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And Martz is back to form (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Actually the lead against them was never by very much. Abonding the run the way they did wasn't neccessary, but with that being said, Mad Mike Martz is the OC, so what can you say?
morris4903
Footballguy
To expand on this, after their first two quick touchdowns, the offense did nothing for two quarters. Which lead to NE dominating the time of possession and taking a 27-14 lead in the 4th. Which lead to Martz abandoning the run.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
New England at one point had something like 22 minutes vs. 4 minutes in terms of TOP and San Francisco was already trailing. SF couldn't really stop New England at that point and I don't think that running Gore 5-8 times more would've done anything points wise except wind down the clock even when SF really needed to preserve time.
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Max Power
Footballguy
And this is where Martz's playcalling fails the team. Now the D has to go back out on the field after a quick 3 and out. Same crap we saw in Detroit.
What do you call that offense in Detroit now.....I call it HORRIBLE! Marz would def. be an upgrade in Detroit
Tecmo
Footballguy
I think you're right with Martz being Martz. SF gets the ball in the second half and they're throwing... JT throws an INT. NE makes the score 24-14. SF continues to throw... results in 3 n out. NE puts together another good drive and tacks on a FG. At this point, I felt the SF defense was tired. Martz deserves some critism with JT throwing so much, the guy continues to throw INTs and fumble. I felt JT was scrambling for his life out there today, he's not getting time to stand in the pocket enough. There's serious problems stopping the rush in SF and Martz playcalling isn't helping at all. SF fans need to call for more Gore!
When your defense has been on the field a lot and is getting tired, running the ball a bunch isn't what's needed. What's needed is to get some first downs.You can go 3-and-out just as quickly running as passing, and both result in the defense being right back out on the field.
Tecmo
Footballguy
yes, first downs are needed. But when your QB leads the NFL is sacks and turnovers, maybe passing so much isn't such a good idea. The point of the thread is Martz reverting back to his old ways
Martz has COMPLETE control over the offense, so the title of the tread is justified.
His "old ways" generated terrific offensive production, even in Detroit. Who cares if he achieves those results by throwing the ball a ton.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm guessing Gore owners care quite a bit.
CalBear
Footballguy
When your RB is one of the top 10, maybe top 5, maybe top 3 NFL RBs in the league, and your QB is one of the bottom 5 starters, you will go 3-and-out a lot less quickly running than passing, on average.
CalBear
Footballguy
Detroit ranked #21 and #16 in points, and #22 and #19 in yardage while Martz was there. That's below-average production, despite having a decent QB, a good RB, and a very good receiving corps.
Show me the ranks the year before he arrived in Detroit.You can argue the semantics of the term "terrific", but the bottom line is the Lions' offense improved both years he was there.
I seem to recall that Martz did OK utilizing Marshall Faulk.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
1st Quarter; 5 Gore Rushes:SFO 7-0TIE 7-7SFO 14-72nd Quarter; 4 Gore Rushes:SFO 14-10TIE 14-143rd Quarter; ZERO Gore Rushes:NEP 21-144th Quarter; 3 Gore Rushes:NEP 24-14 (14:53)NEP 24-21 (10:22)NEP 31-21 (4:42)So let me get this straight. San Fran was as much as ahead by 7, tied, or down by 7 for the first three quarters, and only down by 3 with 10:22 to go, and they only gave Frank Gore, one of the premier RBs in the NFL, 12 rushing attempts the whole game.Against a team that was absolutely embarrassed by the once lowly Dolphins in their last game?
Umm...OK...
Umm...OK...
-baller
Footballguy
people like to ##### about martz, but how's detroit lookin' now?
gore got the ball plenty, they just didn't get the chance to run all that many plays.
because of a ####ty punt their first td was only 4 plays and a 30 yd drive finished off by a 16 yd PASS (to gore), the second was again only 4 plays, helped greatly by a 38 yard PASS play, and their 3rd td, and most successful drive of the day, was almost entirely passing, and aided by a 30 pass interference.
after that they got the ball back, down by 9 w/4:42 to play in the game --- how much running should they have done?
pats probably held the ball 2:1 in top in the second half, while san fran was down by 2 scores almost the entire time.
gore got the ball plenty, they just didn't get the chance to run all that many plays.
because of a ####ty punt their first td was only 4 plays and a 30 yd drive finished off by a 16 yd PASS (to gore), the second was again only 4 plays, helped greatly by a 38 yard PASS play, and their 3rd td, and most successful drive of the day, was almost entirely passing, and aided by a 30 pass interference.
after that they got the ball back, down by 9 w/4:42 to play in the game --- how much running should they have done?
pats probably held the ball 2:1 in top in the second half, while san fran was down by 2 scores almost the entire time.
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-baller
Footballguy
it does?gore plays defense in your fantasy story?dude, give it a rest.this is the #####iest forum I have ever seen.
-baller
Footballguy
the problem w/that is tatum would have moved the sticks to his g/f's apt.
Uber
Footballguy
lol
Because Detroit's so awesome this year without him.
The 49ers defense is having a hard time getting off the field. New England had a stretch in the middle of the game where they went 13 plays and 40 yards for a score. The 49ers punted after a 3 and out of all run plays. Then New England went 12 plays and 80 yards for a score to end the first half, and started the second half with 13 plays and a punt that pinned the 49ers deep.I would think people interested in the 49ers (i.e. Gore owners) should just be happy Martz has drastically improved the offense although all they brought in for talent in the offseason was a bunch of castoffs from other teams. I'm sure Martz would prefer Max Power just said thank you and went on his way.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
The Patriots were utterly dominating the TOP...
The 49ers really had little choice in terms of being able to run the ball because their defense just could not stop the Patriots on the drives that they had to. Even if the 49ers ran the ball and got more balance running the ball, they needed the time on the clock to score quickly through the air and give themselves a chance to stop the Patriots quickly.
The Patriots in their final 7 drives (excluding the kneel down) had 2 TD, 3 FG, and 2 punts. One of those punts came after the Patriots killed 6:23 off the clock. They already had a drive of 6:16 before that punt and would follow the punt with a 5:40 drive for a FG. The 49ers had 1 TD, 2 INT, and 3 punts.
The 49ers had a 4:31 drive to start off the 4th quarter and suddenly found themselves with only 4:42 left in the game after the Patriots went on that 5:40 drive. At that point, they were down 30-21 and couldn't afford to have another drive where they killed 3-4 minutes.
Also keep in mind that the 49ers had the ball twice in the 3rd quarter, for only 2:49 in part due to an INT on their first drive but the Patriots would not give the 49ers any time to put up a lengthy drive at all.
The 49ers really had little choice in terms of being able to run the ball because their defense just could not stop the Patriots on the drives that they had to. Even if the 49ers ran the ball and got more balance running the ball, they needed the time on the clock to score quickly through the air and give themselves a chance to stop the Patriots quickly.
The Patriots in their final 7 drives (excluding the kneel down) had 2 TD, 3 FG, and 2 punts. One of those punts came after the Patriots killed 6:23 off the clock. They already had a drive of 6:16 before that punt and would follow the punt with a 5:40 drive for a FG. The 49ers had 1 TD, 2 INT, and 3 punts.
The 49ers had a 4:31 drive to start off the 4th quarter and suddenly found themselves with only 4:42 left in the game after the Patriots went on that 5:40 drive. At that point, they were down 30-21 and couldn't afford to have another drive where they killed 3-4 minutes.
Also keep in mind that the 49ers had the ball twice in the 3rd quarter, for only 2:49 in part due to an INT on their first drive but the Patriots would not give the 49ers any time to put up a lengthy drive at all.
CalBear
Footballguy
Can we have an alias check on davearm? I think he must be Martz's wife.Are you suggesting that gaining 5 yards on first down and 4 yards on second down is a bad thing?Is this the sort of playcalling everyone thinks Martz should have stuck with in the second half? That took ~2:00 off of the game clock, and the same number of minutes in real time that 3 incompletions would have.
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I'm suggesting you can go 3-and-out just as quickly running as passing, and both result in the defense being right back out on the field. (As I first pointed out at post #10.)The personal attack doesn't add anything worthwhile to your post.Can we have an alias check on davearm? I think he must be Martz's wife.Are you suggesting that gaining 5 yards on first down and 4 yards on second down is a bad thing?Is this the sort of playcalling everyone thinks Martz should have stuck with in the second half? That took ~2:00 off of the game clock, and the same number of minutes in real time that 3 incompletions would have.
FavreCo
Footballguy
The O is far better with Martz but make no mistake, he's a total idiot. He only knows one way and he will lose games, wait...he has lost games, because he can't adapt. Miami showed that NE can be run on. Martz is too stupid to comprehend it. I will say this. Put Martz with the best OL's in the league and he will make that team dominant on offense. ELIte Manning would rack up huge #'s with Martz behind their OL. An average OL? They will give up tons of sacks becasue of Martz.
pats3in4
Footballguy
While the game was still very much winnable by SF, Martz abandoned the run while the Pats were playing a 2-5 defense for almost the entire 2nd half. And the guys playing the two down linemen spots for much of the 2nd half were Jarvis Green and Mike Wright...not exactly Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork. Adalius Thomas and Mike Vrabel often played the DEs in this situation, but were upright the entire time. The formation was begging the 49ers to run the ball, yet Martz continued to have J.T. O'Sullivan throw it all over the field.
It was SB36 all over again, with Martz refusing to run the ball despite a defense that was ripe for such an attack.
It was SB36 all over again, with Martz refusing to run the ball despite a defense that was ripe for such an attack.
CalBear
Footballguy
Wow, I never knew that it was possible to go 3 and out while running the ball. Thanks for the insight!Play calling should be designed to give your team the best chance to get first downs and score. Trotting JT O'Sullivan out there and having him heave it to a bunch of crappy receivers (with the exception of Bruce, who has lost a step but is still better than anything else they have) is not giving your team the best chance to get first downs and score.My prediction for the Niners this year was that they would go 2-6 and then fire Nolan. With Philadelphia and the Giants coming up, 2-5 looks extremely likely. If they lose to Seattle in week 8, I think I'll be right on.The bad thing is, the second part of my prediction is that they'll put Martz in as HC.
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heidbrink
Footballguy
Mike Martz is a "genius" provided his team is comfortably ahead. The second he gets behind by 7 points he panics. When he panics he forgets to run. This is really not surprising at all as much as it is the "pattern" for him...His MO. Ironic that he lost the superbowl to this same team only letting Marshall Faulk touch the ball 8 times... You might think that maybe he'd learn but then again...maybe you'd think why would he. Hell, he's the "genius", right!
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Yes, this...Admittedly, I am biased as a Gore owner, but I just can't agree with those who say Martz didn't abandon the run too early...
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
What continues to frustrate me as a Gore owner is I "watch" all of his games on the NFL.com play by play every week and without fail, he'll have 2-3 catches for 20-25 yds by the end of the first quarter and then that'll be it for the GAME. Seriously, I don't have a way of of checking it but I would be surprised if a dozen of his 19 rec. are in the 1st quarter. It's almost like when they gameplan the first series or two, they make a point of targeting Gore for screens and swings passes but then, in game, forget all about that option.
Just because the 9ers are down and needing to pass, Gore could still be more of an asset to them in the passing game. of his 23 targets, he's caught 19 at almost 8 yds a pop. How he's touched the ball less than 20 times in 3 out of 5 games is just beyond me. ABUSE MY BOY ALREADY MARTZ!
Just because the 9ers are down and needing to pass, Gore could still be more of an asset to them in the passing game. of his 23 targets, he's caught 19 at almost 8 yds a pop. How he's touched the ball less than 20 times in 3 out of 5 games is just beyond me. ABUSE MY BOY ALREADY MARTZ!
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If what I'm saying is not only true but obvious as well, then why are you arguing with me?
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I think that's a very insightful post.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Philly gets it to 2 with about 10 minutes left and had JTO throw it 3 times, which resulted in a 3 and out, when Gore's going for 5+ per carry?Amazingly stupid play calling.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
Not only that, but we've seen week after week in close games that JTO starts forcing the ball into places he shouldn't and more than likely will get picked or at least defended. Yet every close game is, 'Oh look, losing by one with 7+ on the clock, time to throw on every down.' 4th Q, 7:46 to play: Gore touches for the rest of the game? Two. After going for 90 yards and a TD already in the game. Good work. Between Martz idiotic play calls and Nolan being useless (Nice challenge) the team is just continually undermined.
FavreCo
Footballguy
One thing Martz is good at is losing games creatively. Man that guy is a moron. He can do great things and then he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with bonehead playcalling.
