Urinal Mint
Footballguy
Dallas did enough to beat themselves today. It's a good learning experience. If they can't stop a few consecutive dive plays at the end of the game, that's on them.
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Anybody else think this was bush league? (2 Viewers)
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Agreed 100%. Less about rubbing it in and more about giving a guy four shots at the end zone who may never get it again.Did it appear to anyone else that Phillips didn't shake Belichick's hand after the game?
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
They didn't get much help from the offense. The Dallas offense failed to sustain long drives to rest the defense. The defense failed to stop the Patriots on 3rd down. They cyclically beat themselves today. Their kick return unit stunk as well, putting the offense in terrible starting position all day.
greenline
Footballguy
Yeah I saw that too. BB just kind of made a face and exited stage left. Wade Phillips sucks. He sucked in Buffalo as a coach and he still sucks today.Koya said:Agreed 100%. Less about rubbing it in and more about giving a guy four shots at the end zone who may never get it again.Did it appear to anyone else that Phillips didn't shake Belichick's hand after the game?
fatness
Footballguy
You were ahead for one brief moment there. Then you self-destructed again.
Yes, just a muscle shark trying to get to great white status...Ok, just wanted to make sure you were spouting useless #### in the shark pool.Same name...
pollardsvision
Footballguy
this isn't connecticut high school football. this is the nfl.
in this nfl, with it's borderline mediocrity, every spread is less than 7 points, i don't know why people have a problem with teams that can and will go out and dominate someone. i find it refreshing. if it means playing with chip on your shoulder, wanting to send a message, so be it.
(i'm not a pats fan)
in this nfl, with it's borderline mediocrity, every spread is less than 7 points, i don't know why people have a problem with teams that can and will go out and dominate someone. i find it refreshing. if it means playing with chip on your shoulder, wanting to send a message, so be it.
(i'm not a pats fan)
Truth be written, I actually meant to hit "i" not "o"....take a look at your keyboard.
Uncomfortably dancing in front of your TV?
= Ice Man =
Footballguy
I'm a HUGE Cowboys fan (grew up just outside of Dallas), and while I think BB is a despicable person, I have no problem w/ any team continuing to play football, regardless of the time left in the game or the score. I absolutely despise coaches that take their foot off the gas in blowouts. IMO, it's not fair for the backups, who often only get to play in blowouts. Those guys don't bust their butts every week to take knee after knee. It's the defense's job to stop the offense, period! And trust me, my sofa took a beating w/ every 1st down NE picked up during the game. Sucks for Dallas, but they earned the beat down.....including that last TD!
yeah, it may have been a "shut your cake hole" to phillips...but i think it was more of a naval academy thing. eckel was rated pretty highly at FB coming out of navy, had to go into active duty instead of draft/NFL but served in newport (near pats training camp) in 2005 was cut in last round of cuts by the pats in 2005, picked up by miami, released, claimed again by NE this season...worked his way up from practice squad to backup FB behind heath evans, and is a team favorite, especially to the coaches who love his work ethic, and to belichick who of course loves the naval academy...so, sure, it was prob a big eff you to wade, but i think it was more belichick giving some limelight to one of his annapolis homies.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
If they kick a field goal, we'd hear about how they should have kneeled. If they kneel with time left on the clock, we hear how they're rubbing it in. The only sportsmanline answer would have been to gently roll the ball backwards towards their own goal line.
joffer
Footballguy
huh?
There is nothing more humiliating for a team than when an opponent lays down when they have an opportunity to score. I am sure they would have kneeled the clock out give the chance, but Phillips denied that chance when he called the TO on first down.
bostonfred
Footballguy
If they'd kneeled on first, second and third down, there would have been a half a minute or so left on the clock. Kneeling three times and just handing the ball back to the opponent is kind of showing them up, like, I know we're only up two scores, but come on, you have no chance. Normally, teams only kneel when kneeling three times will end the half/game. Of course, that wouldn't have been an issue if the Cowboys hadn't called their last time out.
joffer
Footballguy
ok, i didn't see the end.agreed that if kneeling 3 times doesn't run out the clock, that is rubbing it in.i don't have a problem with them just running up the gut.
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
Yeah they would hear about it no matter what. To heck with it , they won.
Serafino
Footballguy
What I thought was bush league in this game was Brady calling timeout @ 2:13 to go in the game and then passing on 2nd down within the 10 yard line...
They were able to pass on Dallas at will, but it seems kind of arrogant and unnecessary when the game was pretty much wrapped up considering they were able to run pretty effectively...
I could be wrong, though...I ended up losing by 1 point on that last Welker reception!
They were able to pass on Dallas at will, but it seems kind of arrogant and unnecessary when the game was pretty much wrapped up considering they were able to run pretty effectively...
I could be wrong, though...I ended up losing by 1 point on that last Welker reception!
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
I'm still scratching my head that, after the interception in Cowboy territory, then didn't just let the Pats score. This way they would have gotten the ball back with 3:20 left to score three touchdowns. Unlikely sure, but their chance of winning the way they played it out was zero.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
and people think Patriot fans whine.
He called time out after letting the play clock run all the way down.
Serafino
Footballguy
My point being that most teams come out ready to run the ball to force the other team to burn timeouts...especially when they're up by 14...New England acted like they were down by 14 and really needed the passing play...
I have no problem with a rushing td late in the game...Dallas is out there to stop them...and they couldn't....but it still seemed arrogant to call the timeout and then pass...
I have no problem with a rushing td late in the game...Dallas is out there to stop them...and they couldn't....but it still seemed arrogant to call the timeout and then pass...
What was wrong with the timeout? Every team does this. THey couldn't run it down to the 2-minute warning so they let the playclock run down as far as they could and called TO. They weren't trying to stop the clock so they would have time to score.
Serafino
Footballguy
I guess when I'm up by 14 I have my rushing plays pretty much lined up and ready to go....I don't need to use my timeouts because at 2:13 I'm snapping the ball and rushing it...I just think it's kind of arrogant to be passing in this situation....the timeout to decide the which passing play you're going to call to further shove it down their throats is the iceing on the cake...Don't get me wrong...I play to win...I just would have ran in that situation...and not called a timeout...
Do you really believe that's why they called a timeout?Against a team that scored twice in under 4 minutes last week to win the game, I call timeout to make sure I have the right play called so I can get a first down and run the clock out. What was Phillips thinking when he called TO after the first down play?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I dislike the Patriots quite a bit, but it was not bush league. This is the NFL, not college football. Don't want the team to score...then stop them. Plus, Phillips was calling timeouts there, so the Patriots had no choice but to keep running the ball instead of kneeing to kill the clock.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Eckel's like Rudy on that team... I wasn't surprised at all.
The way I saw it, running 4 plays up the gut for the TD wasn't classless or arrogant, it was the wise move and best choice. The Pats had to burn 2+ minutes off the clock from inside the DAL 10; if they take knees, they give DAL the ball back at their 10 needing two quick scores -- see DAL @ BUF last MNF. Kicking the FG on 4th and 1 is a more risky play (see DAL @ SEA last year) than a handoff to the RB. By playing it safe with a run, if NEP scores, it seals the game; if NEP fails, DAL gets the ball on their own 1 with little time left.
It was nice that BB gave the Navy guy the opportunity for the TD, but the reality is that NEP didn't have much of a choice except to keep pushing forward considering how much time was on the clock. As usual, BB made the smart choice.
It was nice that BB gave the Navy guy the opportunity for the TD, but the reality is that NEP didn't have much of a choice except to keep pushing forward considering how much time was on the clock. As usual, BB made the smart choice.
prefontaine
Footballguy
The completely cluelessness in this thread defies my imagination. How can anyone blame the Pats here? Phillips called timeout. The Cowboys were still trying to win. Want the other team to take it easy on you? It's very simple. Don't call timeout. I'm not a Pats fan at all but you guys are just looking for a reason to whine about them. Get over it. This kind of thing happens in the NFL every day but nobody notices or says anything because it isn't BB.
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
I always wonder about this "running up the score" thing. If you're a player, do you care if you get beaten by 24 or 17? Really?
The goal of the offense is to score points to help win the game. I'm far from a Patriots fan, but if I'm Belicheck, I'm running my offense 'til the end of the game. No need to purposely fail just because you're better than the other team.
Lots of lightening up needs to happen in here. You lost. The extra TD doesn't matter. Just because Belicheck's a cheat doesn't mean this is a bad thing.
The goal of the offense is to score points to help win the game. I'm far from a Patriots fan, but if I'm Belicheck, I'm running my offense 'til the end of the game. No need to purposely fail just because you're better than the other team.
Lots of lightening up needs to happen in here. You lost. The extra TD doesn't matter. Just because Belicheck's a cheat doesn't mean this is a bad thing.
OU#1
Footballguy
I didn't read this whole post, but I see this as no different than letting Michael Turner go left end and taking it to the house in mop time.
The PATS game was never out of reach before the last Romo pick and then they just insured the clock was killed for the most part. Who cares if the 4th string RB got a TD. I was surprised they didn't pad Brady's stats. Not to mention that 4th string RB might be be getting ALOT of PT next week.
The PATS game was never out of reach before the last Romo pick and then they just insured the clock was killed for the most part. Who cares if the 4th string RB got a TD. I was surprised they didn't pad Brady's stats. Not to mention that 4th string RB might be be getting ALOT of PT next week.
schooner44
Footballguy
I need to preface this by saying I HATE the Cowboys but was actually cheering for them against the Pats because I hate the Pats that much more. I have a few points about this.
1) Yes it is tacky but if your defense can't stop a 4th string RB then they deserve to be scored on.
2) Why not give the scrub RB a shot at a TD as he'll get very few opportunities to do so.
3) Bellicheat is still being a #####y little girl about being caught cheating and is trying to make a point that they can score at will.
4) I could be wrong but they could not kneel or Dallas would have gotten the ball back.
5) If the Patriots were out there not to hurt the Cowboys feelings, they would have forfeited.
1) Yes it is tacky but if your defense can't stop a 4th string RB then they deserve to be scored on.
2) Why not give the scrub RB a shot at a TD as he'll get very few opportunities to do so.
3) Bellicheat is still being a #####y little girl about being caught cheating and is trying to make a point that they can score at will.
4) I could be wrong but they could not kneel or Dallas would have gotten the ball back.
5) If the Patriots were out there not to hurt the Cowboys feelings, they would have forfeited.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Gratz, you didn't have to edit your post that time.
Ding, Ding, Ding......we have a winner.Am I the only FF team that played Eckel tonight? I was hoping for more, but I'll take the 1 TD.
pinequick said:
It's not like they passed it in. It was a chance for Eckel to get his first TD, against a 1st string D. Nothing fancy. They took their gas off the pedal, clearly. they just didn't apply the brakes. I'd actually rather they kick the field goal, because it was my kicker, but I understand why it's MORE of a sportsman move to try and run it in. At least they have a chance to stop you frum running it up.1. New England was clearly the better team.ClearlyColin Dowling said:
2. A late TD or a 1 point win, it looks the same in the standings.
Actually, with Indy still undefeated, Pooint differential could easilly come into play down the road. So, in reality a team has an obligation to score as much, and hold theopponent to as little, as they can. Imagine in they lost the #1 seed by 6 points? Possible? Absolutely
3. Rodney Harrison is a cheater
So is Albert Haynesworth. So are many, many players names who haven't been exposed until they fail the second time, as Harrison did. He admitted to it, unlike say Shawn Merriman.
4. The Cowboys were the 2nd best team on that field, but they shot themselves in the foot plenty w/ penalties.
Many of the penalties were because they were out of position to a better player. You are often forced to commit penalties, because you're beat.
