Anyone Hearing From Fantasy Jungle Contest? (1 Viewer)

[aerolaw]

I was wondering if anybody here has heard from Scott or Mike from Fantasy Jungle. To my knowledge, as of March 1, football winners had not been paid, theier message board is "down for maintenance", and they do not respond to emails. Before the message board went down, there were some unconvincing excuses being given for non payment, with the obligatory "winners will be paid soon". If i remember correctly, same symptoms as AFFL last year. FJ also ran post season NFL and college bowl contests, (likely knowing they didnt have money to pay regular season winners?)

Like last year , i think this a serious issue for the FF community. I hope my worst fears are not realized here but im not optimistic. Also if remember correctly, FJ was allowed to espouse the virtues of their contest here on FBG.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Edited to add a title that reflects what the post is asking.

J

 

[Mario Kart]

Sending random people your money in the mail that you met online sounds like a great idea. Where do I sign up?

 

[aerolaw]

Sending random people your money in the mail that you met online sounds like a great idea. Where do I sign up?

They've been in business for 6 years and have heretofore been reputable and paid winners on time. They did have a good track record for customer service and prompt payment, so it was not exactly sending random people money. I've made some decent money playing their contests.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't know them but I think Mark may. They've had an excellent reputation for a good number of years. I'll ask and see if I hear anything. I'm not sure what you mean by them "espousing" their contest here. Many contests are talked about here. It's a fine line between information and advertising sometimes. We want information, not advertising.

J

 

[Dreamer]

I was wondering if anybody here has heard from Scott or Mike from Fantasy Jungle. To my knowledge, as of March 1, football winners had not been paid, theier message board is "down for maintenance", and they do not respond to emails. Before the message board went down, there were some unconvincing excuses being given for non payment, with the obligatory "winners will be paid soon". If i remember correctly, same symptoms as AFFL last year. FJ also ran post season NFL and college bowl contests, (likely knowing they didnt have money to pay regular season winners?)Like last year , i think this a serious issue for the FF community. I hope my worst fears are not realized here but im not optimistic. Also if remember correctly, FJ was allowed to espouse the virtues of their contest here on FBG.Any information would be greatly appreciated.--------------------Edited to add a title that reflects what the post is asking.J

You have the worst luck.

 

[aerolaw]

I don't know them but I think Mark may. They've had an excellent reputation for a good number of years. I'll ask and see if I hear anything. I'm not sure what you mean by them "espousing" their contest here. Many contests are talked about here. It's a fine line between information and advertising sometimes. We want information, not advertising. J

Joe, thanks for the help. i was referring to the preseason where you allowed certain contests to describe what they were offering, i think it was this past preseason. I had played in their contests since their inception 6 years ago, so i certainly didnt rely on any credibility that FBG might have lent them, but by the same token i dont think you would have given them "air time" if you didnt think they were credible, also. I appreciate all the info the site provides and i wouldnt be nearly as effective of an owner without it.I hope you can find something out about whats going on. Taking down their message board is the best way for them to cut communications among owners. I'm grateful that we have this forum.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

 

[identikit]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

 

[purestrength]

Scott and Mike have been so cool over the years. I am shocked to be reading this. Seriously.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

:X

 

[StackTheLine]

I'm beginning to think we need a "Looking For Payment" forum. Between AFFL, Fantasy Jungle, and Lhucks it would stay pretty busy.

Link

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sending random people your money in the mail that you met online sounds like a great idea. Where do I sign up?

If you come back next week, be way cooler. TIA.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I was wondering if anybody here has heard from Scott or Mike from Fantasy Jungle. To my knowledge, as of March 1, football winners had not been paid, theier message board is "down for maintenance", and they do not respond to emails. Before the message board went down, there were some unconvincing excuses being given for non payment, with the obligatory "winners will be paid soon". If i remember correctly, same symptoms as AFFL last year. FJ also ran post season NFL and college bowl contests, (likely knowing they didnt have money to pay regular season winners?)Like last year , i think this a serious issue for the FF community. I hope my worst fears are not realized here but im not optimistic. Also if remember correctly, FJ was allowed to espouse the virtues of their contest here on FBG.Any information would be greatly appreciated.--------------------Edited to add a title that reflects what the post is asking.J

Hi aero,Mark didn't know them. PM me the email address and I'll try to get in touch with them.J

 

[Team Legacy]

bump - It is my understanding that winners have STILL not been paid. This is bad news for all of us. How can we trust High Stakes Operators in the future?

Escrow of prize funds is the only logical conclusion.

 

[aerolaw]

bump - It is my understanding that winners have STILL not been paid. This is bad news for all of us. How can we trust High Stakes Operators in the future? Escrow of prize funds is the only logical conclusion.

The only way i will ever play in another high stakes contest is if prize fund is escrowed with an attorney, the attorney issues an escrow letter, and a phone call is made to the atty verifying those facts. This includes WCOFF, because as has been stated here, even operators who had decent track records fall prey to circumstances.It is so incredibly frustrating to win, then to have the realization that you are not getting paid. Its only a couple thousand to me,but i just cant really comprehend how the real major winners cope with that.The operators that run midseason and post season contests, knowing they dont have the funds to pay the regular season winners, are really engaging in a typical ponzi scheme. I'm going to give FJ a little more time, then i'm going to try to muster some support from law enforcement in Michigan, where FJ is located, or better yet, down here in Florida where one of the owners spends time and has contacts.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

 

[Winston Wolfe]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

 

[awesomeness]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

 

[Ozymandias]

Sending random people your money in the mail that you met online sounds like a great idea. Where do I sign up?

If you come back next week, be way cooler. TIA.J

You must have burned the BBQ.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sending random people your money in the mail that you met online sounds like a great idea. Where do I sign up?

If you come back next week, be way cooler. TIA.J

You must have burned the BBQ.

No. Just getting a lot of email lately complaining about the tools and asking me to limit it in the SP. I think they are right.J

 

[bentley]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

I agree with Ken. Moving it a forum that the vast majority of the fantasy football community here is not going to see is burying it, regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

I agree with Ken. Moving it a forum that the vast majority of the fantasy football community here is not going to see is burying it, regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

gotta agree

 

[Bri]

regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

**snipped**that's the problem though, it doesn't pertain to this forum.As I see it, Joe lets guys get the word out and then moves the thread. I would figure the "greater community" here at FBGs checks into the shark pool during the time(week?) Joe leaves the thread in the pool so he has offerred someone the opportunity to get their point across to the greater community here.Saying it's not enough time seems to be different than the argument you and Ken brought up.However, if it's left in the pool wouldn't it be bumped all spring and summer and ....is that really the thread you want to see everyday for the next 6 months?

 

[bentley]

regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

**snipped**that's the problem though, it doesn't pertain to this forum.As I see it, Joe lets guys get the word out and then moves the thread. I would figure the "greater community" here at FBGs checks into the shark pool during the time(week?) Joe leaves the thread in the pool so he has offerred someone the opportunity to get their point across to the greater community here.Saying it's not enough time seems to be different than the argument you and Ken brought up.However, if it's left in the pool wouldn't it be bumped all spring and summer and ....is that really the thread you want to see everyday for the next 6 months?

Honestly, it's more interesting and relevant than several of the threads on the front page right now (Madden 2010, Pacman on Pros & Joe, etc.). But it's not my board. And I can see a reasonable argument for leaving it here for a couple weeks then moving it. But, it's also possible that nobody gets paid, the thread gets moved, these guys start up a new contest, and the whole group of Shark Poolers that come back in the summer (which is much greater than the group here now) have no idea that this thread ever happened.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

I agree with Ken. Moving it a forum that the vast majority of the fantasy football community here is not going to see is burying it, regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

I understand that point. That's why it's still here in this forum for a bit. But just giving heads up that it'll be moved as it does not come under what we're doing with the Shark Pool. If we want to change the definition of the Shark Pool, that's another discussion and it's one we can have. But complaint / venting threads about fantasy sites people are unhappy with is absolutely positively not the kind of stuff we want in the Shark Pool. Not even close.

J

 

[awesomeness]

regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

**snipped**that's the problem though, it doesn't pertain to this forum.

As I see it, Joe lets guys get the word out and then moves the thread. I would figure the "greater community" here at FBGs checks into the shark pool during the time(week?) Joe leaves the thread in the pool so he has offerred someone the opportunity to get their point across to the greater community here.

Saying it's not enough time seems to be different than the argument you and Ken brought up.

However, if it's left in the pool wouldn't it be bumped all spring and summer and ....is that really the thread you want to see everyday for the next 6 months?

I'd much rather read a thread about how a fantasy football website is scamming money from its customers then read a thread about how you think Ernest Wilford is a sleeper candidate. It's terrible that some FBG's put big $$ into the AFFL because they were unaware that they are scamming their customers, it would be a shame if the same thing would happen again, especially since its so easily avoidable.

 

[bentley]

Joe,

I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

 

[awesomeness]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

I agree with Ken. Moving it a forum that the vast majority of the fantasy football community here is not going to see is burying it, regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

I understand that point. That's why it's still here in this forum for a bit. But just giving heads up that it'll be moved as it does not come under what we're doing with the Shark Pool. If we want to change the definition of the Shark Pool, that's another discussion and it's one we can have. But complaint / venting threads about fantasy sites people are unhappy with is absolutely positively not the kind of stuff we want in the Shark Pool. Not even close.

J

There's a pretty big difference between complaining about a fantasy site, and letting other FBG's know that there is a fantasy football website out there that may be scamming its customers.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Update - Mike Williams from fantasy jungle emailed me back.

Bottom line is they are struggling as a business. They have contacted every person that is owed money and let them know there is a delay. They don't have a firm date on when payments will be made and are hesitant to make payment promises they're not sure they can meet as that just leads to more frustration if they miss a deadline.

Some have threatened legal recourse and they're prepared to deal with that if it comes to it. I don't know Mike but he sounded very sincere in doing all they can to get folks paid. They are not running their normal baseball and golf leagues now as they felt it would be wrong to try and raise money that way knowing they couldn't pay the baseball guys if they used the baseball money to pay the Football winners. My impression as a totally impartial and unconnected in any way observer, is they are doing all they can to make it right.

Hoping for all parties involved on every side that this gets worked out.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.

And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.

Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.

J

Joe,I have to disagree with you again on this as I did in the AFFL thread. Burying this thread in a forum that receives very little traffic does a disservice to the fantasy community.

-Ken

Thanks for the feedback. We had that discussion on the AFFL and I'm exactly where I was then. Just as it was with the AFFL thread, the Shark Pool isn't a forum to complain about bad experiences with companies. Whether it's an online league hosting that goes down. Or bad draft software or whatever. Never has been and never will. It's a very tight focus of NFL News and Opinion and Fantasy Football strategy. As I said, I've sent messages to the fantasy jungle owners. This thread can stay here for a bit but it will move just like the AFFL thread to a forum where it doesn't go against the pretty narrow focus of what the forum is. That is not "burying" anything. That's allowing Shark Pool topics to stay in the Shark Pool. And removing ones that are not Shark Pool topics. I understand you disagree.J

I agree with Ken. Moving it a forum that the vast majority of the fantasy football community here is not going to see is burying it, regardless of the definitions of what belong in each forum. The greater community is served more by the threads being in the Shark Pool.

I understand that point. That's why it's still here in this forum for a bit. But just giving heads up that it'll be moved as it does not come under what we're doing with the Shark Pool. If we want to change the definition of the Shark Pool, that's another discussion and it's one we can have. But complaint / venting threads about fantasy sites people are unhappy with is absolutely positively not the kind of stuff we want in the Shark Pool. Not even close.

J

There's a pretty big difference between complaining about a fantasy site, and letting other FBG's know that there is a fantasy football website out there that may be scamming its customers.

I don't disagree. That's why a complaint will be moved instantly and this one is still here. But to be clear, a message board isn't going to change anything on this. Either people will be paid, or the business will be forced into taking legal actions to defend itself from creditors that are owed winnings. They are not open for taking any more customers. J

 

[Bri]

I'd much rather read a thread about how a fantasy football website is scamming money from its customers then read a thread about how you think Ernest Wilford is a sleeper candidate.

Nice memory, sorry if it burned you. I didn't think I pushed him that much in that thread but, you are correct in stating that I was wrong in thinking he'd be a sleeper.I don't really see this as the tangent to go on here so if it's all the same to you, I'll leave it at that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

 

[bentley]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I agree. I think anything further is an FFA discussion. There reaches a point where a business knows it's going to go under and can't deliver on its obligations. If it continues to accept goods & services from providers, it's stealing in my opinion. Looks like the Fantasy Jungle guys may have realized their trouble here and taken the high road.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I agree. I think anything further is an FFA discussion. There reaches a point where a business knows it's going to go under and can't deliver on its obligations. If it continues to accept goods & services from providers, it's stealing in my opinion. Looks like the Fantasy Jungle guys may have realized their trouble here and taken the high road.

Cool. Let's hope they can get everything resolved.J

 

[bjabrad]

How is this thread any different than people asking about the best fantasy football league management sites?

We share information on league management websites, scoring systems, player evaluations and the new trend in professionally run pay leagues. I guess I just don't see why this feedback is different and should be off limits or hidden. Why not let it die a slow death like a large number of threads that are much more deserving of being forgotten?

 

[aerolaw]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I agree. I think anything further is an FFA discussion. There reaches a point where a business knows it's going to go under and can't deliver on its obligations. If it continues to accept goods & services from providers, it's stealing in my opinion. Looks like the Fantasy Jungle guys may have realized their trouble here and taken the high road.

They did run an NFL postseason contest and a College Bowl fantasy contest. When they ran those contests they must have known they didnt have the money to pay football winners. Now they are good guys because they arent running baseball and golf contests? The bigger point is, if you play in any high stakes league, or even local league (i saw the other thread about a commish that ran away with the money), you are definitely at risk of not getting paid. Thats another reason, i suppose, why its always better to be the "house".

 

[Winston Wolfe]

Update - Mike Williams from fantasy jungle emailed me back. Bottom line is they are struggling as a business. They have contacted every person that is owed money and let them know there is a delay. They don't have a firm date on when payments will be made and are hesitant to make payment promises they're not sure they can meet as that just leads to more frustration if they miss a deadline.Some have threatened legal recourse and they're prepared to deal with that if it comes to it. I don't know Mike but he sounded very sincere in doing all they can to get folks paid. They are not running their normal baseball and golf leagues now as they felt it would be wrong to try and raise money that way knowing they couldn't pay the baseball guys if they used the baseball money to pay the Football winners. My impression as a totally impartial and unconnected in any way observer, is they are doing all they can to make it right.Hoping for all parties involved on every side that this gets worked out.J

Translation: They spent the contest money on operations and can't currently pay. While I do hope the winners get paid, the important part of this thread is inform the fantasy community that there is another fairly well known fantasy contest that betrayed the trust of the participants. I do appreciate Joe taking his time in contacting the operator of this contest.NOTE TO ALL FANTASY SPORTS CONTEST OPERATORS: STOP USING CONTEST PRIZE MONEY TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS. Sounds just like the AFFL situation, a typical under capitalized business trying to do more than they could afford.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I've sent an email to the fantasy jungle guys. Hopefully they'll respond.And to be consistent, this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long. Just like the AFFL thread, the SP is for NFL news and opinions. Not to vent complaints about other companies. It'll move to another forum on the Footballguys board soon as we did the AFFL thread.Hopefully we'll hear something soon. Does indeed suck to win and not get paid.J

'this thread won't stay in the Shark Pool for long'See I think you own it to your 'Customs' to leave it here. Question, You don't feel bad that because AFFL trend was buried last year, some of your Customs got burned and lost money in that Contest? There's exceptions to every rule and this is one of them. I asked for all members of FBG to please leave this in the Shark Pool.Thanks from one of Your Customs.

 

[perry147]

Update - Mike Williams from fantasy jungle emailed me back. Bottom line is they are struggling as a business. They have contacted every person that is owed money and let them know there is a delay. They don't have a firm date on when payments will be made and are hesitant to make payment promises they're not sure they can meet as that just leads to more frustration if they miss a deadline.Some have threatened legal recourse and they're prepared to deal with that if it comes to it. I don't know Mike but he sounded very sincere in doing all they can to get folks paid. They are not running their normal baseball and golf leagues now as they felt it would be wrong to try and raise money that way knowing they couldn't pay the baseball guys if they used the baseball money to pay the Football winners. My impression as a totally impartial and unconnected in any way observer, is they are doing all they can to make it right.Hoping for all parties involved on every side that this gets worked out.J

Translation: They spent the contest money on operations and can't currently pay. While I do hope the winners get paid, the important part of this thread is inform the fantasy community that there is another fairly well known fantasy contest that betrayed the trust of the participants. I do appreciate Joe taking his time in contacting the operator of this contest.NOTE TO ALL FANTASY SPORTS CONTEST OPERATORS: STOP USING CONTEST PRIZE MONEY TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS. Sounds just like the AFFL situation, a typical under capitalized business trying to do more than they could afford.

Sounds like the most common bad business decision being made again. OVERREACHING.

 

[Team Legacy]

There's simply NO excuse for using allocated prize funds for ANY purpose. To justify their "good intentions" is borderline ludicrous. "Our intentions when spending THEIR money.. was to give it right back." BALONEY! Don't be sold a sob, poor me, I'm a nice guy story. This has to STOP!

I will ask for ALL fantasy high stakes contests that I participate in to be VERY clear in their designation of "use of prize funds". It must be a strict agreement at time of entry, thus a breach of contract in the event it's not adhered to.

Joe, obviously you know we're emotional about this subject and I APPRECIATE you keeping this in the Shark Pool as long as you deem worthy. This is a great service you're performing for us.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I'm not sure these situations are comparable. I think creditors, while they certainly expect to be repaid, understand the situation - CC will pay them back with revenue they get from selling their products. There's an inherent, and understood, risk in that and I don't think these fantasy sites are in the same boat. They are supposed to use the money that goes into the pool for anything except paying off the winners of that pool. I could be wrong though, I've never played on any of these sites...but generally, isn't the money to run their business supposed to come from the fees? The money for the pool should go into the pool, and that's it. Using the pool money on other things, hoping that they'll have more money from other pools in the future to pay it back just sounds like a scam imo.

 

[King of Queens]

Joe,

I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.

J

I'm not sure these situations are comparable. I think creditors, while they certainly expect to be repaid, understand the situation - CC will pay them back with revenue they get from selling their products. There's an inherent, and understood, risk in that and I don't think these fantasy sites are in the same boat. They are supposed to use the money that goes into the pool for anything except paying off the winners of that pool. I could be wrong though, I've never played on any of these sites...but generally, isn't the money to run their business supposed to come from the fees? The money for the pool should go into the pool, and that's it. Using the pool money on other things, hoping that they'll have more money from other pools in the future to pay it back just sounds like a scam imo.

Pretty much what I was going to post. AFFL and Fantasy Jungle are/were fantasy football contests -- the prize money should have never been intermingled with other expenses in the first place. If they collected $500,000 in entry fees, and they were supposed to pay out $400,000 in prize money at the end of the season, that gives them exactly $100,000 of "wiggle room" to pay their expenses. If they can cut corners on expenses, that puts more money in their pockets. Really, it isn't that complicated a business model.Here's the question that I have: why don't fantasy game operators just pull the plug on their contests BEFORE THE SEASON if they see the numbers aren't working? I have no respect for any company that knows their business isn't working, but continues to take money from customers until the very end. Didn't Fantasy Jungle run NFL Playoff and College Bowl contests as well? Absolutely shameful.

With apologies to Joe Bryant, if you run a contest where you take money from customers and don't pay them the prizes they were promised, that's stealing in my book.

 

[King of Queens]

Joe,

I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.

J

I agree. I think anything further is an FFA discussion. There reaches a point where a business knows it's going to go under and can't deliver on its obligations. If it continues to accept goods & services from providers, it's stealing in my opinion. Looks like the Fantasy Jungle guys may have realized their trouble here and taken the high road money.

Fixed

 

[Team Legacy]

Joe,

I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.

J

I'm not sure these situations are comparable. I think creditors, while they certainly expect to be repaid, understand the situation - CC will pay them back with revenue they get from selling their products. There's an inherent, and understood, risk in that and I don't think these fantasy sites are in the same boat. They are supposed to use the money that goes into the pool for anything except paying off the winners of that pool. I could be wrong though, I've never played on any of these sites...but generally, isn't the money to run their business supposed to come from the fees? The money for the pool should go into the pool, and that's it. Using the pool money on other things, hoping that they'll have more money from other pools in the future to pay it back just sounds like a scam imo.

Pretty much what I was going to post. AFFL and Fantasy Jungle are/were fantasy football contests -- the prize money should have never been intermingled with other expenses in the first place. If they collected $500,000 in entry fees, and they were supposed to pay out $400,000 in prize money at the end of the season, that gives them exactly $100,000 of "wiggle room" to pay their expenses. If they can cut corners on expenses, that puts more money in their pockets. Really, it isn't that complicated a business model.Here's the question that I have: why don't fantasy game operators just pull the plug on their contests BEFORE THE SEASON if they see the numbers aren't working? I have no respect for any company that knows their business isn't working, but continues to take money from customers until the very end. Didn't Fantasy Jungle run NFL Playoff and College Bowl contests as well? Absolutely shameful.

With apologies to Joe Bryant, if you run a contest where you take money from customers and don't pay them the prizes they were promised, that's stealing in my book.

SPOT ON BROTHER!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I'm not sure these situations are comparable. I think creditors, while they certainly expect to be repaid, understand the situation - CC will pay them back with revenue they get from selling their products. There's an inherent, and understood, risk in that and I don't think these fantasy sites are in the same boat. They are supposed to use the money that goes into the pool for anything except paying off the winners of that pool. I could be wrong though, I've never played on any of these sites...but generally, isn't the money to run their business supposed to come from the fees? The money for the pool should go into the pool, and that's it. Using the pool money on other things, hoping that they'll have more money from other pools in the future to pay it back just sounds like a scam imo.

I really think that the situations are the same. Sony sends 10,000 TVs to a Circuit City store and they have the same expectaion of being paid for those TVs as someone does who sends a contest money and expects to be paid when they win. They're both businesses. And the harsh fact is that lots of businesses are failing right now and unable to meet the obligations they owe.As I said, I don't know these folks at all and I could be giving them too much benefit of the doubt but from what little I know, it doesn't at all appear to be a scam situation. It appears to be a business that is struggling. They stand to lose a ton on this. If they don't pay, they'll be sued I'm sure. They lose big time in that. The last thing they want is for it go down that road. It seems to me that they want nothing more than to pay everyone and resolve this. That's not what a scam business does. Again, I don't know them and I could be reading it wrong, but that's what it appears like to me.J

 

[Ozymandias]

Joe,I agree that discussion of sites people are "unhappy with" should be beyond the bounds. But I think "stolen from" is a bit different (as it relates to AFFL and what may or may not have happened here).

I think one has to be very careful in accusing a business of "stealing". A creditor that is unpaid by an honest business that fails and goes out is very different than a scam business that steals. Circuit City I'm sure has creditors they owe. It sucks big time to be one of those creditors. But I'm hesitant to say Circuit City stole from them.J

I'm not sure these situations are comparable. I think creditors, while they certainly expect to be repaid, understand the situation - CC will pay them back with revenue they get from selling their products. There's an inherent, and understood, risk in that and I don't think these fantasy sites are in the same boat. They are supposed to use the money that goes into the pool for anything except paying off the winners of that pool. I could be wrong though, I've never played on any of these sites...but generally, isn't the money to run their business supposed to come from the fees? The money for the pool should go into the pool, and that's it. Using the pool money on other things, hoping that they'll have more money from other pools in the future to pay it back just sounds like a scam imo.

I really think that the situations are the same. Sony sends 10,000 TVs to a Circuit City store and they have the same expectaion of being paid for those TVs as someone does who sends a contest money and expects to be paid when they win. They're both businesses. And the harsh fact is that lots of businesses are failing right now and unable to meet the obligations they owe.As I said, I don't know these folks at all and I could be giving them too much benefit of the doubt but from what little I know, it doesn't at all appear to be a scam situation. It appears to be a business that is struggling. They stand to lose a ton on this. If they don't pay, they'll be sued I'm sure. They lose big time in that. The last thing they want is for it go down that road. It seems to me that they want nothing more than to pay everyone and resolve this. That's not what a scam business does. Again, I don't know them and I could be reading it wrong, but that's what it appears like to me.J

I don't care what anybody else says, Joe, I have total confidence that when I sign up again, you won't pull the plug on Draft Dominator, or the weekly emails you send me.