What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Antoine Winfield disgusted with the Vikes offense... (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
He basically is saying that he doesn't want to watch it anymore...will not be around the voluntary programs the Vikes have...basically is throwing in the towel before the season starts. I will provide the link in a second but I am going to predict that TJax apologists will still rally in this thread and point out that Winfield actually believes in him...and if we are talking dynasty then I can accept that arguement. But there have been other threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season...I wouldn't even want him as a QB3...honestly. I will never start him and I don't like players on my roster that I will never start other than backups to perhaps my RB1 in case of injuries.

The WR are a mess, no real TE, an inexperienced project QB...look folks there are 32 starting QBs in the league and they just simply cannot all be good. He has to be a candidate for bottom 5 QBs in the league this season in terms of pure FF points.

Here is the link. Winfield has seen enough

 
Last edited by a moderator:
do you blame him??

Jackson was an EXTREME reach, Williamson has yet (if ever to develop) . . . their only hope is AD or AP or whatever . . .

 
do you blame him??Jackson was an EXTREME reach, Williamson has yet (if ever to develop) . . . their only hope is AD or AP or whatever . . .
Hell no I don't blame him...it only echos what sevral of us have been saying since early march...and I bet he has figured out Rice is a fraud too...I bet he has little to no trouble covering Mr 5TDs against FIU/FAU/FFFU...this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year...the Vikes have another WR that went uber high from South Carolina already on their roster...who exactly is developing these WR in Vikingland..that's an honest question I don't even know the answer to.
 
There are two angles on this.

1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.

2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :thumbdown: than anyone thinks.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
he said Jackson is no payton manning, then went on to say good things about him....jackson wont get drafted in almost every redraft league and he probably shouldnt, I don't see what your all worked up about.

 
do you blame him??Jackson was an EXTREME reach, Williamson has yet (if ever to develop) . . . their only hope is AD or AP or whatever . . .
Hell no I don't blame him...it only echos what sevral of us have been saying since early march...and I bet he has figured out Rice is a fraud too...I bet he has little to no trouble covering Mr 5TDs against FIU/FAU/FFFU...this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year...the Vikes have another WR that went uber high from South Carolina already on their roster...who exactly is developing these WR in Vikingland..that's an honest question I don't even know the answer to.
I haven't seen anyone, anywhere around here saying that Rice was going to be worthwhile in redrafts. And the fact that both he and Rice are from the same school is BEYOND meaningless.
 
There are two angles on this.1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :thumbdown: than anyone thinks.
excellent post . . .
 
There are two angles on this.1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :thumbdown: than anyone thinks.
If I recall, it took a few years for the D guys in Houston to finally have enough of Carr and speak out about his sucktitude. Cudos to Winfield. Jackson is not starter material.
 
There are two angles on this.1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :link: than anyone thinks.
The point he is normally reserved makes your 2nd angle an even bigger :tfp:
 
There are two angles on this.1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :link: than anyone thinks.
The point he is normally reserved makes your 2nd angle an even bigger :tfp:
Uh...what?
 
There are two angles on this.1) I'm shocked that a normally reserved, purportedly classy guy that's one of the leaders on the team would be SO outspoken about it, especially at this stage.2) The fact that the normally reserved, pupropredly classy guy IS so outspoken about it may point to the fact that it's a bigger :link: than anyone thinks.
The point he is normally reserved makes your 2nd angle an even bigger :tfp:
Uh...what?
I just wanted to use the little train too in my post :D
 
Seems like he is unhappy with the inexperienced receiving crew. Instead of #####ing about it and not showing up to OTA’s, maybe he should come to the OTA’s and try and help the young WR’s learn how to beat DB’s.

 
Basically the Vikes are banking on their defense being as good as/better than last year and running the ball 35+ times a game with passing the ball being an afterthought. Their ideal game will be a 10-7 slugfest where they can run the ball 35 times. They'll be the Jag's of the NFC with worse passing.

 
Seems like he is unhappy with the inexperienced receiving crew. Instead of #####ing about it and not showing up to OTA’s, maybe he should come to the OTA’s and try and help the young WR’s learn how to beat DB’s.
:mellow: x 10That's what leads me to think that the situation is completely hopeless.
Basically the Vikes are banking on their defense being as good as/better than last year and running the ball 35+ times a game with passing the ball being an afterthought. Their ideal game will be a 10-7 slugfest where they can run the ball 35 times. They'll be the Jag's of the NFC with worse passing.
I think the defense WILL be better than last year. At the very least, it will be better balanced. They may not be the best run D (although it's possible), but their pass defense will be better.
 
http://vikingsnow.blogspot.com/2007/06/winfield-update.html

...Winfield was careful with his words, but he indicated that his issue was with the team's lack of effort to upgrade the offense. That, apparently, will compel him to continue to work out on his own and skip next week's Organized Team Activities.

"Pretty much, I’m going to do this thing on my own. Work out on my own. I don’t feel like I really need to be around here," he said. "I pretty much know the defense now. I know what I need to work on, when I’m away from here. I don’t think anything is going to change."

After that, Winfield had a telling comment, "They’re not going to bring in Peyton Manning, or anything like that."

Asked if personnel is his issue, Winfield said, "I'm not going to go into that.

"I’ll leave that one alone."

But Winfield also made clear that he believes in Tarvaris Jackson, despite his Manning comment.

"I thought he has the skills to play at this level. He has a great arm. He’s definitely picking up on his offense a lot better. Getting the ball out of his hands fast. Going through his reads," Winfield said of Jackson. "I definitely have a lot of confidence in him.

Although there is significant time before players have to report to training camp on July 25, Winfield said his issues will not get resolved.

"I don’t think it’ll be any change, or anything like that," he said.

"The team is not going to change," he later said. "Nothing is going to change.

As for training camp, Winfield said he will be there.
I don't know what Winfield issue is but IMO this is more of a non-story getting a lot of hype simply because there is nothing else to talk about this offseason.
 
I think the defense WILL be better than last year. At the very least, it will be better balanced. They may not be the best run D (although it's possible), but their pass defense will be better.
I agree and it will need to be if they want to even be 8-8.
 
Seems like he is unhappy with the inexperienced receiving crew. Instead of #####ing about it and not showing up to OTA’s, maybe he should come to the OTA’s and try and help the young WR’s learn how to beat DB’s.
that would require actual leadership abilities and extra effort . . .you are asking for way too much . . .
 
Last edited by a moderator:
http://vikingsnow.blogspot.com/2007/06/winfield-update.html

...Winfield was careful with his words, but he indicated that his issue was with the team's lack of effort to upgrade the offense. That, apparently, will compel him to continue to work out on his own and skip next week's Organized Team Activities.

"Pretty much, I’m going to do this thing on my own. Work out on my own. I don’t feel like I really need to be around here," he said. "I pretty much know the defense now. I know what I need to work on, when I’m away from here. I don’t think anything is going to change."

After that, Winfield had a telling comment, "They’re not going to bring in Peyton Manning, or anything like that."

Asked if personnel is his issue, Winfield said, "I'm not going to go into that.

"I’ll leave that one alone."

But Winfield also made clear that he believes in Tarvaris Jackson, despite his Manning comment.

"I thought he has the skills to play at this level. He has a great arm. He’s definitely picking up on his offense a lot better. Getting the ball out of his hands fast. Going through his reads," Winfield said of Jackson. "I definitely have a lot of confidence in him.

Although there is significant time before players have to report to training camp on July 25, Winfield said his issues will not get resolved.

"I don’t think it’ll be any change, or anything like that," he said.

"The team is not going to change," he later said. "Nothing is going to change.

As for training camp, Winfield said he will be there.
I don't know what Winfield issue is but IMO this is more of a non-story getting a lot of hype simply because there is nothing else to talk about this offseason.
I posted up top that someone would highlight that and cling to it for life in this thread. Winfield was asked if personnel was the issue...he basically had no comment...not a ringing endorsement for anyone on that offense specifically the passing game. He says TJax has the skills to play at that level...he doesn't say TJax is going to play at a Manning level...there are lots of levels in the NFL and maybe TJax does have the skills to play back up QB in the NFL. Name another club where TJax could walk in and start for today...name 1 club where he could start for...maybe Miami? Don't say Oakland and Cleveland cause they got their answers in the draft.

And this isn't just about TJax...throw in one of the worst WR corps in the NFL and you have a recipe for disaster. Only the Titans would rival MN for worst receiving corp IMO.

 
threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season

:bag:

this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year

:lol:
Oh stop it...
stop what? I have never heard or seen anyone say either of those two things. Or did one person type it and that is the "people"?
How bout David Dodds has him ranked 24th on projections for the season...that makes him a fringe QB2 in 12 team redraft leagues...how bout we just leave it at that.
 
Goodness. Whose turn was it to give MoP his meds and WHY DID YOU FORGET!? You put all our lives in danger.

(MoP - Please don't kill me. :bag: )

 
i think it was siefert on the radio the other day that said antoine has been in town the entire time (his kids go to school here), goes out to dinner with his teammates, hangs out with them, etc but is just refusing to show up for the OTA's.

 
threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season

:unsure:

this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year

:shrug:
Oh stop it...
stop what? I have never heard or seen anyone say either of those two things. Or did one person type it and that is the "people"?
How bout David Dodds has him ranked 24th on projections for the season...that makes him a fringe QB2 in 12 team redraft leagues...how bout we just leave it at that.
so the 24th ranked qb by one guy = "a good option for redraft leagues" ok :goodposting:
 
threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season

:link:

this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year

:link:
Oh stop it...
stop what? I have never heard or seen anyone say either of those two things. Or did one person type it and that is the "people"?
How bout David Dodds has him ranked 24th on projections for the season...that makes him a fringe QB2 in 12 team redraft leagues...how bout we just leave it at that.
so the 24th ranked qb by one guy = "a good option for redraft leagues" ok :rolleyes:
Do you only draft 1 QB in 12 team redraft leagues? Seriously guy, you're the one that wanted a link so I just pointed you to the co-owner of the boards, sorry.
 
threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season

:link:

this board acted like Rice is going to actually be a player to draft in redrafts this year

:link:
Oh stop it...
stop what? I have never heard or seen anyone say either of those two things. Or did one person type it and that is the "people"?
How bout David Dodds has him ranked 24th on projections for the season...that makes him a fringe QB2 in 12 team redraft leagues...how bout we just leave it at that.
so the 24th ranked qb by one guy = "a good option for redraft leagues" ok :rolleyes:
Do you only draft 1 QB in 12 team redraft leagues? Seriously guy, you're the one that wanted a link so I just pointed you to the co-owner of the boards, sorry.
Actually I wanted the link.How does him being ranked as borderline unrosterable as a QB2 = threads where people are trying to act like TJax is a good option as a redraft candidate this season ?

 
OK, I will be the first to admit that the Vikings are not going to make the playoffs (going out on a limb!), but I just don't get your "Chicken Little" act Andy!??!?

Their defense should be on par with last year, and their offense CAN'T be as bad as last year, so I expect a similar season to last year...Brad Johnson was TERRIBLE!! And now they have some players to stretch the field a bit for the running game, and the offensive line has had a year to gel. They aren't going to be good, but I don't think it can be any worse than last year.

 
OK, I will be the first to admit that the Vikings are not going to make the playoffs (going out on a limb!), but I just don't get your "Chicken Little" act Andy!??!?

Their defense should be on par with last year, and their offense CAN'T be as bad as last year, so I expect a similar season to last year...Brad Johnson was TERRIBLE!! And now they have some players to stretch the field a bit for the running game, and the offensive line has had a year to gel. They aren't going to be good, but I don't think it can be any worse than last year.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast.
 
I remember the times when I would TARGET Minny players. Carter, Moss, R.Smith, CPep, etc.....

Not anymore - I doubt I'll pick a single Viking this year. Well....... maybe the PK (it is a dome!)

 
I remember the times when I would TARGET Minny players. Carter, Moss, R.Smith, CPep, etc.....Not anymore - I doubt I'll pick a single Viking this year. Well....... maybe the PK (it is a dome!)
Both Chester Taylor & Adrian Peterson are going to put up decent numbers this year. Both could be decent RB2's, Taylor for the first half of the season and AP for the second half.
 
I don't understand why there is so much T.Jackson discussion in this thread. It's pretty obvious Winfield is directing his comments almost exclusively at the worst WR core in the league, and more specifically Troy "frostbite hands" Williamson. This guy is so bad it's ridiculous. It's gotta be pretty embarassing and downright disheartening to have to share the playing field with this guy and even moreso bcause he is suppoedly th best WR on th roster.

The one time I watched Williamson play in person, I was embarassed for the Viking's. I actually felt sorry for the opposing team watching this guy. I mean it I a bad, BAD situation when the opposing fans actually boo a dropped pass by the opponent.

Winfield is doing himself and the team a favor by skipping OTAs. He could practice with a local high school player and get a more legit WR matchup than lining up with Williamson. Kudos to Winfield for speaing with his actions rather than his words.

 
Let me preface this by saying that Antoine Winfield is one of my favorite players in the NFL...

OK, now let me speak my piece...

A team leader should be at these OTA's...plain and simple. Another thing...if you are going to criticize the offense, then do so, but you probably should not be doing so as a CB on the worst pass defense in the NFL!!

I don't like what he is doing and feel it is wrong...

 
OK, I will be the first to admit that the Vikings are not going to make the playoffs (going out on a limb!), but I just don't get your "Chicken Little" act Andy!??!?

Their defense should be on par with last year, and their offense CAN'T be as bad as last year, so I expect a similar season to last year...Brad Johnson was TERRIBLE!! And now they have some players to stretch the field a bit for the running game, and the offensive line has had a year to gel. They aren't going to be good, but I don't think it can be any worse than last year.
Sadly, I think it can... :mellow: I will give you one example that speaks volumes to me...at least Jermaine Wiggins can catch the ball, and they told him to walk.

 
I am a big gamecocks fan and I watched both Williamson and Rice play almost every game of their careers in South Carolina. They are two immensley different Wr's. You all have now seen Williamson play and you see thay he is not a good pro prospect. I was in awe when Minny drafted him that high. I felt sorry for them. Now Rice on the other hand is a great pro prospect. I do think he came out one year to early but in two to three years he should be a great Wr #1 for the Vikes. He has great leaping ability, he is able to manuever his body to make the spectactular catch and he always sems to get to the ball if it is near him. He is just still a little raw and will have a hard time facing top nfl corner backs. Please just stop comparing him to Williamson because they came from the same school. It is not Rice's fault the Vikes fell in love with Williamsons speed and forgot to check his hands.

 
http://vikingsnow.blogspot.com/2007/06/winfield-update.html

...Winfield was careful with his words, but he indicated that his issue was with the team's lack of effort to upgrade the offense. That, apparently, will compel him to continue to work out on his own and skip next week's Organized Team Activities.

"Pretty much, I’m going to do this thing on my own. Work out on my own. I don’t feel like I really need to be around here," he said. "I pretty much know the defense now. I know what I need to work on, when I’m away from here. I don’t think anything is going to change."

After that, Winfield had a telling comment, "They’re not going to bring in Peyton Manning, or anything like that."

Asked if personnel is his issue, Winfield said, "I'm not going to go into that.

"I’ll leave that one alone."

But Winfield also made clear that he believes in Tarvaris Jackson, despite his Manning comment.

"I thought he has the skills to play at this level. He has a great arm. He’s definitely picking up on his offense a lot better. Getting the ball out of his hands fast. Going through his reads," Winfield said of Jackson. "I definitely have a lot of confidence in him.

Although there is significant time before players have to report to training camp on July 25, Winfield said his issues will not get resolved.

"I don’t think it’ll be any change, or anything like that," he said.

"The team is not going to change," he later said. "Nothing is going to change.

As for training camp, Winfield said he will be there.
I don't know what Winfield issue is but IMO this is more of a non-story getting a lot of hype simply because there is nothing else to talk about this offseason.
I posted up top that someone would highlight that and cling to it for life in this thread. Winfield was asked if personnel was the issue...he basically had no comment...not a ringing endorsement for anyone on that offense specifically the passing game. He says TJax has the skills to play at that level...he doesn't say TJax is going to play at a Manning level...there are lots of levels in the NFL and maybe TJax does have the skills to play back up QB in the NFL. Name another club where TJax could walk in and start for today...name 1 club where he could start for...maybe Miami? Don't say Oakland and Cleveland cause they got their answers in the draft.

And this isn't just about TJax...throw in one of the worst WR corps in the NFL and you have a recipe for disaster. Only the Titans would rival MN for worst receiving corp IMO.
Asked if personnel is his issue, Winfield said, "I'm not going to go into that.

"I’ll leave that one alone."
If he did not leave it alone amybe he would have to sayt something about the coachhing staff - maybe he just didn't want to steal Andy's shtick :jawdrop:
 
I think the Vikings O will surprise and be mediocre (as opposed to the predicted trainwreck).

I don't understand all of the bashing going on here. Jackson may not be the best win-now QB out there, but he didn't look any worse in his first couple of games than a LOT of QBs who turned out to be servicable or better.

Are you REALLY declaring this guy a bust after TWO F'N GAMES from a QB who was admittedly raw coming out of college?

As for Williamson, yeah, he was drafted too high. But there are some signs he is improving, and while it is not likely he will develop into what the Vikes thought he would be, stranger things have happened. He also is at a position where it sometimes takes time to develop.

Then we have the rest of the receivers. WR was a weakness, so they got a good WR prospect in the 2nd round and picked up a guy who was once highly touted but slipped to the 5th round. They also picked up a journeyman in Wade for "depth". What did you want them to do, trade for Marvin Harrison? Get Moss back?

They have a very solid line, and potentially a very good RB. That's a pretty good start right there. I don't expect monster numbers, but I don't think we will see the record lows some folks seem to be looking for either.

 
Perhaps he should look at his division rival and NFC Champion Chicago Bears. They were essentially in the same spot at the beggining of 2006.

They have a very solid line, and potentially a very good RB. That's a pretty good start right there. I don't expect monster numbers, but I don't think we will see the record lows some folks seem to be looking for either.
Actually, that sounds a LOT like Chicago. Absent Urlacher and a top notch coach.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
They have a very solid line, and potentially a very good RB. That's a pretty good start right there. I don't expect monster numbers, but I don't think we will see the record lows some folks seem to be looking for either.
For these 2 reasons alone, this offense will be much better than many here are saying.
 
http://vikingsnow.blogspot.com/2007/06/winfield-update.html

...Winfield was careful with his words, but he indicated that his issue was with the team's lack of effort to upgrade the offense. That, apparently, will compel him to continue to work out on his own and skip next week's Organized Team Activities.

"Pretty much, I’m going to do this thing on my own. Work out on my own. I don’t feel like I really need to be around here," he said. "I pretty much know the defense now. I know what I need to work on, when I’m away from here. I don’t think anything is going to change."

After that, Winfield had a telling comment, "They’re not going to bring in Peyton Manning, or anything like that."

Asked if personnel is his issue, Winfield said, "I'm not going to go into that.

"I’ll leave that one alone."

But Winfield also made clear that he believes in Tarvaris Jackson, despite his Manning comment.

"I thought he has the skills to play at this level. He has a great arm. He’s definitely picking up on his offense a lot better. Getting the ball out of his hands fast. Going through his reads," Winfield said of Jackson. "I definitely have a lot of confidence in him.

Although there is significant time before players have to report to training camp on July 25, Winfield said his issues will not get resolved.

"I don’t think it’ll be any change, or anything like that," he said.

"The team is not going to change," he later said. "Nothing is going to change.

As for training camp, Winfield said he will be there.
I don't know what Winfield issue is but IMO this is more of a non-story getting a lot of hype simply because there is nothing else to talk about this offseason.
:hot:
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top