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Anybody else rolling with Carson Palmer this weekend? (1 Viewer)

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I'm a bit leary of trotting out Carson Palmer this weekend because the Bengals winning formula is obviously to pound the ball and play good defense. But, this matchup just looks too good! Detroit flat out blows against the pass and doesn't get much pressure on the QB.

What makes the decision hard to go with Palmer is the Bengals are 21st in passing yards and 27th in passing attempts.

Anybody starting Palmer this weekend with confidence?

 
I wouldn't start him over a top 10 QB, but if you are suffering with Orton or Cutler, or if Roeth or Warner can't go, you could do worse. He should get 2 TDs, but don't expect much by way of yardage (200 ish, ala the Chicago or GB game).

 
Been struggling with this myself. Can't decide if I should roll with him or Big Ben vs. Oak. The Lions are so bad they allowed Brady freakin' Quinn to throw 4 TDs against them. Right now Carson is in my line-up.

 
You just have to hope for the Lions lapses to be so bad in the secondary that the Bengals don't even have to put together long drives. Palmer is safer than Ben or Warner because of the lack of re-injury risk, so if you are set elsewhere, maybe starting him over them seems sound. Cutler, Orton, VY, Alex Smith all seem like basically plays that are just as safe with more upside. Unless Palmer is hyperefficient or the Bengals D/ST has major breakdowns, you are looking at 200/2 as his ceiling.

 
I have him in over McNabb right now

I could swear that I read somewhere that DET has given up 333 yds/game passing over the last 4 games

 
Looks like a few of us are in the same boat........Carson or Big Ben. I'm going to end up going with Palmer ONLY because it's Detroit.......and.......I've got to believe that the Steelers will try to run the ball more therefore reducing the numbers of hits to Big Ben.

Here's hoping the Bengals let if fly this weekend! :popcorn:

 
Palmer over Garrard. I also have 85 so I am hoping at least 2 connections for TD. Then again, I was hoping for the same thing against CLE last week!

 
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Palmer over Garrard and VY. Just dropped Matt Ryan. Tried QBBC this year but Palmer too unpredictable and Ryan has imploded.

Impossible to predict CIN gameplan but matchup against Lions just too tough to resist.

 
QBs have a ridiculous QB efficiency rating against the Lions, something like 120 or 130 (guessing). The secondary is on their 4th starting strong safety...Marvin White, who is not good in coverage. They can't get a pass rush. They can't cover anyone. They can't stop anyone.

If that doesn't explain it, then try this: Brady Quinn torched the Lions. That speaks volumes.

I'd start Palmer over all but the elite QBs.

 
Starting him over Vince Young and Garrard (yes, I'm an idiot with 3 QBs on my roster in a start-1 league, but I've been getting pummeled all year at the position).

I'm just hoping they throw the ball more than in recent weeks. #85 was griping this week about how they need to get the pass going, so I'm hoping someone actually listens to his blather.

 
MCguidance said:
He's my number 1, and I expect good things down the stretch, including this week.
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can you expound upon this? i just got an offer of carson palmer for michael turner and shot it down, because i don't think he'll be great down the stretch. mainly becuase he's been very pedestrian the last month or so. i may revisit the deal if i rethink it and palmer starts looking better.its a start 2 QB league. i wouldn't even consider it in a start 1 QB league, though.
 
Carson or Warner for me... Even if Warner plays, I'll probably go Carson given the matchup and question marks surrounding Warner's health.

 
The Bengals are a run first ball control team. The offense is too conservative to expect more than 250yards/2TDs. The defense is now too good to expect the Bengals to need more than that to win.

 
What kind of track record does Ochocinco have when asking for more passes? TO used to have those crazy weeks where he would gripe about not being involved enough, and then get fed for those 10-150-2 kind of games. Right now, I'm worried the Bengals might try to get Ochocinco a TD just to keep him happy, but will keep the focus on running the ball and playing defense.

 
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Not over Big Ben. Started him last week when Ben was out and Palmer shat the bed. IIRC right it was ONLY Cleveland last week.

 
editor47 said:
MCguidance said:
He's my number 1, and I expect good things down the stretch, including this week.
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can you expound upon this? i just got an offer of carson palmer for michael turner and shot it down, because i don't think he'll be great down the stretch. mainly becuase he's been very pedestrian the last month or so. i may revisit the deal if i rethink it and palmer starts looking better.its a start 2 QB league. i wouldn't even consider it in a start 1 QB league, though.
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People are down on Carson, he's a great buy low. But you're giving up Turner? I'd say no unless you are set at RB.
 
knowledge dropper said:
The Bengals are a run first ball control team. The offense is too conservative to expect more than 250yards/2TDs. The defense is now too good to expect the Bengals to need more than that to win.
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Well, Palmer did have a 5 TD game against the Bears earlier this year. It all depends if Benson or LJ can punch in those TD's once they get in the red zone. That's what happened in that Chicago game. Cincy moved the ball up and down the field at will, but the RBs failed to cash in, and Palmer took matters into this own hands.
 
MCguidance said:
editor47 said:
MCguidance said:
He's my number 1, and I expect good things down the stretch, including this week.
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can you expound upon this? i just got an offer of carson palmer for michael turner and shot it down, because i don't think he'll be great down the stretch. mainly becuase he's been very pedestrian the last month or so. i may revisit the deal if i rethink it and palmer starts looking better.its a start 2 QB league. i wouldn't even consider it in a start 1 QB league, though.
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People are down on Carson, he's a great buy low. But you're giving up Turner? I'd say no unless you are set at RB.
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i am strong at RB with MJD, CJ3 and PT in addition to Turner. I'm more concerned with the next 5 weeks than with 2010. We get zero points for passing yards until they hit 250 and while Palmer was strong early in the season, since the bye he's been pretty weak. But this is a great matchup, though they could just run the Lions into the ground. Turner has two of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in weeks 16 and 17, though. If I was certain he'd be 100 percent for those two games I would not consider it.Oh, and we use a deep starting lineup, so there's no concern with how deep RB is. They can all start most weeks.
 
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senyera said:
Right now I have Alex Smith over him for reasons stated above
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Ditto on that, with Smith over Ben/Palmer for me this week.Once the news of Ben being out came down last Saturday, I chose to roll with Palmer vs. the Browns ... ya know, the defense that made Matthew Stafford look like some freakish Peyton/Brees/Brady hybrid the previous week.Palmer had 59 yds. passing at halftime. FIFTY NINE. :thumbup: TD pass to Foschi (of all people) was the only saving grace of that putrid performance. Finished with a ROBUST 110 yds. passing. At home. Against Cleveland (see Stafford reference). The Bengals do not see the need to throw the ball around the yard vs. lesser opponents, and why should they? They tore the Browns a new one last week on the ground, as their new project, LJ, even hit the c-note. Why would they change the philosophy at this stage?This passing "attack" has been dormant for weeks ... anything to do with Henry being gone? Even though he was having a miserable season, at least he did help to stretch the defense. I would have no confidence in Palmer coming through this week. Will it be a repeat of last week? Probably not as bad, I mean ... FIFTY NINE yds. at half, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN YARDS for the entire game? Maybe this week it'll improve to 65/125 splits ...Dropped him for VY ... the Bengals passing game is fantasy hell. :thumbup:
 
editor47 said:
MCguidance said:
editor47 said:
MCguidance said:
He's my number 1, and I expect good things down the stretch, including this week.
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can you expound upon this? i just got an offer of carson palmer for michael turner and shot it down, because i don't think he'll be great down the stretch. mainly becuase he's been very pedestrian the last month or so. i may revisit the deal if i rethink it and palmer starts looking better.its a start 2 QB league. i wouldn't even consider it in a start 1 QB league, though.
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People are down on Carson, he's a great buy low. But you're giving up Turner? I'd say no unless you are set at RB.
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i am strong at RB with MJD, CJ3 and PT in addition to Turner. I'm more concerned with the next 5 weeks than with 2010. We get zero points for passing yards until they hit 250 and while Palmer was strong early in the season, since the bye he's been pretty weak. But this is a great matchup, though they could just run the Lions into the ground. Turner has two of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in weeks 16 and 17, though. If I was certain he'd be 100 percent for those two games I would not consider it.Oh, and we use a deep starting lineup, so there's no concern with how deep RB is. They can all start most weeks.
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I know you are not concerned with 2010, but I still would not make the deal. Turner is too valuable to give up for Palmer. Try and get by with what you have or make another deal. Turner, when healthy, will bring a top 10 QB. I don't see him hitting 250 in yards, unfortunately for you, so sit tight. JMO, of course.
 
otb_lifer said:
senyera said:
Right now I have Alex Smith over him for reasons stated above
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Ditto on that, with Smith over Ben/Palmer for me this week.Once the news of Ben being out came down last Saturday, I chose to roll with Palmer vs. the Browns ... ya know, the defense that made Matthew Stafford look like some freakish Peyton/Brees/Brady hybrid the previous week.Palmer had 59 yds. passing at halftime. FIFTY NINE. :IBTL: TD pass to Foschi (of all people) was the only saving grace of that putrid performance. Finished with a ROBUST 110 yds. passing. At home. Against Cleveland (see Stafford reference). The Bengals do not see the need to throw the ball around the yard vs. lesser opponents, and why should they? They tore the Browns a new one last week on the ground, as their new project, LJ, even hit the c-note. Why would they change the philosophy at this stage?This passing "attack" has been dormant for weeks ... anything to do with Henry being gone? Even though he was having a miserable season, at least he did help to stretch the defense. I would have no confidence in Palmer coming through this week. Will it be a repeat of last week? Probably not as bad, I mean ... FIFTY NINE yds. at half, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN YARDS for the entire game? Maybe this week it'll improve to 65/125 splits ...Dropped him for VY ... the Bengals passing game is fantasy hell. :rant:
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The Browns pass defense is in the bottom 10. They give up 233 ypg, 59% completion percentage. and have given up 16 TD passes. The Lions are last by a mile. They give up over 280 ypg, a ridiculous 70% completion percentage, and have give up 27 TD passes. There is a big difference between the Browns pass defense and the Lions pass defense.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
otb_lifer said:
senyera said:
Right now I have Alex Smith over him for reasons stated above
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Ditto on that, with Smith over Ben/Palmer for me this week.Once the news of Ben being out came down last Saturday, I chose to roll with Palmer vs. the Browns ... ya know, the defense that made Matthew Stafford look like some freakish Peyton/Brees/Brady hybrid the previous week.Palmer had 59 yds. passing at halftime. FIFTY NINE. :( TD pass to Foschi (of all people) was the only saving grace of that putrid performance. Finished with a ROBUST 110 yds. passing. At home. Against Cleveland (see Stafford reference). The Bengals do not see the need to throw the ball around the yard vs. lesser opponents, and why should they? They tore the Browns a new one last week on the ground, as their new project, LJ, even hit the c-note. Why would they change the philosophy at this stage?This passing "attack" has been dormant for weeks ... anything to do with Henry being gone? Even though he was having a miserable season, at least he did help to stretch the defense. I would have no confidence in Palmer coming through this week. Will it be a repeat of last week? Probably not as bad, I mean ... FIFTY NINE yds. at half, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN YARDS for the entire game? Maybe this week it'll improve to 65/125 splits ...Dropped him for VY ... the Bengals passing game is fantasy hell. :thumbup:
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The Browns pass defense is in the bottom 10. They give up 233 ypg, 59% completion percentage. and have given up 16 TD passes. The Lions are last by a mile. They give up over 280 ypg, a ridiculous 70% completion percentage, and have give up 27 TD passes. There is a big difference between the Browns pass defense and the Lions pass defense.
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Ask Stafford about the difference ... Those stats are duly noted ... however, it's still Palmer and the Bengals offensive philosophy at this stage of the season that mandate my vote of "stay away". As I said earlier, this team has found a winning formula, and it's runrunrunrun ... then run some more. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It has them in first place, and looking to lock up their division. Good for them, bad for fantasy players relying on components of the Cincy air "attack" ... I'll "pass" (pun intended) , and wish those that do have to start him the best of luck on Sunday :thumbup:
 
WITHOUT A DOUBT :)

I have watched this Lions team make superstars out of nobodies and make guys look like sure fire first ballot HOFers (see Quinn 2 weeks ago)

Our secondary is about as bad as I have ever seen it...and if you've been following the Lions over the years you'd know our one consistent achilles heel has been the Secondary....Will James couldn't cover my Wife...he gets burned at least once or twice a game for huge plays and will also miss a sure tackle or two, allowing a 4 yard slant turn into a 25 yard gain.

With Ocho Cinco barking for the ball this week I see the Bengals feasting on the porous Lions DEF to showcase another part of the game...come playoff time the Bengals and CedBen aren't going to run wild on defenses....what better time to get Palmer to 85, Palmer to Coles, Palmer to Caldwell etc, etc going.

I'm rolling with Palmer over Cutler, over Orton/Garrard and over Stafford....sure, those aren't great options but I'd feel comfortable starting him over almost any QB this week....that Lions secondary is awful, and I mean awful.

Here's a sampling of what other QBs have done this yr vs DET:

Brees ~ 358 & 6 TDs :excited:
Favre ~ 155 & 2 TDs
All World Jason Campbell ~ 340 & 2 TDs
Cutler ~ 141 & 3 TDs
Big Ben ~ 277 & 3 TDs
Rodgers ~ 358 & 2 TDs
Bulger ~ 176 & 0 TDs :unsure:
Hasslebeck ~ 329 & 1 TD
Favre ~ 344 & 1 TD
Quinn ~ 304 & 4 TDs :D
Rodgers ~ 348 & 3 TDs
 
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I got sucked into the Palmer hype machine after the 5-TD Chicago performance in Week 8. His matchups against Cleveland and Detroit in my fight for a FF playoff spot were just too good to be true.

One excuse would be just conservative Cinci play-calling but the 2 INTs, 2 sacks and a lost fumble yesterday were mostly on Palmer. He looked very sloppy.

My strategy this year was QBBC with Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer.

Sigh.

One last chance to make playoffs if Baltimore can hold Rodgers in check and if the gods are with me it's between VY, Henne and Josh Freeman the rest of the year.

 
For those owners holding Palmer and not much else, take a look at Fitzpatrick. He plays the Patriots and the Falcons in Weeks 15 and 16. Henne just exposed the Patriots and the Falcons have a horrible secondary.

 
Am I crazy for considering playing him @MIN next week?

Warner made their pass D look like a joke and their run D is unbelievable. Won't be surprised if they are playing from behind.

My other options are VY and Garrard on waivers.

 
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