Andy Reid ruined Vick just like he did Mcnabb (1 Viewer)

[dawhole9]

Vick was nearly unstoppable in 2010 until they started tampering with him telling him to stay in the pocket. Vick is not a conventional pocket passer and never will be and its hurting this team. A good coach plays his players to their strengths let Vick be Vick. Now i dont mean run after the first read. Im saying pass from the pocket when he needs to and run more to keep the defenses honest.Teams know he doesnt run much anymore so now it makes their job a heck of alot easier.Andy better stop tellin him not to run because he may be on IR sooner than later because of the putrid Oline.This guy has been taking beating after beating because of horrible game planning,play calling,and a non existent Offensive line.

The whole world knew the Cardinals were going to blitz Vick relentlessly so why are we calling 25 pass plays and only giving one of the best running backs in the league 5 carries in the first half? This team disgust me and i can no longer support this team until the fat man is out. The whole league knows our playbook yet we continue to make Vick pass 50/60 times a game while he's getting blitzed.

No qb is successful with pressure in their face all the time. Did you see Rodgers on Monday?sacked 8 times. Vick's only problem is the turn overs,but thats bound to happen if a qb is getting harrassed and rag tagged all game. And now we have Lesean running his mouth about the Giants.This team hadnt won anything but they act is if they have. The Giants are gonna kill this team. Mark my word Vick wont finish the game. Hes already been getting up slow and holding his ribs the last 2 weeks. This will be yet another sh**ty gameplan by Andy Reid and company.Book it! They never cease to amaze me.

 

[drummer]

How is the underground cell at the stadium?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

 

[dawhole9]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004. Vick was perfect even in 2010 until Marty Morninweg said he wanted Vick to stay in the pocket more and be more like Steve Young. If something aint broke why go and F with it. They shouldve left him alone. Now hes just a sitting duck waiting to get F by defenses. You dont take away what a qb does best and replace it with what he's not so good at. Vick can be an effecient passer but he is not Peyton Manning or Steve Young. Vick made it to the NFC game for the Falcons with his legs and no number 1 reciever he only needed to work on his mechanics which the Eagles fixed and they shouldve left him alone after that he was perfect,but they kept tampering and now the guy is ruined.they got him thinking to much and confused.

 

[drummer]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004. Vick was perfect even in 2010 until Marty Morninweg said he wanted Vick to stay in the pocket more and be more like Steve Young. If something aint broke why go and F with it. They shouldve left him alone. Now hes just a sitting duck waiting to get F by defenses. You dont take away what a qb does best and replace it with what he's not so good at. Vick can be an effecient passer but he is not Peyton Manning or Steve Young. Vick made it to the NFC game for the Falcons with his legs and no number 1 reciever he only needed to work on his mechanics which the Eagles fixed and they shouldve left him alone after that he was perfect,but they kept tampering and now the guy is ruined.they got him thinking to much and confused.

We had a name for Mornhinweg in SF. It had moron in it.

 

[dawhole9]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004. Vick was perfect even in 2010 until Marty Morninweg said he wanted Vick to stay in the pocket more and be more like Steve Young. If something aint broke why go and F with it. They shouldve left him alone. Now hes just a sitting duck waiting to get F by defenses. You dont take away what a qb does best and replace it with what he's not so good at. Vick can be an effecient passer but he is not Peyton Manning or Steve Young. Vick made it to the NFC game for the Falcons with his legs and no number 1 reciever he only needed to work on his mechanics which the Eagles fixed and they shouldve left him alone after that he was perfect,but they kept tampering and now the guy is ruined.they got him thinking to much and confused.

We had a name for Mornhinweg in SF. It had moron in it.

He is one of the dumbest offensive cordinators i have ever seen in my life. I completely understand why the Lions fired that idiot.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004.

Well yeah, most QBs tend to peak in the middle of their careers, so the fact that McNabb never had a better season than he did in 2004 is the polar opposite of surprising; not to mention 2004 was the only year where he had a legit WR1 for a full season in Terrell Owens.

 

[drummer]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004. Vick was perfect even in 2010 until Marty Morninweg said he wanted Vick to stay in the pocket more and be more like Steve Young. If something aint broke why go and F with it. They shouldve left him alone. Now hes just a sitting duck waiting to get F by defenses. You dont take away what a qb does best and replace it with what he's not so good at. Vick can be an effecient passer but he is not Peyton Manning or Steve Young. Vick made it to the NFC game for the Falcons with his legs and no number 1 reciever he only needed to work on his mechanics which the Eagles fixed and they shouldve left him alone after that he was perfect,but they kept tampering and now the guy is ruined.they got him thinking to much and confused.

We had a name for Mornhinweg in SF. It had moron in it.

He is one of the dumbest offensive cordinators i have ever seen in my life. I completely understand why the Lions fired that idiot.

But he does understand a QB in the WCO. Look at Jeff Garcia in 2000 in SF. Steve Young in 1998. Young has praised MM in the past as well. A QB in the WCO needs to be mobile. But not in the sense of running first. Young was a run first QB back in the day, and Garcia had happy feet in the pocket. Garcia alone who has nothing on Vick as far as physical attributes should give MM some credence. Garcia went to the Pro-Bowl in 2000 on a 6-10 team (along with TO which was both their first time ever in the PB with a bad defense), 31 tds, 10 ints, for over 4000 yards. Jeff Garcia. In his second year in the NFL.

 

[delusional]

This is Reids Square peg Round Hole philosophy that has been in play for years here.

Example....

Have an offense that works around short to medium passes with WRs earning YAC....with a QB who was notoriously inaccurate in the short passing game & below average WRs.

I do see it happening though, there have been less and less designed plays for Vick himself. Most his scrambling ability is him having to run for his life because that poor ### o line broke down. When was the last time you seen the guy in shotgun formation too? Teams just don't respect his running ability because Reid doesn't use it as a weapon anymore. Same thing happened with McNabb....Reid is HIGHLY overrated

 

[Please See Mine]

How is the underground cell at the stadium?

non-existent, genius.

 

[Shutout]

I see the reasons for trying to limit Vick running because we all know he's not ever going to make it through a season under his old style.

With that being said, however, I agree with the OP. I think I would rather have 12 games with Vick as one of the most feared weapons in fantasy than 16 as he is. I really hadn't thought much about it at all until I played against him in fantasy last week. There was a time when I would have been on the edge of my seat watching what Vick was doing when i faced him. Last week, I didn't care. the illustrates my own personal evolution in how much his use has waned (at least in my opinion). If Newton and Rodgers and RGIII can be more than one thing, I'm sure Vick could be too..if he were used correctly. Clearly, he is not and teams are now pinning their ears back and unleashing the hounds on him.

 

[azgroover]

You're probably right about Andy's incorrect use of Vick, but in regard to McNabb, Andy was fully responsible for making McNabb as good as he was, he most certainly did not ruin him. McNabb did better on the Eagles than he would have done on pretty much any other team in the league.

Mcnabb's play decreased significantly after that superbowl season when he said he didnt want to be known as a runnning qb he never had another season as good as 2004. Vick was perfect even in 2010 until Marty Morninweg said he wanted Vick to stay in the pocket more and be more like Steve Young. If something aint broke why go and F with it. They shouldve left him alone. Now hes just a sitting duck waiting to get F by defenses. You dont take away what a qb does best and replace it with what he's not so good at. Vick can be an effecient passer but he is not Peyton Manning or Steve Young. Vick made it to the NFC game for the Falcons with his legs and no number 1 reciever he only needed to work on his mechanics which the Eagles fixed and they shouldve left him alone after that he was perfect,but they kept tampering and now the guy is ruined.they got him thinking to much and confused.

We had a name for Mornhinweg in SF. It had moron in it.

That's a much more endearing term than what Lions fans called him.

 

[delusional]

I see the reasons for trying to limit Vick running because we all know he's not ever going to make it through a season under his old style.

With that being said, however, I agree with the OP. I think I would rather have 12 games with Vick as one of the most feared weapons in fantasy than 16 as he is. I really hadn't thought much about it at all until I played against him in fantasy last week. There was a time when I would have been on the edge of my seat watching what Vick was doing when i faced him. Last week, I didn't care. the illustrates my own personal evolution in how much his use has waned (at least in my opinion). If Newton and Rodgers and RGIII can be more than one thing, I'm sure Vick could be too..if he were used correctly. Clearly, he is not and teams are now pinning their ears back and unleashing the hounds on him.

Cause then can without the threat of a consistent running game.

 

[dawhole9]

I see the reasons for trying to limit Vick running because we all know he's not ever going to make it through a season under his old style.

With that being said, however, I agree with the OP. I think I would rather have 12 games with Vick as one of the most feared weapons in fantasy than 16 as he is. I really hadn't thought much about it at all until I played against him in fantasy last week. There was a time when I would have been on the edge of my seat watching what Vick was doing when i faced him. Last week, I didn't care. the illustrates my own personal evolution in how much his use has waned (at least in my opinion). If Newton and Rodgers and RGIII can be more than one thing, I'm sure Vick could be too..if he were used correctly. Clearly, he is not and teams are now pinning their ears back and unleashing the hounds on him.

Cause then can without the threat of a consistent running game.

Exactly and our bone headed joke of a coach loves to call plays in which the routes take 5/6 seconds to develop while Vick is getting blitzed. Oh and he loves the play action. But there's one thing. Play action doesnt work if you NEVER run the d*** ball.

 

[Jewell]

Andy Reid ruined Vick

Michael Vick's IQ (or lack thereof) ruined Michael Vick. Vick has great phyical attributes, but his horrible decision making (both on and off the field) will always hamper him.

 

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Hey gordongekko, that's a pretty impressive post!

 

[CrazyFox]

Vick has always been an inaccurate and average QB. He's also always been a talented athlete with flash that can make things happen on his unique skill set. He's always had ups and downs....an incredible sportscenter highlight that has you shocked....and then a fumble or an Int or whatever. It's not Reid's fault. Vick has been around a long time. He is what he is. Good and Bad.

 

[Bri]

Father time had nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

Randall was the sweetest ever and probably the prototype at switching from running QB to pocket QB.

McNabb did alright-they won a lot of games with McNabb.

Vick may not adjust, but he'll have to learn and try. Older Randall and McNabb moved around to buy time moreso than running forward. You could see an acceptance in that; Vick doesn't seem to have that yet.<br><br><br>OK might get some flack but...<br>Daunte was a beast and phenomenal QB with wheels, then possibly worst ever without. <br>It's always been curious how some teams want a running QB to accept age and loss of wheels and become a pocket passer then replace them with a runner. A running QB is definitely a young man's position.<br>

 

[BoltBacker]

I see the reasons for trying to limit Vick running because we all know he's not ever going to make it through a season under his old style.

Over the years it seems like quite a few mobile QB's have been injured inside the pocket, perhaps playing to their own weakness to prove they are more a QB than an athlete.I'm not sure why more mobile QB's don't use the sideline and slides to their advantage. In general when QB/WR's fight for every last yard(unless it's a goal line situation or something) I always wait for something bad to happen. Martz and those Rams receivers had it right... get the most yards you can, avoid a possible turnover or injury by being hit by 2-3 guys, bounce up and live to fight another day. Seems to me players are safer in space than being surrounded by guys rolling around their legs.

 

[belljr]

I think there had to be this same thread when Vick was on the falcons. It was always he had no WR to throw too, that's why he can't throw. Yes he took them to the playoffs on his legs but he was an awful thrower/decision maker then and continues to be the same now. All the Eagles fans around here couldn't wait to dump McNabb and have Vick take the team to greatness. Wash and repeat. Same story different team...

 

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Vick gets hurt more often when he is in the pocket than when he is running. He needs to run MORE not less.