saintfool
Dead sexy
given your performance in the Varsity league, I'm happy to throw you a bone every now and then....Hadn't thought about Mendenhall to the Giants. That would work, wouldn't it? I'm going to tuck that one away for future mocks.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd be angry with that statement... except it's true.given your performance in the Varsity league, I'm happy to throw you a bone every now and then....Hadn't thought about Mendenhall to the Giants. That would work, wouldn't it? I'm going to tuck that one away for future mocks.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
actually I see mike hart in Denver he's a perfect one cut type back IMO
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good spot. I think he's better than a lot of people give him credit for.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I have bashed him, cause I think his measurables will push him down in the draft, and he wont break many 80 yard runs. But he could be a decent zone blocking type backup in the NFL, not sure if he can do special teams or not either.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Jacket
Footballguy
I haven't seen Otah enough to give a decent opinion on him, but if he's the tackle the Chiefs most like in that spot, I'm all for it. They took Dwayne Bowe over the guy many thought they'd take, Robert Meachem, and that's working out very well.
As for your commentary, I'd suggest that the 'best player available' approach applies to the Chiefs as much as any team in the NFL for two main reasons: (1) they're reasonably talent-stricken, and upgrades at most positions are possible; and (2) they've proven over the last few years, and in Herm's tenure especially, that they'll take the best player on their board regardless of need. Certainly DE and WR have been need areas the previous two years when they selected Tamba Hali and Bowe, respectively, but in neither year were those positions the Chiefs' top priority.
I think Sedrick Ellis, Malcolm Jenkins (or their top-rated CB), their top-rated QB, Kenny Phillips and perhaps even their top-rated LB are options. The only aforementioned player, or position, that I think may be downgraded with the Chiefs is CB, mostly due to depth at the position in this draft and the cover-two scheme KC runs.
As for your commentary, I'd suggest that the 'best player available' approach applies to the Chiefs as much as any team in the NFL for two main reasons: (1) they're reasonably talent-stricken, and upgrades at most positions are possible; and (2) they've proven over the last few years, and in Herm's tenure especially, that they'll take the best player on their board regardless of need. Certainly DE and WR have been need areas the previous two years when they selected Tamba Hali and Bowe, respectively, but in neither year were those positions the Chiefs' top priority.
I think Sedrick Ellis, Malcolm Jenkins (or their top-rated CB), their top-rated QB, Kenny Phillips and perhaps even their top-rated LB are options. The only aforementioned player, or position, that I think may be downgraded with the Chiefs is CB, mostly due to depth at the position in this draft and the cover-two scheme KC runs.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can agree with all of that.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Just as an added extra tidbit, although it's purely my own speculation: Sedrick Ellis could be the real darkhorse. Some are arguing he's right up there on Dorsey's level and he has the potential to be a dominant pass-rushing, 3-technique DT. Herm Edwards is a big defense homer (and he spent a first-round pick on WR last year) and, most importantly of all, Herm loves nothing more than reminiscing about his Tampa days. Seriously - in every press conference it's Tampa this, Tampa that, Tampa blah blah blah.
Maybe Sedrick Ellis can be Herm's Warren Sapp?
I don't know. Just throwing it out there. He may not even be available when KC picks if he's as good as some think he might be.
Maybe Sedrick Ellis can be Herm's Warren Sapp?
I don't know. Just throwing it out there. He may not even be available when KC picks if he's as good as some think he might be.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well, I do have him going right before KC's pick to Cincinnati. If the order is reversed, maybe he could be the pick.But didn't they draft two DT's last year?
The Jacket
Footballguy
Well, one, who was a third-round pick and hasn't done much yet, and a DE/DT hybrid, who has been pretty quiet himself.
I'm just hoping that their top-rated player when they're on clock is an OT, whether it's Otah, Oher or anyone else.
I'm just hoping that their top-rated player when they're on clock is an OT, whether it's Otah, Oher or anyone else.
Steve Polychronopolous
Footballguy
McFadden will be running the "Wild Hog" for the Vikings next year. Just watch.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wouldn't that be something.I'd love it if they could land Jackson, Doucet, or Kelly.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Andy> If you could give us the pros each player in the top five has the potential to resemble the most, that'd be great.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Bloom would be better to answer that, but I'll do some research and get back to you.For starters, I'd say Dorsey reminds me of a young Warren Sapp.Gholston is a bit like Demarcus Ware or even more closely Willie McGinest.Brohm reminds me of Brady or Palmer.Chris Long is like Patrick Kerney or maybe Jared Allen.Jake Long is like Joe Thomas. (I don't watch o-line play much).
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Andy Dufresne
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Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
Despite KC's investment in Croyle, they should also be in the QB derby.Given what I've seen of Ryan this year, especially the last 5 minutes @ Va Tech, I firmly believe he's going to be an outstanding NFL QB.Andy Dufresne said:
If I were Carolina or Baltimore, I'd be doing my best to trade into the #4 slot above Atlanta to ensure a Ryan selection.
Assuming Petrino does play the familiarity card & select Brohm, Carolina should talk with KC to get ahead of Baltimore.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Absolutely.
Totally agree here too. Ryan is my #1 QB. Just a frog's hair ahead of Brohm, but still ahead.
The Jacket
Footballguy
The Chiefs will definitely have to consider QB going forward, and I'd contend that they really don't have much invested in Brodie Croyle other than time and practice reps, but I don't think they're going to take a QB in the first two rounds for a variety of reasons: (1) the prospects are very borderline and I personally can't see how a QB will be the best player available in either of the first three rounds, assuming it plays out as expected; (2) rightly or wrongly, they really do like Croyle; (3) their needs in the OL are much more significant; (4) it sends the wrong message to Croyle; (5) they would be under pressure to play the drafted QB at some point, which isn't a 'problem' they'd mind having with another position; (6) the team under Carl Peterson (I hope he's fired as much as the next guy but he won't be) hasn't drafted and developed QBs at all - to expect them to draft and play two within three years of each other is far-fetched; etc.
A previous poster mentioned the Chiefs trading down with a team that might consider moving up for the last 'big three' QB left on the board, possibly Andre' Woodson. This is an extremely likely scenario if KC can be compensated fairly. They have made it very clear that they want to stockpile picks and trading down in the first round would be a great tool with which to further achieve that goal (they already have a boatload of picks). I think one thing you'll hear or read many times in the draft build-up over the coming months is, "[this] team could move down a bit and draft [this] player who'd fit nicely; they really don't need to be this high". I think that applies to a decent number of teams for a variety of reasons, with the main two being that (1) they each have numerous significant holes on their team; and (2) they could draft a similar player which they would earlier without losing a great deal of value. For example, I think the Chiefs could move from No. 9 overall to #15-18 and draft their top-rated OT, CB or DT. I think a team like Cincinnati could do a similar thing and select their top-rated DT, DE or LB.
A previous poster mentioned the Chiefs trading down with a team that might consider moving up for the last 'big three' QB left on the board, possibly Andre' Woodson. This is an extremely likely scenario if KC can be compensated fairly. They have made it very clear that they want to stockpile picks and trading down in the first round would be a great tool with which to further achieve that goal (they already have a boatload of picks). I think one thing you'll hear or read many times in the draft build-up over the coming months is, "[this] team could move down a bit and draft [this] player who'd fit nicely; they really don't need to be this high". I think that applies to a decent number of teams for a variety of reasons, with the main two being that (1) they each have numerous significant holes on their team; and (2) they could draft a similar player which they would earlier without losing a great deal of value. For example, I think the Chiefs could move from No. 9 overall to #15-18 and draft their top-rated OT, CB or DT. I think a team like Cincinnati could do a similar thing and select their top-rated DT, DE or LB.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Good job Andy. With DE being such a weakness for the Jags, Chris Ellis would fit nicely.Andy Dufresne said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
Admittingly I have not seen Brohm much but I have seen Ryan and Woodson. Personally I think Woodson is light years ahead of Ryan. Better arm, better mobility, smarter and he has great size. Plus he has improved every year and to me this is a great trait to have. If the Panthers draft him have Woodson learn under Jake for 2 years and then take over, I like that option.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't know how you can say Woodson has a better arm than Ryan. Ryan has a quicker release too.
Steve Polychronopolous
Footballguy
I think Doucet would benefit the Vikings the most right away as a possession guy and I think he runs better routes. But I still think McFadden is the guy they need. With the Vikings emerging O-Line, I think lining McFadden, Taylor, and ADP up in the backfield would be incredibly fun to watch.Wouldn't that be something.I'd love it if they could land Jackson, Doucet, or Kelly.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Ryan may have a quicker release but AW has a shoulder cannon. Ryan seems to do better on the short passes with touch. AW seems to zip every pass in there. But believe it or not, I am not an NFL scout.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If they stay in the teens, they should be able to get a WR that can really help. I can't imagine that Kelly/Doucet/Jackson would all be gone at around the 15 spot (assuming Kelly declares).I think Doucet would benefit the Vikings the most right away as a possession guy and I think he runs better routes. But I still think McFadden is the guy they need. With the Vikings emerging O-Line, I think lining McFadden, Taylor, and ADP up in the backfield would be incredibly fun to watch.Wouldn't that be something.I'd love it if they could land Jackson, Doucet, or Kelly.
That's funny, neither am I!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Maybe a bit, but not much. The only place that I've heard he's soft is around here.He's been injured with a mysterious groin/abdominal injury that's really slowed him this year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
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