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Antonio Pittman = End for Deuce? (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
A 4th round runningback isn't drafted to phase anyone out, just contribute in some way.
ATC1
Footballguy
I think he was a talent the Saints had on their draft board in the 2nd round and figured they would use the extra pick they got to move down to pick him up.
He is nice insurance if one of them get hurt, and he is a nice RB to groom in a few years if the Saints decide they can not afford both Duece and Bush.
He is nice insurance if one of them get hurt, and he is a nice RB to groom in a few years if the Saints decide they can not afford both Duece and Bush.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
How bout MB3?? He's got some skills!Although that RB class was much deeper than this one.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
7/29/2005: Signed an eight-year, $50.1 million contract extension through 2012. The deal includes $12.5 million in bonuses. 2007: $2.6 million (+ $1 million roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus), 2008: $3.6 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2009: $5.2 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $6.2 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus, 2011: $7.1 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2012: $8.1 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2013: Free Agent
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Deuce was highly effective last year, why on Earth would the Saints want to replace him with a 2nd day rookie?
At some point, having both Duece and Bush will become too expensive without Duece restructuring. Some people have argued that for as far as running the ball, the lightbulb turned on for Reggie in the 2nd half of last season. If that's truly the case, then Duece will be moving on to his next team come next March 1st. I imagine the Saints are just trying to plan in case that does indeed happen.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
his contract doesn't get heavy until 2009. And with the new salary cap, it probably won't even be that bad then if he's still playing well.
saintfool
Dead sexy
This is very true. I suspect that Pittman will overtake Stecker as the 3d stringer because his obvious talents surpass those of Stecker. the Saints running game (and offense overall) would be compromised if either Deuce or Reggie went down for any length of time. They are predicated on the "1-2 punch" at this point. Deuce's job is only at risk once Reggie begins to dominate on the field. He's very good but not quite there yet....
Jason Wood
Zoo York
His contract isn't at all problematic until 2009, at which point he'll be 30 years old and the team will have to make a tough decision. But as long as he's healthy, it seems highly unlikely he won't be a Saint for the next two years
ATC1
Footballguy
I wonder if they will have Stecker learn Bush's spot soley in Payton's offense to step in incase Bush goes down. And then have Pittman soley back up Duece.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
As much as I LOVE Reggie I don't think he will ever be your conventional 25 carry back. I think he might touch the ball 20 x's a game but 6 or 7 dump passes and 13 carries or so. Deuce is a great compliment to Reggie and as much as I hate to say it I don't see him going anywhere for awhile. They are a strange combo in the way both of them kind of improve each others value. Reggie stays fresh and healthy by Deuce taking the pounding and Deuce gets rewarded at the endzone. Deuce will be 29 during this years' season. I could see him staying put in the same role for the next 2 years and then fall back to a Bettis type role and spell Reggie and by that time maybe Pittman will be ready to contribute alittle but for now it is the Deuce and Reggie show.
Why fix it if it ain't broken.
Why fix it if it ain't broken.
You posted the numbers as I was typing (I'm a slow typist.) Seeing them now, I agree that he doesn't start to get relatively expensive until 2009.What's the Saints cap status and do we have Reggie's contract numbers? Certainly tempers my enthusiasm for drafting Bush in non-ppr leagues if it appears Duece isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i haven't paid attention to Pittman at the collegate level, honestly. given their physical differences - 5'11 195lbs for pittman vs 6'1 232lbs for deuce - i would be shocked if this were the case. stecker's skillset is on special teams and as a receiving threat. pittman, in the bios that i read, do not point to his ability to catch. From the Saints website...
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Pittman is going to be mediocre at best, and the Saints will shell out the cash for Deuce...Pittman is a bargaining tool for the Saints when they go to re-sign, or restructure Deuce's contract.Remember that Deuce was awesome last year coming off an ACL injury, even Edge was slowed down the first year coming back, but Deuce looked like a tank in the second half of the season.Deuce is a stud.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
there is the belief among some folks that Reggie got "it" during the second half of the season. he improved on the ground and remained a capable threat with receptions. the talk on the offseason is how Reggie is building on that. the coaches want him to run between the tackles more. conversely, they want deuce to run to the outside. i think reggie is only going to get better. so long as you get value for his combine yardage then i think you have every reason to be optimistic.
Vicktimized
Footballguy
They took him because he was by far the BPA on their board, and probably mostly as insurance for McAllister, who has an injury history. Bush is used as a RB/WR in this offense, so if Deuce were to go down for a period of time, the playcalling would have had to be altered with Bush becoming more of a strict RB.
I don't think the pick affects Deuce's situation. When the contract is supposed to become an issue, it was going to be regardless of this pick. I seriously doubt that they moved up for Pittman because he was a RB....rather, they can use the insurance and would have made that trade up if almost anyone they had rated that highly were there, be it a LB, QB, OT, etc.
I don't think the pick affects Deuce's situation. When the contract is supposed to become an issue, it was going to be regardless of this pick. I seriously doubt that they moved up for Pittman because he was a RB....rather, they can use the insurance and would have made that trade up if almost anyone they had rated that highly were there, be it a LB, QB, OT, etc.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The way I see it the Saints will keep Deuce two more years then he is history, he will never see the last four years of that deal.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I think it signals the end for Reggie Bush
T Man
Footballguy
It's crazy to say that the Saints used a 4th round pick to draft a RB to phase out Deuce. With the use of a 4th rounder, the Saints are hoping to have picked a player that can be productive. Heck, did the Saints pick Colston to phase out Horn. NO.
They HOPE he can make the team and play special teams. THEN they hope he can possibly phase out Stecker (RB3). If he is lights out (ala Colston), then it gives the Saints additional flexibility at the RB spot.
If Pittman proves to be a significant talent, then they can consider whether they can test the market in trade for Deuce in one or two years -- which is light years away. However, when Deuce's price tag goes up, a trade is always a possibility because Benson is not flush with cash.
But, Deuce has meant a lot to the community and the region. He is well spoken. So, Pittman would have to prove that he is significantly talented to even get that far down the line. Even with Bush, I think the fans will be unhappy to trade Deuce. Saints fans aren't all too happy that people like Sam Mills and Morten Anderson and even Jake Delhomme (to a lesser degree) continued productive careers elsewhere.
They HOPE he can make the team and play special teams. THEN they hope he can possibly phase out Stecker (RB3). If he is lights out (ala Colston), then it gives the Saints additional flexibility at the RB spot.
If Pittman proves to be a significant talent, then they can consider whether they can test the market in trade for Deuce in one or two years -- which is light years away. However, when Deuce's price tag goes up, a trade is always a possibility because Benson is not flush with cash.
But, Deuce has meant a lot to the community and the region. He is well spoken. So, Pittman would have to prove that he is significantly talented to even get that far down the line. Even with Bush, I think the fans will be unhappy to trade Deuce. Saints fans aren't all too happy that people like Sam Mills and Morten Anderson and even Jake Delhomme (to a lesser degree) continued productive careers elsewhere.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
ThePittbully
Footballguy
That made me snort a littleI think they drafted pittman for one simple reason, value. The guy was projected by alot of people as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Why not take him if he's there in the 4th AND you have two fourth rounders. Especially when the Saints run game struggled this past season any time one of the dynamic duo was sidelined. I like the pick, its a definite upgrade over Stecker. I still would have liked to see Poz or Chris Houston over Meachem though.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
I think you'll love the pick of Meachem after the 1st couple of games. I have no doubt he will be starting by week 4 and I would be surprised if long term he was the #1 wr option @ wr for the Saints. He is a very nice wr.Not trying to tick off Colston owners here I just really like Meachem.Sorry to Hijack
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switz
Footballguy
Pittman was tremendous value where he was drafted. He's not as powerful a runner as Deuce, and he's not as shifty a runner as Bush. He's excellent depth though.
I would imagine after Deuce moves on, probably not until 2009 at the very earliest, Pittman will be used sparingly to spell Bush.
I would imagine after Deuce moves on, probably not until 2009 at the very earliest, Pittman will be used sparingly to spell Bush.
switz
Footballguy
Doens't tick off Colston owners. Meachem wil be an excellent complement to Colston. Both should put up great numbers. I see Colston as Boldin, and Meachem as Fitzgerald. Or Colston as Bruce, Meachem as Holt. Coslton as Harrison, Meachem as Wayne. Pick your comparison
Aside from the original poster, the implication by most of us is that Reggie is the one who is going to be phasing out Duece.
duaneok66
Footballguy
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Drafting Pittman is just a ploy to motivate Aaron Stecker.
chris1969
Footballguy
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Deuce and Bush stay. They're the best players. Pittman was the BPA on the draft board. If either Deuce or Bush are injured they have their backup RB. Seems simple to me.
If you listen to GM's talk about the BPA approach versus the "plugging holes" approach (
) the guys that prefer BPA mostly will tell you that if you continually reach to fill position needs then you just end up drafting guys to replace the guys you reached on when you had a positional need. I've read articles with more than one GM saying that.
I think the question we should be asking is, "Who's a better RB for the Saints, Pittman or Aaron Stecker." I'd go Pittman on that although Stecker provides excellent ST's value. But Stecker has never really done anything much at RB and he's played for several teams. He's just a guy. By drafting Pittman, the Saints get a guy who can be a backup RB if Bush or Deuce get injured in the next 4 years or however long Pittman's rookie contract runs.
I think the more interesting subject is the role Meachem will play in the Juggernaut Saint's offense in the coming years. At first, I was like, "Why do you draft Meachem in the first round when you have Henderson and Copper rostered?" However, some have said he could be a bigger part of the O than Colston potentially which opened my eyes. The things I've read about Meachem seem to indicate he has a bit of bust potential. Is his upside that high that he could overshadow Colston? I thought Henderson and Copper played reasonably well last year and using a 1st rounder on a guy with bust potential at a position with arguably lesser need was overkill. back to the "needs" approach. Then again, I wasn't that high on meachem going into the draft so I was a little skeptical to begin with. Not necessarily the BPA at a position with some solid players = ??????..... But then again, my knowledge of Meachem wasn't huge, just remembered seeing some Bust Potential attached to his name.
If you listen to GM's talk about the BPA approach versus the "plugging holes" approach (
) the guys that prefer BPA mostly will tell you that if you continually reach to fill position needs then you just end up drafting guys to replace the guys you reached on when you had a positional need. I've read articles with more than one GM saying that.I think the question we should be asking is, "Who's a better RB for the Saints, Pittman or Aaron Stecker." I'd go Pittman on that although Stecker provides excellent ST's value. But Stecker has never really done anything much at RB and he's played for several teams. He's just a guy. By drafting Pittman, the Saints get a guy who can be a backup RB if Bush or Deuce get injured in the next 4 years or however long Pittman's rookie contract runs.
I think the more interesting subject is the role Meachem will play in the Juggernaut Saint's offense in the coming years. At first, I was like, "Why do you draft Meachem in the first round when you have Henderson and Copper rostered?" However, some have said he could be a bigger part of the O than Colston potentially which opened my eyes. The things I've read about Meachem seem to indicate he has a bit of bust potential. Is his upside that high that he could overshadow Colston? I thought Henderson and Copper played reasonably well last year and using a 1st rounder on a guy with bust potential at a position with arguably lesser need was overkill. back to the "needs" approach. Then again, I wasn't that high on meachem going into the draft so I was a little skeptical to begin with. Not necessarily the BPA at a position with some solid players = ??????..... But then again, my knowledge of Meachem wasn't huge, just remembered seeing some Bust Potential attached to his name.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
switz said:Doens't tick off Colston owners. Meachem wil be an excellent complement to Colston. Both should put up great numbers. I see Colston as Boldin, and Meachem as Fitzgerald. Or Colston as Bruce, Meachem as Holt. Coslton as Harrison, Meachem as Wayne. Pick your comparisonBlackjacks said:
Like usual Switz I agree with you here
