Anyone catch McNabb blowing off Vick last night? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

I haven't seen this yet myself, but apparently McNabb waved off Vick on the sideline when Vick came to talk to him. When Vick started to follow him, McNabb continued to ignore him and walk away. And apparently McNabb asked Reid not to put Vick back in for "rhythm" purposes.Anyone see this? Is there talk about this in the Philly area?ETA:

Philadelphia Inquirer:McNabb unhappy?Is Donovan McNabb already at odds with the Wildcat and Michael Vick's role on the team? Before you start accusing me of being a rabble-rouser, take this response from the Eagles quarterback when he was asked if he thought the WildVick disrupted the rhythm and whether the offense needed to get back to basics during the first half of tonight's game with the Jaguars:"Absolutely, Absolutely,” McNabb said. “I did. In that situation, it’s needed. I know what we were trying to do [with Vick] and we were able to get that done. And I thought it was time for us to kind of get our offense going. After the first play when I tried to go deep to DeSean [Jackson] and threw it out of bounds a little, we started to get positive plays. We got the drive going and I think that’s very important in a game, whether it’s in the regular season or the preseason, to get that rhythm going. If you’re going to show different looks make sure it’s the right time. That’s the what the preseason’s for to make sure you know when that time is, and we’ll get that time together. I thought it was important at that time to get out and run our offense.”McNabb was then asked if he motioned to offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and the Eagles' coaches to stop running the plays with Vick (all told, Vick was inserted six times). Donovan, naturally, dodged the question with a joke."Yeah, I sat all of them down and I told them, ‘That’s it,’” McNabb said.Reid was asked if he saw McNabb gesture. "That had nothing to do with Michael," Reid said. "You can ask McNabb. He was fine with it."Reid didn't think the Vick plays were much of a problem.“If you're going to use that a little bit, then you have to work it in there," Reid said. "That's what we're going to do as we go down the road here. I expect the guys to make that part of the rhythm and make it work. I don’t see that as what happened there.”

 

[bigmarc27]

I did see that McNabb said switching QBs that early in the game was bad for the rhythm... didn't notice the cold shoulder, though.

 

[Bankerguy]

If true, as a Cowboy fan I love it.

 

[unckeyherb]

I haven't seen this yet myself, but apparently McNabb waved off Vick on the sideline when Vick came to talk to him. When Vick started to follow him, McNabb continued to ignore him and walk away. And apparently McNabb asked Reid not to put Vick back in for "rhythm" purposes.Anyone see this? Is there talk about this in the Philly area?

I was at the game, and at one point during a commercial break they had the offense up on the jumbotron. Vick was trotting out for the next play and McNabb rolled his eyes and did his stupid grin thing. Most likely was not at Vick, but he did look frustrated about how they were pulling and putting in Vick every few plays. I think it was more a case of not getting any rhythm going, like you said.

 

[CentralPA]

I saw absoluetly nothing like that. If anything I saw them talking and laughing most of the time.

 

[PatrickT]

This really sounds like pot stirring to me. (not by the OP, just by whoever started the rumor).

 

[JPeso]

Did anyone see SC this morning? It was blatant on the sideline. Vick was walking at McNabb, who shooed him off and walked away. Vick continued to walk toward him, talking at him, McNabb continued to walk the other way.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what would you expect?

 

[Philo]

I wonder about the interaction between these two. IIRC, when Vick was in high school, he was pretty heavily recruited to be the heir apparent for McNabb and the Syracuse Orange. He came up to campus a few times to meet with McNabb and get shown around the campus, only to switch at the last minute to V Tech. Point is, they've known each other for about a decade. First time they're on the same sideline.

 

[gianmarco]

ESPN SC highlight videos

Go to the 2nd page and watch the Herm Edwards interview. Sal makes clear mention that Donovan was frustrated. I'm waiting to watch the segment on SportsCenter but I'm surprised there's been no mention of this yet.

 

[Football Jones]

I noticed it. Nobody can tell me it was play-acting. LOL. And McNabb clearly wanted to get his point across in the press conference afterwards.

You can tell McNabb isn't on board with this thing. I don't care what he supposedly did or didn't do as far as wanting Vick to come to Philly. The reality is he's upset. Personally, I believe McNabb is vastly overrated at this point in his career & I actually expect a QB controversy to develop this season (maybe early on).

 

[Gopher State]

You can see this is a time bomb just waiting to go off in Philly. Vick vs McNabb round one no decision, more to come

so much for all the superbowl talk

 

[lod01]

at anyone that thought this was going to work in the 1st place.

 

[EZD222]

Its got to be frustating for for McNabb. The teams' fans constantly bash you year after year while calling and chanting for other QBs.

You know the minute he falters, the "We want Vick" chants we heard last night are going to resonate at the Linc.

But he did ask for this...

 

[JPeso]

Philadelphia Inquirer:

McNabb unhappy?

Is Donovan McNabb already at odds with the Wildcat and Michael Vick's role on the team? Before you start accusing me of being a rabble-rouser, take this response from the Eagles quarterback when he was asked if he thought the WildVick disrupted the rhythm and whether the offense needed to get back to basics during the first half of tonight's game with the Jaguars:

"Absolutely, Absolutely,” McNabb said. “I did. In that situation, it’s needed. I know what we were trying to do [with Vick] and we were able to get that done. And I thought it was time for us to kind of get our offense going. After the first play when I tried to go deep to DeSean [Jackson] and threw it out of bounds a little, we started to get positive plays. We got the drive going and I think that’s very important in a game, whether it’s in the regular season or the preseason, to get that rhythm going. If you’re going to show different looks make sure it’s the right time. That’s the what the preseason’s for to make sure you know when that time is, and we’ll get that time together. I thought it was important at that time to get out and run our offense.”

McNabb was then asked if he motioned to offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and the Eagles' coaches to stop running the plays with Vick (all told, Vick was inserted six times). Donovan, naturally, dodged the question with a joke.

"Yeah, I sat all of them down and I told them, ‘That’s it,’” McNabb said.

Reid was asked if he saw McNabb gesture. "That had nothing to do with Michael," Reid said. "You can ask McNabb. He was fine with it."

Reid didn't think the Vick plays were much of a problem.

“If you're going to use that a little bit, then you have to work it in there," Reid said. "That's what we're going to do as we go down the road here. I expect the guys to make that part of the rhythm and make it work. I don’t see that as what happened there.”

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Philadelphia Inquirer:McNabb unhappy?Is Donovan McNabb already at odds with the Wildcat and Michael Vick's role on the team? Before you start accusing me of being a rabble-rouser, take this response from the Eagles quarterback when he was asked if he thought the WildVick disrupted the rhythm and whether the offense needed to get back to basics during the first half of tonight's game with the Jaguars:"Absolutely, Absolutely,” McNabb said. “I did. In that situation, it’s needed. I know what we were trying to do [with Vick] and we were able to get that done. And I thought it was time for us to kind of get our offense going. After the first play when I tried to go deep to DeSean [Jackson] and threw it out of bounds a little, we started to get positive plays. We got the drive going and I think that’s very important in a game, whether it’s in the regular season or the preseason, to get that rhythm going. If you’re going to show different looks make sure it’s the right time. That’s the what the preseason’s for to make sure you know when that time is, and we’ll get that time together. I thought it was important at that time to get out and run our offense.”McNabb was then asked if he motioned to offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and the Eagles' coaches to stop running the plays with Vick (all told, Vick was inserted six times). Donovan, naturally, dodged the question with a joke."Yeah, I sat all of them down and I told them, ‘That’s it,’” McNabb said.Reid was asked if he saw McNabb gesture. "That had nothing to do with Michael," Reid said. "You can ask McNabb. He was fine with it."Reid didn't think the Vick plays were much of a problem.“If you're going to use that a little bit, then you have to work it in there," Reid said. "That's what we're going to do as we go down the road here. I expect the guys to make that part of the rhythm and make it work. I don’t see that as what happened there.”

Sal P. spoke about this a lot on ESPN radio this morning. His take is that McNabb is concerned about the continuity of the offense and that at this point it can't get disrupted. The Eagles were very proficient last year on offense and McNabb has worked closely with Reid for 10 years. It was the 3rd preseason game which is an important tune-up game for teams and McNabb wanted to see the team get as prepared as they can for the opener.

 

[ScottyFargo]

How long till Schefter reports a "schism"?

 

[Crusaderfan]

I'm not a McNabb supporter at all but the way they used Vick last night had to be annoying. I'm not sure why they even got involved in this but I can't see it ending well. Vick (I can't believe I'm saying this) is too good to be a gimmick player. I never liked him as a QB but he could probably start right now on probably 40% of NFL teams. Having him run around out there, splitting McNabb outside as a WR, etc.. looks really hokey to me.

 

[Grahamburn]

QB controversey? McNabb had pretty good numbers from what I can tell.

Is everyone forgetting how poor of a passing QB Vick was in Atlanta? The Eagles offense is based on timing, rhythm, short routes, and accuracy.

I can't imagine Vick became proficient in these areas in prison.

 

[zadok]

I hate Philadelphia media. The only thing I saw sitting there in the Linc was McNabb walking off a hard hit that looked serious for a moment or two. Not that I watched the sideline intently, but this is all stirring the pot BS.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I gotta admit, I was a little more than annoyed with the constant in-and-out of QB's last night. I can't fathom what Ried was thinking there. McNabb has a right to be annoyed also, because it seems from his perspective, the offensive continuity was not there at all.

Reid better figure it out soon or this will avalanche into a bigger problem.

As far as McNabb blowing off Vick, I missed it as my eyes were not glued to the TV for every play or camera angle.

 

[JPeso]

QB controversey? McNabb had pretty good numbers from what I can tell.

I think you are missing the point.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

you need to change the wording of this thread

 

[JPeso]

I hate Philadelphia media. The only thing I saw sitting there in the Linc was McNabb walking off a hard hit that looked serious for a moment or two. Not that I watched the sideline intently, but this is all stirring the pot BS.

I'm not Philadelphia media and I'll gladly stir that pot (I'm a Redskins fan, but no, I do not hate the Eagles). You should probably watch some video before coming to a conclusion.

 

[wadegarrett]

I see even better value in McNabb now.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I hate Philadelphia media. The only thing I saw sitting there in the Linc was McNabb walking off a hard hit that looked serious for a moment or two. Not that I watched the sideline intently, but this is all stirring the pot BS.

Just because thats the only thing you saw does not mean thats the only thing that happened. I agree with others that Reid should have not used the 2 qbs in that way last night. That was the most important preseason game and the offense really needed to develop a rhythm. I don't blame McNabb one bit for being annoyed with all of it.

 

[Johnny Ice]

McNabb is such a baby. He sits in his press conferences trying to tell everyone he led the charge of Vick coming to Philly and now he blatantly bucks on the Vick package the first preseason game. Seriously? It was only 6 plays for crying out loud. All that stuff T.O. said about him was right on the money but of course T.O. is the one that's a villain. McNabb is already getting jealous that Vick may be taking his shine. This is not going to be good at all especially if Vick happens to see some success.

 

[dgreen]

what would you expect?

It seems McNabb has a problem with so many things in his career. But, to his credit, while he tends to get upset easily, he also tends to play well afterwards. There's going to be a time in the regular season when Vick gets a ton of snaps and McNabb expresses his displeasure. Then, the next game, he'll throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs.

 

[Michael Brown]

I see even better value in McNabb now.

Not to single you out, but I don't get this line of thinking. A lot of people love hearing more and more bad news about "their" guy because it pushes his draft value further and further down to the point that you can get him for less than original value. But it's also entirely possible that bad news is really just bad news. Seems simple enough, but so many people just love when a guy's perceived value gets bludgeoned. All I'm saying is to be careful because there might be a reason why his value plummets.

 

[JetMaxx]

I hate Philadelphia media. The only thing I saw sitting there in the Linc was McNabb walking off a hard hit that looked serious for a moment or two. Not that I watched the sideline intently, but this is all stirring the pot BS.

You should probably watch some video before coming to a conclusion.

McNabb CLEARLY walked away from Vick and toward Morningwehg(sp?) rolling his eyes and using the hand to the throat thing gesturing that they needed to stop the QB change. You can even see McNabb mouth the words "Come on Marty" as he did it. He was frustrated. It's interesting and telling that from the moment he did it Vick was not seen again. McNabb was calling the shots last night as it pertained to Vick's participation.

 

[RBM]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon.

Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

McNabb is such a baby. He sits in his press conferences trying to tell everyone he led the charge of Vick coming to Philly and now he blatantly bucks on the Vick package the first preseason game. Seriously? It was only 6 plays for crying out loud. All that stuff T.O. said about him was right on the money but of course T.O. is the one that's a villain. McNabb is already getting jealous that Vick may be taking his shine. This is not going to be good at all especially if Vick happens to see some success.

I think this was a case of McNabb wanting to see the Eagles offense get the offensive rhythm going. It was crucial work time for the Eagles offense and using Vick at that point was disrupting that. McNabb was looking out for the Eagles offense, an offense that was one of the best last year.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon.

 

[Fantaholic]

This seems like a job for Phil Jackson. Reid should strongly consider contacting the Lakers.

 

[pollardsvision]

I only caught bits and pieces of the game, but I did feel like the Vick plays were very bad for the rhythm of the offense. Given the circumstances, that makes sense. It's a pre-season game with already limited plays for starters and it's important for Reid to get Vick in the line of fire early and often to help get him up to speed.

I assume, during the season, Reid will find ways to utilize Vick without interrupting the rhythm as much.

I don't know about the on-field behavior, but McNabb's post-game comments shouldn't be especially alarming.

 

[JPeso]

I hate Philadelphia media. The only thing I saw sitting there in the Linc was McNabb walking off a hard hit that looked serious for a moment or two. Not that I watched the sideline intently, but this is all stirring the pot BS.

You should probably watch some video before coming to a conclusion.

McNabb CLEARLY walked away from Vick and toward Morningwehg(sp?) rolling his eyes and using the hand to the throat thing gesturing that they needed to stop the QB change. You can even see McNabb mouth the words "Come on Marty" as he did it. He was frustrated. It's interesting and telling that from the moment he did it Vick was not seen again. McNabb was calling the shots last night as it pertained to Vick's participation.

Yep. 6 plays, throat slash, no more Vick. I'm not insinuating a controversy here, as McNabb gives them the best chance to win, but Philly fans are quick to throw McNafro under the bus. I was at a local bar when McNabb was playing awful, the fans were calling for him to be pulled. Well, Kolb got thrown in to the wolves and those same fans were screaming at the monitors like the coaching staff was crazy. I guess the real question/concern here is that if McNabb starts to struggle, which he has in the past at points in his career, how much pressure will the coaching staff have in replacing him? It obviously won't be McNabb's call as it was last night. I have a hard time believing he has so much more pull over this thing than he did just last season. Oh, and I like McNabb, but he is a baby and will blow anything out of proportion. If it's the regular season and he comes out for a series, damn well believe you will hear about it from Sal Pal or himself on SC the next day.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

 

[JPeso]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

And it's scary as a Redskins fan knowing that you can leave Vick out there for entire series to run the Wildcat as well as traditional plays. I sunk my head in my hands when he signed with Philly.

 

[RBM]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

Wrong, it IS a gimmick and it wasnt working from like week 10 on last year, and I cant believe we are still hearing about this nonsense. Hopefully it will be over with by midseason.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

It's early, and I get what people are saying about McNabb's frustration with continuity. But didn't that game display EXACTLY what Vick was brought in to do? What did everyone expect? Maybe they didn't have to do it so often in Vick's first game, but is McNabb going to worry about continuity in week seven if they bring Vick in for change of pace/"trick" play?

McNabb does strike me as a diva sometimes.

 

[JPeso]

McNabb does strike me as a diva sometimes.

 

[Two Deep]

The Vick experiment is going to blow up in Andy Reids face. I can't wait for the regular season when McNabb is working the offense down the field only to have Vick enter the game and #### things up.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

Wrong, it IS a gimmick and it wasnt working from like week 10 on last year, and I cant believe we are still hearing about this nonsense. Hopefully it will be over with by midseason.

Ok, it doesn't work yet you have several teams around the league implementing it and acquiring players to utilize it. Good one.

 

[Tong Po]

To me it seemed the plays Michael Vick was involved in were somewhat forced. Almost like they just wanted to roll him out there to get his feet wet... get him some LIVE football action. He HAS been out of the game for quite a while. There was nothing really creative about the way they used him in any of those plays. I gotta believe Philly doesn't want to show defensive coordinators how they REALLY plan to use Vick, particularly in the red zone. And why would they? It is the preseason after all. I seriously doubt once the regular season starts that Andy Reid will be rotating Vick in and out of the offense like he did in those first couple series. I expect Vick will be used in the red zone and on special gadget plays. If McNabb has a problem with that.... then he'll be the one ripped for being a big baby.

 

[sho nuff]

McNabb is such a baby. He sits in his press conferences trying to tell everyone he led the charge of Vick coming to Philly and now he blatantly bucks on the Vick package the first preseason game. Seriously? It was only 6 plays for crying out loud. All that stuff T.O. said about him was right on the money but of course T.O. is the one that's a villain. McNabb is already getting jealous that Vick may be taking his shine. This is not going to be good at all especially if Vick happens to see some success.

Umm...not much to say here but

 

[sho nuff]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon.

And you and I actually agree on something.

 

[trader jake]

Anyone who is genuinely surprised by McNabb's act last night hasn't been paying attention for the last decade. Those of you claiming it's all media speculation or that there's nothing there can't be serious. Reid made the mistake when he brought in Vick and now he'll have to massage McNabb's ego all season long. BTW - The 'We want Vick' chant was just some more gas on the McNabb/Vick fire.

 

[RBM]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

Wrong, it IS a gimmick and it wasnt working from like week 10 on last year, and I cant believe we are still hearing about this nonsense. Hopefully it will be over with by midseason.

Ok, it doesn't work yet you have several teams around the league implementing it and acquiring players to utilize it. Good one.

It barely worked last year once Ds caught on to it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

McNabb's a baby.

Reid has 8 quarters to see what he has in a player who just got out of prison. He's trying to get as much information as he can. Let's wait until an actual game where Reid is putting them in and out like that before we criticize/cry to the media.

 

[Two Deep]

Good for McNabb, he is 100% correct. This is the key 3rd preseason game and they are trying these stupid gimmick plays, c'mon. Im actually shocked that Andy Reid is doing this. One of the best coaches in football over the past 10 yrs, really coming off bad with this stupid Vick experiment.

The wildcat is not a gimmick, it's a legit package that gives the defense fits especially with the best running QB to ever play at the helm. Andy Reid knows the possibilities.

Wrong, it IS a gimmick and it wasnt working from like week 10 on last year, and I cant believe we are still hearing about this nonsense. Hopefully it will be over with by midseason.

Ok, it doesn't work yet you have several teams around the league implementing it and acquiring players to utilize it. Good one.

I agree with RBM this Wildcat experiment is going to fail miserably this year. It was already showing signs of failure toward the end of last year.