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Will Cromartie have an average impact or big impact as a rookie in 2006?

Will he be a starter in 2006 or will he take over in 2007?

 
I would be shocked if he started in 2006 - he has all of 1 college start under his belt. nickel and dime package duty is definitely possible.

 
he has all of 1 college start under his belt.
Cromartie effectively started every game as a sophomore, but the coaches at Florida State let the seniors play on the first play of the game. So Cromartie didn't technically start, but he was the Seminoles' best DB and got more playing time than any other DB. He was first-team ALL-ACC. The guy who "started" was not.I doubt that Cromartie will open the season as the starter, but it really depends on Drayton Florence as much as it depends on Cromartie. Both are talented athletically, but Florence was picked on a lot last year. It will be a good traning camp battle.

 
he has all of 1 college start under his belt.
Cromartie effectively started every game as a sophomore, but the coaches at Florida State let the seniors play on the first play of the game. So Cromartie didn't technically start, but he was the Seminoles' best DB and got more playing time than any other DB. He was first-team ALL-ACC. The guy who "started" was not.I doubt that Cromartie will open the season as the starter, but it really depends on Drayton Florence as much as it depends on Cromartie. Both are talented athletically, but Florence was picked on a lot last year. It will be a good traning camp battle.
It may also have a lot to do with how legitimate the Ty Law talk is.Seems like a perfect fit for me. Rent Law for a year while Cromartie gets adjusted to the NFL as a nickel back. Strengthens an obvious area of weakness on the defense. With Godfrey/Edwards all but gone next year(and maybe Marty with them if things don't go well) it makes a lot of sense to sign Law to a one year contract and make a big push to go deep into the playoffs this season. If things blow up you still have a young nucleus on this team to rebuild with and all those players/coach would be on the way out without cap penalties.

They certainly have the $, so what's the downside?

 
They certainly have the $, so what's the downside?
I think Law would be a nice one-year stop-gap while Cromartie gets his feet wet. The only drawback I can see is that Jammer's contract will have to be extended this year, and if we give Law $10 million or whatever, that may drive up Jammer's asking price.
 
I don't want to start a new thread, so I'll stick this Jammer article from today in the Cromartie thread.

Jammer enjoys big day

Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006

By Casey Pearce, Chargers.com

As Chargers cornerback Quentin Jammer walked off of the practice field following Monday morning’s Offseason Coaching Session, wide receiver Keenan McCardell gave him a pat on the back and a quick message of praise.

“You got me,” McCardell said.

Earlier in the day, the 15-year veteran was lined up across from Jammer during one-on-one passing drills. McCardell faked the post before cutting to the corner but was unable to shake his younger counterpart, forcing quarterback Philip Rivers to throw the ball away.

“Eric (Parker) and I were just chatting the other day about what a good offseason Jam is having,” McCardell said. “I thought I made a pretty good move on him but he recognized it and stuck with me. I’ve been impressed with him.”

The highlight was one of a handful for Jammer Monday. Later in the exercise, he denied McCardell the ball on a crossing pattern and during team drills, the fifth-year corner broke on a ball and ripped it from the hands of tight end Antonio Gates.

“I’ve been working on all the little things and just trying to put it together,” Jammer said. “I know what my weaknesses are. I’ve spent extra time on them, just trying to iron them out. I want to see improvement in my hands and in my footwork. Today was nice, but consistency is what is key. I’ve got to keep it up.”

Parker mentioned that he was particularly impressed with how Jammer has played at the line of scrimmage this spring. Jammer’s physical abilities have always been a strength and now the fifth-year corner is honing in on his ability to play in space.

“I know I can play bump and run,” Jammer said. “If I get up to the line of scrimmage, I’m confident that I can beat just about anybody. I’m confident in my abilities to get a good jam and keep guys from going where they want to. I’m trying to work off (the receiver) and get some reps on coverages other than ‘press’. That’s where I need to get better.”

Jammer doesn’t shy away from the fact that his interception numbers are not where he’d like them to be, but he also claims that picks aren’t the only way to measure a cornerback.

“The biggest thing is to not get beat,” Jammer said. “You just don’t want to give up the big plays. People always want to talk about interceptions, and trust me, that’s important to me. But I think you can be a successful corner in this league without having those kinds of numbers. As long as my man isn’t scoring touchdowns, that’s what I’m more concerned with.”

After reviewing the film of 2005, Jammer believes he was responsible for giving up only two touchdowns. He hopes to build on the momentum he gained last fall, and Chargers Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer believes he’s doing just that.

“When you go back and look at last year’s tape, Quentin had a really good season for us,” Chargers Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer said. “I think what you’ll find is that he will build off of last year. It’s given him more confidence. That’s very important quality for any player to have, but particularly a guy hanging out there on the corner.”

When asked specifically about the plays he made in practice Monday, Jammer pointed simply to his experience.

“I’m a veteran of this league now and have to be able to recognize things,” Jammer said. “Cornerback is one of those positions where it’s hard to come in and immediately be a superstar. You just have to stick with it and the more you see it, the more you recognize what’s going on in front of you. That allows you to be in the right places at the right time and I’ve been able to do that lately. I just have to put it all together, have a great camp and carry that into the fall.”
 
Boy, if Jammer takes it up a notch and Cro is for real (allowing Drayton to move to nickel), the Chargers defense could become dominant in short order.

The potential is there for a multi-year, deep playoff run. I can't think of any team in the NFL that has as much young talent as the Bolts, on both sides of the ball.

Rivers, Cro, and Vincent Jackson are all wild cards - here's hoping two of the three come up aces.

 
They certainly have the $, so what's the downside?
I think Law would be a nice one-year stop-gap while Cromartie gets his feet wet. The only drawback I can see is that Jammer's contract will have to be extended this year, and if we give Law $10 million or whatever, that may drive up Jammer's asking price.
Turns out Law inks a deal in KC for $5mil for essentially one season. Ugh, not only do we sign the guy that's a perfect fit for us but he gets snatched up by a division rival for next to nothing.If this is what AJ was saving that Brees $ for(Marlon McCree) then I'm gonna be kinda pissed if Rivers gets hurt and we're playing Feely. May as well have two expensive QB's if they aren't going to spend the $ on FA's. I really felt they should have chased Shaffer given Obens age/health.

It's just frustrating because I think they are close to winning a few playoff games(still don't think they are a SB contender though) but they don't seem willing to pull off signifigant moves to become a SB contender even if the price to make such moves is reasonable.

 
Cromartie almost single handedly beat the Hurricane himself 2 years ago. His knee heeld really fast last year. He could have played against Penn Stat in the Orange Bowl. I've seen some footage of him practicing at FSU last week with the college kids and he looks as good as ever.

 
Boy, if Jammer takes it up a notch and Cro is for real (allowing Drayton to move to nickel), the Chargers defense could become dominant in short order.The potential is there for a multi-year, deep playoff run. I can't think of any team in the NFL that has as much young talent as the Bolts, on both sides of the ball.Rivers, Cro, and Vincent Jackson are all wild cards - here's hoping two of the three come up aces.
One of those 2 that comes up an ace has to be Rivers. If Rivers is not a top 15 QB within 2-3yrs then the bolts are in trouble.
 
Yahoo story

The results of Cromartie's diligence have quickly become obvious to Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer. On Tuesday, a pass, which had plenty of zip on it, was barely tipped by wide receiver Kasim Osgood – the kind of deflection that defenders with even the quickest hands can let bounce off their shoulder pads.

However, Cromartie snared the ball on the move and never broke stride on his return.

"That one catch he made was remarkable [with] his ability to locate the ball and secure it. Most guys would have done this," said Schottenheimer, mimicking a juggling act.

"I look back at the athletes I have had the good fortune to be around and Dale Carter always comes to mind for me. I would say Cromartie is in that class as an athlete. He's actually bigger and stronger. Dale probably weighed 190 pounds soaking wet and this young man is probably 205 and he has shown a willingness to [come up and hit]." (...)

Cromartie is hardly shy about his talent. Later in last Tuesday's practice, he recognized a quick slant pass and jumped the route for his second interception of the afternoon. As he ran past the offense, he talked some good-natured smack and some of the offensive players started playfully chasing him down the field to the end zone.

Cromartie, who still has much to learn about man-to-man coverage and is still listed behind veteran Drayton Florence, beat them all to the end zone and celebrated by chucking the ball into the stands.

To Schottenheimer, it's the beginning of a promising career.

"His instincts are very good. He is very gifted athletically and he has terrific ball skills as you saw out there today," Schottenheimer said. "But the interesting thing about him is that as he becomes more comfortable with what we’re doing and there is less need for him to think his way through it and to actually react, the sky is the limit from an athletic standpoint."
I'm calling it now. Cromartie starts the opener despite still being behind Florence. Those of us who loved him in the run up to the draft, mostly loved his ball skills, size, speed, and therefore potential. The Chargers need his hands on defense, more than they need Florence possibly being more consistent in coverage. So, if I'm right the question is, does Cromartie become a picked on rookie?
 
Yahoo story

The results of Cromartie's diligence have quickly become obvious to Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer. On Tuesday, a pass, which had plenty of zip on it, was barely tipped by wide receiver Kasim Osgood – the kind of deflection that defenders with even the quickest hands can let bounce off their shoulder pads.

However, Cromartie snared the ball on the move and never broke stride on his return.

"That one catch he made was remarkable [with] his ability to locate the ball and secure it. Most guys would have done this," said Schottenheimer, mimicking a juggling act.

"I look back at the athletes I have had the good fortune to be around and Dale Carter always comes to mind for me. I would say Cromartie is in that class as an athlete. He's actually bigger and stronger. Dale probably weighed 190 pounds soaking wet and this young man is probably 205 and he has shown a willingness to [come up and hit]." (...)

Cromartie is hardly shy about his talent. Later in last Tuesday's practice, he recognized a quick slant pass and jumped the route for his second interception of the afternoon. As he ran past the offense, he talked some good-natured smack and some of the offensive players started playfully chasing him down the field to the end zone.

Cromartie, who still has much to learn about man-to-man coverage and is still listed behind veteran Drayton Florence, beat them all to the end zone and celebrated by chucking the ball into the stands.

To Schottenheimer, it's the beginning of a promising career.

"His instincts are very good. He is very gifted athletically and he has terrific ball skills as you saw out there today," Schottenheimer said. "But the interesting thing about him is that as he becomes more comfortable with what we’re doing and there is less need for him to think his way through it and to actually react, the sky is the limit from an athletic standpoint."
I'm calling it now. Cromartie starts the opener despite still being behind Florence. Those of us who loved him in the run up to the draft, mostly loved his ball skills, size, speed, and therefore potential. The Chargers need his hands on defense, more than they need Florence possibly being more consistent in coverage. So, if I'm right the question is, does Cromartie become a picked on rookie?
Don't see why not. Question will be whether he has enough run support capability to stay productive long term for those in dynasty formats. When he earns the starting job, he ought to be a solid, though inconsistent, option in most redraft formats.
 
Cromartie will be on the field a lot whether or not he starts. Florence has had a great training camp, but Cromartie is still in the running to overtake him. Either way, Jammer, Florence, and Cromartie will all play a lot.

 
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Don't see why not. Question will be whether he has enough run support capability to stay productive long term for those in dynasty formats. When he earns the starting job, he ought to be a solid, though inconsistent, option in most redraft formats.
I think his athleticism is frightening to DCs, seriously. Are you going to challenge a known like Jammer or an unknown freak like Cromartie? I would attack Jammer, but try to set up Cromartie to be burned. Way back before the draft, Wood and I had a spirited debate about Jimmy Williams and Cromartie. I think I won, since the argument was primarily about draft position (though Williams character issues changed the dynamics), but I pointed this out then. Williams is a fierce hitter. He will blow up a good sized RB and demolish a WR. But he isn't the presence that Cromartie is in run support. He needs that "safety" angle, a running start, where Cromartie is like an LB using his long arms to fend off blocks and shoot in for tackles. I think in the same system Cromartie would be better in run support than Williams.
 
The two things I've really been impressed by with Cromartie are his tackling and his ability to play the ball. (Okay, and his catch-up speed, so three things.) He still gets burned too often, though. Florence is much more consistent in coverage.

It's an interesting battle for sure.

 
Don't see why not. Question will be whether he has enough run support capability to stay productive long term for those in dynasty formats. When he earns the starting job, he ought to be a solid, though inconsistent, option in most redraft formats.
I think his athleticism is frightening to DCs, seriously. Are you going to challenge a known like Jammer or an unknown freak like Cromartie? I would attack Jammer, but try to set up Cromartie to be burned. Way back before the draft, Wood and I had a spirited debate about Jimmy Williams and Cromartie. I think I won, since the argument was primarily about draft position (though Williams character issues changed the dynamics), but I pointed this out then. Williams is a fierce hitter. He will blow up a good sized RB and demolish a WR. But he isn't the presence that Cromartie is in run support. He needs that "safety" angle, a running start, where Cromartie is like an LB using his long arms to fend off blocks and shoot in for tackles. I think in the same system Cromartie would be better in run support than Williams.
The two things I've really been impressed by with Cromartie are his tackling and his ability to play the ball. (Okay, and his catch-up speed, so three things.) He still gets burned too often, though. Florence is much more consistent in coverage.It's an interesting battle for sure.
Anybody else immediately think of the Spanish Inquisition when they read MT's reply. His chief weapon is his ball skills. Tackling and ball skills. His two weapons are tackling and ball skills...and recovery speed. Amongst his weaponry are tackling, ball skills, and recovery speed. And nice uniforms with bolts on the helmets. Ah bugger. :P -- but seriously...Really? He's been that impressive in run support in college (where I'm lost without Bloom and CC) and now in camp? I suppose I need to watch him pretty closely early on.
 
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Really? He's been that impressive in run support in college (where I'm lost without Bloom and CC) and now in camp? I suppose I need to watch him pretty closely early on.
I can't find the links, but over at NFL DraftCountdown there was video of him playing as a Freshman. We only have his frosh and soph seasons to go by, and he played on a D where huge individual stats were hard to garner, but the many plays he made against the run were really something for his age. He had that man among boys look to him as a frosh. He was USA Today's HS Defensive Player of the Year, and his rep was as a big hitter and great tackler way back then. I think he's very comparable to Bailey at the same stage (a year behind Champ entering the league though).
 
Anyone want to give a 2007 and beyond outlook for Cromartie? I traded for him in my dynasty league and really don't know what to expect.

 
Anyone want to give a 2007 and beyond outlook for Cromartie? I traded for him in my dynasty league and really don't know what to expect.
Well, if Florence held him off once, he'll probably do it again. They are both very young, but Drayton has the advantage of experience now (and being better than I imagined). I still believe Cromartie has a great future in the NFL, but I doubt he'll have any significant IDP value next season. Down the road, I still see a kid with Champ Bailey's skillset and no real reason (other than injury) why he won't be able to be a star in the league. This should be his rookie year, so I'll give him a mulligan for one more season and expect AJ and Norv to figure out how to keep him on the field from then on. He is a luxury hold on deep rosters and a free agent to watch in shallow leagues. I have him on a 53 man Zealots roster, start 2 or 3 DBs, no differentiation between CB and S... and I may not have the roster spot by cutdown time this year.
 
Anyone want to give a 2007 and beyond outlook for Cromartie? I traded for him in my dynasty league and really don't know what to expect.
Well, if Florence held him off once, he'll probably do it again. They are both very young, but Drayton has the advantage of experience now (and being better than I imagined). I still believe Cromartie has a great future in the NFL, but I doubt he'll have any significant IDP value next season. Down the road, I still see a kid with Champ Bailey's skillset and no real reason (other than injury) why he won't be able to be a star in the league. This should be his rookie year, so I'll give him a mulligan for one more season and expect AJ and Norv to figure out how to keep him on the field from then on. He is a luxury hold on deep rosters and a free agent to watch in shallow leagues. I have him on a 53 man Zealots roster, start 2 or 3 DBs, no differentiation between CB and S... and I may not have the roster spot by cutdown time this year.
I don't know what to believe about Florence. On one hand, every time I've seen him play (which has admittedly been relatively rare) I haven't been real impressed. On the other hand, he was pimped as having a Pro Bowl year last season and one game charting outlets praised him as a highly underrated cover corner based on their game data.My guess is that it's a combination of both. I probably caught Florence on relatively bad days but there is little question to me that the Charger front seven seriously masks some major deficiencies in the secondary. And there's probably an element of "Crap, they just drafted a super talented rookie who plays my position" to Florence's play last season too. I don't know that Cromartie will ever put it together, but I agree with CC -- the skill set is there for big time NFL (and IDP) production. I also agree that he's a real tough hold in a standard league where it's hard to wait on a DB with potential when there's fresh meat on the waiver lines.
 
This is your last chance to buy Cromartie low. He'll split a lot of time with Florence, but Drayton will walk at the end of the season and I strongly believe Cromartie is only a year away from being a Pro Bowler himself.

He is a physical freak, a standout on a standout defense. He's going to be just as dominant as Shawne Merriman in the near future, IMbiasedO.

 
This is your last chance to buy Cromartie low. He'll split a lot of time with Florence, but Drayton will walk at the end of the season and I strongly believe Cromartie is only a year away from being a Pro Bowler himself. He is a physical freak, a standout on a standout defense. He's going to be just as dominant as Shawne Merriman in the near future, IMbiasedO.
I agree 100%. He almost single handily beat Miami his junior year.
 
I hate to say it being I was his original pimp around here, but Cromartie was awful last night. I'm certain he's in the doghouse after that performance. Blew a couple assignments, got whipped for a TD by a guy who probably won't make the Cards, seemed out of sorts, lost or tentative for most of the game. Even seemed uncomfortable on special teams.

Florence may well be gone next year and Cromartie may be awesome once he's finally on the field down in and down out, but I see no value this year, and being he's a corner, I'm not sure the future IDP value is going to materialize. If you start corners, have a big roster, it's possibly wise to wait it out another year. If you don't... I'm cutting him soon.

 
This is your last chance to buy Cromartie low. He'll split a lot of time with Florence, but Drayton will walk at the end of the season and I strongly believe Cromartie is only a year away from being a Pro Bowler himself. He is a physical freak, a standout on a standout defense. He's going to be just as dominant as Shawne Merriman in the near future, IMbiasedO.
:shrug:
 
That was an unbelievable interception he made last night where the receiver had the outside. I didn't think the ball was necessarily overthrown either, Cromartie just went up and got the ball.

 
spec1alk said:
That was an unbelievable interception he made last night where the receiver had the outside. I didn't think the ball was necessarily overthrown either, Cromartie just went up and got the ball.
That was pretty impressive.
 
He seems more of the "Big Play" DB; not a solid starter... FF terms ofcourse
It's kind of hard to tell. He's only had one start. He had one bad PI penalty. But he also made one GREAT INT that very few players in the NFL could have made. He was around the ball a lot and his athleticism enabled him to get two more INT's.With the offense struggling I really think they need both their young play makers in the game on defense(Cromartie/Weddle). They both play the ball very well. If the offense was clicking and putting all the pressure on the opponents offense to keep up like last year with Cam Cameron I might tend more to play the vets because you can win by simply avoiding mistakes. I think this years Chargers needs the defense to do more than simply avoid mistakes.
 
That was an unbelievable interception he made last night where the receiver had the outside. I didn't think the ball was necessarily overthrown either, Cromartie just went up and got the ball.
Cromartie's ball hawking skills are incredibly once he spots the ball in the air.
 
I doubt he makes the pro bowl since he is really not even a starter. He is surely a CB to keep an eye on for 2008 when he will most liely be a starting CB.

 
2 more picks for Cro.Pro Bowl bound in '07????
Tough to say, but if he finished the season leading the league in picks I think it would be difficult for him not to get the votes needed to go to the Pro Bowl.
ProBowl is a popularity contest. I think he's a lock to get in. The stats + constant barrage of highlights = votes. It might be as an alternate but he's going.Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Cromartie but even I don't think he's one of the best CB's in the NFL yet but the best player doesn't always get in. For that matter, you have to remember several of the best CB's in the AFC are getting up there in age and may pass on the trip. A lot of vets that have been several times before pass on the invitation. No way Cromartie passes if given the invitation at this stage of his career.Cromartie/Merriman are locks on defense for SD and I think Philips/Williams have a chance. Phillips deserves it more but Williams has the rep so he's more likely to make it. SD isn't nearly as stout against the run this year as they have been in years past.
 
... and another one in a tight game. No way this guy isn't on the field in Honolulu.

DET/DEN average an INT each week and OAK averages more than one INT per week. There's a very, very good chance Cromartie finishes in double digits with his INT total... and he's only started for half a season. Incredible.

 
He has better ball skills than half the WRs in the league. I have no idea why the Chargers dont give this guy a few snaps a game on offense.

 
He has better ball skills than half the WRs in the league. I have no idea why the Chargers dont give this guy a few snaps a game on offense.
You know, I didn't want to jinx the game by posting it, but when the Titans came up on the schedule my first thought was Cromartie has better hands than any of the TEN's WR's.
 
10int in his last 9 games, having only started 6 of them.

It's almost starting to piss me off a little. You can't tell me they couldn't see this guys talent in practice every single day. He should have been in the starting lineup for somebody after the Patriot game in week #2. Those losses to GB/KC were very close games. Even if he "only" got one INT in those two games that would have made a huge difference in those two games. If Favre is hanging 370/3 on you it's time to make a change mid-game.

 
Jaws: "Absolutely, it is a reach. ... He doesn't have the playing experience that you'd like to project him to the NFL level. ... People I've spoken to around the league that are good evaluators of the cornerback position have a problem with the guy. He lacks technique. ... Doesn't turn those hips like you see the good cornerbacks turn. ... There are clearly some concerns about Cromartie as you project him to the NFL."

Stink: "Potential is a nasty word. ... You start looking and evaluating players by the way they run 40s, by the way they vertical jump ... and you don't have enough film on this kid to say 'Yes, I think he translates.' ... There's not enough film. There's too many unknowns."

Hodge: "But what tape there was, studying him he's a very dangerous pick for a couple of reasons. When you study him on tape, he's playing against some awful quarterbacks. We've seen the highlight package. Those highlight packages are not great cornerback play. ... He's not making great plays on the football. ... In the highlight package we saw, those are actually poorly thrown balls. It won't happen at the next level."

 
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So, 1. Did he have the playing experience you would like to project to the NFL level?

2. Does he lack technique?

3. Does he turn his hips like good corners do?

4. How many of his interceptions were on poorly thrown balls versus making a great play on the football?

He had 6 of his 10 interceptions in two games. I like the kid and think he can end up being a pretty good corner but I won't be shocked to see he needs 3 years or more to post his next 10 interceptions.

 
Like every other corner in the league, he's an underdog to get double-digit INTs again in any particular season. But I think he's a pretty good favorite to get 10 over the next three seasons combined if he stays healthy. I guess we'll see.
 
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