Any interior desginers here? (1 Viewer)

[St. Louis Bob]

We're getting our kitchen and hearth room painted and can't decide on colors. Is there a website or something that can help?

Counter tops & island look like this. Cabinets are oak and the appliances are stainless.

Just can't decide. TIA

 

[Jayrok]

check in the Wet Dreams thread.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

check in the Wet Dreams thread.

 

[MarcO]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

Thanks for the bolded.

We have the paint wheel but that seems to be making things worse. Mrs. SLB likes a dark brown. I'm fine with the color but afraid it is too dark.

 

[NCCommish]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

 

[MarcO]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

 

[NCCommish]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

Just messin' with ya

 

[St. Louis Bob]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

I'm just looking for paint color selections, not a complete redesign. And yes, when it comes to stuff like this, I'm cheap.

ETA

I thought in this day and age there would be a site where you could upload a pic of your space and see what different colors would look like.

 

[johnnycakes]

I understand DD may have killed some Czechoslovakians. But his apartment looks like ####.

 

[MarcO]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

Just messin' with ya

I know - no worries… (my wife is very sensitive about being called an interior "decorator").

 

[MarcO]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

I'm just looking for paint color selections, not a complete redesign. And yes, when it comes to stuff like this, I'm cheap.

ETA

I thought in this day and age there would be a site where you could upload a pic of your space and see what different colors would look like.

Most paint companies offer something to this effect:

ColorSnap Studio - app from Sherman Williams

Benjamin Moore - http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-your-home/personal-color-viewer

Rodda - http://www.roddapaint.com/diy/virtual-painting-software.aspx

but as you might already discovered - what looks good on the computer screen is often far from what looks good on the wall.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

I'm just looking for paint color selections, not a complete redesign. And yes, when it comes to stuff like this, I'm cheap.

ETA

I thought in this day and age there would be a site where you could upload a pic of your space and see what different colors would look like.

Most paint companies offer something to this effect:

ColorSnap Studio - app from Sherman Williams

Benjamin Moore - http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-your-home/personal-color-viewer

Rodda - http://www.roddapaint.com/diy/virtual-painting-software.aspx

but as you might already discovered - what looks good on the computer screen is often far from what looks good on the wall.

Pefect, our painter uses Sherwin Williams. Thanks!

Still open for suggestions though.

 

[moleculo]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

I'm just looking for paint color selections, not a complete redesign. And yes, when it comes to stuff like this, I'm cheap.

ETA

I thought in this day and age there would be a site where you could upload a pic of your space and see what different colors would look like.

Most paint companies offer something to this effect:

ColorSnap Studio - app from Sherman Williams

Benjamin Moore - http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-your-home/personal-color-viewer

Rodda - http://www.roddapaint.com/diy/virtual-painting-software.aspx

but as you might already discovered - what looks good on the computer screen is often far from what looks good on the wall.

Pefect, our painter uses Sherwin Williams. Thanks!

Still open for suggestions though.

my suggestion: go with what the wife says.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Bob - Houzz is the best. Happy to help if needed. Took 2 years of design in school of architecture long time ago but enjoy that kind of stuff. Also took several classes in color/tone - my poor parents for paying for that #### ...will send a couple pics of what we have at the house to see if you like what we do. No charge. You get what you pay for.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

just an FYI:

Interior Decorator = line cook @ Macaroni Grill

Interior Designer = Top Chef

best thing to do is check through lots of pics online- couple of good sites:

http://www.zillow.com/digs/explore/

http://www.houzz.com

once you have a general color in mind bring a sample of your countertop and cabinets down to a good paint store and they will help you with the right tone. Worst case if you don't have a sample is to borrow their paint wheel.

I guess we found the interior decorator.

haha - hardly. but if you're looking to do it cheap (decorator) - which I guess he is if he is asking for advice on the internet - you may as well do it yourself. if you're willing to do it right then hire a designer.

I'm just looking for paint color selections, not a complete redesign. And yes, when it comes to stuff like this, I'm cheap.

ETA

I thought in this day and age there would be a site where you could upload a pic of your space and see what different colors would look like.

Most paint companies offer something to this effect:

ColorSnap Studio - app from Sherman Williams

Benjamin Moore - http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-your-home/personal-color-viewer

Rodda - http://www.roddapaint.com/diy/virtual-painting-software.aspx

but as you might already discovered - what looks good on the computer screen is often far from what looks good on the wall.

Pefect, our painter uses Sherwin Williams. Thanks!

Still open for suggestions though.

my suggestion: go with what the wife says.

I've made that mistakee. Twice. Had to have several rooms repainted.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Bob - Houzz is the best. Happy to help if needed. Took 2 years of design in school of architecture long time ago but enjoy that kind of stuff. Also took several classes in color/tone - my poor parents for paying for that #### ...will send a couple pics of what we have at the house to see if you like what we do. No charge. You get what you pay for.

Cool, thanks GB!!! I'll send a pic in a minute.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Houzz

Also take a look at DIYnetwork.com and hgtv.com for ideas

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Mrs. RFW has an MFA in interior design.

 

[mr roboto]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

One can think of an interior designer (not decorator) as a designer/architect of pre-existing spaces. Thus, intention should drive aesthetic choices.

Her questions are:

What is your goal?

What do you want the paint to do for the room?

What are you trying to create in that space?

As a painter, I can tell you that a lot of different colors would work in that space. However, those colors would create different atmospheres and impact other items differently.

If you want a neutral/transitional color that can allow art/flowers/seasonal things to pop

she recommends Benjamin Moore camouflage

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/camouflage

A little more physically/ visually present choice is Benjamin Moore providence olive

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/providenceolive

The misses tends to go with more neutral paint because we have a lot of art that we rotate. More neutral paint lends itself to that.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

 

[Binky The Doormat]

One can think of an interior designer (not decorator) as a designer/architect of pre-existing spaces. Thus, intention should drive aesthetic choices.

Her questions are:

What is your goal?

What do you want the paint to do for the room?

What are you trying to create in that space?

As a painter, I can tell you that a lot of different colors would work in that space. However, those colors would create different atmospheres and impact other items differently.

If you want a neutral/transitional color that can allow art/flowers/seasonal things to pop

she recommends Benjamin Moore camouflage

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/camouflage

A little more physically/ visually present choice is Benjamin Moore providence olive

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/providenceolive

The misses tends to go with more neutral paint because we have a lot of art that we rotate. More neutral paint lends itself to that.

SLB - good stuff here from RFW, didn't see this until after I sent you a note back. After you guys settle on a handful of general color choices and tone - bright vs. muted, we can go from there. I put one of your pics in the sherwin williams app, tried the benjamin moore and had problems saving.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

One can think of an interior designer (not decorator) as a designer/architect of pre-existing spaces. Thus, intention should drive aesthetic choices.

Her questions are:

What is your goal?

What do you want the paint to do for the room?

What are you trying to create in that space?

As a painter, I can tell you that a lot of different colors would work in that space. However, those colors would create different atmospheres and impact other items differently.

If you want a neutral/transitional color that can allow art/flowers/seasonal things to pop

she recommends Benjamin Moore camouflage

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/camouflage

A little more physically/ visually present choice is Benjamin Moore providence olive

www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/providenceolive

The misses tends to go with more neutral paint because we have a lot of art that we rotate. More neutral paint lends itself to that.

SLB - good stuff here from RFW, didn't see this until after I sent you a note back. After you guys settle on a handful of general color choices and tone - bright vs. muted, we can go from there. I put one of your pics in the sherwin williams app, tried the benjamin moore and had problems saving.

Thanks again to both of you. My only goal is something neutral that is going to look nice for awhile. At the last house Mrs. SLB picked out some orange color that made me think I lived in Arizona. It wasn't horrible but I didn't exactly care for it either.

She is favoring a gray tone now. Just really unsure about that because it seems to me it would make it really dreary. Particularly the darker version that she likes.

 

[mr roboto]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Just ribbing you GB. It's far nicer than our kitchen.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Just ribbing you GB. It's far nicer than our kitchen.

Sorry, I'm usually pretty cranky in the morning until I get my exercise in.

 

[El Floppo]

Dot.

 

[FDAS]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Only one bar stool? Why do you choose to be so poor?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Only one bar stool? Why do you choose to be so poor?

lol

The other one is off to the right at another counter not shown.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

houzz - faux stone accent kitchen wall pics

http://www.houzz.com/photos/kitchen/faux-stone-wall-

 

[St. Louis Bob]

houzz - faux stone accent kitchen wall pics

http://www.houzz.com/photos/kitchen/faux-stone-wall-

Big props to Binky, thanks for all of your help GB!

 

[St. Louis Bob]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Sorry guys, I've been busy and I know you've been on pins and needles.

Here's a pic before of the kitchen from another angle.

After (I apparently suck at taking pictures.)

Kitchen 1 Kitchen 2 Kitchen & Hearth Hearth 1 Hearth 2

We were going to go with an accent wall in a dark beige in the hearth but I told Mrs. SLB we should probably do the rest in that dark brown. In an unpredictable move, she decided to go with easy. I'm still a little shocked.

All in all, I really like it. Other than I now need to come up with some jack to paint most of the rest of the house.

Thanks again GBBinky, I appreciate it.

ETA

Yes, I know the print wasn't centered. I fixed that. Bonus pic of my youngest wearing a Union hat playing the flute.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

That bad huh?

 

[offdee]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

 

[Frostillicus]

If you have oak cabinets, you are hopeless already.

Yeah, it's a real shithole.

Sorry guys, I've been busy and I know you've been on pins and needles.

Here's a pic before of the kitchen from another angle.

After (I apparently suck at taking pictures.)

Kitchen 1 Kitchen 2 Kitchen & Hearth Hearth 1 Hearth 2

We were going to go with an accent wall in a dark beige in the hearth but I told Mrs. SLB we should probably do the rest in that dark brown. In an unpredictable move, she decided to go with easy. I'm still a little shocked.

All in all, I really like it. Other than I now need to come up with some jack to paint most of the rest of the house.

Thanks again GBBinky, I appreciate it.

ETA

Yes, I know the print wasn't centered. I fixed that. Bonus pic of my youngest wearing a Union hat playing the flute.

oh god

 

[El Floppo]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.

place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

eta: I will say, that's probably more pics of a stranger's kid in his pajamas than I should probably be looking at.

 

[offdee]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.

place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

Are you serious? Not trying to be an ### here, but the height of that pic hung is terrible. If he's looking for interior designer type quality feedback than nothing screams amateur/no design sense than pictures hung too high.

Rule of thumb:

- Regular pics hung on wall: center of pic approx. 60" from the floor

- Over the mantel pics: bottom of pic approx 6"-8" above mantel

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.

place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

eta: I will say, that's probably more pics of a stranger's kid in his pajamas than I should probably be looking at.

Thanks to you too Offdee. When you have young insane children, you tend to put things you don't want them to break out of reach.

Nice to see you around Floppy, I hope you are doing well.

 

[El Floppo]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.

place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

Are you serious? Not trying to be an ### here, but the height of that pic hung is terrible. If he's looking for interior designer type quality feedback than nothing screams amateur/no design sense than pictures hung too high.

Rule of thumb:

- Regular pics hung on wall: center of pic approx. 60" from the floor

- Over the mantel pics: bottom of pic approx 6"-8" above mantel

I love the thumbs.

I know you like to read articles and whatnot... but keep in mind that a youngish family is probably going to put some pictures and whatnot up on that mantel- which makes the height of that painting just fine. If only I got paid to do this stuff... oh.. .right.

 

[Battles]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

Are you serious? Not trying to be an ### here, but the height of that pic hung is terrible. If he's looking for interior designer type quality feedback than nothing screams amateur/no design sense than pictures hung too high.

Rule of thumb:

- Regular pics hung on wall: center of pic approx. 60" from the floor

- Over the mantel pics: bottom of pic approx 6"-8" above mantel

I love the thumbs.I know you like to read articles and whatnot... but keep in mind that a youngish family is probably going to put some pictures and whatnot up on that mantel- which makes the height of that painting just fine. If only I got paid to do this stuff... oh.. .right.

I get paid for it, too. It's too high and offdee is correct. Offdee is helping. You're coming off as a snooty ny architect...oh...right.

No offense meant or anything. God bless.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

FYI

I found out that if you are just looking to paint, Sherwin Williams will send out a "decorator" to help you pick out colors for $75 an hour. They will then issue you a gift card for an equal amount to spend at their store. Worked out pretty well I think plus she was a hot middle eastern broad. Pretty sure you have to be good looking as part of the job qualification.

Anyhow, the painters started today. Getting everything painted with the exception of the boys rooms, bathrooms upstairs, extra bedroom, our bathroom and closet. Still a ton of painting to do and will make a huge difference. Pretty stoked about this. #humblebrag

 

[El Floppo]

good stuff, SLB.

and yeah- interior decorator/designers are usually pretty foxy.

lol at myself... I don't think I ever even looked at your pictures- so I was completely talking through my ### about colors and heights. Offdee was absolutely right about that stuff being too high. IIRC, I think he annoyed me with all the rules of thumbs and the 'style' bs, and that he was riding you in here.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

good stuff, SLB.

and yeah- interior decorator/designers are usually pretty foxy.

lol at myself... I don't think I ever even looked at your pictures- so I was completely talking through my ### about colors and heights. Offdee was absolutely right about that stuff being too high. IIRC, I think he annoyed me with all the rules of thumbs and the 'style' bs, and that he was riding you in here.

It's one freaking picture and my link.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Color is good GB, but whats going on with the picture above the fireplace? Hung way too high (bottom should be about 6" above the mantel) and not even close to being centered.

ETA, see you fixed the non centered issue....the height hung is actually a worse offense.

this ####### guy.

place looks great, slb. the color choice ended up better than I thought. painting height looks fine, although 7 1/2" above mantel is money these days, according to I read it in a magazine article about art over mantel heights quarterly.

Are you serious? Not trying to be an ### here, but the height of that pic hung is terrible. If he's looking for interior designer type quality feedback than nothing screams amateur/no design sense than pictures hung too high.

Rule of thumb:

- Regular pics hung on wall: center of pic approx. 60" from the floor

- Over the mantel pics: bottom of pic approx 6"-8" above mantel

I love the thumbs.

I know you like to read articles and whatnot... but keep in mind that a youngish family is probably going to put some pictures and whatnot up on that mantel- which makes the height of that painting just fine. If only I got paid to do this stuff... oh.. .right.

Bob, I think you're happy with what you found on your own & with BTD's help. If you and Mrs. SLB are pleased nothing else matters (no snark)

I just wanted to add to anyone wandering in: if you can comfortably squeeze it into your budget, an interior designer is worth every ####### penny. If you play golf, it's like the difference between fairways at a popular muni and a 300 member private club. That said, it's a big delta, and one of those ignorance is truly bliss things. Buy dress shirts off the rack and you'll be completely satisfied. Get a couple custom made shirts one-time, and you're ####ed for life. The latter costs a lot and the cost/benefit might seem questionable from the outside looking in. But if you're cool with shooting the locks off the wallet, a good designer who understands you/your aesthetic is absurdly satisfying. Off. The. Charts.

YMMV

 

[BobbyLayne]

Christ, I just realized this thread is older than Tanner. Nice of GB Flop to come clean six months later...

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bob, you did replace the cabinetry, right?

####### with ya, bra.

 

[El Floppo]

good stuff, SLB.

and yeah- interior decorator/designers are usually pretty foxy.

lol at myself... I don't think I ever even looked at your pictures- so I was completely talking through my ### about colors and heights. Offdee was absolutely right about that stuff being too high. IIRC, I think he annoyed me with all the rules of thumbs and the 'style' bs, and that he was riding you in here.

It's one freaking picture and my link.

sorry, gb- I don't really either. I just didn't like somebody messing with you in your thread.

 

[BobbyLayne]

good stuff, SLB.

and yeah- interior decorator/designers are usually pretty foxy.

lol at myself... I don't think I ever even looked at your pictures- so I was completely talking through my ### about colors and heights. Offdee was absolutely right about that stuff being too high. IIRC, I think he annoyed me with all the rules of thumbs and the 'style' bs, and that he was riding you in here.

It's one freaking picture and my link.

sorry, gb- I don't really either. I just didn't like somebody messing with you in your thread.

 

[mr roboto]

Bobs touchy about his house.