Another Tie Breaking question applying my own rules :bag: (1 Viewer)

[belljr]

So in a bit of embarrassment I forget how to apply my own tiebreakers. I'm figuring out scenarios to send out in a email and am not sure I am applying my logic correctly. We lost 2 teams this year so we went from 3 divisions to 2. I don't need an argument on using H2h as we have used the same tiebreakers since 94 and try to mimic the NFL

So my divisional tiebreakers are easy:

1. H2H %

2. Division Record

3. Points

4-6 Other crap

Wildcard 2 clubs:

1. H2H

2. Total points

3-5 other crap

My Wildcard Tiebreakers for 3 or more teams.

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Total Points

So if I have Division 1

Team 1 10-3

Team 2 9-4

Team 3 7-6

Team 4 7-6

Team 5 5-8

Division 2

Team 6 9-4

Team 7 7-6

Team 8 7-6

Team 9 7-6

Team 10 6-7

So since we switched to 2 divisions my logic may be shot but since I have to apply division Tiebreaker in step 1 of 3teams. I'm always just going to be doing the 2 team Wildcard right?

So since the above is their division standing I would check Team 3 vs Team 7. Assume Team 7 advances. I then start over with Team 3 vs Team 8? This made much more sense with multiple divisions.

I think now that we are back to 2 divisions this may need to be revisited

 

[heckmanm]

Teams 1&6 win the divisions

Team 2 gets one of the 2 WC spots, obviously, as there's no tie

That leaves 3-4-7-8-9 all tied at 7-6

WC tiebreaker #1 says

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

So you would apply the division tiebreaker to 3 vs 4, and to 7 vs 8 vs 9, to get one WC candidate from each division

That puts you in the "Wildcard 2 clubs" scenario.

 

[belljr]

Teams 1&6 win the divisions

Team 2 gets one of the 2 WC spots, obviously, as there's no tie

That leaves 3-4-7-8-9 all tied at 7-6

WC tiebreaker #1 says

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

So you would apply the division tiebreaker to 3 vs 4, and to 7 vs 8 vs 9, to get one WC candidate from each division

That puts you in the "Wildcard 2 clubs" scenario.

Ok that's what I thought. I'll have to revisit this if we stay with 2 divisions. That was primarily from when we had 3. And since we now have 4 WC it "messes" it up. So I am correct in thinking those 5 teams playing for 3 WC each time would be a 2 team tie breaker as I move down.

Meaning 3 vs 7 in the first WC matchup since division ties are already broken.

Team 7 is now WC#1

Now it's Team 3 vs Team 8 - Team 3 wins tiebreaker

Team 3 is now WC#2

Fianl WC spot would be Team 4 vs Team 8.

 

[spodog]

So in a bit of embarrassment I forget how to apply my own tiebreakers. I'm figuring out scenarios to send out in a email and am not sure I am applying my logic correctly. We lost 2 teams this year so we went from 3 divisions to 2. I don't need an argument on using H2h as we have used the same tiebreakers since 94 and try to mimic the NFL

So my divisional tiebreakers are easy:

1. H2H %

2. Division Record

3. Points

4-6 Other crap

This does not mimic the NFL.

The NFL Division Champion Tiebreaker is:

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

 

[belljr]

So in a bit of embarrassment I forget how to apply my own tiebreakers. I'm figuring out scenarios to send out in a email and am not sure I am applying my logic correctly. We lost 2 teams this year so we went from 3 divisions to 2. I don't need an argument on using H2h as we have used the same tiebreakers since 94 and try to mimic the NFL

and to add we got rid of number 3 cuz everyone has the same amount of common opponents and we got rid of number 4 because we don't have conferences

So my divisional tiebreakers are easy:

1. H2H %

2. Division Record

3. Points

4-6 Other crap

This does not mimic the NFL.

The NFL Division Champion Tiebreaker is:

• Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
• Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
• Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
• Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
• Strength of victory.
• Strength of schedule.
• Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
• Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
• Best net points in common games.
• Best net points in all games.
• Best net touchdowns in all games.
• Coin toss

Ummm I'm asking about the wild card so I already am happy with our divisionand to add we got rid of number 3 because everybody has the same amount of common opponents and we got rid of number for cuz we don't have conferences

 

[Maelstrom]

Teams 1&6 win the divisions

Team 2 gets one of the 2 WC spots, obviously, as there's no tie

That leaves 3-4-7-8-9 all tied at 7-6

WC tiebreaker #1 says

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

So you would apply the division tiebreaker to 3 vs 4, and to 7 vs 8 vs 9, to get one WC candidate from each division

That puts you in the "Wildcard 2 clubs" scenario.

Ok that's what I thought. I'll have to revisit this if we stay with 2 divisions. That was primarily from when we had 3. And since we now have 4 WC it "messes" it up. So I am correct in thinking those 5 teams playing for 3 WC each time would be a 2 team tie breaker as I move down.

Meaning 3 vs 7 in the first WC matchup since division ties are already broken.

Team 7 is now WC#1

Now it's Team 3 vs Team 8 - Team 3 wins tiebreaker

Team 3 is now WC#2

Fianl WC spot would be Team 4 vs Team 8.

Yes, the thing a lot of people get wrong is not starting over each time. You have to start over with the remaining teams each time a team wins through the WC process.

 

[belljr]

Teams 1&6 win the divisions

Team 2 gets one of the 2 WC spots, obviously, as there's no tie

That leaves 3-4-7-8-9 all tied at 7-6

WC tiebreaker #1 says

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

So you would apply the division tiebreaker to 3 vs 4, and to 7 vs 8 vs 9, to get one WC candidate from each division That puts you in the "Wildcard 2 clubs" scenario.

Ok that's what I thought. I'll have to revisit this if we stay with 2 divisions. That was primarily from when we had 3. And since we now have 4 WC it "messes" it up. So I am correct in thinking those 5 teams playing for 3 WC each time would be a 2 team tie breaker as I move down.Meaning 3 vs 7 in the first WC matchup since division ties are already broken.

Team 7 is now WC#1

Now it's Team 3 vs Team 8 - Team 3 wins tiebreaker

Team 3 is now WC#2

Fianl WC spot would be Team 4 vs Team 8.

Yes, the thing a lot of people get wrong is not starting over each time. You have to start over with the remaining teams each time a team wins through the WC process.

thanks... i knew that but for some reason was thinking I needed to go through the steps with everyone at the same time then start over. But since I break division ties in step 1 I never really have a 3 team wc