go his entire life as an object of ridicule and scorn. :thumbup:
Exactly where I am coming from!!
 
Mannings didn't break any rules. They used the leverage they had (personal wealth, name value, ability to sit out if need be without disastrous results) to manipulate the system for their benefit. Again, I don't blame them, if getting their desired result took precedence for them over winning in the court of public opinion. They didn't break the rules, they simply bent them in a way only a child of privilege could.Eli's not a cheater. Just an ###hole. And I don't think he should be accused of any impropriety, merely that he should be universally hated and have to go his entire life as an object of ridicule and scorn. :thumbup:
Without disastrous results?Maybe the Mannings are a bunch of socialists and Big Bro was gonna by his Lil Bro a mansion if he sat out. I doubt it.I am sure Eli had his heart set on wanting to take care of himself and start his own life and so forth.Losing millions of dollars in a signing bonus, losing a year of development and going back into the draft the next year without a a guarantee of the number one pick the following year and a further loss in potential salary would be pretty disastrous relatively speaking.Considering that many of the people who make up the court of public opinion probably arent very intelligent...I think he will live.I dont understand why you guys seem to think that only Eli Manning could bend the rules. Every number one pick before him could or has done the same thing.
 
So only the real competitors play for the worst teams in the league?Maybe Eli cares more about winning than turning around a team that has 21 other starters. It is a team game.Maybe Eli cares more about going to a team that has a system that matches his skill set and thus setting himself up for success...not failure.Maybe San Diego doesnt deserve a player like Eli Manning.Why do you place a higher value on just simply sucking it up and going to play for San Diego than going to any other team? Why do you think he should just suck it up and be a 'REAL COMPETITOR' and play for San Diego and take on the challenge?
Maybe Eli is all about Eli. Why shouldn't Eli suck it up and play for a team that was the worse in the NFL last year? The Panthers were the worse team three years ago with a 1-15 record. The next year they won 7 games. The next year they went to the super bowl. Isn't the purpose of the draft to draft the best players that will help your team be a contender? Yesterday Rivers was talking about playing for a team that has exactly five winning seasons in the last 2 decades, and he said, "if you can get there and contribute and get a team going, it's even that much more fulfilling", versus "if you were at a place that just won the super bowl or has been winning all along." He said "I love to play and I love to be part of a team." Those are words of an athlete who has a great passion for the game.
 
They didn't break the rules, they simply bent them in a way only a child of privilege could.
Hi VD,I gotta disagree here. He did what he did because he earned the consensus #1 pick ranking. "Privilege" had nothing to do with it. Any player in that #1 slot with that kind of demand could have done the exact same thing. He held a little bit of leverage because he was the #1 pick. The only thing his family had to do with it is that NFL GM's had his bloodline as one more mark in the positive column. Granted, he grew up in the optimal situation for developing into an NFL QB. But on Saturday, that was all past. I think the only thing having Peyton for a brother and Archie for a father did at this point was give the GMs one more reason to believe Eli could do it.I know personally it would carry a lot of weight with me. In a guessing game like the NFL Draft, bloodlines are no small thing.The "silver platter" whines really do get sort of lame. In my opinion, saying this guy got picked because of his dad / brother is about the same as saying this guy got picked because of the color of his skin. I don't think it matters. NFL GMs aren't stupid. They'll pick the guy who they think will give them the best chance of winning. Period.At least that's my view of it.J
 
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Through all of this, Eli Manning could've won me over with one thing. I really don't care about him not wanting to play for the Chargers, I think it's kind of ballsy to actually come out and say it. Once Tags announced his name as the Chargers draft pick, he should've stood tall, walked to the podium and showed some confidence that he had control of the situation. Instead, it looked like he was holding back tears...and pouting. He came across as looking very childish IMO and although his talent is undeniable, he doesn't look to me like a guy that will hold up under the New York media.

 
snip although his talent is undeniable, he doesn't look to me like a guy that will hold up under the New York media.
Hi Cracker,I think is a very good point. I'm interested to see how he does in that light. Following Archie at Ole Miss was tough but it was on "friendly" turf. New York will be different. Peyton always has struck me as the more mentally tough one. And his situation in Indy was ultra low pressure compared to what Eli's gotten into.Should be very interesting.J
 
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I had no opinion of manning before the draft but I now hate him. I hope he falls on his face.
I have to agree here. Kinda takes the sheen off the Manning luster. To get some perspective on this, think about the tribute prior to the start of the draft. Tillman exemplified what it is all about. A guy who resigned with a crap organization like the Cardinals, even when he had a high dollar offer from the superbowl winning and contending Rams.What Manning did isn't against the rules, and he didn't break any laws. He did piss all over the system by his actions.Look at Elway. There is a reason that people don't like the #####, beyond his smug, self-satisfied little smirk he always wears.
 
Hi VD,

I gotta disagree here. He did what he did because he earned the consensus #1 pick ranking. "Privilege" had nothing to do with it. Any player in that #1 slot with that kind of demand could have done the exact same thing.
And I've got to disagree with your disagreement.Any player who earned the #1 through his play could attempt to manipulate the system in exactly the same way, but any player who did so would be operating from a position of zero leverage, unless he had the means to make his threat to hold out a reality.

Elway and Bo had baseball, so they were able to get what they wanted. Eli has family wealth, so his holdout threat was also legit. Anybody coming from middle-class-or-below, or without another pro-sport prospect could sing to the heavens that he's willing to sit out a year, but that gives them no leverage, because the team he would be dealing with would know it was complete bull####. The Chargers (or whoever) would know that Joe Sixpack Jr. wasn't about to sit out a year and miss a chance at an 8-digit payday, when the alternative was entering the workaday job market. Any other player pulls the same stunt, and you're looking at a standoff at best, and more likely, this scenario never comes up in the first place, because the player knows damn good and well which side his bread is buttered on.

Eli did have the leverage to cry "I'll sit out," and the team had to take him seriously, specifically because they knew he had the wherewithal to make a go of it. His threat was not hollow, and this was because -- and ONLY because -- he was a child of privilege.

And again, not that he was beyond his rights as a person entering the job market to do exactly what he did. But he was using his societal position to buck the system for his own ends, and since this particular system is set up for the entertainment of the drunk and screaming masses, there shouldn't be any surprise that we drunk and screaming masses are going to go ahead and call him a #### for doing it.

 
Instead, it looked like he was holding back tears...and pouting. He came across as looking very childish IMO and although his talent is undeniable, he doesn't look to me like a guy that will hold up under the New York media.
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder then, because I thought he just looked a little disappointed, but did a good job of hiding what he was really thinking.
 
Before the draft, many of you emotional wrecks overwhelmed by envy, jealousy and petty bitterness were lampooning the Mannings for leaking their misgivings about going to San Diego as well as the harm they had done to San Diego's theoretical leverage in negotiations with other teams.You guys were foaming at the mouth, rabid with anger and resentment. Over and over and over I heard nothing but, this is gonna harm San Diego's leverage. This is gonna hurt their chances of getting a trade done. They wont be able to get fair value and will have to settle for less, blah blah blah, yada yada yada.Nevermind the fact that it was San Diego itself who leaked the info.Nothing but horror stories were given based on theoreticals that EVERY single prospect was gonna hold out and demand which team they played for. The NFL as we knew it and the draft we all enjoy was near extinction.Take this gem by diesel7982:I hate to single out one guy, because he wasnt alone. But here is my response:And...since the draft started...the Giants traded up for Manning and many suggest they even OVERPAID. Go figure.The lesson here is...before you let vitriolic response full of emotion, jealously, envy, bitterness and contempt grab hold of you, analyze the information logically.
Nice to see you're able to view it in such a rational light, while everyone else let their emotions get the best of them. :rolleyes: The Mannings tried to strong-arm their way to the team they wanted. This is a pretty rare event, as only a couple of guys have done this (that we know of, anyway). The vast majority of NFL players would be thrilled to be the #1 overall pick, and they all play for the team that selects them, pays their dues and moves on after 3-4 years if they so choose. John Elway was a famous example of strong-arming his way away from a specific team, and he earned a lot of "haters" in response to his arrogance, but he fought through the negativity and proved himself anyway. Kudos to the Chargers for not blinking, and making the best of a bad situation. That organization has earned a little more respect after this, in my book.
 
maybe i'm missing something here, but anwser me this, why is it so much better to play for sgt. coughlin rather than sgt. schottenheimer? neither of these coaches are offensive minded.

 
Oh, and hi. :cool:
Hi VD, ;) We'll just have to disagree there then.

He did did what he did and was able to do so because of one reason - NFL GMs were impressed with Eli, not his family or his privilege, enough to make him the most sought after player in the draft. When you're that guy, and you have a high powered guy like Tom Condon doing your bidding, you have leverage.

Sure, Manning is more financially secure and able to withstand a sit out better than some other players, but that was always a remote scenario. I don't know many who ever gave it any serious consideration.

There will always be the Silver Spoon in the Mouth detractors. Just like Peyton dealt with in Indy and before that, here in Knoxville. Many said the only reason he got the job at UT was because of his Dad. Lots of folks felt the other young freshman, Brandon Stewart was the better QB. Stewart and his dad cried silver spoon all the way to Texas A&M where he transferred (and floundered) He's dealt with that his entire life and I doubt it'll change now.

J

 
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In his interview he could have won me over simply by using I , as in I think , I want what`s best for me. He kept using we and it was driving me nuts. He should at least sack up and sell it like it was his idea. He looked weak and indecisive in the interviews I saw and truly looked like a deer in the headlights. The New York press will eat this guy alive. Especially if things go crappy real fast. It only took Yankees fans about a week to start booing Arod. Hopefully Eli Manning`s made of sterner stuff than he showed on the weekend.

 
Eli Manning certainly didn't gain any fans yesterday. He is not a man (term used very loosely) who's ready for the rigors of playing QB in the NFL and I look forward to watching his struggles.I'm sure LaVar Arrington is salivating at the prospect causing pain to daddys little putz.
This is as far as I need to read in this thread, as I completely agree with This is as far as I need to read in this thread, as I completely agree with cracKer. Before last week I could have given a rat's ### about Eli Manning. Now I'm looking forward to seeing him fail.:fingerscrossed:
 
1. Not a Giants fan. In fact, I'm a pretty big Kerry Collins fan.2. Whenever I see someone being, in my opinion, unfairly criticized, I tend to take the other side. That's just me. In this case, the amount of lambasting that this kid has received is just absurd. The number of people that know exactly what went on between the Chargers, the agent, and the Manning family is probably quite low. Everyone seems to be assuming that this is a case of a spoiled rich kid holding his breath until he gets what he wants. That scenario is certainly possible.However, I think it's also likely that the scenario is quite different. I've seen too many top prospects go into horrible situations in the NFL and struggle, especially QBs. The right organization can make the diffence between a HOF QB and a career journeyman. I think this kid might have just gone to his father and said, "San Diego just isn't where I want to be..", or his father says "San Diego is not where I want you to be...". I can understand a little criticism for making that kind of decision, but not too much. The kid's got the leverage, and the right to be happy with his professionsl situation. Maybe they talked about it, and decided that its probably in the Chargers best interest if they know that BEFORE they draft him, which I agree with.So they go to the Chargers and let them know that they should try to trade the pick. The Chargers can ignore it, and take him anyway. They can make the trade, or they can do an (IMHO) the total wrong thing and leak it to the press. That's the chicken #### way out I think.Again, I could be completely wrong about the way this played out. But I also understand that just about 99.9% of the people's opinions on this matter are as UNINFORMED about the details as I am. And unless I know the details, I'm going to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. 3. Generally, I think Eli is a good kid from what I've seen and read. The father may be a different story.I wish him success
I'll go with Joffer on this one. I generally disagree with the crap getting thrown at this kid and dislike people who are so quick to jump on the hate bandwagon.Seems to me that SD is guilty of the only poor conduct by releasing the information. Makes me think that the Mannings probably had good reason to want Eli to play elsewhere.
 
I forgot. They are professionals. They only play 100% against the players they really dont like.
T.O.?Anyway... The funniest thing that could happen would be Manning stinks up the first few games he plays and is benched in favor of Bachelor Boy, who promptly turns the team around and leads them into the playoffss. Eli spends his career as a backup.
 
I have to agree with Cracker and Joe. I think the Chargers were handed a giant gift by Ernie Accorsi, who seemed on an almost religious mission to acquire his "franchise" guy to both leave his legacy with the Giants after he retires next season and to exercise the demons of John Elway's debacle with the Colts. To me, and this is probably better served in another thread, Accorsi and the Giants brass erred in one significant way. They are overvaluing the current state of the team. It's been said several times in the last few days in the NY media that the Giants weren't giving up that much because they think their first round pick next year will be a very low one; that the Giants are already a playoff caliber team.That's where I disagree and when the dust settles, the Giants are going to be one year older (it's an aging veteran team, Manning aside) without their top pick to help rebuild next season. Also, giving up a 3rd this year hurts more than a typical year because this draft was considered one of the deepest in recent memory. If Accorsi is worth his salt as a draftnik, he just gave up three starters, including a top five caliber player (potentially two), lost a steady veteran QB from the lineup and replaced them all with a rookie QB with a giant red bullseye on his back.

 
Getting off the subject a bit. Doesn't it seem funny that Eli refuses to play for a team because they lack a commitment to winning. And the very fact that they have to trade him leads them to get much more value out of him than if he had played for them. He will need a Hall of Fame career to compete with the four guys that will eventually be his trade counterparts. So far he is dead even with Rivers and the Chargers have a kicker to boot.(Sorry, couldn't stop myself.)As for New York, they have given up way too much to recover from here. They have a swiss cheese defense at this point. They are stuck with Tike Fumbles a running back. Outside of the prospect that Eli will have Shockey to throw to there isn't much promise in this for anyone. Well, I guess people will enjoy hating the living daylights out of those two guys.When it is all said and done, the Chargers get the QB they wanted in the first place. Then they get another pick this year. Kicker. :rolleyes: And next year I will go out on a limb and say they will have two top ten draft picks. Oh, and BTW, they still have a running back going first in probably over 50% of the redraft leagues throughout the country. Who knows, they might even pull a sleeper pick out of that fifth round pick next year.Now, if you hate the Mannings, you will finally have something to laugh at them about. As a Giants fan that lives in Indy. I feel smothered.

 
From your response though it seems that you justify his action simply because you don't like AJ. I can understand that.
BINGO!'We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!'My point in all this was that the SD organization was under fire here, and Eli decided he'd rather not play for these guys....AJ Smith came out of this smelling like a rose, using Ernie Accorsci as 'Miracle Grow'...Smith takes coversations held in confidence to the public way too often...I would have looked for other options too, had I the where-with-all to do so...this is not how I'd want to enter business my future employer...others have chosen the same route:-Elway decided not to go to the Colts, based on his father's dealings with GM Kush and the Irrsay reputation (living in Baltimore at the time, I could hardly blame Elway...but I was in the minority then, also)-Stevie 'Franchise' said he-ll to Vancover, who then shipped him to Houston-JD Drew blew off PhillyI'm not saying these guys are saints...I applaude their taking a standIf a player is drafted by an organization, who deals in a way San Diego did, and exercises his right to not play for said organization and therefore give up MILLIONS by not playing......I think the organization needs to take at look at how business is conducted, rather than dump on the player for making a choice to not be part of something he doesn't aggree withBTW: note to AJ...nice job drafting a K with the pick from the Giants! This kind of front office work will have you looking @ #1 overall for quite awhile!
 
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I'm not really understanding the "big leak" here. Archie Manning said that he did not want his son playing for the Chargers, and he wanted he to play for the Giants, before the Chargers ever said anything. Also Eli told the Chargers he didn't want to play for them and would sit out if chosen, before the Chargers said anything. His decision was made before any "leak". So how exactly does the "leak" result in him not wanting to play there? The decision was already made, plus his father had already been spreading the news that he wanted his son in NY. Also if the Chargers were quiet and didn't draft Eli, many would have criticized them, when infact it was because Eli didn't want to go there. I don't see any wrong doing by the Chargers, only a little Premadonna trying to play hardball with the big dogs.

 
I'm not really understanding the "big leak" here. Archie Manning said that he did not want his son playing for the Chargers, and he wanted he to play for the Giants, before the Chargers ever said anything. Also Eli told the Chargers he didn't want to play for them and would sit out if chosen, before the Chargers said anything. His decision was made before any "leak". So how exactly does the "leak" result in him not wanting to play there? The decision was already made, plus his father had already been spreading the news that he wanted his son in NY. Also if the Chargers were quiet and didn't draft Eli, many would have criticized them, when infact it was because Eli didn't want to go there. I don't see any wrong doing by the Chargers, only a little Premadonna trying to play hardball with the big dogs.
what Archie Manning said was 'his son didn't want to play for SD'Archie was asked on ESPN radio about this, AFTER the Chargers said the old man called them and told them about Eli's wishes...the Mannings were letting SD know they'd 'rather see the pick traded'...not to NY or any other team...because they were not comfortable w/SD front officethe same front office that faxed the 30 other NFL teams about NYG's inquiry about the #1 selection...when these types of conversations are 'gentlemen type' aggrements to keep it amongst themselvesif the media gets ahold of said conversation somehow, at least there is 'plausible deniability'---this doesn't exist when the other GM FAXES all other teams about the chat they just hadyou don't see a problem with doing business this way?
 

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