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Their was a little talk of Anthony, but surprisingly the feeling in the Shark Pool is hes a little overvalued. I'm almost positive hes going to have a 70+ Rec / 1100 yd season ut some projections have him doing much less than that.
man if he has that kind of year i will be more than surprised. but def happy. he is def a keeper right now and YES OVER CHRIS HENRY!!!.
Reggie Wayne has been the #1 WR in Indy for 3 years now.
"3 years now" is an exaggeration. Wayne has been the #1 WR in Indy since Week 4 of the 2007 season (i.e., 1 3/4 seasons ago).
Agreed that Wayne has been the number 1 wr in Indy during that time, but I think Harrison still lined up on the right a lot more than Wayne did which often becomes the number 1 read for a right handed QB. I think Wayne will move to the right side a lot more this season and would be shocked if Wayne does not catch 85 plus balls. Wayne's last 4 year reception totals are 83, 86, 104, 82 (in what many call a down year last year). I think to many people are down on Wayne and he has actually become an un sexy pick. Therefore his value is great this year. Clark, Gonzo are good enough to keep teams honest enough that Wayne should/could have a huge year.
Apparently he is taking Harrisons role in the offense. Wayne has actually been the #1 option in the indy offense for about 2 years now. some would argue 3 years, but I dont think that is important to this discussion.Anthony Gonzalez will get a nice role in this offense and if he can deliver, he will put up some nice numbers.
They also targeted the back up TE a lot. Peyton is probably trying to build some chemistry with both of them.
I'm concerned about the Colts O-Line - but not because of the Vikings game, since the RT that caused many of the problems in the Vikings game was cut. I've been giving week by week progress of the Colts O-Line in my Charlie Johnson thread - and so far my conclusion is that Charlie Johnson isn't good, but last week Ugoh was completely awful.
yeah i remember reading that thread i immediately thought of that when i saw the highlights from the vikings game. peyton almost lost his head he was getting drilled so much. so what do you think this means? is ugoh going to play RT with johnson at LT? let's say the season starts with those two guys, how would it affect your willingness to draft Manning in the 3rd, Wayne in the 2nd, Clark and Gonzo wherever?and what about Addai and Brown? do you think this has less of an effect on them and more effect on the passing game? ... to the extent that pass offense/run offense can be looked at separately, as they are both dependent on each other.
Ugoh is a backup now. Ryan Diem is their RT - he's been their RT for years. He's always has been adequate, but not great against speed rushers. Charlie Johnson might be OK in running situations - but he doesn't have the feet to deal with speed rushers. I expect TEs and RBs to stay in or make a lot of chip blocks if they need to run routes. From what I've read, the problem with Ugoh was his inconstistency - and if someone takes 5 plays off a game, it is hard to plan for. Johnson is not as talented, but they can plan for some of his physical limitations if they just get consistency from him.I expect the running game to look better than last year - pretty much because it can't be worse than last year. They did open some running lanes in both pre-season games - Addai looks sharp so far in pre-season - Brown looked good in the Vikings game but that was against backups.
That ceiling is pretty high - only 4 WRs had over 1200 yards and 8+ TDs in 2008. Also, Harrison was not out last year - he started 15 games.Marvin had 60 receptions, 600+ yards and 5 TDs last year, and it was not Mannning's greatest year. That production will therefore go somewhere...Clark gets hurt too much for my taste. It's a pretty good assumption that Gonzalez gets half, at least, and has 1000 yards and 6-7 TDs as a reasonable estimate. Does he get more? Does Wayne go back to hist great 2007 season? That's a darn good question. But unless Dallas Clark catches 10+ TDs, those top 2 WRs are going to be pretty darn good.War Eagle said:
Good points. Clarification: the 15 starts is deceiving, Harrison was on the sideline alot with the knee and Gonzalez didn't step up, which also explains Mannings dip in production. Not to mention the O-Line who did not give him good protection. The ceiling is if the stars align best possible case scenario. I don't think he'll top 800 and 6, but he's drafted as if he'll go 1200 and 8.
Don't want to argue, but that just isn't accurate at all. Harrision was on the field a lot and got a lot of targets last year (he might have missed some plays here and there due to the knee). Whether it was Harrison losing his skills or Peyton being off with him, he didn't make a lot out of those targets (which his stats show). Gonzalez was the one that was off the field a lot last year. Harrison stunted the Colts passing game with very average play and commanded a lot of targets because of his history. Gonzalez will get a lot of those targets this year. Wayne will get some. Clark will get some. The WR3 (probably Collie) will get some. As people already stated, it is the O-line that is the question mark. Gonzalez has converted on something like 73% of his targets (which was 3rd in the league for WR last year). He should make the most of what he gets.
Maybe it just felt that way because he had such a crap year. Did he even top 100 receiving yards in a single game? I see now where he did have 107 targets, so I guess he did play a good bit.I just don't see Gonzalez doing much better than Harrison did last year.
Didn't Manning miss all of pre-season (including practices, not just games) due to a surgery? And then once the season started, he was especially slow? IMO that would be a better explanation for the whole Colts O not putting up the #'s they previously did.
