Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (2 Viewers)

[JayJay328]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

 

[FantasyTrader]

Ellington is a penny stock.

Wrong. Wow you're phenomenally wrong. If that's the case, you should have NO problems giving me 100:1 odds that Ellington is a top 10 RB next year. And 50:1 odds he's a RB2. Because that would be penny stock territory. Mike Gillislee is a penny stock. I think several people in this thread are off their rocker with the J.C. comparisons and talk that Ellington is practically a lock for future success - but you're off your rocker to the other extreme. Ellington has performed amazingly in very limited duty. That at least elevates him above the one in a million shots.

 

[NREC34]

It's weird guys are talking about Ray Rice because I traded Ellington for him today.

 

[FantasyTrader]

It's weird guys are talking about Ray Rice because I traded Ellington for him today.

Good move man - definition of buy low!

 

[Steeler]

It's weird guys are talking about Ray Rice because I traded Ellington for him today.

Keeper or redraft?

 

[NREC34]

He's healthy now and primed for a good second half.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ellington is outscoring Rice right now. Does anyone really think that Ellington's situation is going to get worse rather than better? Or do you think Rice's O-line is going to magically get better and he gets his burst back that's been missing for 2 years?

 

[dsofsof]

What exactly is Ellington's trade value right now?

 

[NREC34]

Maybe Ellington will continue to outscore Rice the rest of the way or maybe not. It's impossible to predict the future and one of the things that makes FF fun. I don't wish anything bad about Ellington. I have to think Rice will right the ship. If not I gave up a good prospect for a big name. Time will tell.

 

[VaTerp]

What exactly is Ellington's trade value right now?

FWIW yesterday I declined Ellington and Garcon for Joique Bell and Demaryius or Jordy (PPR).

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Rice is not the first fantasy RB to see a huge dropoff in production after Cam Cameron left town. He was in a dream system under an OC that is a god at creating FF RB studs, and now that OC is gone. I don't expect Rice to be this bad the rest of the way but I don't see him ever even approaching what he did in those prime years with Cam. Sometimes it's worth rolling the dice on a guy like Ellington compared to a guy who's trade value could very easily fall off a cliff within the next year.

 

[Banger]

Ok, using lottery tickets and the stock market in the same analogy isn't working. Ray Rice is actually a lot like AAPL, I agree. You're not going to hit $700 on a $90 stock, but you could take Rice for Ellington and get some value from him if you believe AAPL is going to hit $600. I don't really like AAPL but I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $600 in the next 12 months. Just like I don't really want Ray Rice that much, but I could easily see him putting up solid RB2 numbers next year.

Ellington is a penny stock. His chances of being profitable in the next 12 months are not good. In fact, you just might ride that one down to zero. Maybe you bought it at $0.02 and it's now at $0.10 so your gains have been great. I suggest taking those gains, turning them into Ray Rice and moving along happily.

The conjecture about Ellington being a 3rd round talent or being in the top 3 don't do much for me. The case of Lacy slipping also doesn't make Ellington a more likely player to be a starter next year. His coach will almost certainly pursue a 3 down back in the offseason. I doubt he even gets the courtesy of starting a few games next year like Daryl Richardson did.

He's out produced rice. He may have been a penny stock in week 2 but that's a long time ago. Now their values are $1.20 Ellington and $1.10 rice based on name value.

 

[T with T]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

 

[FantasyTrader]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

Not only did they miss it...they purposefully jumped off it. And now they're pi$$3d. Guys like Coure and FFNinja, they NEED this to not be real or they'll put a bullet in their head.

 

[T with T]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

Not only did they miss it...they purposefully jumped off it. And now they're pi$$3d. Guys like Coure and FFNinja, they NEED this to not be real or they'll put a bullet in their head.

LOL agreed.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

Not only did they miss it...they purposefully jumped off it. And now they're pi$$3d. Guys like Coure and FFNinja, they NEED this to not be real or they'll put a bullet in their head.

You're better than this.Since you're worried about my teams, I've moved Ellington in 1/3 where I owned him, for a 2014 1st from a team currently sitting at 3-5. That's a huge value bump from the initial investment of a late 3rd six months ago, and I'm also hugely deep at RB in that particular league. He's currently on the block in the other two, and drawing interest, but nothing has come in that I felt the need to jump at.

Most of the experienced owners that I play with seem to be including a good chunk of skepticism in their views on the guy -- yes, he's exceeded expectations. Yes, he's looked far better on the eyeball test than his measurables would have indicated. But IMO the deck is still stacked against him as far as turning into a guy that you can count on to provide a consistent weekly advantage in your starting lineup. Arizona's offense is bad, particularly the line, which caps the upside of every offensive player on that roster. Arians can't be trusted to give Ellington consistent touches -- he hasn't ever been a coach that features RBs in the passing game to the extent that other coaches / systems do.

It speaks volumes about the decline of these boards that virtually every dissenting view on a player is shouted down by a chorus of personal attacks and "you're just pissed that you missed out" from the redraft work league Kool Aid crew. The ratio of noise : decent discussion here is by far the worst it's ever been.

 

[Todem]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

Not only did they miss it...they purposefully jumped off it. And now they're pi$$3d. Guys like Coure and FFNinja, they NEED this to not be real or they'll put a bullet in their head.

You're better than this.Since you're worried about my teams, I've moved Ellington in 1/3 where I owned him, for a 2014 1st from a team currently sitting at 3-5. That's a huge value bump from the initial investment of a late 3rd six months ago, and I'm also hugely deep at RB in that particular league. He's currently on the block in the other two, and drawing interest, but nothing has come in that I felt the need to jump at.

Most of the experienced owners that I play with seem to be including a good chunk of skepticism in their views on the guy -- yes, he's exceeded expectations. Yes, he's looked far better on the eyeball test than his measurables would have indicated. But IMO the deck is still stacked against him as far as turning into a guy that you can count on to provide a consistent weekly advantage in your starting lineup. Arizona's offense is bad, particularly the line, which caps the upside of every offensive player on that roster. Arians can't be trusted to give Ellington consistent touches -- he hasn't ever been a coach that features RBs in the passing game to the extent that other coaches / systems do.

It speaks volumes about the decline of these boards that virtually every dissenting view on a player is shouted down by a chorus of personal attacks and "you're just pissed that you missed out" from the redraft work league Kool Aid crew. The ratio of noise : decent discussion here is by far the worst it's ever been.

Spot on there. Can't disagree. Not what it used to be. Not even close.

And for the record....I took him in the 4th this year.....if I get a good offer with proven talent...I seriously look at it. I think the kid is dynamic....but the odds are stacked against him for future years.

This year...he may be a fantasy gem. That is the difference. In a redraft...he is firmly in the lineup as a flex with boom potential.

 

[FF Ninja]

Ok, using lottery tickets and the stock market in the same analogy isn't working. Ray Rice is actually a lot like AAPL, I agree. You're not going to hit $700 on a $90 stock, but you could take Rice for Ellington and get some value from him if you believe AAPL is going to hit $600. I don't really like AAPL but I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $600 in the next 12 months. Just like I don't really want Ray Rice that much, but I could easily see him putting up solid RB2 numbers next year.

Ellington is a penny stock. His chances of being profitable in the next 12 months are not good. In fact, you just might ride that one down to zero. Maybe you bought it at $0.02 and it's now at $0.10 so your gains have been great. I suggest taking those gains, turning them into Ray Rice and moving along happily.

The conjecture about Ellington being a 3rd round talent or being in the top 3 don't do much for me. The case of Lacy slipping also doesn't make Ellington a more likely player to be a starter next year. His coach will almost certainly pursue a 3 down back in the offseason. I doubt he even gets the courtesy of starting a few games next year like Daryl Richardson did.

He's out produced rice. He may have been a penny stock in week 2 but that's a long time ago. Now their values are $1.20 Ellington and $1.10 rice based on name value.

Yes, but will he outproduce Rice for weeks 9-16? Will he outproduce Rice in 2014? That's the real question. If you can find someone who will give you Rice, you take it.

 

[Banger]

Ok, using lottery tickets and the stock market in the same analogy isn't working. Ray Rice is actually a lot like AAPL, I agree. You're not going to hit $700 on a $90 stock, but you could take Rice for Ellington and get some value from him if you believe AAPL is going to hit $600. I don't really like AAPL but I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $600 in the next 12 months. Just like I don't really want Ray Rice that much, but I could easily see him putting up solid RB2 numbers next year.

Ellington is a penny stock. His chances of being profitable in the next 12 months are not good. In fact, you just might ride that one down to zero. Maybe you bought it at $0.02 and it's now at $0.10 so your gains have been great. I suggest taking those gains, turning them into Ray Rice and moving along happily.

The conjecture about Ellington being a 3rd round talent or being in the top 3 don't do much for me. The case of Lacy slipping also doesn't make Ellington a more likely player to be a starter next year. His coach will almost certainly pursue a 3 down back in the offseason. I doubt he even gets the courtesy of starting a few games next year like Daryl Richardson did.

He's out produced rice. He may have been a penny stock in week 2 but that's a long time ago. Now their values are $1.20 Ellington and $1.10 rice based on name value.

Yes, but will he outproduce Rice for weeks 9-16? Will he outproduce Rice in 2014? That's the real question. If you can find someone who will give you Rice, you take it.

I don't think Rice will outproduce Ellington this year....is it possible? sure...probable? I'd say no...why would it? he's looked horrible and their line is garbage...not sure if he's hurt or not but I don't see Rice's situation changing/improving while there's reason to think based on his performance that Ellington's role could continue to grow. They are looking for ways to get the ball into his hands, get him in space and exploit his big play ability.

To me it boils down to risk tolerance and I think Rice has a more defined role and probably higher floor while Ellington has a higher ceiling. Ellington has 43 carries and an atounding 28% have been for 10 yards or more (12 of 43) with runs of 16, 25, 14, 11, 26, 10, 15, 14, 22, 80, 19 and 12. Rice has 86 carries and has 6 runs for 10 yards or more (7%) and none greater than 14 yards. So basically on half as many carries, he has twice as many big plays. IF Ellington gets the job (which I know is in question) he has the ability to win your league with the way he's running and his role in the offense, especially with the state of RBs this year. I don't see those huge potential week coming from Rice.

I'd be less comfortable at this point and time turning down a trade for Rice in dynasty but I think it would depend a bit on your roster as well.

 

[FF Ninja]

He has already scored more points than Lacy, Gio, or Rice in my league. What makes you think he is going to fall off so much?

They don't own him!

yea they missed the ELLINGTON train and are upset lol

Not only did they miss it...they purposefully jumped off it. And now they're pi$$3d. Guys like Coure and FFNinja, they NEED this to not be real or they'll put a bullet in their head.

Ummm... yeah about that... no.

Just dropped in to hose down the circle jerk with some realistic probabilities. If you are so defensive that you need to come up with a conspiracy theory that we realists are just looking for negative confirmation bias then you've got issues. Even another Ellington owner said the safe play is to assume Ellington doesn't pan out yet you take me saying it to mean I'm vested in the situation one way or another and have let emotions get in the way of logic. I don't really care if he becomes a starter for the Cards next year, I am just telling you guys that it probably won't happen so I'd suggest people stop turning down trades for Ray Rice-esque players. If that greatly offends you then you need to take a step back.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Ummm... yeah about that... no.

Just dropped in to hose down the circle jerk with some realistic probabilities. If you are so defensive that you need to come up with a conspiracy theory that we realists are just looking for negative confirmation bias then you've got issues. Even another Ellington owner said the safe play is to assume Ellington doesn't pan out yet you take me saying it to mean I'm vested in the situation one way or another and have let emotions get in the way of logic. I don't really care if he becomes a starter for the Cards next year, I am just telling you guys that it probably won't happen so I'd suggest people stop turning down trades for Ray Rice-esque players. If that greatly offends you then you need to take a step back.

Not offended whatsoever. In fact, just a few posts up I praised a guy for flipping Ellington for Rice so I agree with you. There's a way to get your point across without condescension. "hose down the circle jerk"...yeah, I'm the one being defensive. If you couldn't care less, you'd make your point and move on.

You keep grinding on this idea that people who would rather hold onto an unproven commodity that has been performing overwhelming well instead of flipping the "$1 lottery ticket for $10" are acting illogically. I happen to have a perfectly logical reason but don't have the inclination to explain it to you.

 

[FantasyTrader]

...shouted down by a chorus of personal attacks and "you're just pissed that you missed out" from the redraft work league Kool Aid crew. The ratio of noise : decent discussion here is by far the worst it's ever been.

This is pure gold. You complain about the personal attacks and then go on to personally attack. We were having a good discussion a few pages back about his workload, skill-set and future value - I even happen to agree with you on several points. But I agree, I think we're done here.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

Why on earth would anyone think that Ellington will not start next year? He is effing 200 lbs. He can most certainly carry the load.

Oh.....and he's freaky lightning like fast.

 

[Todem]

Why on earth would anyone think that Ellington will not start next year? He is effing 200 lbs. He can most certainly carry the load.

Oh.....and he's freaky lightning like fast.

I love the kid.

But I want to see a clear commitment from the coaching staff this year going forward before I put stock in that. And I mean on the field.

Got lip service all off-season from the Dolphins staff about Lamar Miller is the guy...then after pre-season....they went to a time share yada yada yada. And look what happens as his touches have increased the last 2 games. Still I don;t trust it till I see it from the coaches.....today's NFL is so cryptic.

The feature RB is a dying breed in todays NFL......it is really tough to find dynamic 3 down backs anymore.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

...shouted down by a chorus of personal attacks and "you're just pissed that you missed out" from the redraft work league Kool Aid crew. The ratio of noise : decent discussion here is by far the worst it's ever been.

This is pure gold. You complain about the personal attacks and then go on to personally attack. We were having a good discussion a few pages back about his workload, skill-set and future value - I even happen to agree with you on several points. But I agree, I think we're done here.

Where's the personal attack in there? I'm referring to an entire class of posters here who add zero to any discussion outside of talking about WDIS this week, "all aboard the hype train CHOO CHOO," etc -- ie clearly not you, and clearly not directed at anyone personally. I guess you're right that we have zero to discuss if you're good with the type of "discussion" I quoted initially.

 

[Routilla]

Fantasy gem stone for teams who got him this year. Sounds like I lot of dynasty talk here referencing 2014 and beyond. Maybe we should disclose our viewpoints so the dynasty and redraft folks can get along. Clearly there is a different strategy depending on your league. Redraft here fwiw.

 

[zamboni]

So Mendenhall looks like he's back this week and Arians seems committed to sticking with Mendy as the starter.

Have to think Ellington will still get a decent size of the pie, but anyone starting him this week? And if so, over whom?

 

[Insein]

So Mendenhall looks like he's back this week and Arians seems committed to sticking with Mendy as the starter.

Have to think Ellington will still get a decent size of the pie, but anyone starting him this week? And if so, over whom?

Starting him. Not over much. I have lamar and pierre thomas alre ady playing with Ridley and vereen on the bench.

 

[Todem]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

 

[Insein]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

13 carries for 40 yards would be an improvement for mendy.

 

[Slapdash]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

13 carries for 40 yards would be an improvement for mendy.

Not starting Ellington this week though. Probably rolling with Bush, Stacy, and James or MJD over him.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I'll probably start Spiller over him, but I hope Ellington busts out another long one and gives the coaches more reasons to increase his role.

 

[Steeler]

I'm starting Forte and Chris Johnson over him this week.

 

[DreamTheater]

starting him over Rice..Just cant look at another disappointing stat line from Rice in my scoring this week...

 

[DoubleG]

starting him over Rice..Just cant look at another disappointing stat line from Rice in my scoring this week...

I always enjoy a good Ellington over Rice - especially with a nice Chianti.

 

[FantasyTrader]

starting him over Rice..Just cant look at another disappointing stat line from Rice in my scoring this week...

Same here, with no confidence vs HOU. Ellington and MJD over Rice with a side of Ivory on a bye. Best hope is the Texans defense gets lost in the wash once or twice like the Falcons last week. But I'm expecting a 9-40 and 3-30 kinda day in a week to forget for Andre. Hope I'm wrong. At least he has a snowballs chance in hell of busting a long one - unlike Rice.

 

[DocHolliday]

I am in. Starting Ellington this week.

 

[Todem]

10 for 55

3 receptions for 25 TD.

I will take that with pleasure.

 

[Ray]

Starting over Andre Brown at flex (PPR).

I'm hoping for more receptions than most it seems: 5-6 for 50?

 

[JaxJokers]

So Mendenhall looks like he's back this week and Arians seems committed to sticking with Mendy as the starter.

Have to think Ellington will still get a decent size of the pie, but anyone starting him this week? And if so, over whom?

Starting him. Not over much. I have lamar and pierre thomas alre ady playing with Ridley and vereen on the bench.

Starting Mike James and MJD over Ellington, S-Jax and Lamar Miller in a .5 PPR league.

 

[Routilla]

Elly goes yard!!!

 

[NajehHejan]

Flexing Gio over him but did think long and hard first. Close call.

 

[Goooals]

Mendy was limited Wednesday in practice so let's see how it plays out the rest of the week.

 

[Isotopes]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

James for sure. Le'Veon is the safe play - I'd probably bench Ellington UNLESS I figured I needed some unexpected pts. vs. my opponent this week.

 

[T with T]

Starting Ellington with confidence. Along with Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller (redraft) and Lamar Miller and Pierre Thomas (dynasty). Trent Richardson is firmly on the bench now in both leagues. Sheesh what a nightmare he has been. And Donald Brown...shows he is the better runner so far.....I am not in denial.

Coaching absurdity reigns if Mendy continues to get fed for 13 carries and 40 yards.

I expect Ellington to again show why he should be the lead dog in Arizona. And it does not have to be a monster performance....just show how he can get chunk yardage, catch the ball...make things happen....while a washed up Mendy plods for 3 yards.

Sounds so familiar (Lamar Miller vs Daniel Thomas).

yes agreed but this situation is worse, cuz at least daniel thomas is young and decent and has some legs. Mendy is like worn old dirty underwear and Ellington is like a fresh pair of White NIKE socks...... ##### so cold. Hopefully arians gets his head out of his A##

 

[Buzz628]

I just traded Dez and FJax for Marshall and Ellington in a non-PPR league. We only get to have 4 RBs on our roster and I already have Spiller so I didn't want Fred anymore.

The commish almost vetoed it because it was so lopsided.

What am I not seeing here? Am I crazy?

Is Ellington's value so low?

 

[Bobby Guano]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

James for sure. Le'Veon is the safe play - I'd probably bench Ellington UNLESS I figured I needed some unexpected pts. vs. my opponent this week.

I'm starting him over Le'Veon with no trouble at all.

 

[Slapdash]

Having a hard time putting him in my lineup. Have to choose two out of Ellington/L'Veon Bell/Mike James.....he is the odd man out right now, but mostly because I like the potential of James on MNF and Bell seems pretty sure to get 15-18 touches.

James for sure. Le'Veon is the safe play - I'd probably bench Ellington UNLESS I figured I needed some unexpected pts. vs. my opponent this week.

Thing about Bell though is that he will get looks on the goal line. That could easily add a couple TDs to an otherwise medicore day.

 

[T with T]

starting him over Rice..Just cant look at another disappointing stat line from Rice in my scoring this week...

me to doing same.