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Any chance H.Nicks gets traded? (1 Viewer)
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
It would seem like a good move for the Giants if they don't plan on giving him a contract, right? Makes sense to me.
lod01
Footballguy
I wonder if this guy is part of the problem. Seems the WR's aren't finishing their routes all the time. The one INT this past week, Nicks wasn't where the ball was throw but the DB was. This offense is based on throwing to a spot. Looks like the spot was the 50 yard marker and Nicks stopped short.
I'll bet this guy is playing half ###, probably afraid to get hurt and lose his payday. It will get more apparent as the losses mount.
I'll bet this guy is playing half ###, probably afraid to get hurt and lose his payday. It will get more apparent as the losses mount.
"According to CBS Sports, several teams are preparing trade offers for Giants WR Hakeem Nicks." -Rotoworld
Nicks is in a contract year. Ruben Randle would be a WR2 if Nicks gets traded. Randle has the talent and will be in his third year in 2014 when he replaces Nicks.
Nicks is in a contract year. Ruben Randle would be a WR2 if Nicks gets traded. Randle has the talent and will be in his third year in 2014 when he replaces Nicks.
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This dude is reporting that the Colts are going to acquire Nicks barring injury:
Keith Fetz @keithfetz Hakeem Nicks to Colts a done-deal. To be official after Monday night game barring injury @Giants @Colts @nflcoltsnews @nflnetwork @ESPNNFL
Looked up the guy's credentials. City councilmen for a town in Southern Indiana. What are the changes of this not being complete bull? 5% to 10%?
I feel like if this deal were "done", Nicks wouldn't be playing tonight.
Keith Fetz @keithfetz Hakeem Nicks to Colts a done-deal. To be official after Monday night game barring injury @Giants @Colts @nflcoltsnews @nflnetwork @ESPNNFLLooked up the guy's credentials. City councilmen for a town in Southern Indiana. What are the changes of this not being complete bull? 5% to 10%?
I feel like if this deal were "done", Nicks wouldn't be playing tonight.
tdhartis
Footballguy
I would be very skeptical of a city councilman breaking this news ahead of all of the NFL insiders that do such a thing for a living. I haven't been able to find an inkling of this elsewhere.This dude is reporting that the Colts are going to acquire Nicks barring injury:
Looked up the guy's credentials. City councilmen for a town in Southern Indiana. What are the changes of this not being complete bull? 5% to 10%?
I feel like if this deal were "done", Nicks wouldn't be playing tonight.
That being said, I would be very happy as an owner if that were to happen. Probably the best place he could have ended up.
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tdhartis
Footballguy
They're in win-now mode as you can see by them shipping off a first for Richardson and beating the SB favorite last night. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
No
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Richardson for Nicks
Why not?
Why not?
Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
They're also in build the franchise mode as you can see by the factvthatvthey let Manning go and drafted Luck in the first place.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I don't see how they wouldn't get a 3rd round pick.Don't compensatory picks work as such:
Giants lose Nicks to a big-ish contract
Giants don't sign a big name FA WR- maybe they draft someone... I don't see them not paying for Nicks but then going out to get someone who would cost them more?
The difference in salary btw those players determines their compensation.... So they just have to hope someone over pays for Nicks
So I can't imagine they don't get a 3rd round compensation
I really don't think they get anything higher than that from any other team. I could see Gordon getting a 2nd round pick, but not Nicks. That's why I say no; I think they'll get a third round compensation and I don't think they will get a 3rd or higher for Nicks
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Avery
Footballguy
I understand its not a 1-1 direct formula and the value of a "bird in the hand". I'm guessing (Hense the use of the word "probably") how loosing Nicks would factor into the comprnsatory formula and guessing again (hense the use of the word "guessing") what the Giants would want to trade him.
tdhartis
Footballguy
This dude is reporting that the Colts are going to acquire Nicks barring injury:
Looked up the guy's credentials. City councilmen for a town in Southern Indiana. What are the changes of this not being complete bull? 5% to 10%?
I feel like if this deal were "done", Nicks wouldn't be playing tonight.
Waiting on this Keith guy to be right.
Yea, no kidding. If it was a done deal Nicks wouldn't even be playing.This dude is reporting that the Colts are going to acquire Nicks barring injury:
Looked up the guy's credentials. City councilmen for a town in Southern Indiana. What are the changes of this not being complete bull? 5% to 10%?
I feel like if this deal were "done", Nicks wouldn't be playing tonight.
Irsay has the gumption and they did lose Wayne... it's possible but it kind of screws their cap, doesn't it? Picks for players has been shown historically to be really bad for franchises. They'd only get half a season out of Nicks before having to pay him a big contract, or let him walk.
Why trade 3rd + rounders that can be used to lock up a young solid player for 4-5 years? Irsay needs to get out of the way of the GM and let him do his job.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Nicks has been half assed all season. Looks like he dont care. Pretty odd for a player playing for a payday. Several of those passes all he has to do is jump and catches em easily.
Nicks has been garbage all year. Only thinking about money. (ETA the guy above says the same thing)
Warpig
Footballguy
Not sure why any team would give up a draft pick for Nicks (or Britt for that matter). Nicks has been garbage all year. Looked like he could care less last night with a #### eating grin on his face after dropping those balls. Add to it that he has questionable feet/knees. I'd pass.
ETA - actually, now that I think about it a little more, he's had two solid weeks. Still no TDs though. But he is playing with a crappy, inaccurate QB too so that has to contribute. I'm not making excuses for his horrible game last night. But Eli is an erratic QB.
ETA - actually, now that I think about it a little more, he's had two solid weeks. Still no TDs though. But he is playing with a crappy, inaccurate QB too so that has to contribute. I'm not making excuses for his horrible game last night. But Eli is an erratic QB.
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socrates
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FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
This. They basically took him out of the gameplan after he returned from injury, and now the Giants suck. I'd want out, too. That's clearly what he's lobbying for, because he's a much better player than he's shown.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Full disclosure, he has made some bad drops this year, but he has also played like the same old Nicks on several occasions. I thought when he needled Eli in the post game about not being able to throw the ball to himself they might just force the ball to him and see what happens - nope.
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treat88
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Nicks is in a contract year and playing for the 1-6 Giants who are essentially phasing him out for Randle.
I get the rah, rah Nicks signed a contract he should give it his all ideology, but in reality what does he have to bust his tail for? His only real responsibility is to himself to make sure he makes it through this season healthy and gets paid next season.
Both Mike Wallace and VJax have shown that massive deals await quality FA's even if they dog it in their final pre FA season to stay healthy for that payday.
I get the rah, rah Nicks signed a contract he should give it his all ideology, but in reality what does he have to bust his tail for? His only real responsibility is to himself to make sure he makes it through this season healthy and gets paid next season.
Both Mike Wallace and VJax have shown that massive deals await quality FA's even if they dog it in their final pre FA season to stay healthy for that payday.
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Carter_Can_Fly
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He took himself out of the game plan. He has been dreadful for most of the year.
You realize he lead the team in targets yesterday with 10 targets and was only able to catch 2 of them. He caught 2 of 10 passes thrown his way. On the other hand you have a younger guy in Randle who is quickly emerging as a play maker. 3 targets yesterday and 3 catches for 40 yards plus a TD. Randle is 22 and still makes mistakes but he looks like the better WR now and for the future.
Nicks will be 26 in Jan. Randle won't be 23 till May. Nicks will not be on the Giants roster next year.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
To get paid? I've never really understood all the Nicks love. He had 1 great year 4 seasons ago and has been pretty average since imo.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
And the writing was on the wall before the season started. I think a lot of folks would simply go through the motions, and I'm pretty sure that's what he's doing. The Giants moved on 3 months ago, and they wanted to feature him last night to improve his trade value. You don't think he knows he's getting played? That says something about his character, certainly, but he's still an elite WR if/when he finds a new home. I guarantee you.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
well, he didn't show much to merit a good deal
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
He's trying to screw the Giants, who want to dump him at the highest price possible. His price went down as a result, so more teams may be willing to deal-- and Nicks obviously wants out, so it maybe worked out for him. Again, it shows bad character, but the skillz are still there and someone's going to get a stud WR in his prime for a bargain.
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Run It Up
Footballguy
Average huh...
Rece Year Age G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb2009 21 14 6 47 790 16.8 6 68 3.4 56.4 798 6 22010 22 13 12 79 1052 13.3 11 46 6.1 80.9 1052 11 12011 23 15 15 76 1192 15.7 7 68 5.1 79.5 1192 7 02012 24 13 11 53 692 13.1 3 50 4.1 53.2 692 3 02013 25 7 7 27 470 17.4 0 57 3.9 67.1 470 0 0Career 62 51 282 4196 14.9 27 68 4.5 67.7 4204 27 3For a guy that has never played a full season, he puts most other WRs in the NFL to shame.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
10 TDs last 33 games. l like I said, I see 1 big season and handful of average ones. Where does he rank in yards or TDs per game over the last 2.5 seasons? Not to mention it seems he's always hurt.
2011, 2012, 2013...I don't see anything special there.
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treat88
Footballguy
I agree.
Based only off what Nicks has put on tape to date he's going to sign a very good deal this offseason.
Even if he only gets 15 to 20 mill guaranteed, that is what he's playing for at this point.
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Tau837
Footballguy
There is no guarantee they get a 3rd rounder. Plus, compensatory picks are at the end of the round, so you might as well call it an early 4th rounder. Plus, it would be a 2015 draft pick, not 2014
I seriously doubt they would get a 2nd rounder for him.
Run It Up
Footballguy
In case it wasn't apparent, his targets went down from 2011 to 2012 (he played two less games but was targetted 25% less often) and he missed a lot of time in 2012 with lingering injury. He dislocated a finger this week, but other than that has been healthy this season, he does appear to be dragging his feet since his 0 target game. I just don't think he wants to play for the Giants anymore, I'm sure there is a lot of spite between him and the organization.
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treat88
Footballguy
I agree.
I'm not a Giants homer but it seems to me that relationship started to become toxic right about the time they hooked Cruz up with a contract before Nicks.
Randomly113
Footballguy
"You really like the salsa guy over me!?!"
Nicks looks miserable and his effort even worse.
I wonder if the Giants would accept a 3rd for him. Thats probably what they are being offered from ATL and IND.
Nicks looks miserable and his effort even worse.
I wonder if the Giants would accept a 3rd for him. Thats probably what they are being offered from ATL and IND.
Tau837
Footballguy
Don't forget his 2011 postseason performance: 28/444/4 receiving (15.9 ypr) in 4 games. He was awesome in that postseason.
Total for 2011-2013 (through week 7): 39 games, 184 receptions, 2798 receiving yards (15.2 ypr), 14 receiving TDs. That scales to a 16 game projection of 75/1148/6 receiving. It's fair to say that's not special, especially since he has never played 16 regular season games. But it's also true that he spent a good portion of 2011-2013 playing at less than 100% and being underutilized, at least to some degree.
His 2011 season (including and especially his postseason) and his age is why he will be getting a big contract.
Avery
Footballguy
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
The Giants are playing this one perfectly.
Cruz was/is the better WR of him and Nicks. Cruz has also been more reliable game in and game out and deserved a contract before Nicks.
In a supply demand market where you are dealing with a salary cap you have to be smart about what you have and the direction you are heading. Nicks has not done himself any favour as he has had an inconsistent start to this year. This is after missing the second half of last year due to injury.
The Giants wait and see approach is smart. If Nicks was playing amazing and at a pro bowl level they would have had to face a dillema of whether or not to resign Nicks to a hefty contract. Nicks is making it easy on the Giants right now with what they will do.
The Giants have been awful this year but it is extremely laughable to think that the coaching staff entered the year trying to phase Nicks out of the offence.
The Giants have been trying to win each game. In fact, over the last 4 weeks Nicks has a accumlated 39 targets. That is 9.75 targets per game. If you work that out over a 16 game season that would be 156 targets. Do those sound like numbers of a guy you are phasing out of your offence? There are way too many excuses going on for Nicks in here. Don't get me wrong Nicks is a good WR and has had many great games with the Giants. However, with Randle emerging as an equally good player the Giants will not be paying Nicks.
Nicks will get a better offer some where else and this will be a win/win for both sides. The Giants are not left filling a hole at WR (due to Randle) and they will have more money to fill other needs.
Cruz was/is the better WR of him and Nicks. Cruz has also been more reliable game in and game out and deserved a contract before Nicks.
In a supply demand market where you are dealing with a salary cap you have to be smart about what you have and the direction you are heading. Nicks has not done himself any favour as he has had an inconsistent start to this year. This is after missing the second half of last year due to injury.
The Giants wait and see approach is smart. If Nicks was playing amazing and at a pro bowl level they would have had to face a dillema of whether or not to resign Nicks to a hefty contract. Nicks is making it easy on the Giants right now with what they will do.
The Giants have been awful this year but it is extremely laughable to think that the coaching staff entered the year trying to phase Nicks out of the offence.
The Giants have been trying to win each game. In fact, over the last 4 weeks Nicks has a accumlated 39 targets. That is 9.75 targets per game. If you work that out over a 16 game season that would be 156 targets. Do those sound like numbers of a guy you are phasing out of your offence? There are way too many excuses going on for Nicks in here. Don't get me wrong Nicks is a good WR and has had many great games with the Giants. However, with Randle emerging as an equally good player the Giants will not be paying Nicks.
Nicks will get a better offer some where else and this will be a win/win for both sides. The Giants are not left filling a hole at WR (due to Randle) and they will have more money to fill other needs.
Quez
Footballguy
I think they only get somethng if they don't spend any money on free agents. So if they don't trade him Giants fans can look forward to a whole lot of nothing when FA starts, which wouldn't be surprising. Mannings contract killed this team. Just more proof that with the new rookie pay scale it makes more sense to roll the dice on a QB in the draft.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Nicks played incredibly well in 2012, with from what I remember a lot of talk about getting a contract and during the off season before Cruz got his deal they were talking about signing both Nicks and Cruz, and then didn't.
I don't think the Giants are phasing him out of their offense, I think they horribly ####### up the situation that should have been cut and dry and now Nicks is dragging his feet out of spite. The Giants have been nothing but a pain in his ###, kid could be an elite talent in the right system (and was in NY), and hes certainly better than Cruz in literally every respect (well, besides injury).
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tdhartis
Footballguy
I'm a Nicks supporter as well, and own him on 1 of only 2 leagues, but I think saying he's certainly better than Cruz in every aspect is going too far. This season Cruz has shown far more ability to gain separation from his defender(s), and his hands have been significantly better than Nicks's. Nicks is one of my favorite players and it sucks to say it, but I think he has lost a step (or more) since his days of being an elite producer. Whether it's lack of conditioning, past injuries, or something else, he simply gets little to no separation. He also seems hesitant and almost unwilling to cut off a route and make a jumping play for the ball. He also has dropped a large number of passes this year. The targets have been there too. Finally, I'm not entirely convinced he has been dogging it this year due to the situation. I'm a believer that money is far and away the predominant motivator of most players, and he knows his performance will transfer directly to the dollar signs on the contract he inks this summer. I have a hard time buying he somehow can't look past the less-than-ideal situation and relationship with the franchise to perform at the level he is capable. I think he is getting every excuse under the sun from his lack of performance, and he simply isn't showing up on the field when he has had every opportunity. Cruz has outperformed him most weeks in almost every facet of the game, and sadly once-elite players do regress; some at a later point in their careers, and some more quickly than others.
Young 8
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
He only played 12 games in 2012 (didn't start week 3, 4, 5, 17) and was healthy for a total of 6 games last year.
He was being under utilized in comparison to 2010 and 2011 as mentioned above, his targets dropped 25% and his utilization was below average or well below average in comparison to the previous seasons.
All things considered yes, he played incredibly well.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
According to ESPN, Nicks was targeted 8.9 times per game in '11 and 7.7 times per game in '12 (13.5% drop).
Another stat about Nicks, his catches per target have dropped every year:
2009 63% (47 of 75)
2010 62% (79 of 128)
2011 57% (76 of 133)
2012 53% (53 of 100)
2013 49% (27 of 55)
