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Anybody feel guilty about rostering Mike Vick? (1 Viewer)

LawFitz

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I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.

 
It's business, not personal. If Rae Carruth was let out of prision and was a servicable WR3 I'd play him and not think 2 seconds about it.

 
I don't like him for what he did, but I'm all about winning my league. If Ray Lewis killed a man people shouldn't own him as an IDP?

 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.

 
I absolutely think he's a terrible person, but I'm not supporting him in any meaningful way by having him on my fantasy roster. For all I care, he can have a career ending catastrophic leg injury, as long as it's not while I am starting him.

I would never buy a jersey or do anything that makes him any money in the slightest, however.

 
Do I feel guilty rostering him?

NO...not in the least. And even if he wasn't on my FF team I would be rooting for the guy to succeed.

I am a dog owner too and what Vick did was terrible BUT he is a person. I try my best not to judge other people. IMO that is for a higher power to do. As far as Karma, I tend to think that losing millions, public shame, spending a year and a half in a prison cell, all could count toward bad karma.

In general I believe in giving people 2nd chances. I enjoy seeing people succeed after facing adversity. Even when it's self-induced. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I view things completely differently.

 
I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.
I'm sure if you went through your rosters over the years you haven't had all choir boys. Man paid his debt, time to forgive.
 
This will be a touchy subject, but I agree with you. Luckily I'm stacked at QB and I don't even need to think about it. I'll let someone else pick him up.

 
If you're going to play fantasy football then you're making a deal with yourself to engage in cognitive dissonance at all times. Separate the players and their questionable legal histories from their numbers. That holds true for everyone from Vick to Roethlisberger to Reggie Bush to...there are hundreds more. Let it go. It's OK to keep your conscience separate from your fantasy life.

 
Fantasy football is nothing but a numbers game. No need to involve emotion at all, but whatever makes you nancies feel better.

 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
How many rapists are in the game, im curious.Dog fighting has less to do with the outcome and more to do with the conditions, your taking an otherwise respectable animal and degrading it to the point of breaking down to its most basic instincts. Its such a disgusting crime. He deserves a 2nd chance in the NFL and hes actually on one of my teams but every time I hear or see Vick I point out to anyone I know that hes a piece of ####.
 
I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.
I'm sure if you went through your rosters over the years you haven't had all choir boys. Man paid his debt, time to forgive.
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Hate the sin, not the sinner.

 
"Anybody feel guilty about rostering Mike Vick?, deal with the devil"

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If you're going to play fantasy football then you're making a deal with yourself to engage in cognitive dissonance at all times. Separate the players and their questionable legal histories from their numbers. That holds true for everyone from Vick to Roethlisberger to Reggie Bush to...there are hundreds more. Let it go. It's OK to keep your conscience separate from your fantasy life.
I like this post...however, now that I've rostered Vick, I've decided that if I win with him on my team, I will donate a portion of the proceeds to pit bull rescue.
 
There have always been players that I disliked enough to never draft that did far less evil than Vick.

Nope, I root for him to crash and burn in the worst possible way. I'd prefer he got treated the way he treated dogs, but I'll settle for less.

 
Do I feel guilty rostering him?NO...not in the least. And even if he wasn't on my FF team I would be rooting for the guy to succeed.I am a dog owner too and what Vick did was terrible BUT he is a person. I try my best not to judge other people. IMO that is for a higher power to do. As far as Karma, I tend to think that losing millions, public shame, spending a year and a half in a prison cell, all could count toward bad karma.In general I believe in giving people 2nd chances. I enjoy seeing people succeed after facing adversity. Even when it's self-induced. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I view things completely differently.
I get what you are saying. And truthfully, I wasn't intending to bash those who have rostered him or were planning on doing so. It's just a tough gut check call for me and I was curious about other opinions. Like I said, I was trying to trade for him. Just realized that I'm glad the trade didn't go through because of my own emotional ties to dogs and pitbulls.
 
Grabbed him in dynasty while he served his jail sentence. Been waiting for this to happen. Not so much to make a big trade or cash him in. I think he is still erratic and will be up and down but with a coach like Andy Reid vs Jim Mora Jr I like him to maximize his abilities. He looked sensational on carpet last week and can avoid sacks which is what that offense needs.

Vick is a leader and he has the command of that locker room and he's got swagger...lots and lots of swagger on the field. The team responds to him and this will put Philly in the driver seat in the NFC East. Dark horse now for the entire Michael Vick movie that Will Smith will play in another year or two where he takes a no name college and makes them a household name, anyone remember this commercial, then the tragedy and fall from grace that solely rested on his poor decisions, then jail, then back to the NFL and seizing the opp to prove that he does belong in the NFL and will achieve greatness witha Super Bowl run.

I can dream a little can't I?

 
Our league deducts half of a player's score for the duration of their career if they have ever spent time in prison or suspended for an entire season. Still don't feel guilty rostering him.

 
Don't feel guilty in the slightest. I have two pit bull/boxer mixes that I love like my children (because they pretty much are as close as I want to get). And if Mike Vick came near my dogs I might shoot him.

But... I'd play Satan himself if it won me a fantasy league. And picking him up is the rescue my QB poor team needed.

 
Do I feel guilty rostering him?NO...not in the least. And even if he wasn't on my FF team I would be rooting for the guy to succeed.I am a dog owner too and what Vick did was terrible BUT he is a person. I try my best not to judge other people. IMO that is for a higher power to do. As far as Karma, I tend to think that losing millions, public shame, spending a year and a half in a prison cell, all could count toward bad karma.In general I believe in giving people 2nd chances. I enjoy seeing people succeed after facing adversity. Even when it's self-induced. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I view things completely differently.
I get what you are saying. And truthfully, I wasn't intending to bash those who have rostered him or were planning on doing so. It's just a tough gut check call for me and I was curious about other opinions. Like I said, I was trying to trade for him. Just realized that I'm glad the trade didn't go through because of my own emotional ties to dogs and pitbulls.
Understandable. One of the great things about FF is everybody controls their own team and can do what they want with them. If you don't want to roster somebody for personal reasons then by all means do what you feel.I am from VA and have followed Vick since HS. My father played at VA Tech and my wife graduated from there. So I have somewhat of a connection to the guy. But even if that wasnt the case I would still root for the guy. I have never tortured animals and find it despicable but I have done other things I am not proud of and would hate for my worst actions to be public knowledge. Vick engaged in horrendous activities. But he was caught, served his time, and paid a considerable debt IMO. I am rooting for him as a person because I believe people can turn their lives around. I believe people can overcome their demons. And I believe in rooting for people to do their best and make the most of their God given ability. For me to judge someone and wish them ill will (not that you are) when I don't even know them would reflect poorly on me IMO. And as I said before, I leave the judging to a higher power and I leave the eligibility for my FF roster to the NFL. If a guy plays in the league and I think he can help me win games then I'll roster him. And I won't think twice about it.
 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
1.) The way some of these dogs were killed clearly had nothing to do with "mercy killing"2.) What do felons, rapists, abusers, etc have to do with people disliking Vick?3.) Regarding the glass houses, I doubt that very many people around here have ever done anything as horrible as Vick did. Or even close, for that matter.
 
I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.
if I had him on my team I'd have to root for him.I'd rather root for somebody to break his leg.

 
We don't have this issue in my league. It is well known if you try to pick up Vick, I will drop him from your roster, you lose the guy you dropped to pick him up, and you're still paying the $5 transaction fee. Thus, he's unrosterable.

 
I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.
Glad to hear you and your wife have principles.

I'd much rather win my leagues with Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. And if I didn't get one of the stud QBs, then I'll try my best to win with Jay Cutler or Eli Manning or Matt Ryan.

Heck, I don't like Tom Brady or the New England Patriots from a football perspective, but I'd much rather have Brady on my team than Vick.

And animal cruelty aside (which I can never forget), Vick has never really been that good of an NFL QB. Sure, he put up good stats against a Green Bay defense that gameplanned for Kolb and a horrible Detroit defense. Watch him choke against above-average or great Ds that are prepared for him as the starter. I can't wait for the Colts' Freeney and Mathas to get a hold of Vick like they did a few years ago when he was dragging down the Falcons.

LawFitz is right. It might take a while, but karma will not be kind to Vick or his FF owners this season.

 
We don't have this issue in my league. It is well known if you try to pick up Vick, I will drop him from your roster, you lose the guy you dropped to pick him up, and you're still paying the $5 transaction fee. Thus, he's unrosterable.
Sounds like a great league...got any openings?
 
Our league deducts half of a player's score for the duration of their career if they have ever spent time in prison or suspended for an entire season.
This is a joke, right? Lotta self righteous, judgemental nonsense going on in this thread.
Nope. Sunday school group league. Matt Forte was DQ'd from starting this past week as a result of his actions. His availability for the future is currently under review by our league panel.
 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
How many rapists are in the game, im curious.Dog fighting has less to do with the outcome and more to do with the conditions, your taking an otherwise respectable animal and degrading it to the point of breaking down to its most basic instincts. Its such a disgusting crime. He deserves a 2nd chance in the NFL and hes actually on one of my teams but every time I hear or see Vick I point out to anyone I know that hes a piece of ####.
Besides ben Roethlisburger. I am sure quite a few. Quite different to be a 'convicted rapist', but still a rapist all the same.
 
We don't have this issue in my league. It is well known if you try to pick up Vick, I will drop him from your roster, you lose the guy you dropped to pick him up, and you're still paying the $5 transaction fee. Thus, he's unrosterable.
:thumbup: No one is this ridiculous, nice try.
 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
How many rapists are in the game, im curious.Dog fighting has less to do with the outcome and more to do with the conditions, your taking an otherwise respectable animal and degrading it to the point of breaking down to its most basic instincts. Its such a disgusting crime. He deserves a 2nd chance in the NFL and hes actually on one of my teams but every time I hear or see Vick I point out to anyone I know that hes a piece of ####.
Any moreso than boxing, #### fighting, bull fighting, hunting or fishing? These are all morally relativistic decisions. Vick is to a large degree a piece of ####, but he also has a lot of good qualities too. In essence, he's human. I bet a lot more of us would melt under the scrutiny that these athletes get.
 
I almost traded for him this week. Vick is a monster in my 2 QB, 4pt passing TD/6 pt rushing TD league. He was instrumental in helping win my a championship in 2006 (right before being busted).

Personally, I'd forgiven him for what he did, but my wife snapped me back into reality yesterday. I mentioned that I was trying to trade for him and she reminded me that this is the guy who took a dog on a noose and repeatedly slammed him into the ground like a sack of potatoes in order to kill him.

She asked me a simple question, "do you really want to win with that guy on your roster?"

Forgiveness is a virtue, but as a pitbull owner and dog lover, I'm actually glad the trade fell through. Mike Vick is an amazing football player, but he can go win fantasy games for someone else. Karma is a son of a biotch. Don't be surprised to see Karma come back at this guy and your team if you play him.

Flame away as I know this post will piss many of you off and really has no basis on science or stats or trends or even logic, but I'm just saying. Dude wasn't just funding the dog fighting and abuse. He was right in the middle of it. I am willing to forgive, but it's really hard to forget.
I'm sure if you went through your rosters over the years you haven't had all choir boys. Man paid his debt, time to forgive.
:thumbup:

Hate the sin, not the sinner.
:thumbup:
 
Fantasy football is nothing but a numbers game.
If players were completely anonymous - they were somehow faceless and had no personality, and they just had numbers on their backs - would you care? Would you still get the same level of enjoyment out of Fantasy Anonymousball?
 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
1.) The way some of these dogs were killed clearly had nothing to do with "mercy killing"2.) What do felons, rapists, abusers, etc have to do with people disliking Vick?3.) Regarding the glass houses, I doubt that very many people around here have ever done anything as horrible as Vick did. Or even close, for that matter.
1. Not true.2. Comparative Logic3. Disagree. Greatly. But maybe that's just because I've seen people from all walks of life bare their 'worst moments' to me (crim def atty).
 
Our league deducts half of a player's score for the duration of their career if they have ever spent time in prison or suspended for an entire season.
This is a joke, right? Lotta self righteous, judgemental nonsense going on in this thread.
Nope. Sunday school group league. Matt Forte was DQ'd from starting this past week as a result of his actions. His availability for the future is currently under review by our league panel.
:bs: Do you deduct points for sins? Being gay? Not tithing fully? How was Mike Sims Walker punished for his premarital sex romp last year? :blackdot:
 
yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
How many rapists are in the game, im curious.Dog fighting has less to do with the outcome and more to do with the conditions, your taking an otherwise respectable animal and degrading it to the point of breaking down to its most basic instincts. Its such a disgusting crime. He deserves a 2nd chance in the NFL and hes actually on one of my teams but every time I hear or see Vick I point out to anyone I know that hes a piece of ####.
Any moreso than boxing, #### fighting, bull fighting, hunting or fishing? These are all morally relativistic decisions. Vick is to a large degree a piece of ####, but he also has a lot of good qualities too. In essence, he's human. I bet a lot more of us would melt under the scrutiny that these athletes get.
:thumbup: :lmao:yeah, nobody's a bad person -- we're all scumbag rapist dog killers if you can find one example.what are his good qualities -- he scored you fantasy points?I hope nobody begrudges ben for raping college girls then goes out fishing on the weekend ---- hypocrites!!!
 
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Heh, I picked up Vick and drafted Big Ben. only two qb's on the roster at the moment.

yes. The dog killing was 'mercy killing' done in the country (ie by whatever the closest means are). He ####### went to prison. How many felons, rapists, abusers etc are in the game and Mike Vick gets all the heat because people loves their pets (and I do to) but all yall need to remember that #### about glass houses.
How many rapists are in the game, im curious.Dog fighting has less to do with the outcome and more to do with the conditions, your taking an otherwise respectable animal and degrading it to the point of breaking down to its most basic instincts. Its such a disgusting crime. He deserves a 2nd chance in the NFL and hes actually on one of my teams but every time I hear or see Vick I point out to anyone I know that hes a piece of ####.
Isn't this exactly what boot camp is? Just my .02 that boot camp is made to break you down into a mindset that they can use on the battlefield.

This will be a touchy subject, but I agree with you. Luckily I'm stacked at QB and I don't even need to think about it. I'll let someone else pick him up.
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm glad I don't need a scumbag on my team, it would be hard to root for the guy.
lol you're telling me. I stopped liking Vick as a player way before he was caught. Now he's the starting Eagles QB...what a mix bag of emotions :thumbup: . I hate the idea and yet when he spins out of a sack and runs for the first down...GAH! Dam you Kolb why couldn't you be Rodgers out of the gate!
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Sure, he put up good stats against a Green Bay defense that gameplanned for Kolb and a horrible Detroit defense. Watch him choke against above-average or great Ds that are prepared for him as the starter. I can't wait for the Colts' Freeney and Mathas to get a hold of Vick like they did a few years ago when he was dragging down the Falcons.

LawFitz is right. It might take a while, but karma will not be kind to Vick or his FF owners this season.
I don't think Vick ever dragged the Falcons down, though I have serious doubts about his ability to every take them as far as they wanted to go. It will probably be like I remember, where on game he's #1 that week, and the next he's scoring -2 pts.
 
the way vick treated those animals is sub-human and i would never pick him up, even if i thought i would win a championship. i in no way want to root for that man.

 

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