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Antonio Gates (1 Viewer)

shadyridr

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Since week 9:

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5 absolutely horrible weeks in the 2nd half of the year. Was it LTs reemergence? I doubt it cuz LT had a huge year last year and Gates didnt have nearly that many bad games. Was it the Chris Chambers trade? Since Chambers became a Charger he had 32 receptions, 506 yards, and 3 TDs in 9 games. Nothing earth shattering. So what the hell was it?

 
Just looking at last night's game, it seemed like Denver was absolutely committed to stopping Gates. They either had Bailey on him or doubled him with a linebacker and safety. Even with all his success in recent years, it seems like the second half of this year was the first time teams were determined to take him away. And Rivers wasn't real great this year either.

 
I love this slow finish. Hopefully everyone I draft with next year remembers these last few games and forgets his first 4 yrs. I'll gladly scoop him up if he makes it to me past where he should be drafted.

 
I will be regretting not benching Gates for a healthy Vernon Davis all off-season. Second place is just first loser :goodposting:

 
shadyridr said:
5 absolutely horrible weeks in the 2nd half of the year. Was it LTs reemergence? I doubt it cuz LT had a huge year last year and Gates didnt have nearly that many bad games. Was it the Chris Chambers trade? Since Chambers became a Charger he had 32 receptions, 506 yards, and 3 TDs in 9 games. Nothing earth shattering. So what the hell was it?
Seriously, though ... Gates has had back trouble for a while. What I don't know is how many weeks, exactly, has it been since his back flared up. San Diego homers?
 
In tight end only leagues, Gates remains the most consistent player in an extremely inconsistent position. It will be the same next year. He's one of the only TE's who is regarded as a WR by his team. This position is a total crapshoot and you can't rely on it. Still, Gates remains the TE I would draft first next uyear (though possibly at a lower position than I did this year...)

 
my league:

1. Jason Witten

2. Tony Gonzalez

3. Antonio Gates

4. Kellen Winslow Jr

Gates was 4th on that list with 69 receptions.... Gonzo and Witten both had over 90! Chris Cooley almost matched Gates for receptions. Seems to me the gap at TE has just started to close in on Gates with names like Witten, Cooley, Winslow, Gonzalez, Clark emerging as go-to guys in their offenses. Gates is no longer head and shoulders above the rest of his peers at TE.

Here's what happened to Gates...

2004: 81/964/13

2005: 89/1101/10

2006: 71/924/9

2007: 69/922/9

Nothing! His stats are equal to last season. Yeah, he was on pace for some ridiculous stats to start the season, but did you seriously think that he was going to keep it up? The Gates owner in my league boasted weekly about how great it was he traded for Gates and how the season was over... he was the 2nd best team in the league and finished 6/6 in the playoffs!

What happened to Gates is that his owners got way too greedy and took everything he was giving for granted, hoping that 2006 was a down year and that he would return to 2005.

Everyone thought when Brees left Gates' value would go up as Rivers would use him as a "crutch"... not the case with Rivers. He relies on Gates less, or maybe teams are learning how to cover him better.

You don't have much to complain about anyways- Gates never went more than 2 games without scoring a TD, and the only TE to score more TDs than him was Clark... so nothing happened to him, you got greedy.

 
I drafted him in my big $$$ league and he helped propel me to a 14-0 regular season; but he also helped me lose in the semifinals and the 3rd place game. :thumbup: We just don't know how banged up he has been the last few weeks, I suspect he could've used some time off but didn't take/demand it.

 
His strech run was hurt by a couple factors

Injured back in the Titan game

Rivers and Chambers seem to be clicking alittle the past few weeks

When you can run the ball down teams throats, why pass?

 
I drafted him in my big $$$ league and he helped propel me to a 14-0 regular season; but he also helped me lose in the semifinals and the 3rd place game. :shrug: We just don't know how banged up he has been the last few weeks, I suspect he could've used some time off but didn't take/demand it.
He wasn't even on the Week 16 injury report, correct?
 
Tomlinson has gotten back on track, Rivers isn't playing all that well, and Chambers has turned out to be a great addition. I think Rivers is really the key here though. He is a below average QB this year.

 
His strech run was hurt by a couple factorsInjured back in the Titan gameRivers and Chambers seem to be clicking alittle the past few weeksWhen you can run the ball down teams throats, why pass?
Exactly.I'd also add two more;- Over the past 5 games the Chargers are +95 points so they really haven't needed to pass much. The only game where they were behind in the second half was TEN and he came through in the clutch in that game despite the injury.- As Ro3384 eludes to, nothing is wrong with him that can't be explained away by a bad back. I can't think of many other TE's in history that would have a "disappointing" 1000/10 season. Gates owners(like Tomlinson owners) are more than a little spoiled. You can go back and find plenty of people complaining about Tomlinson earlier in the year because he was "only" the #2 or #3 RB in the league at the time. Witten is a great player and has had a great year. It doesn't seem to Gates played any worse than we expected.... it's just Witten/Winslow and a lot of others played better than most of us expected.
 
It doesn't seem to Gates played any worse than we expected.... it's just Witten/Winslow and a lot of others played better than most of us expected.
True. Low fantasy-scoring games during the critical FFB playoff run also makes the low points of Gates' season much more memorable.
 
Gates can eat a juicy one for sinking both of my fantasy teams with terrible play in crunch time.

I used to have a man crush on his skillz when i had him in his breakout season, and have drafted him above his ADP ever since then because my leagues are TE ultra-heavy on their scoring and I dig the guy.

no more.. I've lost that lovin' feeling with Gates

 
gianmarco said:
I love this slow finish. Hopefully everyone I draft with next year remembers these last few games and forgets his first 4 yrs. I'll gladly scoop him up if he makes it to me past where he should be drafted.
they won't...you guys should of drafted Dallas Clark... #1 in TDs for TEs
 
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gianmarco said:
I love this slow finish. Hopefully everyone I draft with next year remembers these last few games and forgets his first 4 yrs. I'll gladly scoop him up if he makes it to me past where he should be drafted.
they won't...you guys should of drafted Dallas Clark... #1 in TDs for TEs
clarks' 2 TDs last week vs. gates' 0 TDs sunk my championship bid :bangshead: (lost by 6...i know, i know, :unsure: )
 
Bad_Mo said:
Philip Rivers happened to him
Beat me to it!
You should feel lucky he did. Rivers is still completing over 60% of his passes, already has over 3,000 yards, and is only 3 TDs short of last year's total. So how exactly did Rivers "happen to him" compared to last year? Wouldn't injuries and the addition of another legitimate target seem like a more reasonable response?
 
Bad_Mo said:
Philip Rivers happened to him
Beat me to it!
You should feel lucky he did. Rivers is still completing over 60% of his passes, already has over 3,000 yards, and is only 3 TDs short of last year's total. So how exactly did Rivers "happen to him" compared to last year? Wouldn't injuries and the addition of another legitimate target seem like a more reasonable response?
I was going to point out earlier that Rivers has a QB rating of 81.4 and Derek Anderson has a QB rating of 82.7, yet people think Derek Anderson should be franchised and Rivers is barely a top 20 QB. It's not worth the argument. If SD loses it'll all be blamed on Rivers/Turner/AJ... and if SD wins none of the three will get any credit. It's just the way people are. That's not just the people on this board either if you listen to the talking heads on ESPN/NFL network you hear a lot of the same talk.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?

 
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Bad_Mo said:
Philip Rivers happened to him
Beat me to it!
You should feel lucky he did. Rivers is still completing over 60% of his passes, already has over 3,000 yards, and is only 3 TDs short of last year's total. So how exactly did Rivers "happen to him" compared to last year? Wouldn't injuries and the addition of another legitimate target seem like a more reasonable response?
Young QBs are supposed to progress... not regress. I now he had a difficult sch... but there were games when he just looked confused and not ready.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Comparing season totals is apples to oranges... Anderson has attempted 507 passes to Rivers' 437. San Diego doesn't need to pass as often as Cleveland to win.As for the bolded statement, I read that as you saying Rivers has the best "weapons" in the NFL. Is that what you are saying? Do you really feel that the Chargers' WRs and TEs measure up to those of the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Packers, Cardinals, Rams, Bengals, or Browns?

 
Rivers isn't playing all that well, and Chambers has turned out to be a great addition. I think Rivers is really the key here though.
Seems bizarre that Rivers is playing well enough to get good numbers out of one of the NFL's most notorious pass-droppers but not out of arguably the premier TE of recent vintage?
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Comparing season totals is apples to oranges... Anderson has attempted 507 passes to Rivers' 437. San Diego doesn't need to pass as often as Cleveland to win.As for the bolded statement, I read that as you saying Rivers has the best "weapons" in the NFL. Is that what you are saying? Do you really feel that the Chargers' WRs and TEs measure up to those of the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Packers, Cardinals, Rams, Bengals, or Browns?
Chargers lack WR... but they do own a very good O-Line; greatest RB in the past 10 yrs, & some TE you might of heard of. Anderson may have tossed 70 more passes; but he threw 9 more TDs (Anderson threw a TD about every 18 attempts / Rivers every 23). But even when you seen some of the games... Rivers just didn't look good.

 
Rivers isn't playing all that well, and Chambers has turned out to be a great addition. I think Rivers is really the key here though.
Seems bizarre that Rivers is playing well enough to get good numbers out of one of the NFL's most notorious pass-droppers but not out of arguably the premier TE of recent vintage?
Might be a robbing-Peter-to-pay-Paul scenario. A portion of Chambers' stats coming at an ailing Gates' expense?
 
Rivers isn't playing all that well, and Chambers has turned out to be a great addition. I think Rivers is really the key here though.
Seems bizarre that Rivers is playing well enough to get good numbers out of one of the NFL's most notorious pass-droppers but not out of arguably the premier TE of recent vintage?
Chambers isn't dropping balls. I don't know what he is doing differently, but he has been :unsure: for the Chargers this year. He has size, speed, runs great routes, runs over the middle, great hands. He is not as good as Gates, but with all the focus on Gates in the passing game he is making the most of the situation. Hell, even Jackson is starting to be more reliable and that guys had hands of stone last year.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTSAnderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTSyeah... its really close between the 2. Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6y/a = 6.9/7.2TD/a = .043/.055INT/a = .034/.036 Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Comparing season totals is apples to oranges... Anderson has attempted 507 passes to Rivers' 437. San Diego doesn't need to pass as often as Cleveland to win.As for the bolded statement, I read that as you saying Rivers has the best "weapons" in the NFL. Is that what you are saying? Do you really feel that the Chargers' WRs and TEs measure up to those of the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Packers, Cardinals, Rams, Bengals, or Browns?
Chargers lack WR... but they do own a very good O-Line; greatest RB in the past 10 yrs, & some TE you might of heard of. Anderson may have tossed 70 more passes; but he threw 9 more TDs (Anderson threw a TD about every 18 attempts / Rivers every 23). But even when you seen some of the games... Rivers just didn't look good.
I didn't ask about RBs... I thought you were talking about Rivers as a passer. Of course, Gates is great. But all the teams I named have better collective receivers across positions. And for you to say the Chargers have a very good O-Line makes me think you don't follow the Chargers much. Their OL has been disappointing this season, and has been one reason Rivers has not played better.I agree Rivers hasn't looked good this season, though.

 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTSAnderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTSyeah... its really close between the 2. Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6y/a = 6.9/7.2TD/a = .043/.055INT/a = .034/.036 Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
good points on the Oline, been very very below average this year, IMO and LT is going to win the rushing title despite that fact. He is a great "system" RB
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTSAnderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTSyeah... its really close between the 2. Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6y/a = 6.9/7.2TD/a = .043/.055INT/a = .034/.036 Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
Rivers is an emotional basketcase. He simpy can't calm down, which is probably great for a DE, but it's a negative for an immobile QB. He was like this last year, but it got better down the stretch and everyone thought he would progress this year, but he hasn't, he has digressed. Of course, I'm not ready to sell him out, but someone needs to put a clamp on him or divy out the meds because he isn't going anywhere like this.
 
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Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTSAnderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTSyeah... its really close between the 2. Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6y/a = 6.9/7.2TD/a = .043/.055INT/a = .034/.036 Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
Rivers is an emotional basketcase. He simpy can't calm down, which is probably great for a DE, but it's a negative for an immobile QB. He was like this last year, but it got better down the stretch and everyone thought he would progress this year, but he hasn't, he has digressed. Of course, I'm not ready to sell him out, but someone needs to put a clamp on him or divy out the meds because he isn't going anywhere like this.
He's played very, very well in three of the past five weeks and as far as I'm concerned he can yell on the sidelines or sit next to anyone on the bench he wants to just so long as he keeps performing the way he has vs BAL/DEN/DET.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6

y/a = 6.9/7.2

TD/a = .043/.055

INT/a = .034/.036

Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???

You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
I haven't seen many SD games... so I'm outclassed here; there has only been about 3 or 4 on TV.. and besides the last MNF, Rivers just looked bad in the parts I saw. But the part I bolded is interesting... I would of thought that Rivers had a higher % than Anderson. That last Cinny game killed Derek's avg. But as a leader... Derek Anderson just seems to me much much more than Rivers... it just seems Rivers can't put the game on his shoulders and win it... where as Anderson has that ability.

 
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Bad_Mo said:
Philip Rivers happened to him
Beat me to it!
You should feel lucky he did. Rivers is still completing over 60% of his passes, already has over 3,000 yards, and is only 3 TDs short of last year's total. So how exactly did Rivers "happen to him" compared to last year? Wouldn't injuries and the addition of another legitimate target seem like a more reasonable response?
Young QBs are supposed to progress... not regress.
So I'm assuming by that statement that you are weighing how the two QB's played the last half of the season more than the first half? If you are comparing Rivers vs Anderson down the stretch it really hasn't been all that close.
 
Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTSAnderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTSyeah... its really close between the 2. Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6y/a = 6.9/7.2TD/a = .043/.055INT/a = .034/.036 Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
Rivers is an emotional basketcase. He simpy can't calm down, which is probably great for a DE, but it's a negative for an immobile QB. He was like this last year, but it got better down the stretch and everyone thought he would progress this year, but he hasn't, he has digressed. Of course, I'm not ready to sell him out, but someone needs to put a clamp on him or divy out the meds because he isn't going anywhere like this.
He's played very, very well in three of the past five weeks and as far as I'm concerned he can yell on the sidelines or sit next to anyone on the bench he wants to just so long as he keeps performing the way he has vs BAL/DEN/DET.
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it. There is no three-step back, progression, pass. His dropback always changes and he gets happy feet in a perfectly good pocket. It's like someone pumps him full of amphetamines before every game.
 
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Rivers: 3000 yds, 19 TDs w/ 15 INTS

Anderson: 3600 yds, 28 TDs w/ 18 INTS

yeah... its really close between the 2.

Rivers only had 2 games that were over 300 yds and 6 total games when he went over 200 yds. He only threw multi TDs in 6 games this yr. These #s are horrible for the situation hes in... no other QB in the league has the weapons that Rivers has.

There are times when QB ratings mean very little... Chad Pennington usually finishes with a high QB Rating and would you consider him a a good QB?
Rivers/Andersoncomp% = 60.4/56.6

y/a = 6.9/7.2

TD/a = .043/.055

INT/a = .034/.036

Everyone keeps saying "QB rating doesn't mean anything" but I think it cuts through the BS pretty well. One of these guys is a dud and the other should be a franchise QB???

You can try and convince yourself there's some huge difference between the two if you'd like but the simple facts are right in front of you. Are Gates/Chambers/Jackson really that much better than Winslow/Edwards/Jurevicious? BTW, I can't understand why so many people are convinced the Chargers OL is great. They obviously haven't seen many Charger games this year. I would trade any Charger OLman for Joe Thomas.
I haven't seen many SD games... so I'm outclassed here; there has only been about 3 or 4 on TV.. and besides the last MNF, Rivers just looked bad in the parts I saw. But the part I bolded is interesting... I would of thought that Rivers had a higher % than Anderson. That last Cinny game killed Derek's avg. But as a leader... Derek Anderson just seems to me much much more than Rivers... it just seems Rivers can't put the game on his shoulders and win it... where as Anderson has that ability.
You must have missed the comeback wins against Denver and Cincinnati last year. Not to mention the last minute drives against the Titans and the Seahawks.
 
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it.
I completely agree with that, and it's the reason I think Roeth is by far the best QB out of that draft. There's a very, very small list of QB's that handle pressure well. Even as well as Tom Brady is playing(and he's playing the best I've seen any QB play) the few games they haven't dominated are when the defense gets some kind of pressure on Brady.
 
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it. There is no three-step back, progression, pass. His dropback always changes and he gets happy feet in a perfectly good pocket. It's like someone pumps him full of amphetamines before every game.
Not only that, but he doesn't make the throws consistently as a result of not always throwing off his front foot. He's obviously still a bit shell shocked due to the beating he took earlier in the year and doesn't seem to trust that he'll have time/space to throw correctly. He's making easy passes look hard as a result and leaving a lot of yards on the board. He looks very good when he has good footwork, he just doesn't have good footwork often enough. I hope they're pointing this out to him when they watch tape, because it's pretty obvious.
 
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it. There is no three-step back, progression, pass. His dropback always changes and he gets happy feet in a perfectly good pocket. It's like someone pumps him full of amphetamines before every game.
Not only that, but he doesn't make the throws consistently as a result of not always throwing off his front foot. He's obviously still a bit shell shocked due to the beating he took earlier in the year and doesn't seem to trust that he'll have time/space to throw correctly. He's making easy passes look hard as a result and leaving a lot of yards on the board. He looks very good when he has good footwork, he just doesn't have good footwork often enough. I hope they're pointing this out to him when they watch tape, because it's pretty obvious.
I don't get enough Chargers games to have an informed take on Rivers' footwork. However, if that is a big problem for him, that's actually a good thing, because it is correctable. It kind of makes you wonder why the coaching staff hasn't worked with him on it this season. Do the Chargers have a QB coach?Also, for those who have seen a lot of his games last year and this year, was this not a problem last year?
 
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it. There is no three-step back, progression, pass. His dropback always changes and he gets happy feet in a perfectly good pocket. It's like someone pumps him full of amphetamines before every game.
Not only that, but he doesn't make the throws consistently as a result of not always throwing off his front foot. He's obviously still a bit shell shocked due to the beating he took earlier in the year and doesn't seem to trust that he'll have time/space to throw correctly. He's making easy passes look hard as a result and leaving a lot of yards on the board. He looks very good when he has good footwork, he just doesn't have good footwork often enough. I hope they're pointing this out to him when they watch tape, because it's pretty obvious.
I don't get enough Chargers games to have an informed take on Rivers' footwork. However, if that is a big problem for him, that's actually a good thing, because it is correctable. It kind of makes you wonder why the coaching staff hasn't worked with him on it this season. Do the Chargers have a QB coach?Also, for those who have seen a lot of his games last year and this year, was this not a problem last year?
I'd think the coaching staff is working on it, I just think he's rattled and his head isn't in the right place much of the time this year, as jonessed mentioned. His predilection to let external things get into his head is effecting is game, you can see it, and I've been talking about it all year. It's really mental with him, although lately he's had the knee problem too. He did have the same problem last year, but not as often. The line was much better in pass protection last year, giving him fewer occasions to get spooked.You can trace nearly every bad throw this year (and there have been tons) to bad footwork, some happy feet and impatience, but mainly a failure to step into his throws. It all boils down to composure and concentration - two things he's really lacked this year. I hope Norv pulls a Phil Jackson and puts together a video of all the meltdowns and mental lapses Rivers has had this year, sits him down and makes him watch it and if somehow Rivers still doesn't get it, emphasizes that it's not o.k. to operate that way as a starting NFL QB.
 
He panics in the pocket, which makes him unpredictable and incapable of establishing a rhythm. If you watch him you can see it. There is no three-step back, progression, pass. His dropback always changes and he gets happy feet in a perfectly good pocket. It's like someone pumps him full of amphetamines before every game.
Not only that, but he doesn't make the throws consistently as a result of not always throwing off his front foot. He's obviously still a bit shell shocked due to the beating he took earlier in the year and doesn't seem to trust that he'll have time/space to throw correctly. He's making easy passes look hard as a result and leaving a lot of yards on the board. He looks very good when he has good footwork, he just doesn't have good footwork often enough. I hope they're pointing this out to him when they watch tape, because it's pretty obvious.
I don't get enough Chargers games to have an informed take on Rivers' footwork. However, if that is a big problem for him, that's actually a good thing, because it is correctable. It kind of makes you wonder why the coaching staff hasn't worked with him on it this season. Do the Chargers have a QB coach?Also, for those who have seen a lot of his games last year and this year, was this not a problem last year?
I'd think the coaching staff is working on it, I just think he's rattled and his head isn't in the right place much of the time this year, as jonessed mentioned. His predilection to let external things get into his head is effecting is game, you can see it, and I've been talking about it all year. It's really mental with him, although lately he's had the knee problem too. He did have the same problem last year, but not as often. The line was much better in pass protection last year, giving him fewer occasions to get spooked.You can trace nearly every bad throw this year (and there have been tons) to bad footwork, some happy feet and impatience, but mainly a failure to step into his throws. It all boils down to composure and concentration - two things he's really lacked this year. I hope Norv pulls a Phil Jackson and puts together a video of all the meltdowns and mental lapses Rivers has had this year, sits him down and makes him watch it and if somehow Rivers still doesn't get it, emphasizes that it's not o.k. to operate that way as a starting NFL QB.
Again, does SD have a quarterbacks coach? This type of thing sounds exactly like what a QBs coach would work on one-on-one with a QB, both during the offseason and in season.Also, looking at his game logs, I see that he has had 6 games with QB rating of 101.7 or higher... and 9 games with QB rating of 74.2 or lower... no games between 74.3 and 101.6. Truly a Jekyll-Hyde season to date. Last season, he only had 2 of 16 games below 75.0, with 10 games of 90 or better. Hard to attribute such a dropoff merely to bad footwork, happyh feet, and impatience... but I hope you are right, since those things will improve with age/maturity, more experience, more film work, and better coaching.
 

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