Andrea Kremer: "Vince Young pouts when things don't go his wa (1 Viewer)

[redman]

I didn't see a thread on this, and I didn't clearly hear exactly what she said, but Andrea Kremer reported from the sideline during last night's game after VY went out with an injury that (and I believe she was reporting this as a comment from a member of the Titans) Young is known to pout if things start badly or don't go his way during a game.

First of all, can anyone more exactly indicate what she said (again, I didn't hear it clearly), and secondly explain what's going on there? That's a pretty inflammatory statement to say about the injured star player of a team fighting for a playoff spot on national TV.

 

[GregR_2]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night before deleting it.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

 

[The Pitbull]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

 

[Jason Wood]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

 

[redman]

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I don't think that's by accident (at least I hope not), although the timing is questionable. They must be wanting to prod him a little, and figured that the only way to get through to him is to go public. I not endorsing the approach, but rather trying to come up with an explanation for a pretty amazing comment.

 

[FUBAR]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

 

[redman]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

 

[FUBAR]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

I would need to see more about the injury. It appeared he wanted to go back in, but couldn't. He was wincing was he was walking around, but that could have been for show. Tennessee didn't need him to go back in, so we really can't tell what he would have done.

 

[Jason Wood]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

Let's not put words in my mouth please. I said I'm not SURE I blame him...in other words, the jury on which QB is going to be the "best choice" is, to my mind, very much still up in the air. Particularly when it comes who which guy would be better running Chow's offense.

 

[FUBAR]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year. Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

 

[FUBAR]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

Let's not put words in my mouth please. I said I'm not SURE I blame him...in other words, the jury on which QB is going to be the "best choice" is, to my mind, very much still up in the air. Particularly when it comes who which guy would be better running Chow's offense.

In this post, I didn't put words in your mouth. I apologize for the next one, where I did.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ol' bug eyed Kremer is hard to look at

 

[Da Guru]

I didn't see a thread on this, and I didn't clearly hear exactly what she said, but Andrea Kremer reported from the sideline during last night's game after VY went out with an injury that (and I believe she was reporting this as a comment from a member of the Titans) Young is known to pout if things start badly or don't go his way during a game. First of all, can anyone more exactly indicate what she said (again, I didn't hear it clearly), and secondly explain what's going on there? That's a pretty inflammatory statement to say about the injured star player of a team fighting for a playoff spot on national TV.

This has been rumored for quite some time..not just last night.

 

[dickey moe]

I thought it was a pretty shocking thing for an OC to tell a TV reporter. Maybe Chow thought it was off the record. I'm sure he didn't appreciate Kramer mentioning it on live TV during the most important game for the franchise in years..

 

[Traders2001]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

Aniway the offense is better with Collins at QB. They have decent WR but Young just cant throw the ball over 10 yards, you saw it again yesterday noght.

 

[Traders2001]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year. Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

They are both busts aniways , you are comparing two bad QB's .

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

 

[enfuego]

 

[The Pitbull]

I would need to see more about the injury. It appeared he wanted to go back in, but couldn't. He was wincing was he was walking around, but that could have been for show. Tennessee didn't need him to go back in, so we really can't tell what he would have done.

In his post game interview Fisher said that Young "could have gone back in" if they would have needed him to, but they felt like Collins had the momentum. Young's "wincing' and "grimacing" had the look and feel of a Boxer who gets hit with a low blow that doesn’t actually catch him in the package (but on the belt line or inner thigh). They walk around in dramatic "agony", only to resume fighting like nothing ever happened a few seconds later. I could be wrong... but that's what it looked like to me.

 

[otb_lifer]

Ol' bug eyed Kremer is hard to look at

She looks like a horrific mashup between Carmela Soprano (Edie Falco) and Nancy Grace ...

 

[Brewzers]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night before deleting it.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I heard it to, but my first thought was those probably weren't Chow's exact words.....it just sounded too dumb. It wouldn't surprise me to learn this statement was twisted and out of context. If not, there is probably friction between Chow & Young or at least there is now.

 

[redman]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year. Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

I don't care about Wunderlic. I care about a guy whose offense is only going to go as far as his legs and dump off passes take them. You're spending time bashing Leinart for Kurt Warner outplaying him - how about explaining to me how Vince Young is having Kerry Collins outplay him.

 

[bostonfred]

It sure would be nice to see Chow go to the Cardinals.

 

[guderian]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

While the jury is certainly still out on all of the "Big 3" QBs from the 2006 draft, here are my thoughts:

Cutler

Young/Leinert

Stop, I know that Jay Cutler has not had a "breakout" season. However, I see things consistently in Cutler that lead me to conclude that Cutler still has a very good shot and is on the right track of becoming a true "Franchise QB". Also, it is quite apparent that, sans Brandon Marshall, the Denver "supporting cast" has been very crappy this year. The Denver running game is now "mediocore" and their offensive line is "below average", combined with a "below average" defense. I still like Jay Cutler's long term prospects a lot.

The other 2 guys (Young and Leinert) are well behind Jay Cutler.

Vince Young. I never want to hear another commentator opine on the Young's "winning pedigree" as a QB -- maybe in college and at times in 2006, but there is has been no "cause and effect" between Titan wins and Vince Young performance. He has had some moments in 2007, and yes he still has a weak "receiving corp", but he has more often than not looked like a marginal NFL QB in 2007. Frankly, at the risk of sounding "politically incorrect", Young will never be anything special if ain't making plays with his legs. Maybe its been the quad or maybe coaching, but he has not looked very special this year with his legs and if he doesn't consistently bring with him the ability to break off the occasional 25 yard run he will never be a "good" NFL QB.

Matt Leinert - 2007 was a wasted year. What was clear was that the 2007 Caridnals were a SIGNIFICANTLY better offense with Kurt Warner at QB than with Matt Leinert (pre injury). Now what is going to change between now and the start of 2008. For one, both Leinert and Warner will presumably be healthy. The Cards in 2008 will be a "win now" team. They will have their emerging defense healthy again and will be looking to take that next step after an 8-8 year that they can build upon. I am the owner of the Cards I feel A LOT better at my chances of making the playoffs next year with Warner at the helm, than the "work-in-process" that is Matt Leinert.

 

[guderian]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year. Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

Leinart's completed 53.6% of his passes and Young's completed 62.3% (with nearly a 1 yard advantage in YPA before the dink and dunk card is played). FYI, the Titan's top 2 receivers are Justin Gage and Roydell Williams--I wonder what stats Young would put up if he had Fitzgerald and Boldin.

 

[enfuego]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year. Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

Leinart's completed 53.6% of his passes and Young's completed 62.3% (with nearly a 1 yard advantage in YPA before the dink and dunk card is played). FYI, the Titan's top 2 receivers are Justin Gage and Roydell Williams--I wonder what stats Young would put up if he had Fitzgerald and Boldin.

Hasn't this Leinart/Young thread been played already? Let's stick to topic, please.

 

[redman]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest :( was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

I love the knee-jerk comparisons to Leinart. Forget him. I'm just talking about Young, and watching him you're watching a guy who can't run the offense. He's an amazing athlete, but a QB has to be able to win with his arm to be legit, and so far Young is not. When Collins goes into that game they have WR's running routes that they just don't run with Young.

 

[Hawk]

I don't care about Wunderlic. I care about a guy whose offense is only going to go as far as his legs and dump off passes take them.

You're spending time bashing Leinart for Kurt Warner outplaying him - how about explaining to me how Vince Young is having Kerry Collins outplay him.

How did Collins outplay Vince? Vince's completion percentage last night was higher than collins (77.7% to 76.9%) and his yards per attempt was higher than Collins as well (8.7 to 8.1) which negates your whole dump-off theory. They both played well yesterday, but Vince had slightly better numbers and was the QB for their only TD drive (and if not for C.Brown coughing it up on the 5 yard line, Vince would have led them to two TD's). Vince also played against the startting defense for Indy, whereas Collins was mostly against the back-ups.

When Collins is at the helm, the Titans have even more trouble scoring TD's than when Vince is in, and all he mustered yesterday was three FG drives against back-ups. Collins was also the QB for that incredible 8 FG display of inept redzone offense earlier in the season. He also has a knack for being sacked out of FG range. Collins is a nice back-up to have, and he did enough against the Indy scrubs to win, but Vince is clearly their best option at QB unless he just can't move around on his bum quad.

 

[enfuego]

 

[Two Deep]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year.

Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game

Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game

Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.

Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

They are both busts [u]aniways [/u], you are comparing two bad QB's .

Stop doing that.

 

[Hawk]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

I love the knee-jerk comparisons to Leinart. Forget him. I'm just talking about Young, and watching him you're watching a guy who can't run the offense. He's an amazing athlete, but a QB has to be able to win with his arm to be legit, and so far Young is not. When Collins goes into that game they have WR's running routes that they just don't run with Young.

They also have a lot of running and passing plays they can't run with Collins in there that they can when Vince is in. These are different style QB's, of course the offense and the play-calling will be a little different depending on which one is in. It's not like they are going to move the pocket with Collins at QB or roll him out. It's not like they can run fakes where Collins pretends to keep it on a running play.

 

[Brewzers]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

I love the knee-jerk comparisons to Leinart. Forget him. I'm just talking about Young, and watching him you're watching a guy who can't run the offense. He's an amazing athlete, but a QB has to be able to win with his arm to be legit, and so far Young is not. When Collins goes into that game they have WR's running routes that they just don't run with Young.

I hate all the knee-jerk reactions to Vince Young. I agree he did not prove he is an NFL caliber passing QB this year, but he doesn't have NFL caliber WRs on his team either. I think it is legitment to wonder what he could do with a couple of WR weapons. I can count at least 8 sure TD passes dropped this year. Yesterday, I watched Brandon Marshall haul in a bad pass from Jay Cutler (not a TD), but an example of a good WR making a QB look good. I watch Brady just toss it up for Moss in double coverage and Moss goes up and grabs it. I haven't seen Tennessee WRs do that all year. Kerry Collins has proven he is not a worthy starting NFL QB, however, he is a great backup and had a good game yesterday. His pocket passing style was an effective change of pace. I didn't notice any particular route the WRs ran with Collins that they wouldn't run with Vince. It did seem like the percentage of downfield passes were greater with Collins than with Vince, if that is what you mean.

 

[redman]

So does anyone besides Norm Chow think Young has maturity issues?

 

[fatness]

Maybe Chow's just taking shots as he walks out the door.

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Monday, 12/31/07

Chow can expect a call from UCLA

New UCLA Coach Rick Neuheisel said he would contact Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow to gauge his interest in joining the Bruins staff. Chow also interviewed with UCLA to become head coach then withdrew his name from consideration. Chow was offensive coordinator at USC from 2001-04 and still has a home and family in Los Angeles.

"I know him, and I know that he has a great affinity for college football," Neuheisel told The Los Angeles Times. "That doesn't mean he doesn't like what he's doing now. But I have a great affinity for Norm and what he's done in college football in all the places where he's been. It would be fun for me to have a chance to work with him."

 

[SSOG]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night before deleting it.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I don't know, it seemed to work out pretty well when **** Vermeil told Larry Johnson to take the diapers off, didn't it? There are lots of different motivation tactics, but calling out a player in the media is a popular one, especially in the college ranks (which would explain why when we hear about it in the NFL, it's almost always with a younger player).

 

[Schrute]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Yeah, Leinart's been awesome.

 

[FUBAR]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year.

Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game

Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game

Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.

Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

I don't care about Wunderlic. I care about a guy whose offense is only going to go as far as his legs and dump off passes take them. You're spending time bashing Leinart for Kurt Warner outplaying him - how about explaining to me how Vince Young is having Kerry Collins outplay him.

How about you explain how Collins is outplaying Young, I don't see it.

 

[FUBAR]

So does anyone besides Norm Chow think Young has maturity issues?

Sure, I even said so. He's better than many players, but he has to rise up to be a true leader in the NFL. He has that potential, but isn't realizing it. I think next week will show us a lot.

 

[FUBAR]

It looked like VY quit on them last night. I woudnt want that guy at the helm of my team in the play-off's.

Aniway the offense is better with Collins at QB. They have decent WR but Young just cant throw the ball over 10 yards, you saw it again yesterday noght.

Just curious, do you actually watch the games?1. The offense is NOT better with Collins2. Young has no problem throwing the ball deep. It would help if they had someone to catch it.3. Who is this decent WR? Gage is an ok #3, Moulds was a good WR in 2000, Roydell could be a #2. They need a go-to.

 

[Schrute]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

You don't? Is that why Kurt Warner had to come in and run the two-minute offense even when Leinart was healthy?

 

[pizzatyme]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

This smells of Brady/Manning lite.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

Maybe Chow's just taking shots as he walks out the door.

Link

Monday, 12/31/07

Chow can expect a call from UCLA

New UCLA Coach Rick Neuheisel said he would contact Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow to gauge his interest in joining the Bruins staff. Chow also interviewed with UCLA to become head coach then withdrew his name from consideration. Chow was offensive coordinator at USC from 2001-04 and still has a home and family in Los Angeles.

"I know him, and I know that he has a great affinity for college football," Neuheisel told The Los Angeles Times. "That doesn't mean he doesn't like what he's doing now. But I have a great affinity for Norm and what he's done in college football in all the places where he's been. It would be fun for me to have a chance to work with him."

Right, ciao Chow.

 

[redman]

Maybe Chow's just taking shots as he walks out the door.

Link

Monday, 12/31/07

Chow can expect a call from UCLA

New UCLA Coach Rick Neuheisel said he would contact Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow to gauge his interest in joining the Bruins staff. Chow also interviewed with UCLA to become head coach then withdrew his name from consideration. Chow was offensive coordinator at USC from 2001-04 and still has a home and family in Los Angeles.

"I know him, and I know that he has a great affinity for college football," Neuheisel told The Los Angeles Times. "That doesn't mean he doesn't like what he's doing now. But I have a great affinity for Norm and what he's done in college football in all the places where he's been. It would be fun for me to have a chance to work with him."

Right, ciao Chow.

We're hijacking here, but why on earth would Chow leave the Titans for the UCLA job to coach under Neuheisel?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Andrea thinks Vince should be more like her Tom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwA6EJSdHg

 

[fatness]

We're hijacking here, but why on earth would Chow leave the Titans for the UCLA job to coach under Neuheisel?

I'm trying to figure out why Chow would trash his QB in a talk with a reporter. Leaving for another job seems as good a guess as any for doing something stupid like that.

 

[pizzatyme]

Andrea thinks Vince should be more like her Tom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwA6EJSdHg

Not to hijack, but why does it appear she is undressing everyone of her sideline interviews? Like a giddy HS girl at a Motley Crue concert.

 

[Phurfur]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Sweet, we're back to the wundelic again. If it matters, Young is actually producing better than Leinart this year.

Leinart - 61.9 rating; 5 games, 0.4 TD/Game, 0.8 INT/Game, 130 Yards / Game

Young - 71.1 rating; 15 games, 0.6 TD/Game, 1.13 INT/Game, 169.7 Yards / Game

Not to mention the running and Young wasn't greatly outproduced by his 36 year old backup who might just take his job next year. You don't hear any of that talk about Young.

Young has a lot of maturing to do, but to say you'd take Leinart ahead of him is a leap of faith at best.

Leinart's completed 53.6% of his passes and Young's completed 62.3% (with nearly a 1 yard advantage in YPA before the dink and dunk card is played). FYI, the Titan's top 2 receivers are Justin Gage and Roydell Williams--I wonder what stats Young would put up if he had Fitzgerald and Boldin.

Yeah, he could dump the ball off to them.

 

[FUBAR]

I deleted my Tivo of the game, but I went back and replayed it last night.

In a nutshell, she said that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow told her that VY has maturity issues and when things go wrong he can dwell on them and pout about it.

When I heard it, my biggest was that an OC would say that on the record to the media about his franchise QB. It definitely didn't seem like a savvy wording for him to have used whether it is truthful or not.

I found that interesting; that's why a lot of head coaches forbid assistants from talking to the press in the first place. It's no secret that Chow wanted Leinart and, frankly, I'm not sure I blame him.

Right, Leinart's proven to be a stud and a winner.Didn't Fisher want Cutler? It appears he's right, although Denver didn't do all that well this year.

The jury's out on Leinart in the NFL, but at the very least you don't have to dumb down an offense to screens and curls so that it can actually fit inside a QB's brain with him.

Vince Young has done considerably better than Leinart without even adjusting for the fact that Leinart has two of the best receivers in the NFL and Young's receiving corps is arguably in the bottom 5.

This smells of Brady/Manning lite.

Except instead of "who's the best QB in the league", it's "which young QB sucks the most"?That answer would be JP Losman Alex Smith Rex Grossman anyway