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What seemed like a weak draft at DB is suddenly looking much better. Cromartie is as good as they come and will be taken in the first half of the first round. His measureables will exceed Jimmy Williams. There's a funny story about why he declared today, but I don't have time to share.

He really really wanted to play in the Orange Bowl tonight. :yes:

He would have declared anyway, but they wouldn't let him play so he took his ball and went hom. :bye:

 
:no:Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].

 
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Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.

Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].
Kiper is goofy on this one. Cromartie is in Williams class, and I think he is better. Size and speed like his at corner with his athleticism, hands, hips, etc., are very rare. Williams is the only corner who compares, and they are close. Cromartie just got his paperwork from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, a better source than Kiper. I'm pretty sure they told him something similar to my opinion. Earlier in the month an article on him and Sims claimed neither would come out unless they were first rounders. I think Sims has more to think about than Cromartie. Blesto's spring grade on Cromartie, before the injury, was DB #2 of all draft eligible players. How Kiper ranks him 6th amongst juniors is silly, but there's a few other very silly names on his big board presently.
 
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Jimmy Williams is a low character kid. Someone will blow a pick on him.
What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
 
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Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.

Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].
Kiper is goofy on this one. Cromartie is in Williams class, and I think he is better. Size and speed like his at corner with his athleticism, hands, hips, etc., are very rare. Williams is the only corner who compares, and they are close. Cromartie just got his paperwork from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, a better source than Kiper. I'm pretty sure they told him something similar to my opinion. Earlier in the month an article on him and Sims claimed neither would come out unless they were first rounders. I think Sims has more to think about than Cromartie. Blesto's spring grade on Cromartie, before the injury, was DB #2 of all draft eligible players. How Kiper ranks him 6th amongst juniors is silly, but there's a few other very silly names on his big board presently.
Time will tell...Kiper has his ups and downs to be sure, but NFL Draft Scout has been by far the best among the various site the last few years [in my opinion] and they too have him as a 3rd rounder and 7th among juniors. Obviously all of this is predicated on Cromartie being out this entire year, and he'll need to deliver on measurables that rival Williams to get into the 1st round mix. Given his size, any lack of speed [as both Kiper and NFL Draft Scout allude to] will really hurt him...the record for tall but slow corners is questionable. I'm aware that, prior to his injury, Cromartie projected as a top prospect but all bets are off until he can deliver on his times. To me, I see him as someone better equipped to play free safety at the next level and that won't get him into Jimmy Williams' class.

 
Time will tell...Kiper has his ups and downs to be sure, but NFL Draft Scout has been by far the best among the various site the last few years [in my opinion] and they too have him as a 3rd rounder and 7th among juniors. Obviously all of this is predicated on Cromartie being out this entire year, and he'll need to deliver on measurables that rival Williams to get into the 1st round mix. Given his size, any lack of speed [as both Kiper and NFL Draft Scout allude to] will really hurt him...the record for tall but slow corners is questionable. I'm aware that, prior to his injury, Cromartie projected as a top prospect but all bets are off until he can deliver on his times.

To me, I see him as someone better equipped to play free safety at the next level and that won't get him into Jimmy Williams' class.
I agree with most of this, but want to add a little. Certainly, the injury is cause for the current downgrade, so it should be explained that he's been running at full speed for a couple weeks, practiced this week, felt good, looked good, apparently hasn't lost a step, etc. He petitioned hard to get in the game tonight. One of his teammates described him as "deadly". He should shoot up at NFL Draft Scout soon, and after the combine I think he'll be a solid first rounder. Oddly, Jimmy Williams was invited to the combine as a safety. I doubt they'll send a similar invite to Cromartie. So yeah, we'll see. If the reports of his recovery are false, and they are coming directly from him, then he'll fall. If he burns it up, I'm pretty sure Williams has competition. I don't think he can pass Williams. I just don't think Landry, Bing, Huff, Hill will be taken before someone with Cromartie's measureables.

McGahee's situation was much worse and he still went before LJ. Granted he fell pretty far, but his injury was far worse and much closer to the draft.

 
Jimmy Williams is a low character kid.  Someone will blow a pick on him.
What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
Yes. If you follow VT at all you would know. Or research it.
 
Jimmy Williams is a low character kid. Someone will blow a pick on him.
What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
Yes. If you follow VT at all you would know. Or research it.
I researched it. I found nothing, but Jimmy Williams is a very common name. I found one NFL exec who isn't impressed with his playmaking. I found a complaint that he's arrogant and gives opponents bulletin board material. I don't follow VT any more than many other teams but I have been following the draft prospects very closely, and I haven't heard about this low character. I found no legal issues, no academic issues, no problems with coaches or teammates, nothing. None of the draft sites I read that talk about this stuff to the point of gossip has anything either. If you're going to make the accusation, you should be able to explain it. Please do. Thanks.
 
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Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.

Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].
Kiper is goofy on this one. Cromartie is in Williams class, and I think he is better. Size and speed like his at corner with his athleticism, hands, hips, etc., are very rare. Williams is the only corner who compares, and they are close. Cromartie just got his paperwork from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, a better source than Kiper. I'm pretty sure they told him something similar to my opinion. Earlier in the month an article on him and Sims claimed neither would come out unless they were first rounders. I think Sims has more to think about than Cromartie. Blesto's spring grade on Cromartie, before the injury, was DB #2 of all draft eligible players. How Kiper ranks him 6th amongst juniors is silly, but there's a few other very silly names on his big board presently.
Time will tell...Kiper has his ups and downs to be sure, but NFL Draft Scout has been by far the best among the various site the last few years [in my opinion] and they too have him as a 3rd rounder and 7th among juniors. Obviously all of this is predicated on Cromartie being out this entire year, and he'll need to deliver on measurables that rival Williams to get into the 1st round mix. Given his size, any lack of speed [as both Kiper and NFL Draft Scout allude to] will really hurt him...the record for tall but slow corners is questionable. I'm aware that, prior to his injury, Cromartie projected as a top prospect but all bets are off until he can deliver on his times. To me, I see him as someone better equipped to play free safety at the next level and that won't get him into Jimmy Williams' class.
:no: :no: I think they have the wrong guy. Cromartie has never ran over 4.4 no matter how he has been timed. You will definately get to see a 6'3 or 6'4 gut that runs a legit 4.3 at the combine. That will definately get you 1st round. I have also heard locally that his knee has tested very well and he is making cuts on it already. I think come time for the combine he will be very impressive. Remember this guy was a preseason AA and had only started one game he has all the tools.

 
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Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.

Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].
Kiper is goofy on this one. Cromartie is in Williams class, and I think he is better. Size and speed like his at corner with his athleticism, hands, hips, etc., are very rare. Williams is the only corner who compares, and they are close. Cromartie just got his paperwork from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, a better source than Kiper. I'm pretty sure they told him something similar to my opinion. Earlier in the month an article on him and Sims claimed neither would come out unless they were first rounders. I think Sims has more to think about than Cromartie. Blesto's spring grade on Cromartie, before the injury, was DB #2 of all draft eligible players. How Kiper ranks him 6th amongst juniors is silly, but there's a few other very silly names on his big board presently.
Time will tell...Kiper has his ups and downs to be sure, but NFL Draft Scout has been by far the best among the various site the last few years [in my opinion] and they too have him as a 3rd rounder and 7th among juniors. Obviously all of this is predicated on Cromartie being out this entire year, and he'll need to deliver on measurables that rival Williams to get into the 1st round mix. Given his size, any lack of speed [as both Kiper and NFL Draft Scout allude to] will really hurt him...the record for tall but slow corners is questionable. I'm aware that, prior to his injury, Cromartie projected as a top prospect but all bets are off until he can deliver on his times. To me, I see him as someone better equipped to play free safety at the next level and that won't get him into Jimmy Williams' class.
:no: :no: I think they have the wrong guy. Cromartie has never ran over 4.4 no matter how he has been timed. You will definately get to see a 6'3 or 6'4 gut that runs a legit 4.3 at the combine. That will definately get you 1st round. I have also heard locally that his knee has tested very well and he is making cuts on it already. I think come time for the combine he will be very impressive. Remember this guy was a preseason AA and had only started one game he has all the tools.
:goodposting: He will be mid to late first round come the draft. :thumbup:

 
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Cromartie isn't in Williams' class, and doesn't project as a first rounder, let alone someone that will go in the top of the first round.

Kiper ranks Cromartie 6th among junior defensive backs [behind Meriwether, Landry, Youboty, Griffin & Bing], and NFL Draft Scout projects Cromartie as a 3rd rounder and the 7th best junior cornerback [behind Youboty, Webb, Marshall, Hall, Gordon, and Hughes].
He was a pre season playboy All American this year. http://seminoles.collegesports.com/sports/..._antonio00.html

You may get Playboy for the girls but I get it for the articles :unsure:

I know he tore his ACL but I still do not see how he is the #6 DB in this years NFL draft.

 
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drafted #19 over all, 3rd CB drafted

Not bad for a guy who missed the 2005 season and only started 1 game in college

 
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Yup...credit to those who predicted this would happen. I just didn't (and still don't) see how a guy with such little starting experience and a major injury can warrant a mid first rounder. But his workout sent him back into the stratosphere to stay.

 
Jimmy Williams is a low character kid.  Someone will blow a pick on him.

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What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
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Yes. If you follow VT at all you would know. Or research it.
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I researched it. I found nothing, but Jimmy Williams is a very common name. I found one NFL exec who isn't impressed with his playmaking. I found a complaint that he's arrogant and gives opponents bulletin board material. I don't follow VT any more than many other teams but I have been following the draft prospects very closely, and I haven't heard about this low character. I found no legal issues, no academic issues, no problems with coaches or teammates, nothing. None of the draft sites I read that talk about this stuff to the point of gossip has anything either. If you're going to make the accusation, you should be able to explain it. Please do. Thanks.
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Still waiting.
 
Jimmy Williams is a low character kid.  Someone will blow a pick on him.

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What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
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Yes. If you follow VT at all you would know. Or research it.
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Sweet maybe Williams falls to SD at 19 then.
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Well Williams was there adn slid to round 2.

The Cromartie pick is o.k. but he has to be really green. His speed and size is rare.

Facing Moss and now Walker twice a year SD needed an upgrade at corner.

I could see Jammer moveing to saftey and the secondary being

Cromartie,Flroence at CB

Jammer. McCree at Saftey.

 
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I just didn't (and still don't) see how a guy with such little starting experience and a major injury can warrant a mid first rounder.

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If you're referring to the stat bandied about that he only started one game, that's a misleading stat. He was a sophomore, and the coaches let the seniors "start" by playing on the first play of the game. But Cromartie was the best CB on the team and got the most playing time. He was first-team All-ACC as a sophomore (six interceptions), an honor not bestowed on backups.The Chargers determined that the injury isn't a concern since he's running a 4.38 and jumped 42 inches. If he's not fully recovered . . . watch out when he his. Maybe he'll run a 4.28. (In fact, though, he is fully recovered.)

 
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Yup...credit to those who predicted this would happen. I just didn't (and still don't) see how a guy with such little starting experience and a major injury can warrant a mid first rounder. But his workout sent him back into the stratosphere to stay.

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I said the same thing as it happened.Ask TommyGunZ :ph34r:

 
If you're referring to the stat bandied about that he only started one game, that's a misleading stat. He was a sophomore, and the coaches let the seniors "start" by playing on the first play of the game.

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This has always been the case, for most part with Bowden.
 
If you're referring to the stat bandied about that he only started one game, that's a misleading stat. He was a sophomore, and the coaches let the seniors "start" by playing on the first play of the game.

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This has always been the case, for most part with Bowden.
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:goodposting: "Starts" in college mean little. Its all about the playing time. IIRC, when he was healthy, AC played more than 75% of the game.

 
Jimmy Williams is a low character kid.  Someone will blow a pick on him.

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What makes him a low character kid? Getting thrown out of his last game for touching an official? It was so minor. Is there more to this bad character talk?
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My understanding is he was arrested for mopery back in '03
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He was charged with molesting a dead horse? Typical.
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I thought mopery was misdemeanor moping. A little too lazy for the law.
 
Antonio Cromartie

Cornerback

Height: 6-foot-3

Weight: 210 pounds

Class Year: Jr

Experience: 3V

High School: Lincoln

Hometown: Tallahassee, FL

40 time: 4.39 seconds

NFL Draft Summary

Frank Coyle: Cromartie is the best defensive back in this class. He gives the Chargers' battered secondary a shutdown corner. He can match up with big, fast receivers and has the talent to press for a starting job as a rookie.

Pros: Cromartie declared for the NFL Draft after missing the 2005 season following knee surgery. He has the combination of size, speed, quickness, agility and instincts only the highest blue-chip cornerbacks possess. He has rare movement skills for a 6-foot-2 athlete and performs positional skills that only 180-pound athletes can accomplish. He has the hip flexibility and footwork of a much smaller athlete with the height and reach to matchup with any receiver in the game. He is the best college corner over the past two decades. In his back pedal, he is smooth, fluid and is able to break quickly on the ball. He has exceptional ball skills and competes for the pass on every attempt. He shows good recognition of plays with the rare closing burst to make up for mistakes and incredible top-drawer ball skills. His workouts at both the NFL Combine and Florida State pro day indicate his knee problems are behind him. His decision to declare for the draft came as a surprise, but his postseason performance has opened eyes to his athletic skills.

Cons: He missed the entire 2005 season with a knee injury sustained in July 2005. His bizarre college career includes only one start. In zone coverage, he is raw in many respects and needs development. He is not alert and instinctive to recognize routes and his decision-making is not as developed as necessary. As a tackler, he is not really physical.

Numbers: At the Combine, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 seconds, with a 38î vertical jump and an 11í broad jump. His 10-yard split was 1.53 seconds, one of the best at the event. At Florida Stateís pro day, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds with a time of 3.89 seconds in the short shuttle and a time of 7.02 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also had a 44î vertical jump and did 18 reps of the 225-pound bench press. His overall stats in 2004 include four interceptions and two touchdowns on an interception and fumble recovery.

This is special to Rivals.com from Frank Coyle. Coyle has written about the NFL Draft in his newsletter for more than 15 years and has endorsements from NFL veterans like Gil Brandt, Phil Savage and Charley Casserly. Coyle's work can also be found at www.draftinsiders.com - where he offers a free NFL e-mail service. You may call Coyle toll-free at 800-776-1949.
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Okay, that is a bit extreme in the praise. But I'm telling you, once you see this kid play healthy, a lot of you will be on the bandwagon. It's not just his size, 40 time, vert, etc; this guy is amazingly fluid, instinctive and a committed football player. As an FSU fan, I see talented college players constantly. This guy really stands out. Even with Sims, Bunkley, Wimberly, AJ, Pat and all the other guys, Cromartie was considered by most FSU fans the best player on that defense before the injury. When he went down a lot of fans wrote the season off. The Chargers got a steal at 19 and when the Jags didn't trade up with the Cowboys at 18, on some levels my draft was ruined. I don't remember the last prospect from FSU I felt this strongly about, but it has been a long time. Maybe not 20 years, but a long time none the less.

 
Okay, that is a bit extreme in the praise.  But I'm telling you, once you see this kid play healthy, a lot of you will be on the bandwagon. It's not just his size, 40 time, vert, etc; this guy is amazingly fluid, instinctive and a committed football player. As an FSU fan, I see talented college players constantly. This guy really stands out. Even with Sims, Bunkley, Wimberly, AJ, Pat and all the other guys, Cromartie was considered by most FSU fans the best player on that defense before the injury. When he went down a lot of fans wrote the season off. The Chargers got a steal at 19 and when the Jags didn't trade up with the Cowboys at 18, on some levels my draft was ruined. I don't remember the last prospect from FSU I felt this strongly about, but it has been a long time. Maybe not 20 years, but a long time none the less.

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I still remember when he was the USA Today high school defensive player of the year and being surprised that a CB won the award, seems like something that high school LB's would win.
 
and a committed football player.

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One thing that I think really speaks well for him, is that when his season was lost to the ACL injury, he did not lose his mental focus on the season. He watched film with the coaches and attended every practice. Since he couldn't line up on the field himself, he spent his time watching film and tutoring the other DBs on opponents' tendencies. That's pretty cool.
 
and a committed football player.

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One thing that I think really speaks well for him, is that when his season was lost to the ACL injury, he did not lose his mental focus on the season. He watched film with the coaches and attended every practice. Since he couldn't line up on the field himself, he spent his time watching film and tutoring the other DBs on opponents' tendencies. That's pretty cool.
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That a very good point and one I forgot to mention. This guy is a coaches and fans dream. Another one I forgot to mention is that he has very good hands and doesn't miss the INT often if has even a remote shot at it and is a threat once he has the ball. This guy is the total package and I'm going to stop bragging on him now because I'm still disappointed that the Jags didn't trade up to get him.
 
Antonio Cromartie

Cornerback

Height: 6-foot-3

Weight: 210 pounds

Class Year: Jr

Experience: 3V

High School: Lincoln

Hometown: Tallahassee, FL

40 time: 4.39 seconds

NFL Draft Summary

Frank Coyle: Cromartie is the best defensive back in this class. He gives the Chargers' battered secondary a shutdown corner. He can match up with big, fast receivers and has the talent to press for a starting job as a rookie.

Pros: Cromartie declared for the NFL Draft after missing the 2005 season following knee surgery. He has the combination of size, speed, quickness, agility and instincts only the highest blue-chip cornerbacks possess. He has rare movement skills for a 6-foot-2 athlete and performs positional skills that only 180-pound athletes can accomplish. He has the hip flexibility and footwork of a much smaller athlete with the height and reach to matchup with any receiver in the game. He is the best college corner over the past two decades. In his back pedal, he is smooth, fluid and is able to break quickly on the ball. He has exceptional ball skills and competes for the pass on every attempt. He shows good recognition of plays with the rare closing burst to make up for mistakes and incredible top-drawer ball skills. His workouts at both the NFL Combine and Florida State pro day indicate his knee problems are behind him. His decision to declare for the draft came as a surprise, but his postseason performance has opened eyes to his athletic skills.

Cons: He missed the entire 2005 season with a knee injury sustained in July 2005. His bizarre college career includes only one start. In zone coverage, he is raw in many respects and needs development. He is not alert and instinctive to recognize routes and his decision-making is not as developed as necessary. As a tackler, he is not really physical.

Numbers: At the Combine, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.44 seconds, with a 38î vertical jump and an 11í broad jump. His 10-yard split was 1.53 seconds, one of the best at the event. At Florida Stateís pro day, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds with a time of 3.89 seconds in the short shuttle and a time of 7.02 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also had a 44î vertical jump and did 18 reps of the 225-pound bench press. His overall stats in 2004 include four interceptions and two touchdowns on an interception and fumble recovery.

This is special to Rivals.com from Frank Coyle. Coyle has written about the NFL Draft in his newsletter for more than 15 years and has endorsements from NFL veterans like Gil Brandt, Phil Savage and Charley Casserly. Coyle's work can also be found at www.draftinsiders.com - where he offers a free NFL e-mail service. You may call Coyle toll-free at 800-776-1949.
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admit it, you want to say it... FSU :bow:
 
There is some video of Cromartie at this weekend's mini-camp up at Chargers.com. Look on the main page under "Multimedia."

Watch how fast he breaks on the ball on his interception at the end of the clip. Yeah, it is against a WR who won't make an NFL roster, but still . . .

 
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