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I think you're missing the forest for the trees here. POTUS and right-wing groups have been blaming Antifa specifically for the riots for days. Did you call any of them out for it? Literally, the Twitter account in question was called out in this very thread as proof that Antifa is to blame. Yet, it's not newsworthy when that specific Twitter account is shown to be right-wing militants posing as Antifa? You're on an island on this one.
Your opinion is that everyone else is wrong about this. We are saying you are wrong about this and it is newsworthy given the situation
I really don't care what label is put on a group. Antifa, white nationalists...whatever. it is all meaningless political rhetoric. Each side is looking for boogymen. The fact is we have cities in flames, people looting, and massive violence in the streets. That is real.
What exactly am i wrong about? And please don't put fake words in my mouth like is always done in this place.
Sometimes labels do matter. When Group X simultaneously poses as Group Y to incite violence and goes on TV screaming about Group Y inciting violence, it matters. When POTUS picks up that screaming about Group Y and amplifies it, it matters.
I suggest you pause and take a breath. You’re unnecessarily digging your heels on something I’m guessing you don’t actually feel that strongly about (not trying to put words in your mouth - this stems from my view of you as a reasonable and rational person). Reporting isn’t a finite resource. There is tons of reporting on the looting, arson and violence. I’ve been consuming that reporting pretty much constantly for days now. It’s not going to get drowned out by a story about this fake twitter account.
My understanding is Antifa is not really a group, it is just a term for those militant against what they see as fascism. Doesn't seem that far off. There is violence going on and it is coming from the left. It is pretty obvious.
I'd hazard to say that 99% of the people protesting in the streets and 100% of the rioters/looters didn't vote Trump
Yah, reporting of something is not the problem* it’s the crappy use of said reporting to make a crappy Argument by crappy people that’s the problem. That’s a generality, not aimed at a poster here.
Joe is old school.“Police need to be trained when being charged by an unarmed man with a knife, to shoot him in the leg instead of the heart”
Joe Biden
We have terrible disinformation campaigns going on in social media. Actors are trying to divide us. It's not going to get any better as we get closer to the election. We have too many Americans who are falling for this fake crap and sharing it with others. We even have that going on here and we're largely wiser than your average American (in my opinion). The American public needs to be continually warned about this stuff. I welcome all such articles as long as they are truthful.
I feel strongly about agenda driven media which has been dominated by the left for decades. I am sick of them telling us everytime conservatives demonstrate they are all white nationalist because they found one clown. Or in this case, making headlines about one clown to distract from the leftwing roots of these riots.
So it doesn't matter if their are white nationalists groups out there taking advantage of this situation...as long as the news is putting the screws to the left you are happy. Lucky for you can just watch fox news all day
My guess since 40% of Americans don't even vote in the first place and the voting numbers by young people is also low, alot of the rioters/looters don't vote for anyone.
and notice the big broad brush that if you didn't vote for Trump you are left wing...it's better to not engage in this
Well, the report is newsworthy given the prior notoriety of this particular account. I’m sorry it bothers you.
I think this varies so much by city. In MKE i would say 95% general protesters. 5% various chuckleheads. During the day it is more like 99.5% general. At night mostly troublemakers.
I'd say "opportunistic anarchists", "organized anarchists" and "opportunistic criminals". It seems that there are organized peaceful protests where organized anarchists get opportunistic anarchists to begin rioting and looting. Then opportunistic criminals start looting in other sections of the city once they see that the police force is either stretched too thin or will not do anything to prevent the criminal activity. I think I saw reports that there were also instances where organized white supremacists will infiltrate the rioting and looting and pose as leftists anarchists. But general protestors and organized movements I don't believe are behind any of this. Donald Trump, what?
Well i think a lot of the damage is done by anarchists I don't think i would even say they are the ones responsible for the looting. Anarchists aren't ones to steal a big screen tv. Super generalization but i think the looting is mostly just criminals. If they weren't doing this they would be stealing from cars
When was it niteworthy? Did CNN or NBC ever reoort on this account. It was some rsndkm unverified account which anyone could make up in 10 seconds. I am sure some gulliable people ran with it. But that happens millions of times everyday.
The organized anarchists rile the crowds up and then the opportunistic anarchists riot/loot. Then the opportunistic criminals start looting in the neighborhoods.
Look at your typing. You’re clearly exercised about this. Seriously, take a pause.
I agree i think you need to take a breathe here
It directionally makes sense to me.
Just my opinion but I don't think many of these far left/far right groups of agitators are voting. They are just agitators.
That is truly sad. The message about the tragedy of George Floyd is being overtaken by those who hate America and wants to destroy her. How someone could defend Antifa and the destruction they are causing, is beyond belief. This violence and destruction of our cities isn't about George Floyd and everyone knows it. It's purely based upon their brown shirt ideology and destruction of America's beliefs, constitution, and way of life, disguised as a movement about George Floyd. The peaceful protesters message is lost because of the destruction.
Taking my own poll. Fire away.Can I ask, who is officially participating in the riots? In order of magnitude, assign a percentage. I think you knuckleheads agree more than you disagree.
General Protestors 5% (to me folks protesting who just get cuagut up in it)
Bad protestors 25% (protestors ready to cause trouble)
Opportunistic anarchists 15% (white skateboarders!!!)
Organized anarchists (far left antifa) 5-10%
Organized left movements (BLM, ACAB) 5-10%
Opportunistic criminals 30%
Organized White supremacists (far right) <5%
Donald Trump
Other?
