Annonymous exposes Steubenville Rape Case (1 Viewer)

[glock]

I thought this was great.

http://gawker.com/59...y-good-students

Spot on. Unfortunate? Yes. But we do make our own "fortune."

 

[B-Deep]

IT was not "a decision"

They decided to violate her. Decided to do it again. Decided to carry her around. Decided to joke about it. Decided to text about it and video it...etc...

It was a pattern. Beyond that, there are some decisions that should ruin your life, and deciding to rape someone is one of those. Your life deserves to be ruined once you make that decision.

 

[gianmarco]

IT was not "a decision"They decided to violate her. Decided to do it again. Decided to carry her around. Decided to joke about it. Decided to text about it and video it...etc...It was a pattern. Beyond that, there are some decisions that should ruin your life, and deciding to rape someone is one of those. Your like deserves to be ruined once you make that decision.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I thought this was great.

http://gawker.com/59...y-good-students

Spot on. Unfortunate? Yes. But we do make our own "fortune."

"For readers interested in learning more about how not to be labeled as registered sex offenders, a good first step is not to rape unconscious women, no matter how good your grades are. Regardless of the strength of your GPA (weighted or unweighted), if you commit rape, there is a possibility you may someday be convicted of a sex crime. This is because of your decision to commit a sex crime instead of going for a walk, or reading a book by Cormac McCarthy. Your ability to perform calculus or play football is generally not taken into consideration in a court of law. Should you prefer to be known as "Good student and excellent football player Trent Mays" rather than "Convicted sex offender Trent Mays," try stressing the studying and tackling and giving the sex crimes a miss altogether."

 

[culdeus]

Why were they tried as a minor? Can the charges get upgraded later as they are older? They can do that in Texas in some cases IIRC.

 

[Rayderr]

Why were they tried as a minor? Can the charges get upgraded later as they are older? They can do that in Texas in some cases IIRC.

I was kinda surprised to see them tried as minors as well. Looking through the Ohio law, it would seem that they were certainly eligible to be tried as adults.From the Ohio Bar

Q: At what age can a child be tried as an adult in Ohio and what is the process?A: A child, defined as a person under age 18, can be tried as an adult only if the child was age 14 or older at the time of the offense. Nearly all such cases begin in juvenile court with a felony charge. The court must conduct hearings and make certain determinations before the child can be transferred to another court for trial. The process is sometimes referred to as bindover, transfer, waiver, or relinquishment proceedings. In some cases, the child must be tried as an adult. In others, the child can be tried as an adult only if the court orders it. Q: When is trial as an adult required?A: Trial as an adult is mandatory in certain very serious cases: (1) when the charge is aggravated murder or murder, and the child is 16 or 17, or the child is 14 or 15 and has been committed to an Ohio Department of Youth Services (DYS) facility; and (2) when the charge is a certain serious felony offense, and the child is age 16 or 17 and either has previously been committed to a DYS facility or used a firearm while committing the offense. If the court finds that these conditions exist and that there is probable cause to believe that the child committed the offense, the child must stand trial as an adult. There are also other limited circumstances in which the child must stand trial as an adult. Q: When can a court decide whether or not to try a child as an adult?A: When the law does not require transfer, the court has a choice whether to try a child as an adult, but may do so only if the child was 14 years or older at the time of a felony offense. First, the court conducts a hearing to determine if there is probable cause that the child committed the offense. Next, the court orders an investigation, including a mental examination, and conducts another hearing, often called an “amenability” hearing, to decide whether or not the child is likely to be rehabilitated within the juvenile system, and whether or not the community’s safety requires that the child be subject to adult penalties. Some of the factors the court considers are age, physical and mental maturity, past attempts and future potential for rehabilitation, harm suffered by the victim, use of a firearm, and public safety.Q: What happens after a juvenile court orders the child to stand trial as an adult?A: After the transfer is ordered, the court will set the terms of bail and order custody of the child to be transferred to the custody of the appropriate authority. The juvenile court’s authority over that case is then terminated. Once tried and if convicted, any sentence of incarceration is to an adult facility. Likewise, any probation is supervised by probation officers who supervise adult offenders. If the offense the child was ultimately convicted or pled guilty to in adult court would not have required a mandatory bindover or permitted a discretionary bindover, the adult court will transfer the case back to juvenile court for further consideration. Q: Can other measures be taken when a youth commits a serious or violent offense?A: If a child’s case remains in juvenile court, there are other alternatives. When there are multiple charges, the court may impose consecutive sentences in a secure DYS facility. If a firearm was used in the offense and specified in the complaint, the child must be committed to DYS and must serve additional time, ranging from one to five years, for using the firearm. Lastly, in certain circumstances, the court may impose a “serious youthful offender” (SYO) sentence in which a child is given a traditional juvenile sentence as well as an “adult” sentence that is “stayed” or delayed. The child may not have to serve the adult portion of the sentence at all if he or she successfully completes the juvenile portion of the sentence. If the child is older than age 14 and commits certain conduct or offenses while serving the juvenile portion of the SYO sentence (indicating that rehabilitation in the juvenile system is not likely), the child can be sentenced to an adult correctional facility or to adult probation.

 

[bigbottom]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

I think people are also being too hard on Crowley. At least for me personally, I have no problem agreeing with the verdict/sentence and also feeling sick for the perpetrators. These two kids (and they are kids) made some decisions that they're going to regret for the rest of their lives and that can never be undone. I don't see why it takes all that much imagination to feel some sympathy for them even if you completely support the outcome of the criminal justice system in this case.

Yeah if she had done that fine. But she went on and on about how THEIR lives were ruined and how they were such great kids who had this great future and now it was all gone. Not one mention of the girl they raped on video and how her life is a whole lot worse now as well. Sorry I have zero sympathy for these kids. None. They were proud of what they did. They thought it was funny. Now they get to really enjoy it. They should have been tried as adults and they should be doing adult jail time.

This isn't the case of making bad decisions. These punks carried an unconscious girl from party to party, raped her, took pictures, sent texts bragging about it, joke about and pissed on her naked body. They were absolutely brutal and I cannot feel any sympathy for them at all.

Youthful Indiscretions

 

[Henry Ford]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

You may need to step away from that super magnet. Your moral compass seems to have lost true north here.

Hypothetically speaking, do you feel there is absolutely no delineation between being blotto drunk and being raped as opposed to being sober and being accosted. Maybe my moral compass is off, I think its "worse", relative to a concept, to be sober. Not to say I don't have sympathy for this girl, nor do I think it absolves the creeps who did this. But I think an equivalency with the brutality of a consciously realized rape is a false one. I do.

Have we stopped trying to say they aren't responsible and moved on to "she wasn't hurt as badly as you think" now? Are you a defense attorney by any chance?

No, I'm not, and no one is absolving them. But are these now allowable questions to consider? This case is tried and done. What can be learned from this experience.

Are what allowable questions to consider?So far I've heard "to what degree is she responsible for what happened?" and "isn't it not as bad to have raped her while she was passed out, as opposed to her being fully awake and living through it?"Sure. Consider it. But if you don't want people to think you're kind of a ####, you shouldn't consider it out loud or in writing.

 

[Sweet J]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[bigbottom]

Has this been posted yet?

Life imitates art.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

IT was not "a decision"They decided to violate her. Decided to do it again. Decided to carry her around. Decided to joke about it. Decided to text about it and video it...etc...It was a pattern. Beyond that, there are some decisions that should ruin your life, and deciding to rape someone is one of those. Your life deserves to be ruined once you make that decision.

I agree with all of this, but that doesn't stop me from feeling bad for the perpetrators. All of us instinctively seem to have an easy time imagining that the girl in this case is our daughter. Well, what if one of these boys was your son? It's hard to predict exactly what you'd be thinking right now since that's such an extreme situation, but I imagine I'd be sick over this. Part of that would be second-guessing my role as a parent, but a big part of it would also be simple grief over seeing my kid's life destroyed even if I know full well that that justice is being done.

 

[NCCommish]

IT was not "a decision"

They decided to violate her. Decided to do it again. Decided to carry her around. Decided to joke about it. Decided to text about it and video it...etc...

It was a pattern. Beyond that, there are some decisions that should ruin your life, and deciding to rape someone is one of those. Your life deserves to be ruined once you make that decision.

I agree with all of this, but that doesn't stop me from feeling bad for the perpetrators. All of us instinctively seem to have an easy time imagining that the girl in this case is our daughter. Well, what if one of these boys was your son? It's hard to predict exactly what you'd be thinking right now since that's such an extreme situation, but I imagine I'd be sick over this. Part of that would be second-guessing my role as a parent, but a big part of it would also be simple grief over seeing my kid's life destroyed even if I know full well that that justice is being done.

He better hope the PD is good and the jail food is fresh because he would be getting to know both real well.

 

[Nikki2200]

Has this been posted yet?

OMG. I didn't realize that was from the Onion and I was watching this in shock and horror.

 

[NCCommish]

Has this been posted yet?

Not that different from some of the coverage we've seen of this case. Everyone pretty much led with this sucked for the boys when the verdict came out. If they didn't lead with a shaming for the girl and then go to how it sucked for the boys. It's ####### disgusting.

 

[culdeus]

Has this been posted yet?

You may be over-generalizing a bit here.

 

[NCCommish]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[Doug B]

Yahoo News says the victim has forced the town into an emotional situation. As the trial unfolded in the small town of Steubenville, OH, over the past several weeks, Yahoo News set up a clear narrative: The town is being torn apart from the pain over the fact that the boys might be punished, not from the outrage over the crime they committed. Yahoo's story on the verdict was more of the same, describing the courtroom as "filled with sobbing and exhausting emotion" and the victim as "an intoxicated 16-year-old girl" in the first paragraph.

Might be a subtle distinction, but I don't have a problem with what Yahoo News did here. If that's the actual state of the town, and Yahoo News is accurately portraying the situation on the ground ... then that's on Steubenville. Yahoo News would only look bad, IMHO, if they were running editorials defending the rapists.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Yahoo News says the victim has forced the town into an emotional situation. As the trial unfolded in the small town of Steubenville, OH, over the past several weeks, Yahoo News set up a clear narrative: The town is being torn apart from the pain over the fact that the boys might be punished, not from the outrage over the crime they committed. Yahoo's story on the verdict was more of the same, describing the courtroom as "filled with sobbing and exhausting emotion" and the victim as "an intoxicated 16-year-old girl" in the first paragraph.

Might be a subtle distinction, but I don't have a problem with what Yahoo News did here. If that's the actual state of the town, and Yahoo News is accurately portraying the situation on the ground ... then that's on Steubenville. Yahoo News would only look bad, IMHO, if they were running editorials defending the rapists.

I'm also not seeing a problem with mentioning that the girl was drunk / passed out (a key piece of the story, and one that incriminates the boys), that the boys have to register as sex offenders (true), or that the boys completely ####ed up their lives in a single night (also true).

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Yahoo News says the victim has forced the town into an emotional situation. As the trial unfolded in the small town of Steubenville, OH, over the past several weeks, Yahoo News set up a clear narrative: The town is being torn apart from the pain over the fact that the boys might be punished, not from the outrage over the crime they committed. Yahoo's story on the verdict was more of the same, describing the courtroom as "filled with sobbing and exhausting emotion" and the victim as "an intoxicated 16-year-old girl" in the first paragraph.

Might be a subtle distinction, but I don't have a problem with what Yahoo News did here. If that's the actual state of the town, and Yahoo News is accurately portraying the situation on the ground ... then that's on Steubenville. Yahoo News would only look bad, IMHO, if they were running editorials defending the rapists.

I'm also not seeing a problem with mentioning that the girl was drunk / passed out (a key piece of the story, and one that incriminates the boys), that the boys have to register as sex offenders (true), or that the boys completely ####ed up their lives in a single night (also true).

Yeah. Mentioning that makes the boys seem like even bigger pieces of ####.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Or to put it a little differently, if I wanted the news media to take an active role in discouraging high school boys from raping passed-out girls, I would want them to emphasize the severity of the offense and the fact that if you do this and get convicted, it will literally ruin your life. Which is why I'm baffled as to why I'm supposed to be outraged over the those quotes.

 

[NCCommish]

Or to put it a little differently, if I wanted the news media to take an active role in discouraging high school boys from raping passed-out girls, I would want them to emphasize the severity of the offense and the fact that if you do this and get convicted, it will literally ruin your life. Which is why I'm baffled as to why I'm supposed to be outraged over the those quotes.

Because there is a victim. And maybe her ruined life should be the one we care about. Their ruined lives are fine to mention but it should be done in a different tone than "poor babies". Which is pretty much the way most of these came off.

 

[B-Deep]

IT was not "a decision"They decided to violate her. Decided to do it again. Decided to carry her around. Decided to joke about it. Decided to text about it and video it...etc...It was a pattern. Beyond that, there are some decisions that should ruin your life, and deciding to rape someone is one of those. Your life deserves to be ruined once you make that decision.

I agree with all of this, but that doesn't stop me from feeling bad for the perpetrators. All of us instinctively seem to have an easy time imagining that the girl in this case is our daughter. Well, what if one of these boys was your son? It's hard to predict exactly what you'd be thinking right now since that's such an extreme situation, but I imagine I'd be sick over this. Part of that would be second-guessing my role as a parent, but a big part of it would also be simple grief over seeing my kid's life destroyed even if I know full well that that justice is being done.

and a large part would be feeling sick that my son destroyed someone else's lifeyou could say the same thing about any criminal's parentsbut asking the world to sympathize with the criminal is not going to go over well

 

[TobiasFunke]

Has this been posted yet?

If you want to see an even worse example, check out this redemption-style profile of a Philadelphia Flyers prospect from last month. It's unbelievably bad, start to finish. Takes 13 paragraphs to even mention that the guy's "soiled off-ice history" and "embarrassing situation" is a still-pending rape allegation.

 

[B-Deep]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope.

If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

 

[NCCommish]

Has this been posted yet?

And he's a minor league guy. Would they have even mentioned it if he was in the NHL?

 

[Doug B]

Because there is a victim. And maybe her ruined life should be the one we care about. Their ruined lives are fine to mention but it should be done in a different tone than "poor babies". Which is pretty much the way most of these came off.

Because the victim is unnamed (I think?), there's only so much play they can get out of hashing out her immediate future. For better or worse, the media can get a lot more dicussion mileage out of the future of the rapists.That said, any "poor babies" tone towards the rapists -- unless it's in holding up a mirror to the town to demonstrate Steubenville's abjectly-held priorities -- is obviously inappropriate.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Or to put it a little differently, if I wanted the news media to take an active role in discouraging high school boys from raping passed-out girls, I would want them to emphasize the severity of the offense and the fact that if you do this and get convicted, it will literally ruin your life. Which is why I'm baffled as to why I'm supposed to be outraged over the those quotes.

Because there is a victim. And maybe her ruined life should be the one we care about. Their ruined lives are fine to mention but it should be done in a different tone than "poor babies". Which is pretty much the way most of these came off.

I haven't watched a single second of cable/network news coverage on this (or anything else recently, for that matter), so if the tone of the reports is the issue I'll have to just defer to you on that one.

 

[Clifford]

So these rapists only got 1 and 2 years in juvy and register as sex offenders? I mean I have seen people get off light but this is ridiculous. Both of these "boys" are old enough to know right from wrong.

Hopefully some people in that town take care of what the justice system couldn't find a way to do.

ETA: Mays father said, "We're sorry for putting everybody through this...Ma'Lik's family, the community, the school, everybody else."

Someone should beat this guy within an inch of his life while his ####head rapist kid watches.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

 

[B-Deep]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

againyou need to point to these guys to do that?your kid may just say "1 year, big deal"i don't think anything about this teaches how their lives are destroyedrape is awful, rapists are scum, there lives deserve to be ruinedteach that to your child

 

[Clifford]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.Edit: I don't know if the felony conviction gets wiped when they turn 18 or 21 or whatever, but if not that's also a big deal.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.

I'm guessing not nearly as life-altering as getting gang-raped is.

 

[lod01]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Actually what you should hope for is the aliens to land and put me in charge. Within a week, I will clean up this country.

 

[Rayderr]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.Edit: I don't know if the felony conviction gets wiped when they turn 18 or 21 or whatever, but if not that's also a big deal.

IIRC correctly, the conviction will not be on their record, but they will have to be registered sex offenders for the rest of their lives.

 

[Clifford]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.Edit: I don't know if the felony conviction gets wiped when they turn 18 or 21 or whatever, but if not that's also a big deal.

Wow.

 

[NCCommish]

Because there is a victim. And maybe her ruined life should be the one we care about. Their ruined lives are fine to mention but it should be done in a different tone than "poor babies". Which is pretty much the way most of these came off.

Because the victim is unnamed (I think?), there's only so much play they can get out of hashing out her immediate future. For better or worse, the media can get a lot more dicussion mileage out of the future of the rapists.That said, any "poor babies" tone towards the rapists -- unless it's in holding up a mirror to the town to demonstrate Steubenville's abjectly-held priorities -- is obviously inappropriate.

Not any more. Fox named her today. Everyone else is redacting her name in their reports.

 

[NCCommish]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.Edit: I don't know if the felony conviction gets wiped when they turn 18 or 21 or whatever, but if not that's also a big deal.

So they may have drugged and certainly kidnapped this girl. They raped her ######lly and anally. They encouraged others to urinate on her. And a year or two is severe? As GB said up thread if she were my daughter you guys would be talking about how much time I should have gotten because they'd be dead as a door nail and I would have no trouble proclaiming I did it.

 

[Doug B]

Not any more. Fox named her today. Everyone else is redacting her name in their reports.

Jebus ... sensationalism really does trump all :(

 

[NCCommish]

Not any more. Fox named her today. Everyone else is redacting her name in their reports.

Jebus ... sensationalism really does trump all :(

It looks like more a case of sloppiness than intentional but still.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

if she were my daughter you guys would be talking about how much time I should have gotten because they'd be dead as a door nail and I would have no trouble proclaiming I did it.

Oh come on.

 

[lod01]

Because there is a victim. And maybe her ruined life should be the one we care about. Their ruined lives are fine to mention but it should be done in a different tone than "poor babies". Which is pretty much the way most of these came off.

Because the victim is unnamed (I think?), there's only so much play they can get out of hashing out her immediate future. For better or worse, the media can get a lot more dicussion mileage out of the future of the rapists.That said, any "poor babies" tone towards the rapists -- unless it's in holding up a mirror to the town to demonstrate Steubenville's abjectly-held priorities -- is obviously inappropriate.

Not any more. Fox named her today. Everyone else is redacting her name in their reports.

CNN has had the upperhand with unprefessional journalism in the Jodi Arias case. Fox playing catchup.

 

[Rayderr]

Not any more. Fox named her today. Everyone else is redacting her name in their reports.

Jebus ... sensationalism really does trump all :(

CNN mentioned her name as well. In both cases, it came about as they were broadcasting the defendant's apology and he mentioned her by name.

CNN and Fox News aired a clip of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in the courtroom. Mays had addressed the victim by name, which was not censored during the broadcasts on Sunday and Monday, respectively. “I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community,” Mays said. “No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken.”

Sounds more like sloppiness than ill-will.

 

[Doug B]

CNN mentioned her name as well. In both cases, it came about as they were broadcasting the defendant's apology and he mentioned her by name.

Assuming this was carried live ... I guess not much could've been done, then.

CNN and Fox News aired a clip of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in the courtroom. Mays had addressed the victim by name, which was not censored during the broadcasts on Sunday and Monday, respectively.

"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community," Mays said. "No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken."

Taken on its own ... this sounds like Mays is miles away from really getting it. Hopefully, there was a lot more to his apology.

 

[Clifford]

if she were my daughter you guys would be talking about how much time I should have gotten because they'd be dead as a door nail and I would have no trouble proclaiming I did it.

Oh come on.

Honestly you need to step back and think about what you are writing.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

CNN mentioned her name as well. In both cases, it came about as they were broadcasting the defendant's apology and he mentioned her by name.

Assuming this was carried live ... I guess not much could've been done, then.

CNN and Fox News aired a clip of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in the courtroom. Mays had addressed the victim by name, which was not censored during the broadcasts on Sunday and Monday, respectively.

"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community," Mays said. "No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken."

Taken on its own ... this sounds like Mays is miles away from really getting it. Hopefully, there was a lot more to his apology.

Seriously. Taking a picture was wrong, but it was way down there on the list of things he did wrong that night.

 

[Doug B]

(aimed at Ivan K)

Honestly you need to step back and think about what you are writing.

All the side issues and deep thoughts people are bringing up can be boiled down to one question:Is there any room for nuance when exploring the moral angles of this case? Or is this one of the times when absolutism should be allowed to hold sway?

People will say the two are uncomparable, but as an example of a case where practically everyone felt there was no room for nuance, take the Jerry Sandusky case.

 

[Rayderr]

CNN mentioned her name as well. In both cases, it came about as they were broadcasting the defendant's apology and he mentioned her by name.

Assuming this was carried live ... I guess not much could've been done, then.

CNN and Fox News aired a clip of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in the courtroom. Mays had addressed the victim by name, which was not censored during the broadcasts on Sunday and Monday, respectively.

"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community," Mays said. "No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken."

Taken on its own ... this sounds like Mays is miles away from really getting it. Hopefully, there was a lot more to his apology.

DOesn't sound like it was live. But rather aired shortly after, so they quickly got moment on "tape" set the in and out points, and then ran it. Does sound like it was only her first name mentioned. (Hard to get an accurate story since it's mostly left wing blogs going after Fox for being Fox. Huffington Post has been the only place I've seen actually mention that CNN made the error too.)

 

[Rayderr]

Oops, looks like MSNBC also aired the name.

CNN, Fox News and MSNBC recently aired the name of the underage victim in the Steubenville rape trial during reports about the case.Two high school football players were found guilty of raping a 16-year old girl in a controversial case in Steubenville, Ohio. The verdict was handed down on Sunday.All three cable news networks aired a clip of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in the courtroom. Mays had addressed the victim by name, which was not censored during CNN and MSNBC's broadcasts on Sunday and Fox News' broadcast on Monday. Local CBS affiliate WTRF also aired the clip without editing the victim's name out.“I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community,” Mays said. “No picture should have been sent around, let alone even taken.”As Raw Story, which reported on Fox News airing the victim's name on Monday, noted, the National Alliance to End Sexual Violence encourages news outlets not to publish the names of minors alleging sexual abuse or rape, or to report information that will make the minors identifiable. Earlier, FoxNews.com had redacted the defendants' names in an Associated Press report about the Steubenville trial, saying in an editor's note, "The Associated Press named the minors charged due to the fact they have been identified in other news coverage and their names were used in open court. FoxNews.com will not name the defendants.”CNN's coverage of the trial also came under fire on Sunday, for focusing on the effect the verdict will have on the defendants rather than the victim. The network, however, did edit the victim's name out during Monday's broadcast.NOTE: This story has been updated to reflect that CNN, MSNBC and CBS affiliate WTRF also aired the name of the victim during their broadcasts.

 

[Chaka]

If we have to use an example like this to teach teenagers that rape is bad we are beyond ####### hope. If that is not something we simply expect human beings to accept as a given, then screw it, have the aliens lay waste to us now

Obviously you want to teach kids that rape is wrong for all of the ordinary philosophical reasons against it. That said, I have no problem also letting people know that the penalties for rape are severe, that you won't be spared just because you have a good GPA or can drill a 15 yeard out, and that a conviction carries lifelong consequences as a registered sex offender. Some people respond more directly to threats of punishment than appeals to the angels of their better nature.

What penalties can you point to in this case that you consider "severe" for gang-rape?

A year or two in juvenile prison and lifetime (I think) sex offender registration. That's life-altering when we're talking about 16 year olds.Edit: I don't know if the felony conviction gets wiped when they turn 18 or 21 or whatever, but if not that's also a big deal.

IIRC correctly, the conviction will not be on their record, but they will have to be registered sex offenders for the rest of their lives.

According to NPR coverage (why does anyone get news anywhere else is baffling to me) whether or not they have to register as sex offenders is up to the judge upon the completion of their sentences.