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Anyone benching Turner against Philly D? (1 Viewer)

Gigantomachia

Gigantomachia

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So who is benching Turner this week against Philly?

If you are benching him, who you are replacing him with and explain your reasoning.

If you are not benching him, why do you think he will do good on the road against Philly? Hasn't Turner set a pretty clear pattern?

2008 Game by Game Statistics

1 DET 22 220 10.0 2 1 6 0 0

2 TB 14 42 3.0 0 1 6 0 0

3 KC 23 104 4.5 3 0 0 0 0

4 CAR 18 56 3.1 0 1 -1 0 0

5 GB 26 121 4.7 1 0 0 0 0

6 CHI 25 54 2.2 0 0 0 0 0

Though I guess one could argue for the every other game theory, since that is a pattern as well. Weird.

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lol I just laugh at the sub-heading of this thread... good versus bad teams, bad versus good teams...

That's anyone in the league.

However, I would bench him if I had other options. But I wouldn't bench him for someone who belongs on my bench

 
i'm going with cj3 and westy tomorrow. turner is only acvtive for me at home and when playing in a dome.

 
as of now, i'm benching Turner in favor of Chris Johnson and Steve Slaton, though i can start all 3 RBs (PPR). RIght now, i have Antonio Bryant and Josh Morgan in, and will field a 2RB-4WR lineup this week.

 
What am i missing? I'm an Eagles fan and saw Gore go for 100 before they stopped running it and Portis go for 145.

I think the Eagles smoke the Falcons and own both sides of the trenches. But I'm not sure I bench Turner because of the Eagles run D at this point.

 
hauser42 said:
My plan was to bench him for S. Morris, but with his injury that plan has been put shot.
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Amen brother. I also intended to replace him with Cedric (I can't believe I'm saying this) Benson, but it turns out that someone had already picked him up.
 
Slider said:
What am i missing? I'm an Eagles fan and saw Gore go for 100 before they stopped running it and Portis go for 145. I think the Eagles smoke the Falcons and own both sides of the trenches. But I'm not sure I bench Turner because of the Eagles run D at this point.
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I was kinda thinking along those lines as well, but I guess I still worry about the Falcons "bringing it" on the road in a tough atmosphere. As a Philly phan, what do you think about their pass D? Could we see a shoot out in Philly this Sunday? You would think a shoot out would assure at least a TD or two even if the yardage was low.I guess a lot of my question has to do with the fact I can't figure out who the hell Philly is this year.
 
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Been thinking much about my flex spot and whether to start Turner or E. Graham (starting RBs are Barber and C. Johnson). I think I have to stick with Turner given he's the workhorse, should get at least 1 TD, and Philly's run def has been trending down over the past few weeks.

Even more importantly, Turner is one of those guys that can win you your week by exploding for major yards and multiple TDs. I dont put much weight on the fact that his best games have come 'every other week' and only against bad defenses. One slip-up by a blitz happy eagles defense, could mean a 50 yard TD run.

His floor should still make for an average day and not kill you in a non-PPR league - 60ish yards or so.

Bottom line, I think you get a ton of upside with Turner, and an acceptable downside scenario.

 
OneEastRiver said:
Been thinking much about my flex spot and whether to start Turner or E. Graham (starting RBs are Barber and C. Johnson). I think I have to stick with Turner given he's the workhorse, should get at least 1 TD, and Philly's run def has been trending down over the past few weeks.

Even more importantly, Turner is one of those guys that can win you your week by exploding for major yards and multiple TDs. I dont put much weight on the fact that his best games have come 'every other week' and only against bad defenses. One slip-up by a blitz happy eagles defense, could mean a 50 yard TD run.

His floor should still make for an average day and not kill you in a non-PPR league - 60ish yards or so.

Bottom line, I think you get a ton of upside with Turner, and an acceptable downside scenario.
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Just to clarify, I think the issue here is that the Falcons OL run blocks well versus bad front sevens and can be stymied in run blocking versus good run defenses.

TB, Car, and Chi have great run Ds. The Eagles have a great set of LBs and DLs. This is a good week to consider sitting Turner.

Edit - to address the post above this one - one of the reasons Turner doesn't get big runs versus good Ds is that there is a fourth defender in the secondary to prevent long TDs. If the Eagles keep 4 back, Turner won't get long run plays versus that D - the Eagles' defensive backfield is one of the best in the league.

 
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Gigantomachia said:
Slider said:
What am i missing? I'm an Eagles fan and saw Gore go for 100 before they stopped running it and Portis go for 145. I think the Eagles smoke the Falcons and own both sides of the trenches. But I'm not sure I bench Turner because of the Eagles run D at this point.
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I was kinda thinking along those lines as well, but I guess I still worry about the Falcons "bringing it" on the road in a tough atmosphere. As a Philly phan, what do you think about their pass D? Could we see a shoot out in Philly this Sunday? You would think a shoot out would assure at least a TD or two even if the yardage was low.I guess a lot of my question has to do with the fact I can't figure out who the hell Philly is this year.
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Reid is 9-0 and pretty dominant the week after the bye. I don't bet much but this may be one the Falcons get demolished. But yeah, they look top 5 one week and top 25 the other.
 
Sitting Turner for Westbrook and McGahee this week.

IMHO, so far Turner has produced as a top 5 rb against the weaker run defenses and outside top 20 against the more stout ones so far.

However, once he breaks out against a top run defense, he's an every week play.

That being said, I am only thinking about sitting him two weeks the rest of the year anyways - Tampa Bay in Atlanta and Minn away in their dome. In the hopefully likely event that he has shredded four of the five defenses going into that TB game at home - he's going to have a permanent place starting for me every week!!

 
The defenses have been stuffing 8-9 people in the box saying Matt Ryan to beat them. Turner ran all over Detroit, KC, and Green Bay... but was stuffed by Tampa, Carolina, and Chicago. Matt Ryan struggled against Tampa and Carolina but was very good against Chicago. I think Jim Johnson is going to bring those exotic blitzes at Ryan, and Turner can break a long one at the right opportunity. I hope this is his breakout game against a good D. In the league I have Turner, I also have Ryan Grant (Bye Week) and Reggie Bush (Injury) so I'm stuck with him.

 
Im considering starting Green-Ellis or Mewelde Moore rather than Turner.

He has not earned "don't bench your studs" status. He has some great games agaisnt the weaker defenses...but about 5 points against the good ones.

 
sholditch said:
Benching him for Stewart in one league. Might actually bench him for Fargas in another.
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Good post and gutsy.IMHO benching him for CJ3, Westy and the like are no brainers. Like to hear from the guys benching him for D. Williams, Ocho Cinco and other players that have had lesser seasons hoping/expecting better production.good thread thought.
 
Eagles have allowed an average of 137 yards (total) rushing last 3 games

Some individuals-Gore had 101 and a TD, Portis 145 and a TD, Forte only 43.

They're not as strong against the run as when they openned the season.

 
With LJ suspended and ADP on bye I have no choice but to start Turner. I'm hoping the every other game pattern holds.

 
lyon812 said:
Gigantomachia said:
Warriors Forever said:
lol I just laugh at the sub-heading of this thread... good versus bad teams, bad versus good teams... That's anyone in the league.
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Maybe, but the rule is you never bench your studs based on match ups.
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A better rule is "have multiple studs, so that you can bench them based on match ups."
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I have AP, Turner, Slaton, and Green-Ellis (just picked up)Not too shabby if I do say so myself.Edited to add: Thinking of going Slaton and Green-Ellis, but more than likely will go Turner and Slaton. :unsure:
 
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Gigantomachia said:
Hey Cross, our posts are touching one another.How does that make you feel? :unsure:
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The reason you start Turner over a Benson, McGhee, etc is becuase of the big play threat. If Turner gets past the 1st line of defenders and the Eagles are blitzing...he's probably taking it to the house for a 40+ yard TD. He can also do this by getting around the corner or shaking off a tackle from a CB/Safety, etc.At worst he'll probably get 50-60 yards and maybe a TD. At best he could go for 150+ and multiple TDs.Benson and McGhee can have far worse "worsts" and are never gonna go off like Turner can.If you have a solid producing RB who has shown he can torch a good matchup...then u obv start him over Turner...but without that you got to start the guy who can single handely win your game for you.
 
Gigantomachia said:
faulkfan said:
hauser42 said:
My plan was to bench him for S. Morris, but with his injury that plan has been put shot.
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Amen brother. I also intended to replace him with Cedric (I can't believe I'm saying this) Benson, but it turns out that someone had already picked him up.
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Would you bench him for Green-Ellis?
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IMO Faulk will come close to a split job with Green-Ellis this week. Green-Ellis seems to be the flavor of the week, he got his carries in game that was pretty much out of control. Not sure Bill gives him the ball time after time in a close game.
 
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?

Blasphemy I say! :lmao:

 
GECKO said:
sholditch said:
Benching him for Stewart in one league. Might actually bench him for Fargas in another.
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Good post and gutsy.IMHO benching him for CJ3, Westy and the like are no brainers. Like to hear from the guys benching him for D. Williams, Ocho Cinco and other players that have had lesser seasons hoping/expecting better production.good thread thought.
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I am benching him for Mewelde Moore in one league- I kinda' see it like this: For Turner to get double digit points he'd have to score a TD (50-60 yds + TD). For Moore to score double digit points he doesn't have to score- even against a fairly stout Giants D. He can catch and run his way to 100 combined yards. In another league I am starting Turner over either Colston or V. Jackson as my flex. I'd be interested to hear what others think. :goodposting:
 
sentr said:
GECKO said:
sholditch said:
Benching him for Stewart in one league. Might actually bench him for Fargas in another.
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Good post and gutsy.IMHO benching him for CJ3, Westy and the like are no brainers. Like to hear from the guys benching him for D. Williams, Ocho Cinco and other players that have had lesser seasons hoping/expecting better production.good thread thought.
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I am benching him for Mewelde Moore in one league- I kinda' see it like this: For Turner to get double digit points he'd have to score a TD (50-60 yds + TD). For Moore to score double digit points he doesn't have to score- even against a fairly stout Giants D. He can catch and run his way to 100 combined yards. In another league I am starting Turner over either Colston or V. Jackson as my flex. I'd be interested to hear what others think. :hophead:
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Also considering him for Moore now.Deangelo...I think people really need to look at his game by game numbers and realize how nearly useless he is...even with the good matchup.
 
I've got a ton of options (Mewelde Moore, Benson, Rhodes to name a few) and I'm tempted but I just think you can't bench Michael Turner.

 
Right now I have Lynch & Graham starting. I have Turner, Rhodes, R.Bush on the bench. I have Graham starting Only because, Did you see the Cowboys run defense last week? and Dunn is Questionable. I am having second thoughts though. Might put Turner in, don't know. Any thoughts out there?

 
sdsjr3 said:
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?Blasphemy I say! :rolleyes:
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It seems crazy, but the Pats aren't going to go passing personnel on every play with Cassell at QB. Faulk has proven he can't handle the load. At the least, BGE is going to have 50% of the carries. If the game gets out of control in favor of the Pats, he'll likely get much more in order for the staff to evaluate him. I think the guy could be what they thought they had in Maroney. He's a bull dozer with pretty good vision. Similar to Ryan Grant in a lot of ways. The upside is there with BGE as well.
 
Considering benching him for Deuce in one league and for D-Will in another. Like many others, I am still not greatly comfortable with Deuce's situation and how much he will be used without Reggie. Given the rain though, perhaps he is the play of the day. With D-will, who knows?

I have not pulled that trigger yet on either of them though.

Those who say Westy, Portis, CJ3 etc....duh.

 
Gigantomachia said:
faulkfan said:
hauser42 said:
My plan was to bench him for S. Morris, but with his injury that plan has been put shot.
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Amen brother. I also intended to replace him with Cedric (I can't believe I'm saying this) Benson, but it turns out that someone had already picked him up.
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Would you bench him for Green-Ellis?
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As I have both the WORTHLESS Maroney and the injured Morris I have picked up Green-Ellis, but figure Turner is a surefire touch guy so I have to start him.
 
loose circuits said:
sdsjr3 said:
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?

Blasphemy I say! :thumbup:
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It seems crazy, but the Pats aren't going to go passing personnel on every play with Cassell at QB. Faulk has proven he can't handle the load. At the least, BGE is going to have 50% of the carries. If the game gets out of control in favor of the Pats, he'll likely get much more in order for the staff to evaluate him. I think the guy could be what they thought they had in Maroney. He's a bull dozer with pretty good vision. Similar to Ryan Grant in a lot of ways. The upside is there with BGE as well.
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Simply not accurate. Faulk could get 75% of the touches, and to claim otherwise is not based on anything other than a hunch.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
loose circuits said:
sdsjr3 said:
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?

Blasphemy I say! :lmao:
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It seems crazy, but the Pats aren't going to go passing personnel on every play with Cassell at QB. Faulk has proven he can't handle the load. At the least, BGE is going to have 50% of the carries. If the game gets out of control in favor of the Pats, he'll likely get much more in order for the staff to evaluate him. I think the guy could be what they thought they had in Maroney. He's a bull dozer with pretty good vision. Similar to Ryan Grant in a lot of ways. The upside is there with BGE as well.
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Simply not accurate. Faulk could get 75% of the touches, and to claim otherwise is not based on anything other than a hunch.
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He could...yes...but I don't think its likely...again, the guy has not had more than 13 carries in a game since 2003.
 
sho nuff said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
loose circuits said:
sdsjr3 said:
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?

Blasphemy I say! :boxing:
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It seems crazy, but the Pats aren't going to go passing personnel on every play with Cassell at QB. Faulk has proven he can't handle the load. At the least, BGE is going to have 50% of the carries. If the game gets out of control in favor of the Pats, he'll likely get much more in order for the staff to evaluate him. I think the guy could be what they thought they had in Maroney. He's a bull dozer with pretty good vision. Similar to Ryan Grant in a lot of ways. The upside is there with BGE as well.
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Simply not accurate. Faulk could get 75% of the touches, and to claim otherwise is not based on anything other than a hunch.
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He could...yes...but I don't think its likely...again, the guy has not had more than 13 carries in a game since 2003.
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And that could very well be how many times NE runs the ball. If the passing game is working, they'll just keep throwing. Simple as that. Again, BJGE isn't guaranteed a thing, to gamble on him when you've got options that you KNOW are going to get carries (and a lot of them) is simply foolish.
 
sdsjr3 said:
sho nuff said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
loose circuits said:
sdsjr3 said:
This thread is hilarious. Who in their right mind would bench Turner (guarenteed 80% of carries minimum) for Green-Ellis (guarenteed NOTHING)?

Blasphemy I say! :boxing:
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It seems crazy, but the Pats aren't going to go passing personnel on every play with Cassell at QB. Faulk has proven he can't handle the load. At the least, BGE is going to have 50% of the carries. If the game gets out of control in favor of the Pats, he'll likely get much more in order for the staff to evaluate him. I think the guy could be what they thought they had in Maroney. He's a bull dozer with pretty good vision. Similar to Ryan Grant in a lot of ways. The upside is there with BGE as well.
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Simply not accurate. Faulk could get 75% of the touches, and to claim otherwise is not based on anything other than a hunch.
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He could...yes...but I don't think its likely...again, the guy has not had more than 13 carries in a game since 2003.
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And that could very well be how many times NE runs the ball. If the passing game is working, they'll just keep throwing. Simple as that. Again, BJGE isn't guaranteed a thing, to gamble on him when you've got options that you KNOW are going to get carries (and a lot of them) is simply foolish.
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I don't see NE just throwing against a team that gives that much up on the ground. And I don't see it as foolish. Its a risk for sure...and some are more risk averse than others.

Personally, I am leaving Turner in and hoping he can break through the blitz.

Im taking a few other risks this week so not going to go for another.

 
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