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Anybody thinking of benching SD players? (1 Viewer)

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With the passing of Chris Henry, you know the Bengals are going to be on fire to win this game big time for their team mate. No doubt they will be high on emotion and as a Rivers/Gates owner, this scares me. I can't find a valid alternative for Gates but Rivers is definitely going to be riding the pine in favor of Jason Campbell (against a weak Giants secondary).

Anybody else thinking of doing the same?

 
I hesitate to use emotion as a justification for making a questionable play.

I liken it to the argument that a player is due for a big game just because it has been a significant time since their last big game.

They could also be quite distracted by such a tragedy. You never know.

 
If anything, I'm thinking this is a distraction and would consider sitting the Cin players before SD players.

 
I've thought of it, but the main factor is SD is at home this week. If they were in Cinci, it may be a different story. I've thought of sitting Rivers down for Romo, but they're at home, so I give him the nod over a loud NO crowd. They'll be fired up, but just think of the playmakers on SD.

 
There's always someone that believes that the death of a teammate will lead to a "Hank Gathers" type rallying cry. It rarely does in football.

 
thecardiackid said:
BustedKnuckles said:
i see a shootout brewin...works for meeeeee :excited:
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seriously.and if the OP isn't really just :fishing: for some AC love... why would one EVER bench a top 5ish QB in a game where he *might* be needed to play through the end of the game?
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im PRAYING cincy plays inspired...both teams are playing for something , if the game was in cincy i might be a little worried about SD laying an egg but since there in SD i cant help but think that levels the emotional playing field...i see a back n forth scoring fest with SD prevailing
 
I hope its a high scoring shootout with cincy rushing for 200 on the ground, the bolts passing for over 300 and phil tossing multiple tds as the bolts win a close one (benson, rivers and keading owner and bolt fan!). To think you should sit SD players is rediculous though.

 
I was already sitting Rivers for Schaub, but I see your point. Cincy is a top Defense anyway, I suppose they could get a slight boost from all this.

 
I thought of this impact too.

Started LT over Wells

Started Cincy D over Steelers

Started Kaeding over Carney (no brainer, by the way what happened to Carney? old age?)

I think Wells will have a great game, but we are TD heavy and LT is doing just fine in our league.

Swamp

 
ATC1 said:
If anything, I'm thinking this is a distraction and would consider sitting the Cin players before SD players.
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Agreed. Lots of distractions and missed practice time will result in SD laying the hammer on Cincy. This game is gonna be a blowout in SD's favor.
 
Since the bye, the Bengals have won one solid game (beating the Ravens by 10). After that they have squeaked out close wins to sub-par teams (Pit, Cle, and Det), beaten by one of the worst teams in the league (Oak), and clobbered by the Vikings. Even before the bye, there are only a handful of quality wins (GB by 7, Bal by 3, and a walloping of a poor Bears team).

Maybe it's me, but this team doesn't really look that much different all those other 8-8/7-9 team that Marvin has trotted out.

 
First, if anything, Cincy will come out with great emotion and I wouldnt bet against Ocho... however once that intial burst of extra motivation is gone, I think the emotional toll will be felt and Cincy will have a very tough time really focusing on the game at hand - on top of a week without regular practice, focus etc.

 
I remember earlier this year Cinn went into Balt. as a big road underdog and won the game outright after dedicating the game to their assistant coach just three days after his wife died suddenly, you could see it was very emotional for the whole team...Yes this game worries me playing against a team that has shown it will rise up for a team member in an emotional situation, they have already done it this year and could easily do it again.....I have LT and I'm worried about starting him this week because I can see him going for about 45 yards and no score on a fired up Bengals team.

It looks like most people in this thread don't have the same feeling about how fired up and emotional Cinn could be, which could easily affect the outcome of the game, we shall see.

 
Polar Dude said:
Since the bye, the Bengals have won one solid game (beating the Ravens by 10). After that they have squeaked out close wins to sub-par teams (Pit, Cle, and Det), beaten by one of the worst teams in the league (Oak), and clobbered by the Vikings. Even before the bye, there are only a handful of quality wins (GB by 7, Bal by 3, and a walloping of a poor Bears team).

Maybe it's me, but this team doesn't really look that much different all those other 8-8/7-9 team that Marvin has trotted out.
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Probably, but every year in the NFL, one of these teams wins a couple of close games, gets some breaks and manages 10 wins (maybe even a division title) even though they really are not any better than the other mediocore teams. As for the premise of the thread, even though emotion does matter in games, betting on emotion instead of talent is extremely flawed. Each player much less team reacts differently to these types of situations and there really is no way to predict if this is a positve or nageative. i say this with the understanding that the Bengals' seemed to rallied around Mike zimmer after his wife passed earlier this year.

 
Play your SD players. They're at home with a shot to secure a bye. They'll be just as fired up.

Besides, emotional players can be just, if not more, as prone to making mistakes as to be playing inspired. If they get down early will they have the character to fight their emotions? Not many examples of that on the Bengals in recent history.

 
I thought I saw on ESPN that Cinci hasn't won their division yet, that they have to win or have Baltimore lose. Is this true? How can you sweep a division and still need (assuming a loss with Bal win) the last two games to win the division? Even worse, how utterly embarassing would it be if they lose out and Bal wins out? An emotionally gutted team could fall apart like that,

 
Arch Stanton said:
Play your SD players. They're at home with a shot to secure a bye.
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The Chargers have no reason to play their starters the whole way in week 16 if they win this game, correct?As a Rivers/Gates owner, let me just say ... :doh:

EDIT: Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, San Diego will still need a win in W16 *UNLESS* Denver and N.E. both lose this week.

San Diego can clinch the AFC West Division with:

* a Denver loss -OR-

* a win or tie (vs. Cincinnati) and a Denver tie

San Diego can clinch a first-round bye with:

* a win and a Denver loss or tie and a New England loss or tie

 
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I have no idea what to make of this game and how the Bengals were peformed. Personally, I think from a fantasy perspective the safest thing to do is to actually assume it'll be like a normal game. I can see the Bengals scoring early, getting on a roll and never letting up. I can see the Chargers getting up early, the Bengals trying to force a thing or two, and it ending up like the Minnesota game. In the back of my mind, I ponder if Carson will end up with a big game with the receivers stepping up (it wouldn't entirely surprise me if their first play from scrimmage was to go deep ala Henry's catch on the first play of the playoff game in '05 against the Steelers) and that the passing game comes to life. But I just don't know. As for benching Chargers - I'd have a hard time doing that, although V Jax is a bit of a tough play given the way the corners have played for my Who Deys. I completely fear Gates having a big day underneath as we've been vulnerable in that regard IMO.

-QG

 
Raider Nation said:
Arch Stanton said:
Play your SD players. They're at home with a shot to secure a bye.
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The Chargers have no reason to play their starters the whole way in week 16 if they win this game, correct?As a Rivers/Gates owner, let me just say ... :shrug:

EDIT: Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, San Diego will still need a win in W16 *UNLESS* Denver and N.E. both lose this week.

San Diego can clinch the AFC West Division with:

* a Denver loss -OR-

* a win or tie (vs. Cincinnati) and a Denver tie

San Diego can clinch a first-round bye with:

* a win and a Denver loss or tie and a New England loss or tie
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well denver wont lose to our beloved raiders this week...bitter sweet i guess
 
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Has any Quarterback had big weeks versus the Bengals this year? If not, I think Rivers would be a good bench this week.

 
slawman said:
Has any Quarterback had big weeks versus the Bengals this year? If not, I think Rivers would be a good bench this week.
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One: Matt Schaub with 392 yards and 4 touchdowns.Gradkowski got 2 touchdowns.8 times a QB has gotten 1 touchdown.3 times a QB hasn't gotten any.Better than even I realized.-QG
 
Here is what I calculated. I'm sure you can find the same info on the main site.

Week Yards TD INT

1 243 1 0

2 261 1 0

3 276 1 1

4 268 1 1

5 186 1 2

6 392 4 1

7 251 1 3

8 BYE

9 195 0 2

10 174 0 1

11 174 2 1

12 100 0 0

13 192 1 2

14 192 1 1

Average 224 1.08 1.15

I realize that Rivers is better than most of the QB's, but can one expect 300 yards and 2 or 3 TD's this week?

 
The Bengals have given up only one 300-yard passing game.

They did give up 200+ passing yards in 6 of their first 7 games, but none since.

-QG

 
Arch Stanton said:
I thought I saw on ESPN that Cinci hasn't won their division yet, that they have to win or have Baltimore lose. Is this true? How can you sweep a division and still need (assuming a loss with Bal win) the last two games to win the division? Even worse, how utterly embarassing would it be if they lose out and Bal wins out? An emotionally gutted team could fall apart like that,
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Even if they lose and Baltimore wins this week... they still only need one win or one Balitmore loss in the next two weeks.
 
I am sorry for Chris Henry, and I think it was a tragedy.

But somehow, I don't think he said this:

"Some time, coach, when the team is up against it, when things are wrong and the breaks are beating the boys - tell them to go in there with all they've got and win just one for the Chris Henry. I don't know where I'll be then, coach. But I'll know about it, and I'll be happy."

 
slawman said:
Here is what I calculated. I'm sure you can find the same info on the main site.

Week Yards TD INT

1 243 1 0

2 261 1 0

3 276 1 1

4 268 1 1

5 186 1 2

6 392 4 1

7 251 1 3

8 BYE

9 195 0 2

10 174 0 1

11 174 2 1

12 100 0 0

13 192 1 2

14 192 1 1

Average 224 1.08 1.15

I realize that Rivers is better than most of the QB's, but can one expect 300 yards and 2 or 3 TD's this week?
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But really the Bengals only faced 5 games against strong QBs/passing games in that schedule. Rodgers had 261/1/0 and Schaub had 392/4/1... and Roethelisberger had 276/1/1 in the first game, which isn't bad.Favre had only 192/1/1, but (a) the Vikings had 3 scores inside the 10 that didn't involve Favre (2 Peterson runs and a short FG), so he could easily have had more TDs; (b) the Vikings built a comfortable lead and Favre only threw the ball 9 times in the second half; and (c.) Harvin didn't play. So IMO he could have easily had a bigger game, the Vikings just didn't need it to cruise to an easy win.

Roethlisberger had 174/0/1 in the second game, which was a poor performance, especially at home.

So IMO they really only had a strong defensive game 1 time in 5 opportunities against strong QBs/passing games. By the numbers, they have the 12th best passing defense in the league, and they'll be facing the 5th best passing offense. The only other top 10 passing offenses they have faced are Houston (currently #4) and Green Bay (#9)... and those were the Bengals' worst games in terms of passing defense.

And this time it will be after an emotionally draining week and a long trip. I'm not seeing any big threat to the Chargers passing game here.

 
Just Win Baby said:
slawman said:
Here is what I calculated. I'm sure you can find the same info on the main site.

Week Yards TD INT

1 243 1 0

2 261 1 0

3 276 1 1

4 268 1 1

5 186 1 2

6 392 4 1

7 251 1 3

8 BYE

9 195 0 2

10 174 0 1

11 174 2 1

12 100 0 0

13 192 1 2

14 192 1 1

Average 224 1.08 1.15

I realize that Rivers is better than most of the QB's, but can one expect 300 yards and 2 or 3 TD's this week?
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But really the Bengals only faced 5 games against strong QBs/passing games in that schedule. Rodgers had 261/1/0 and Schaub had 392/4/1... and Roethelisberger had 276/1/1 in the first game, which isn't bad.
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Also note that Rodgers had about 50 yards rushing in that game, and Roethlisberger had a short rush TD. Fantasy-wise they were both 20+ point games.
 
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