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Antonio Bryant Showing Signs Of Maturity (1 Viewer)

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No one has ever doubted Bryant's ability, but his attitude has been an obstacle to his development so far... apparently its starting to change.

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The story of Cleveland Browns WR Antonio Bryant and the controversy that surrounds him is one that has been told like a tall tale around a campfire. From his playing days at the University of Pittsburgh where reports of sideline temper tantrums and off-the-field problems plagued him, to the pros where he was kicked out of Cowboys practice after arguing with coaches. His character issues eventually landed him in Cleveland via trade, and he's looking to make a fresh start.

Drafted by Dallas in the second round in 2002, Bryant enters his fourth year not having lived up to his potential. In three seasons, he has accumulated 141 receptions for 2,095 yards and 12 touchdowns, which are decent numbers for an average receiver, but for a one-time Biletnikoff Award winner and consensus All-American, more is expected.

The blame for lack of numbers doesn't fall solely on the shoulders of the once-dominant receiver. In his defense, he has had to deal with some adversity in his short career.

"Every year I have been in the league I've gone through changes," Bryant said. "My first year, I had (Dave) Campo, the next year we got Bill (Parcells), and the next year I had Bill for a half a season. I came here with Butch (Davis) and his staff, and now this year I have Romeo (Crennel). So every year I'm looking for continuity, a consistent offense, a consistent quarterback, that's all."

The Browns made several changes over the off-season to insure that there will be some consistency on offense. Bringing in veteran QB Trent Dilfer should help the team's cause tremendously.

Known primarily for his playmaking ability in college, Bryant remains optimistic that he can be the same playmaker at the pro level.

"I make plays when given the opportunity," he said. "It's just all about taking advantage of how many opportunities present themselves. The best way to make opportunities is be consistent in practice and just be humble, and when it comes it's kind of like a flow. They just keep bringing it to you because they depend on you. Until then, you can do only as much as you can do."

Everyone in the league knows what the volatile receiver is capable of while on the field; however, it's the things that take place while off the field that are cause for concern. Although Bryant has been a model citizen for the Browns thus far, there are still those who feel that it's just a matter of time before the outspoken receiver erupts like Mt. St. Helens. Those nonbelievers may be waiting a long time to see the eruption because, according to Bryant, he has put all the negatives behind him.

"As long as you're doing something, somebody is going to have something to say," he said. "If I was doing nothing I would just be another guy in the locker room with a number. I'm trying to do something here so there are going to be some things said. When you shake some things up some people don't always agree with that. But if you look at it, that's how people are made. You know, the people who aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe in and go against the grain and get things done."

Bryant was one mellow fellow in the locker room during minicamp and may just be misunderstood because of the passion that he has for the game. He welcomes the challenge of being a leader as well as leading the offense to prominence. That being said, his maturity level appears to be reaching heights needed for him to be recognized for his performance on the field rather than off.

 
Good article but a heads up to all..........it's right about this time every year I start hearing about Antonio Bryant as a sleeper. The media creates this buzz and a warm fuzzy story to show how much he's matured the past 6 months. I for one don't buy it. Antonio Bryant is one player that won't be on one of my teams this year and if he does become something special or even a legitimate weekly starter in fantasy football, so be it. But there will be no Bryant Kool-Aid in the Iwannabeacowboybaby! camp this year.

 
Good article but a heads up to all..........it's right about this time every year I start hearing about Antonio Bryant as a sleeper. The media creates this buzz and a warm fuzzy story to show how much he's matured the past 6 months. I for one don't buy it. Antonio Bryant is one player that won't be on one of my teams this year and if he does become something special or even a legitimate weekly starter in fantasy football, so be it. But there will be no Bryant Kool-Aid in the Iwannabeacowboybaby! camp this year.
He's definitely got a long way to go before he's a solid fantasy contributer. His talent will alwasy bring some hype.
 
"Every year I have been in the league I've gone through changes," Bryant said. "My first year, I had (Dave) Campo, the next year we got Bill (Parcells), and the next year I had Bill for a half a season. I came here with Butch (Davis) and his staff, and now this year I have Romeo (Crennel). So every year I'm looking for continuity, a consistent offense, a consistent quarterback, that's all."
"I make plays when given the opportunity," he said. "It's just all about taking advantage of how many opportunities present themselves. The best way to make opportunities is be consistent in practice and just be humble, and when it comes it's kind of like a flow. They just keep bringing it to you because they depend on you. Until then, you can do only as much as you can do."
i don't know -- this doesn't really sound like maturity to me. it sounds like excuses if you ask me. hey, maybe i'm being too hard on the guy, but these quotes both come off as "hey, there's only so much i can do -- i haven't had any consistency, so it's not my fault. when i have opportunities, i take advantage of them, but i just don't get many opportunities."
 
"Every year I have been in the league I've gone through changes," Bryant said. "My first year, I had (Dave) Campo, the next year we got Bill (Parcells), and the next year I had Bill for a half a season. I came here with Butch (Davis) and his staff, and now this year I have Romeo (Crennel). So every year I'm looking for continuity, a consistent offense, a consistent quarterback, that's all."
"I make plays when given the opportunity," he said. "It's just all about taking advantage of how many opportunities present themselves. The best way to make opportunities is be consistent in practice and just be humble, and when it comes it's kind of like a flow. They just keep bringing it to you because they depend on you. Until then, you can do only as much as you can do."
i don't know -- this doesn't really sound like maturity to me. it sounds like excuses if you ask me. hey, maybe i'm being too hard on the guy, but these quotes both come off as "hey, there's only so much i can do -- i haven't had any consistency, so it's not my fault. when i have opportunities, i take advantage of them, but i just don't get many opportunities."
i agree with this intrepretation of his remarks. still the writer decided to frame this as an improvement, so i presented it that way (i especially liked the use of the term "mellow fellow"). Ill admit Ive been a Bryant believer, bad attitude and all, because I think if a team ever gives him a chance to be a true #1, he'll produce and THEN be a happy guy because he's getting the workload he wants. now this might never happen - still for a guy who has the talent to be a #1, bryant is relatively cheap in dynasty drafts. In redraft I would definitely be targetting him in the double digit rounds.
 
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he's a ##### bag, but a talented ##### bag. I guess he could be in for a big year, but I doubt it.

 
Good article but a heads up to all..........it's right about this time every year I start hearing about Antonio Bryant as a sleeper.  The media creates this buzz and a warm fuzzy story to show how much he's matured the past 6 months.  I for one don't buy it.  Antonio Bryant is one player that won't be on one of my teams this year and if he does become something special or even a legitimate weekly starter in fantasy football, so be it. But there will be no Bryant Kool-Aid in the Iwannabeacowboybaby! camp this year.
He's definitely got a long way to go before he's a solid fantasy contributer. His talent will alwasy bring some hype.
True, I hate those kind of players..........he's like Charlie Rogers. Well what if this happens......what if that happens. I need players that produce. These make for nice summer stories, but I know during the season you'll get the 3 catches for 28 yards in the box score and guys like Brandon Stokely are getting 8 catches for 104 yards and a TD or even worse you see Antwan Randel El throw a TD to Hines WArd.
 
"Every year I have been in the league I've gone through changes," Bryant said. "My first year, I had (Dave) Campo, the next year we got Bill (Parcells), and the next year I had Bill for a half a season. I came here with Butch (Davis) and his staff, and now this year I have Romeo (Crennel). So every year I'm looking for continuity, a consistent offense, a consistent quarterback, that's all."
"I make plays when given the opportunity," he said. "It's just all about taking advantage of how many opportunities present themselves. The best way to make opportunities is be consistent in practice and just be humble, and when it comes it's kind of like a flow. They just keep bringing it to you because they depend on you. Until then, you can do only as much as you can do."
i don't know -- this doesn't really sound like maturity to me. it sounds like excuses if you ask me. hey, maybe i'm being too hard on the guy, but these quotes both come off as "hey, there's only so much i can do -- i haven't had any consistency, so it's not my fault. when i have opportunities, i take advantage of them, but i just don't get many opportunities."
:goodposting: I was getting ready to make this point after reading the article.

 
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Even if he has matured...isn't Trent Dilfer still his QB? :yucky:
Yeah, but his QB was a lot worse last year, and he had a nice second half.I like Bryant because the risk is so little. It isn't like you're drafting this head case in the fourth round.

I took him in the 25th round if my new dynasty league. He's my 6th WR, and this was one of my favorite picks.

I'd expect 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's.

 
MassRaider, you're expecting 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?I expect 450 yards and 2 td's. Anything over that is gravy.

 
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MassRaider, you're expecting 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?

I expect 450 yards and 2 td's. Anything over that is gravy.
Just a bitter Cowboy fan who is upset he didn't produce for the 'Boys! :boxing: I expect about 700-800 yards and about 5-7 TD's which will exceed his draft position, which equates to value. He won't be superman, but he is a very talented WR and the WRs in Cleveland have loads of talent...yes the question is QB but Dilfer can throw the ball, he just isn't a big time playmaker.

 
MassRaider, you're expecting 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?

I expect 450 yards and 2 td's. Anything over that is gravy.
IWBACB,Bryant has averaged 700/4 over his career despite never having a full season as a starter - he could be a starter this year in cleveland. Why are you predicting a drop to 450/2 ?

 
Bryant and Quincy Morgan were flops that people had high hopes for. I think they may both surprise this year. Seems so likely I wonder if I'm just getting my annual tease by themMaybe flops is too strong a word but hopes were real high for them

 
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MassRaider, you're expecting  800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?

I expect 450 yards and 2 td's.  Anything over that is gravy.
IWBACB,Bryant has averaged 700/4 over his career despite never having a full season as a starter - he could be a starter this year in cleveland. Why are you predicting a drop to 450/2 ?
Because he has Cowboys blinders on. He had the talent in Dallas, but never got the opportunity. I'm sure his attitude had something to do with why... that, and Parcells' desire to give jobs to "his" WRs.His production greatly increased last year after he became a starter for the Browns. It may be a little bit of complaining, but it also might be a little bit of an explanation as to why a guy that talented has struggled to be consistently productive.

The Browns are going to give him a starting job and let him go. I'm sure he'll be a little inconsistent, but at the end of the year I fully expect him to be somewhere near 900-7, and he's got the potential for more than that. On a team that's going to have to do it's share of passing no matter who is the QB, he's got the talent and the opportunity to really put things together this year.

 
what about andre davis and solid but unspectacular northcutt?
davis isnt practicing with the first team. northcutt is, but is best suited as a slot receiver - when edwards cracks the starting lineup, i expect it to be northcutt, not bryant, that he replaces.
 
Good article but a heads up to all..........it's right about this time every year I start hearing about Antonio Bryant as a sleeper. The media creates this buzz and a warm fuzzy story to show how much he's matured the past 6 months. I for one don't buy it. Antonio Bryant is one player that won't be on one of my teams this year and if he does become something special or even a legitimate weekly starter in fantasy football, so be it. But there will be no Bryant Kool-Aid in the Iwannabeacowboybaby! camp this year.
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MassRaider, you're expecting 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?

I expect 450 yards and 2 td's. Anything over that is gravy.
IWBACB,Bryant has averaged 700/4 over his career despite never having a full season as a starter - he could be a starter this year in cleveland. Why are you predicting a drop to 450/2 ?
Because he has Cowboys blinders on. He had the talent in Dallas, but never got the opportunity. I'm sure his attitude had something to do with why... that, and Parcells' desire to give jobs to "his" WRs.His production greatly increased last year after he became a starter for the Browns. It may be a little bit of complaining, but it also might be a little bit of an explanation as to why a guy that talented has struggled to be consistently productive.

The Browns are going to give him a starting job and let him go. I'm sure he'll be a little inconsistent, but at the end of the year I fully expect him to be somewhere near 900-7, and he's got the potential for more than that. On a team that's going to have to do it's share of passing no matter who is the QB, he's got the talent and the opportunity to really put things together this year.
:goodposting: The bottom line for Bryant is that when he has been given the opportunity to produce, he has done well.
 
One or even two of the Browns receivers might be decent bye week fillers this season, or even FF WR3s. I don't know which of the four it'll be, though. I'll do my best to avoid all of them. Honestly, the starting lineup that makes the most sense to me is ADavis and Northcutt.

 
Bryant's talent is VASTLY over-rated by the fantasy community. I have no idea why. He has questionable hands/concentration at best. His speed is mediocre. He's not that big. Yet everyone always touts him as a "playmaker" just waiting to break out. I have news - he's not in college anymore. He's had MANY opportunities to show his teams something and he just hasn't done it. I think the simple fact is that he is a mediocre receiver. You don't "break out" from mediocrity.He's probably the 3rd best WR on the BROWNS (maybe 4th). Andre Davis is bigger, faster and probably has better hands. Northcutt is an excellent slot receiver and now the have Edwards. I'm not even sure he'll see the field all that much if Edwards develops.Being the 3rd or 4th best WR on a bad offensive team isn't exactly a recipe for success.

 
Bryant's talent is VASTLY over-rated by the fantasy community. I have no idea why. He has questionable hands/concentration at best. His speed is mediocre. He's not that big. Yet everyone always touts him as a "playmaker" just waiting to break out. I have news - he's not in college anymore. He's had MANY opportunities to show his teams something and he just hasn't done it. I think the simple fact is that he is a mediocre receiver. You don't "break out" from mediocrity.

He's probably the 3rd best WR on the BROWNS (maybe 4th). Andre Davis is bigger, faster and probably has better hands. Northcutt is an excellent slot receiver and now the have Edwards. I'm not even sure he'll see the field all that much if Edwards develops.

Being the 3rd or 4th best WR on a bad offensive team isn't exactly a recipe for success.
all i can say is that watching bryant with the cowboys i saw him make at least a play a game that very few receivers in the NFL could make - anything but mediocre. i disagree about the concentration - when bryant goes up for a ball, he has incredible body control. Ive never seen any glaring problems with his hands either. I'm not sure why you are saying that he's had many opportunities, his first stint as a starter was the 2nd half of last year, and he produced. He was good enough as a rook to get in the dallas WR rotation right away, and went for 44/733/6 with chad hutchinson and quincy carter throwing the ball to him. Then Parcells comes in and brings glenn back - Bryant still goes for 39/550 with carter throwing to him. Then Keyshawn comes to dallas and bryant still goes for 14/230 in his first 3 games as #3 WR - then he gets banged up and the final falling out happens - putting him in cleveland where he goes for 36/477/4 in the 2nd half with holcomb and mccown throwing.How exactly does this equal "MANY opportunities" and "just not doing it" ?

 
just to be clear, im not saying bryant wont be a bust, but if he is, itll be because of his attitude, not for lack of ability.

 
Bryant's talent is VASTLY over-rated by the fantasy community.  I have no idea why.  He has questionable hands/concentration at best.  His speed is mediocre.  He's not that big.  Yet everyone always touts him as a "playmaker" just waiting to break out.  I have news - he's not in college anymore.  He's had MANY opportunities to show his teams something and he just hasn't done it.  I think the simple fact is that he is a mediocre receiver.  You don't "break out" from mediocrity.

He's probably the 3rd best WR on the BROWNS (maybe 4th).  Andre Davis is bigger, faster and probably has better hands.  Northcutt is an excellent slot receiver and now the have Edwards.  I'm not even sure he'll see the field all that much if Edwards develops.

Being the 3rd or 4th best WR on a bad offensive team isn't exactly a recipe for success.
all i can say is that watching bryant with the cowboys i saw him make at least a play a game that very few receivers in the NFL could make - anything but mediocre. i disagree about the concentration - when bryant goes up for a ball, he has incredible body control. Ive never seen any glaring problems with his hands either. I'm not sure why you are saying that he's had many opportunities, his first stint as a starter was the 2nd half of last year, and he produced. He was good enough as a rook to get in the dallas WR rotation right away, and went for 44/733/6 with chad hutchinson and quincy carter throwing the ball to him. Then Parcells comes in and brings glenn back - Bryant still goes for 39/550 with carter throwing to him. Then Keyshawn comes to dallas and bryant still goes for 14/230 in his first 3 games as #3 WR - then he gets banged up and the final falling out happens - putting him in cleveland where he goes for 36/477/4 in the 2nd half with holcomb and mccown throwing.How exactly does this equal "MANY opportunities" and "just not doing it" ?
You are throwing me softballs here.Bryant has 18 drops in the last two years on fairly limited targets. To put it bluntly, that sucks. His drops/target ratio could be the worst in the league, right with Travis Taylor. And you can't blame drops on the QB, a drop is when the ball hits your hands with little to no coverage and you don't catch it. That many drops means one of two things - the receiver either has very bad hands, or has poor concentration. There is really no other explanation for dropping 18 balls that hit your hands.

As for opprtunity, the answer is simple. He's been in the league for 3 full years (only missed one game) and he hasn't had more than 812 yards in a season. You want to dismiss his first two years because he wasn't "starting". WHY wasn't he starting? Because he didn't play well enough. Dallas would have LOVED to start this kid and even feature him if he had been up for it (all he had to do was outplay one of the over-the-hill trio of Keyshawn Johnson, Joey Galloway or Terry Glenn). But, he wasn't - so they dumped him for a different project receiver.

So Cleveland takes him in and he plays REASONABLY well. But what do they do even though they have Bryant and two other excellent supporting receivers? They use the 3rd overall draft pick on a receiver.

Does the kid occasionaly make a great play that's fun to watch? Yes, he does - just like Brandon Lloyd and lot of other receivers like Bryant. But that DOES NOT make him a good NFL receiver or a good fantasy receiver. Good NFL and fantasy receivers start, get open, and catch the ball consistently. Bryant has done all of those things on occasion, but none of them consistently.

 
Bryant's talent is VASTLY over-rated by the fantasy community.  I have no idea why.  He has questionable hands/concentration at best.  His speed is mediocre.  He's not that big.  Yet everyone always touts him as a "playmaker" just waiting to break out.  I have news - he's not in college anymore.  He's had MANY opportunities to show his teams something and he just hasn't done it.  I think the simple fact is that he is a mediocre receiver.  You don't "break out" from mediocrity.

He's probably the 3rd best WR on the BROWNS (maybe 4th).  Andre Davis is bigger, faster and probably has better hands.  Northcutt is an excellent slot receiver and now the have Edwards.  I'm not even sure he'll see the field all that much if Edwards develops.

Being the 3rd or 4th best WR on a bad offensive team isn't exactly a recipe for success.
all i can say is that watching bryant with the cowboys i saw him make at least a play a game that very few receivers in the NFL could make - anything but mediocre. i disagree about the concentration - when bryant goes up for a ball, he has incredible body control. Ive never seen any glaring problems with his hands either. I'm not sure why you are saying that he's had many opportunities, his first stint as a starter was the 2nd half of last year, and he produced. He was good enough as a rook to get in the dallas WR rotation right away, and went for 44/733/6 with chad hutchinson and quincy carter throwing the ball to him. Then Parcells comes in and brings glenn back - Bryant still goes for 39/550 with carter throwing to him. Then Keyshawn comes to dallas and bryant still goes for 14/230 in his first 3 games as #3 WR - then he gets banged up and the final falling out happens - putting him in cleveland where he goes for 36/477/4 in the 2nd half with holcomb and mccown throwing.How exactly does this equal "MANY opportunities" and "just not doing it" ?
You are throwing me softballs here.Bryant has 18 drops in the last two years on fairly limited targets. To put it bluntly, that sucks. His drops/target ratio could be the worst in the league, right with Travis Taylor. And you can't blame drops on the QB, a drop is when the ball hits your hands with little to no coverage and you don't catch it. That many drops means one of two things - the receiver either has very bad hands, or has poor concentration. There is really no other explanation for dropping 18 balls that hit your hands.

As for opprtunity, the answer is simple. He's been in the league for 3 full years (only missed one game) and he hasn't had more than 812 yards in a season. You want to dismiss his first two years because he wasn't "starting". WHY wasn't he starting? Because he didn't play well enough. Dallas would have LOVED to start this kid and even feature him if he had been up for it (all he had to do was outplay one of the over-the-hill trio of Keyshawn Johnson, Joey Galloway or Terry Glenn). But, he wasn't - so they dumped him for a different project receiver.

So Cleveland takes him in and he plays REASONABLY well. But what do they do even though they have Bryant and two other excellent supporting receivers? They use the 3rd overall draft pick on a receiver.

Does the kid occasionaly make a great play that's fun to watch? Yes, he does - just like Brandon Lloyd and lot of other receivers like Bryant. But that DOES NOT make him a good NFL receiver or a good fantasy receiver. Good NFL and fantasy receivers start, get open, and catch the ball consistently. Bryant has done all of those things on occasion, but none of them consistently.
You put together a compelling argument against Bryant - I grant that he has had lapses, all stemming from the mental side of being a football player, not physical. I just happen to buy into the theory that IF bryant can put together a nice run of games as a starter, then he will get over the hump mentally - basically that success will snowball for him. What I took issue with was the characterization that his talent is overrated - maybe we mean different things by talent - i would consider his flaws (attitude, mental side of the game) outside of the realm of talent. Bryant flashes ability that few WR in the league have, and I guess thats why I keep drinking the kool aid - what i mean by talent is what bryant shows on those plays.

Did Bryant get a fair chance to beat out the vets in Dallas? Thats a big question that I dont know the answer to. I guess I should give Tuna the benefit of the doubt, but he did make some personnel moves that left me scratching my head the last few years.

I think its valid to say "he hasnt gotten it yet, so therefore he will never get it" - Im just willing to take the gamble that he will "get it" at his ADP in dynasty and redraft leagues.

 
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Bryant has 18 drops in the last two years on fairly limited targets. To put it bluntly, that sucks. His drops/target ratio could be the worst in the league, right with Travis Taylor. And you can't blame drops on the QB, a drop is when the ball hits your hands with little to no coverage and you don't catch it. That many drops means one of two things - the receiver either has very bad hands, or has poor concentration. There is really no other explanation for dropping 18 balls that hit your hands.

So Cleveland takes him in and he plays REASONABLY well. But what do they do even though they have Bryant and two other excellent supporting receivers? They use the 3rd overall draft pick on a receiver.

Does the kid occasionaly make a great play that's fun to watch? Yes, he does - just like Brandon Lloyd and lot of other receivers like Bryant. But that DOES NOT make him a good NFL receiver or a good fantasy receiver. Good NFL and fantasy receivers start, get open, and catch the ball consistently. Bryant has done all of those things on occasion, but none of them consistently.
first of all, best available athlete was what Braylon was. Too good to pass up. Similarly, when the Vikes drafted Moss they had both Carter and Reed that were each two of the best in the NFL(Reed very briefly). I don't think that has anything to do with Bryant, Davis, Northcutt, or King(they still have that guy?)Anyway ignoring the italics part of your post.

This is the prob with fantasy football for alot of us. I am not an NFL scout but I am darn excited when Lloyd or Bryant makes a play. Waiver wire or draft comes and I'm telling myself that I am not a scout hold on be patient and.....eventually I'll draft one. I feel like me being honest with myself, telling myself I'm not a scout, is the only way to go.

IMO Lamont Jordan and Morris of Seattle similarly teased us. One could have (past) argued they have the ability to start but ya know all we really got were teased with some big plays. Curtis and Shaun have as good a hold on the starting spot as any player in the NFL.

Javon Walker was someone I liked watching and thought would be excellent. It took longer than I thought. I drafted him each year and got as much crud from him as I did quality play.

This summer, Ruvell Martin was phenomenal in NFLEurope. I don't know what it takes for a WR from NFLE to make it in the NFL. I know there's a huge change in talent level but I just can't see him NOT turning into a special NFL player. He's 6-5, fast, breakaway ability, Lofton says he has "impressive hands", he's got it all. But then, name another NFLE WR to play in the NFL? I'm not a scout, I'm not a scout....maybe with my 17th round pick I'll take a stab at him.

How do you(or others) handle it when you see big play talent on TV?

 
Reading this thread reminds me of the 3 things I look for in a successful fantasy player: talent, opprotunity and motivation. Bryant is 1 for 3. He has the talent. We've seen examples of how well he "CAN" play. But he doesn't seem to have the pther 2. Opportunity is dismal at best. Not that he's not getting a shot but it's Cleveland for goodness sakes. How much opportunity is going to get behind Edwards? In fact, after Winslow returns (assumming he does) his ooprtunity drops a little more. The there is the other thing that's been discussed here, motivation. He simply isn't motivated to do the things he needs to in order to succeed. So a 1 for 3 guy won't be on my roster. Gotta have at least 1 & 3 or 2 & 3 in order to have a chnce. Talent alone won't get you anywhere unless your name is Clarett. Eventually a lack of #3 catches up to those guys.

 
Reading this thread reminds me of the 3 things I look for in a successful fantasy player: talent, opprotunity and motivation. Bryant is 1 for 3. He has the talent. We've seen examples of how well he "CAN" play. But he doesn't seem to have the pther 2. Opportunity is dismal at best. Not that he's not getting a shot but it's Cleveland for goodness sakes. How much opportunity is going to get behind Edwards? In fact, after Winslow returns (assumming he does) his ooprtunity drops a little more. The there is the other thing that's been discussed here, motivation. He simply isn't motivated to do the things he needs to in order to succeed.

So a 1 for 3 guy won't be on my roster. Gotta have at least 1 & 3 or 2 & 3 in order to have a chnce. Talent alone won't get you anywhere unless your name is Clarett. Eventually a lack of #3 catches up to those guys.
2 things here. The article and thread is about how he is showing improvement in the motivation aspect. That and what makes you so sure he will be behind Edwards? I don't see anyone claiming either of Williamson or Williams starters, yet Edwards is?
 
Reading this thread reminds me of the 3 things I look for in a successful fantasy player: talent, opprotunity and motivation. Bryant is 1 for 3. He has the talent. We've seen examples of how well he "CAN" play. But he doesn't seem to have the pther 2. Opportunity is dismal at best. Not that he's not getting a shot but it's Cleveland for goodness sakes. How much opportunity is going to get behind Edwards? In fact, after Winslow returns (assumming he does) his ooprtunity drops a little more. The there is the other thing that's been discussed here, motivation. He simply isn't motivated to do the things he needs to in order to succeed.

So a 1 for 3 guy won't be on my roster. Gotta have at least 1 & 3 or 2 & 3 in order to have a chnce. Talent alone won't get you anywhere unless your name is Clarett. Eventually a lack of #3 catches up to those guys.
2 things here. The article and thread is about how he is showing improvement in the motivation aspect. That and what makes you so sure he will be behind Edwards? I don't see anyone claiming either of Williamson or Williams starters, yet Edwards is?
Edwards may not be a starter RIGHT NOW, but do you sincerely think that Cleveland used the #3 overall pick on a guy they plan to use as a backup receiver behind Bryant for any length of time? I have trouble understanding how anyone could actually believe that.Here are the receivers who were drafted in the top 3 in the last 10 years:

Larry Fitzgerald - first year starter

Charles Rogers - first year starter (though injured)

Andre Johnson - first year starter

Keyshawn Johnson - first year starter

A good percentage of all first round WRs start in their first year. A high percentage of top 10 overall receivers start in their first year. As far as I can tell, a top 3 overall WR selection has never failed to start in his first year.

 
Reading this thread reminds me of the 3 things I look for in a successful fantasy player: talent, opprotunity and motivation. Bryant is 1 for 3. He has the talent. We've seen examples of how well he "CAN" play. But he doesn't seem to have the pther 2. Opportunity is dismal at best. Not that he's not getting a shot but it's Cleveland for goodness sakes. How much opportunity is going to get behind Edwards? In fact, after Winslow returns (assumming he does) his ooprtunity drops a little more. The there is the other thing that's been discussed here, motivation. He simply isn't motivated to do the things he needs to in order to succeed.

So a 1 for 3 guy won't be on my roster. Gotta have at least 1 & 3 or 2 & 3 in order to have a chnce. Talent alone won't get you anywhere unless your name is Clarett. Eventually a lack of #3 catches up to those guys.
2 things here. The article and thread is about how he is showing improvement in the motivation aspect. That and what makes you so sure he will be behind Edwards? I don't see anyone claiming either of Williamson or Williams starters, yet Edwards is?
Edwards may not be a starter RIGHT NOW, but do you sincerely think that Cleveland used the #3 overall pick on a guy they plan to use as a backup receiver behind Bryant for any length of time? I have trouble understanding how anyone could actually believe that.Here are the receivers who were drafted in the top 3 in the last 10 years:

Larry Fitzgerald - first year starter

Charles Rogers - first year starter (though injured)

Andre Johnson - first year starter

Keyshawn Johnson - first year starter

A good percentage of all first round WRs start in their first year. A high percentage of top 10 overall receivers start in their first year. As far as I can tell, a top 3 overall WR selection has never failed to start in his first year.
I too am very confident Edwards will be the starter. It doesn't take a depth chart to figure that out. Further, Cleveland needs all the talent they can get on the field at one time so I would expect to see a lot Edwards.Oh and I'll believe Bryant has changed when I see it. Until he has proven himself to be an underacheiver, much like Terrell.

 
Fine, so Edwards starts. It seems reasonable to me that Bryant also starts, and Northcutt is the #3/slot receiver.Apparently many here think Davis will be the second starter and Bryant will be #4. Can someone explain that perspective?Davis has played 3 seasons, like Bryant. Compare them:Davis: 93/1412/13 receiving (15.2 ypr)... season highs of 40 catches, 576 yards, 6 TDsBryant: 141/2095/12 receiving (14.9 ypr)... season highs of 58 catches, 812 yards, 6 TDsDavis missed 9 games last year. Bryant has missed 1 game in his career. I don't think this is a big negative for Davis, but certainly it can only help Bryant in this comparison.So I'm thinking of Bryant as a starter. As a starter and with Winslow out, even if Edwards plays well, I can see Bryant with 800/6 or so... and he has upside beyond that IMO. I could easily see Bryant being the leading WR in terms of production while Edwards adjusts... and possibly while Edwards draws any double teams they face.I think Bryant is a solid value play.

 
Haven't read through the thread, but my thoughts on Bryant:He's clearly the #1 on a team that needs one this season. Edwards will be brought along, but expect Bryant to be the best WR on CLE's roster this season.However, with Trent Dilfer at QB, and Romeo and Co bringing in the spread it around philosophy, its hard to get too excited about Bryants prospects, with a quality #3 like Northcutt around.Davis, from all of the talk this offseason, sounds buried at #4 WR. Doesn't sound like much chance, if at all, we see him produce meaningful statistics this year. I think Bryant is a solid bet for 750-900 yards and 4-7 TDs. Not a GREAT option, but a solid #4-5 guy on your roster.

 
Haven't read through the thread, but my thoughts on Bryant:

He's clearly the #1 on a team that needs one this season. Edwards will be brought along, but expect Bryant to be the best WR on CLE's roster this season.

However, with Trent Dilfer at QB, and Romeo and Co bringing in the spread it around philosophy, its hard to get too excited about Bryants prospects, with a quality #3 like Northcutt around.

Davis, from all of the talk this offseason, sounds buried at #4 WR. Doesn't sound like much chance, if at all, we see him produce meaningful statistics this year.

I think Bryant is a solid bet for 750-900 yards and 4-7 TDs. Not a GREAT option, but a solid #4-5 guy on your roster.
Wow. Bryant is "clearly the #1 receiver on this team"? I don't know where to start with that.Maybe all of the "talk" on the fantasy boards is that Davis is "buried", but there is no real news to suggest that at all. He is recovering from surgery so he is not 100% right now, but last I heard he was playing at the X spot. Ourlads lists Bryant and Davis as starters, but with Edwards behind Bryant (as opposed to Davis).

Then we have the simple fact that Northcutt has lead the team in receiving for the last two years but never seems to get any credit at all. He is an EXCELLENT slot receiver and if it comes down to Bryant (who drops balls like there is no tomorrow) and Northcutt (who is a clutch target who virtually NEVER drops balls), Bryant will be riding the pine in 3 WR sets if he isn't playing as one of the outside receivers.

It's one thing to say you like a guy's talent and think he will do well, but presenting him as a lock for anything is crazy. Bryant is about as far away from being "clearly the #1 receiver" as you can get. He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets. He MIGHT end up with your 750-900 yards, but that isn't a "solid bet" I'd like to take.

 
Haven't read through the thread, but my thoughts on Bryant:

He's clearly the #1 on a team that needs one this season.  Edwards will be brought along, but expect Bryant to be the best WR on CLE's roster this season.

However, with Trent Dilfer at QB, and Romeo and Co bringing in the spread it around philosophy, its hard to get too excited about Bryants prospects, with a quality #3 like Northcutt around.

Davis, from all of the talk this offseason, sounds buried at #4 WR.  Doesn't sound like much chance, if at all, we see him produce meaningful statistics this year. 

I think Bryant is a solid bet for 750-900 yards and 4-7 TDs.  Not a GREAT option, but a solid #4-5 guy on your roster.
Wow. Bryant is "clearly the #1 receiver on this team"? I don't know where to start with that.Maybe all of the "talk" on the fantasy boards is that Davis is "buried", but there is no real news to suggest that at all. He is recovering from surgery so he is not 100% right now, but last I heard he was playing at the X spot. Ourlads lists Bryant and Davis as starters, but with Edwards behind Bryant (as opposed to Davis).

Then we have the simple fact that Northcutt has lead the team in receiving for the last two years but never seems to get any credit at all. He is an EXCELLENT slot receiver and if it comes down to Bryant (who drops balls like there is no tomorrow) and Northcutt (who is a clutch target who virtually NEVER drops balls), Bryant will be riding the pine in 3 WR sets if he isn't playing as one of the outside receivers.

It's one thing to say you like a guy's talent and think he will do well, but presenting him as a lock for anything is crazy. Bryant is about as far away from being "clearly the #1 receiver" as you can get. He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets. He MIGHT end up with your 750-900 yards, but that isn't a "solid bet" I'd like to take.
If you for some reason don't like Bryant, that is fine. I am just presenting the facts as they have been displayed to me. If your source of your beliefs is Ourlads...well, Im sorry to hear that.
 
Yea, yea, yea. Bryant could be great. He always sounds mature when he talks. When he plays, he throws tantrums and walks back to the huddle like a duck. I'm not sure wtf he walks that way but it isn't the mostly manly walk.

 
Haven't read through the thread, but my thoughts on Bryant:

He's clearly the #1 on a team that needs one this season.  Edwards will be brought along, but expect Bryant to be the best WR on CLE's roster this season.

However, with Trent Dilfer at QB, and Romeo and Co bringing in the spread it around philosophy, its hard to get too excited about Bryants prospects, with a quality #3 like Northcutt around.

Davis, from all of the talk this offseason, sounds buried at #4 WR.  Doesn't sound like much chance, if at all, we see him produce meaningful statistics this year. 

I think Bryant is a solid bet for 750-900 yards and 4-7 TDs.  Not a GREAT option, but a solid #4-5 guy on your roster.
Wow. Bryant is "clearly the #1 receiver on this team"? I don't know where to start with that.Maybe all of the "talk" on the fantasy boards is that Davis is "buried", but there is no real news to suggest that at all. He is recovering from surgery so he is not 100% right now, but last I heard he was playing at the X spot. Ourlads lists Bryant and Davis as starters, but with Edwards behind Bryant (as opposed to Davis).

Then we have the simple fact that Northcutt has lead the team in receiving for the last two years but never seems to get any credit at all. He is an EXCELLENT slot receiver and if it comes down to Bryant (who drops balls like there is no tomorrow) and Northcutt (who is a clutch target who virtually NEVER drops balls), Bryant will be riding the pine in 3 WR sets if he isn't playing as one of the outside receivers.

It's one thing to say you like a guy's talent and think he will do well, but presenting him as a lock for anything is crazy. Bryant is about as far away from being "clearly the #1 receiver" as you can get. He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets. He MIGHT end up with your 750-900 yards, but that isn't a "solid bet" I'd like to take.
If you for some reason don't like Bryant, that is fine. I am just presenting the facts as they have been displayed to me. If your source of your beliefs is Ourlads...well, Im sorry to hear that.
All I am saying is that "the facts" as they have been displayed to you and the way you are displaying them on your post are highly suspect. Ourlads is the most reliable source of depth charts we have in the off-season. They are FAR from perfect, but if there is a better source, I'd be happy to hear about it. I know Ourlads isn't quite as good as articles featuring speculation by sport-writers, and message-board posts featuring speculation by FFers, but I can live with that. :D As I said before, I'm fine with people liking Bryant's talent and thinking he will emerge from the pack (though I disagree). But I just can't understand why anyone would consider him the "clear #1" in Cleveland.

 
He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets.
So you're saying you consider Bryant the 4th WR. Right?
I am saying Bryant could end up ANYWHERE on the depth chart. He's not a lock for anything, good or bad, at this point.That said, yeah, I think Edwards will be better, Davis is better, and Northcutt is better in the slot which may leave Bryant on the outside looking in. I don't necessarily think Northcutt is better than Davis overall, but I think he is a better slot man/3d down go-to guy than Bryant ever will be. Whether that makes Bryant a #3 or #4 in my book is debatable.

The thing that I believe that most apparently don't is that Davis is a better WR than Bryant and will start ahead of him. When a guy gets injured, a lot of folks around here simply want to discard him entirely. But before his injury Davis was very promising and despite some of the ridiculous claims I've heard recently that Davis "can't stay healthy", he's had exactly one injury that has kept him out of games. He played 16 games in each of his 1st two seasons.

 
Every year he was supposed to take that step and be a top wr on the Cowboys. Every year he didn't make it. I remember a couple years back how Parcell's was really high on the kid in camp only to see Bryant fail with issues. The kid may have some talent but he just wasn't a good fit for the Pokes. Maybe a change of scenery is good, at least i hope it is for Morgan.

 
He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets.
So you're saying you consider Bryant the 4th WR. Right?
That said, yeah, I think Edwards will be better, Davis is better, and Northcutt is better in the slot which may leave Bryant on the outside looking in.
What exactly are you basing this on? Nobody is saying that Edwards will/can not develop into a better WR than Bryant, actually most are accepting that. In his rookie year though? I don't think so. What makes the other options in Clev better than Bryant? You do realize that while switching from Dal to Clev last year midseason, Bryant still managed to adapt and become the leading WR in Clev once there. Bryant has averaged 700 yds, 4 TDs, and 47 rec over his 1st 3 years. He has done this while being a rookie, being in the Billy P. doghouse, and switching teams midseason. The other WRs in Clev have done what exactly to lead you to believe they are so much more impressive than Bryant? None of them have put up as good of numbers and have had much more stable and better opportunites to succeed. Bryant was brought there midseason for a reason, to spark this O. He managed to become the starter for 8 games last year while making the move, yet you see him as closer to a WR4 on the team than a starter. :confused:
 
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He's not guaranteed to start or even PLAY this year except in 4 WR sets.
So you're saying you consider Bryant the 4th WR. Right?
That said, yeah, I think Edwards will be better, Davis is better, and Northcutt is better in the slot which may leave Bryant on the outside looking in.
What exactly are you basing this on? Nobody is saying that Edwards will/can not develop into a better WR than Bryant, actually most are accepting that. In his rookie year though? I don't think so. What makes the other options in Clev better than Bryant? You do realize that while swithing from Dal to Clev last year midseason, Bryant still managed to adapt and become the leading WR in Clev once there. Bryant has averaged 800 yds, 4 TDs, and 47 rec over his 1st 3 years. He has done this while being a rookie, being in the Billy P. doghouse, and switching teams midseason. The other WRs in Clev have done what exactly to lead you to believe teh are so much more impressive than Bryant? None of them have put up as good of numbers and hve had much more stable and better opportunites to succeed. Bryant was brought there midseason for a reason, to spark this O. He managed to become the starter for 8 games last year while making the move, yet you se him as closer to a WR4 on the team than a starter. :confused:
I've already mentioned why I feel that way - suspect hands/concentration, no overwhelming speed or size and the quality of the other receivers on the team. Bryant's numbers have been OK, and if he continues to play, I think they'll continue to be OK. I just don't think they will ever be great, because I don't think he's great. Edwards has the chance to be great, and Davis' speed/talent gives him a chance to be great, but I do acknowledge he has some of the same issues Bryant has (poor concentration at times etc).
 
Another nice article on Bryant from today. Might be worth a late flyer as his ADP is around 18.01.

Antonio Bryant
I like this quote:Maurice Carthon was Parcells' offensive coordinator in Dallas and now holds the same job in Cleveland. He said that it was tough getting Bryant opportunities in the offense, but here "he's the guy, it looks like."

 
Another nice article on Bryant from today.  Might be worth a late flyer as his ADP is around 18.01.

Antonio Bryant
I like this quote:Maurice Carthon was Parcells' offensive coordinator in Dallas and now holds the same job in Cleveland. He said that it was tough getting Bryant opportunities in the offense, but here "he's the guy, it looks like."
I really liked him and hoped he was the next great #88 for Dallas. The problem is when he doesn't get the ball thrown to him he responds like my 10 mouth old little girl. Now if he gets the ball enough, he may be a solid sleeper and possibly more.

 
Another nice article on Bryant from today. Might be worth a late flyer as his ADP is around 18.01.

Antonio Bryant
I like this quote:Maurice Carthon was Parcells' offensive coordinator in Dallas and now holds the same job in Cleveland. He said that it was tough getting Bryant opportunities in the offense, but here "he's the guy, it looks like."
I really liked him and hoped he was the next great #88 for Dallas. The problem is when he doesn't get the ball thrown to him he responds like my 10 mouth old little girl. Now if he gets the ball enough, he may be a solid sleeper and possibly more.
You should of seen him at Pitt. :cry: :cry: :cry: It is rather clear that the main thing to hold Bryant back/down has been maturity. If he gets it together though, watch out this kid can play and always has had the talent.

 
He obviously didn't care to be playing behind Keyshawn and Glenn, especially b/c Parcells never let him grow into a role. I think he definitely can shine with this new opportunity.

 

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