Anyone offically worried about Maroney's health issues (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Jun. 7 - 9:26 am et Laurence Maroney (shoulder surgery) "appeared to be favoring his right arm" at practice Wednesday, according to the Boston Herald.

The Patriots are likely being especially cautious with Maroney, and the Herald suggests his light participation in Wednesday's workout was merely for show. Still, there doesn't seem to be great cause for long-term concern.

Source: Boston Globe

Jun. 6 - 11:05 am et Laurence Maroney (shoulder surgery) took part in agility drills Wednesday.

Maroney didn't participate in team drills, but this is a great sign nonetheless, as he hadn't practiced at all to this point. The second-year runner should be on pace to be 100 percent before the beginning of training camp.

Source: Boston Globe

May. 31 - 12:36 pm et Laurence Maroney (shoulder surgery) was not on the field as the Patriots opened passing camp on Thursday morning.

No surprise, as Maroney was unable to use the shoulder in a charity softball game two weeks ago and continues to rehab. Randy Moss was in pads and had "an uneven day," although he did beat Eugene Wilson on a deep pattern.

Source: Providence Journal

May. 14 - 9:35 am et Laurence Maroney was at a Patriots charity softball game Saturday, but didn't participate.

The status of Maroney's shoulder, which wasn't in a sling, is a mystery. Maroney served as the game's umpire and only tossed balls underhanded when they came to him. He's likely to be limited in work before training camp.

Source: Boston Herald

Mar. 27 - 10:15 am et Laurence Maroney's mother says her son is not wearing a sling and is taking part in conditioning drills while rehabbing from shoulder surgery.

Maroney is expected to be ready for the Patriots' season opener.

Source: Boston Globe

Mar. 26 - 9:09 am et Laurence Maroney underwent shoulder surgery this offseason that revealed "fairly significant damage," according to the Boston Herald.

The pain reportedly bothered Maroney down the stretch and could explain his weak effort late in the year. The Patriots obviously knew about the surgery, yet still let go of Corey Dillon - which is a good sign for Maroney's recovery. It's uncertain when he'll be ready to return to the field.

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...NFL&id=3642

Offically place me on the list.

 

[wannabee]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

 

[Borat]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

Dillon was the starter, not to mention the incumbent veteran. Shouldn't this have been expected?It's early June, fellas. The season doesn't start for another few months.

 

[wannabee]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

Dillon was the starter, not to mention the incumbent veteran. Shouldn't this have been expected?It's early June, fellas. The season doesn't start for another few months.

How many years in college did Maroney carry the primary load? My point? People are draft Maroney VERY high for a guy that carried the ball 200+ times last year and not a ton of collegiate carries. Does he have potential? Definitely. Is he a good bet to hold up for entire season? Not in my opinion.

 

[BusMan]

To me it begs the question of whether or not Maroney has ever has a significant injury before (high school or college). If not, perhaps he is just being extra careful with his shoulder. If so, then I'm a bit more worried that he is being so ginger with it. If your shoulder hurts so much that you have to let it hang dead by your side to run a drill, that's really not a good sign. Either stay off the field and get healthy, or suck it up and play. Given the use of the phrase "serious damage", I'd be much more comfortable if Maroney stayed completely off the field until his shoulder was ready to go (and I say this not as a Maroney owner, but as a potential Maroney drafter).

 

[Dhizz]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

Dillon was the starter, not to mention the incumbent veteran. Shouldn't this have been expected?It's early June, fellas. The season doesn't start for another few months.

Fairly sure his point was, he was a backup, on limited duty, and couldn't stay healthy. And now all offseason he's struggling with injuries.And he didn't even get most of the carries. Which makes it even more alarming.

LJ ran it 650 times last year, and I don't see any reports of him favoring anything.

And based on last year, Maroney is a top 10 RB? He's following in Chris Perry's footsteps, talent, hype, limited role, limited production, boat load of injuries.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Patriots are so worried that they haven't sincerely gone after any of the decent FA RBs.

The media is blowing this out of proportion and all the guppies are taking the bait.

 

[Family Matters]

The red falgs are there. Great RB. Health is in serious question. Draft knowing the risk.

 

[Fantasy Foosball]

The Patriots are so worried that they haven't sincerely gone after any of the decent FA RBs.The media is blowing this out of proportion and all the guppies are taking the bait.

Same thing with Alexander.

 

[Biabreakable]

Someone has Maroney on thier team...

In true guppie fashion I have traded Maroney, Driver, Schuab and a 1st round pick in 2008 for Steven Jackson and a 3rd round pick in 2008.

I mainly did this because of the upgrade I see from Maroney to Jackson and also the lesser risk involved with Jackson compared to Maroney.

I would have to say that yes I am worried about Maroney's shoulder and moreso his ability to be a true workhorse. My projections for Maroney who should have a lot of open lanes to run to because of the Patriots passing offense have not changed yet. I am waiting to see how much longer this injury concern will continue before I would do that. However the consideration of dropping Maroney's floor in my projections has allready been crossing my mind and they were there when I was working on the numbers.

If Maroney is limited in his number of touches I am not confident in Morris doing well enough to take a substaintial role in his stead. I see more of a 3 headed RBBC becoming the way the Pats may adjust to not having Maroney healthy enough to contribute. Morris Faulk and Evans. This would not really change my team projections for running the ball that much but all 3 of those backup RBs would see a significant increase in action from what I have projected for them.

Not ready to make those changes yet but yes the injury lingering is a real concern.

ETA- if Maroney should miss significant time or be ineffective due to the injury then I do actualy think the Pats will increase thier pass attempts as part of dealing with this problem.

 

[Tick]

In true guppie fashion I have traded Maroney, Driver, Schuab and a 1st round pick in 2008 for Steven Jackson and a 3rd round pick in 2008.

Similarly, I did Maroney + 1.07 + 2.07 for Jackson + 4.05.Sure, this trade could bite me, but I felt that Maroney's value was a bit too high right given his situation and past. The shoulder injury is only a minor part of that for me... I would have done the same trade with Addai for similar reasons.

 

[ThePittbully]

 

[BusMan]

The Patriots are so worried that they haven't sincerely gone after any of the decent FA RBs.The media is blowing this out of proportion and all the guppies are taking the bait.

So reporting that Maroney is scared to use his shoulder is "blowing this out of proportion"?

 

[smcindoe]

I'm not worried, I'm concerned. If/when the Pats sign Chris Brown or someone comparable, I will shift into "worried" mode.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I dont know the severity of the shoulder injury compared to others but I will say it seems like everytime someone got a bad shoulder situation they come through in the end. Chad Pennington had shoulder problems 2 seasons in a row and was comeback of the year last season. Daunte Culpepper was taken by Miami because they felt the safer pick was on the recovering knee and not Dree Bree's shoulder, they were wrong too. Theres still a solid amount of time for recovery.

What would clear all this up is if we knew what the eta on recovery was from the get go compared to where we are now. For all we know from jump street the Doc could have said, youll be back in time for training camp.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

Dillon was the starter, not to mention the incumbent veteran. Shouldn't this have been expected?It's early June, fellas. The season doesn't start for another few months.

How many years in college did Maroney carry the primary load? My point? People are draft Maroney VERY high for a guy that carried the ball 200+ times last year and not a ton of collegiate carries. Does he have potential? Definitely. Is he a good bet to hold up for entire season? Not in my opinion.

Same can be said for Joseph Addai.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

At this point you would have to be concerned about Maroney.

It becomes "worried" when the camps are full swing and he is missing time.

Same can be said for Joseph Addai.

Last year down? In total Addai had 302 carries and 62 catches in '07.

And did not have the multiple game day issues that Maroney did.

 

[KellysHeroes]

At this point you would have to be concerned about Maroney.

It becomes "worried" when the camps are full swing and he is missing time.

Same can be said for Joseph Addai.

Last year down? In total Addai had 302 carries and 62 catches in '07.

And did not have the multiple game day issues that Maroney did.

yes.. good post..I own Maroney in a salary cap league for the $$ of a late 3rd rder... but if this keeps up in July, I'm going to explore my options

 

[Ned]

In true guppie fashion I have traded Maroney, Driver, Schuab and a 1st round pick in 2008 for Steven Jackson and a 3rd round pick in 2008.

Similarly, I did Maroney + 1.07 + 2.07 for Jackson + 4.05.Sure, this trade could bite me, but I felt that Maroney's value was a bit too high right given his situation and past. The shoulder injury is only a minor part of that for me... I would have done the same trade with Addai for similar reasons.

even if there were zero questions about maroney's health i say you stole sjax. i'd do that 100x to sunday...

 

[Silver & Black]

I don't see how any Maroney owner isn't a bit concerned at this point.

Maroney has a hard running style and finishes off his runs with his shoulders. Say what you want, but the fact that he was throwing the ball back to someone with his left arm and was noticeably favoring his right shoulder as he walked has to be a red flag here.

I know the season is still a few months away, but I am still somewhat concerned about his health and how he is going to hold up this season.

 

[JimboJim]

Does anyone actually know what the shoulder injury was to Maroney; was it a tron rotator cuff, a fracture, dislocation...

I don't seem to remember him missing any time last season due to it.

Call me one of the optimists, but until I get some hard facts stating there is an ongoing or lingering problem with the shoulder, I'm going to assume the procedure was more precautionary that anything else and part of his recovery plan is just to take it easy for a while.

 

[mozzy84]

I agree to a point. I have tried to acquire Sammy Morris in every league. I worry about Maroney. He split carries last year with Dillon and, iirc, Dillon had more carries.

isn't morris in the exact same boat as Maroney right now, he had shoulder surgery too and has been wearing a red jersey in practice.I guess I am one of the few not worried about this, the guy had shoulder surgery and its the beginning of june. If they go pick up chris brown then I will be worried.

 

[shadyridr]

Did anybody actually watch him play in the late part of last year? He tiptoed to the line and never hit the hole hard. He was a shell of the RB we saw in the 1st half. His injuries caused him to be tentative. With that being said, even if he is able to play this year, albeit with pain in his shoulder, do you not think he will still be extremely tentative and cautious? I do. Theres no way Im drafting him this year. He will be a bust. Dont get me wrong he is a very talented RB but its not worth the risk this year.

 

[Banger]

I'm surprised with all the loading up the offense did this offseason that they didn't get a better backup RB.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style.

This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Does anyone actually know what the shoulder injury was to Maroney; was it a tron rotator cuff, a fracture, dislocation...I don't seem to remember him missing any time last season due to it.Call me one of the optimists, but until I get some hard facts stating there is an ongoing or lingering problem with the shoulder, I'm going to assume the procedure was more precautionary that anything else and part of his recovery plan is just to take it easy for a while.

I think he was just having a cleaning or scrapin, but they found more damage than expected.

 

[burd]

The Patriots are so worried that they haven't sincerely gone after any of the decent FA RBs.The media is blowing this out of proportion and all the guppies are taking the bait.

Same thing with Alexander.

agree with you about Alexander ... he's proved that he's the real deal by carrying a full load for many years. For all we know, Maroney could be another Fragile-Fred Taylor ... very good RB but can't stay healthy. If Maroney has lingering pain after team drills, how do you think his body will respond when it's getting pounded on by 300lb lineman in 2 months? I think it's worth keeping an eye on how Maroney does this summer, but it's too early to throw up the red flags just yet.

 

[jestertj]

To me it begs the question of whether or not Maroney has ever has a significant injury before (high school or college). If not, perhaps he is just being extra careful with his shoulder. If so, then I'm a bit more worried that he is being so ginger with it. If your shoulder hurts so much that you have to let it hang dead by your side to run a drill, that's really not a good sign. Either stay off the field and get healthy, or suck it up and play. Given the use of the phrase "serious damage", I'd be much more comfortable if Maroney stayed completely off the field until his shoulder was ready to go (and I say this not as a Maroney owner, but as a potential Maroney drafter).

His most serious injury was a high ankle sprain at U of MN. It slowed him down and hindered his effectiveness, but he tried playing through it.

 

[mbuehner]

agree with you about Alexander ... he's proved that he's the real deal by carrying a full load for many years. For all we know, Maroney could be another Fragile-Fred Taylor ... very good RB but can't stay healthy.

You mean that guy that has missed 8 games in the last 5 years? I think i could live with that. We need a new poster boy for the injury prone RB.

 

[packersfan]

agree with you about Alexander ... he's proved that he's the real deal by carrying a full load for many years. For all we know, Maroney could be another Fragile-Fred Taylor ... very good RB but can't stay healthy.

You mean that guy that has missed 8 games in the last 5 years? I think i could live with that. We need a new poster boy for the injury prone RB.

All 8 of those missed games have come in the last three seasons. So he essentially has missed an average of 3 games a season or nearly 20% of the season in that time. The "Fragile Fred" tag fits him again.Back to Maroney, I would definitely be concerned but I'm amazed the Patriots haven't signed someone better than Sammy Morris to be the backup. That's what I can't figure out. If Maroney's shoulder was really cause for concern within the team, wouldn't they want someone better than Sammy Morris? It's not like they've been shy about offensive upgrades this offseason.

 

[super sleeper]

As a current Maroney owner who was burned by Domanick (Davis) Williams last year, "concerned" would be the right work, given it is only June.

If the Patriots pursue a potential starting- or rotation RB, ala Chris Brown, to upgrade Sammy Morris, I will officially become "worried". And if Betts or Turner somehow lands on the Patriots, "panic" would be the operative word.

With all the talent NE has brought in this offseason, it's surprising that Sammy Morris and Justise Hairston are the only RBs they have brought in. They have a lot of FB-type guys in Morris, Evans, Hairston, and Quadrine Hill, and all of them can't make the roster. They have to bring in another halfback to work with Maroney and Pass, don't they?

 

[JimboJim]

Take it for what it's worth, but I was just doing a little reading up on shoulder injuries on the net and even if it was a worst case scenario where Maroney's shoulder joint was completely unstable and unrepairable naturally and they replaced the entire joint, he should be fully healed in three to four months.

If they did the surgery late March/early April, that would put him fully healed by August. My guess is with the top notch surgeons, rehab folks and trainers pro atheletes have, he'd probably be back to full strength even quicker.

It doesn't look like there are many shoulder injuries that lead to long-term problems if treated correctly.

 

[redman]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style.

This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

I'm a dynasty Maroney owner and I'm growing more concerned by the week.

 

[BusMan]

Take it for what it's worth, but I was just doing a little reading up on shoulder injuries on the net and even if it was a worst case scenario where Maroney's shoulder joint was completely unstable and unrepairable naturally and they replaced the entire joint, he should be fully healed in three to four months.

If they did the surgery late March/early April, that would put him fully healed by August. My guess is with the top notch surgeons, rehab folks and trainers pro atheletes have, he'd probably be back to full strength even quicker.

It doesn't look like there are many shoulder injuries that lead to long-term problems if treated correctly.

The problem with this line of thinking is that we don't know exactly when the surgery took place.Surgery Date?

What I take from this article is that the surgery occured sometime between Mon, January 22, and Monday, March 26. The article states...

Patriots running back Laurence Maroney underwent shoulder surgery after the team's AFC Championship Game loss to the Colts...[Maroney's mother] did not reveal specifics of the surgery -- or which shoulder was injured -- but noted that the procedure took place in the morning and Maroney was discharged from the hospital that afternoon...

Now Reiss could be saying Maroney has surgery the day after the AFC Championship game, or he could have had it the week before the article came out. So its been anywhere from nine to 18 weeks since the surgery. I'm parsing Reiss' wording here a bit, but the fact that he said the surgery was after the loss to the Colts, and not a generic term like "during the offseason," makes me think the surgery happened much earlier than your late March/early April guesstimate.If everything is truly on target with his recovery, we should start to see some dramatic improvement from him come training camp. That'll be the true test of his shoulder's situation.

 

[burd]

agree with you about Alexander ... he's proved that he's the real deal by carrying a full load for many years. For all we know, Maroney could be another Fragile-Fred Taylor ... very good RB but can't stay healthy.

You mean that guy that has missed 8 games in the last 5 years? I think i could live with that. We need a new poster boy for the injury prone RB.

Fred is fragile not because of the number of games he's missed. He's Fragile Fred because even when he's playing, he's being nagged by some kind of injury, whether it's his shoulder, or his ankle or knee, etc. Yeah he plays in a lot of games, but how many of those games was he less than effective because of some lingering injury. Same w/ Maroney last season, he was bothered in the second half of the season and it showed by the way his style changed.

 

[Silver & Black]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style. This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Very cool. Thank you in advance for posting the results of that pow-wow.I guess the thing that has me concerned the most are the reports that he is really favoring it. I mean, it's one thing to participate and be carefull not to further damage it. But we have heard reports about him not signing with his right hand, keeping his right arm to his side as he walks and so on. If there is any truth to any of those things and he is being that ginger with it, than my concerns are that much greater.The crazy part in all this is that the Pats didn't go out and sign any of the FA rb's out there this offseason so it seems they aren't too concerned about it. Weird.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style. This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Very cool. Thank you in advance for posting the results of that pow-wow.I guess the thing that has me concerned the most are the reports that he is really favoring it. I mean, it's one thing to participate and be carefull not to further damage it. But we have heard reports about him not signing with his right hand, keeping his right arm to his side as he walks and so on. If there is any truth to any of those things and he is being that ginger with it, than my concerns are that much greater.

Once again, I agree with S&B's take - and the reason is the MENTAL side of the injury. Even if Maroney's shoulder is 100% sound, if he's thinking about it, favoring it, as S&B says, "being ginger with it", that's could affect his running style. Is he no longer willing to lead with that shoulder? Does he seem intent on avoiding direct contact to the shoulder? I'll be watching his preseason carries very closely for this. If the Pats are careful with Maroney and don't play him in the preseason, that will make me less likely to take him in any draft.

 

[BusMan]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style. This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Very cool. Thank you in advance for posting the results of that pow-wow.I guess the thing that has me concerned the most are the reports that he is really favoring it. I mean, it's one thing to participate and be carefull not to further damage it. But we have heard reports about him not signing with his right hand, keeping his right arm to his side as he walks and so on. If there is any truth to any of those things and he is being that ginger with it, than my concerns are that much greater.

Once again, I agree with S&B's take - and the reason is the MENTAL side of the injury. Even if Maroney's shoulder is 100% sound, if he's thinking about it, favoring it, as S&B says, "being ginger with it", that's could affect his running style. Is he no longer willing to lead with that shoulder? Does he seem intent on avoiding direct contact to the shoulder? I'll be watching his preseason carries very closely for this. If the Pats are careful with Maroney and don't play him in the preseason, that will make me less likely to take him in any draft.

Bloom,Any chance you can ask Reiss for his take on the timing of Maroney's surgery (immediately after the AFC Championship or much later in the offseason)?As always, I'll be listening to the Audible as soon as its up! Thanks for the solid work.

 

[nygiants56]

Does anyone actually know what the shoulder injury was to Maroney; was it a tron rotator cuff, a fracture, dislocation...

I don't seem to remember him missing any time last season due to it.

Call me one of the optimists, but until I get some hard facts stating there is an ongoing or lingering problem with the shoulder, I'm going to assume the procedure was more precautionary that anything else and part of his recovery plan is just to take it easy for a while.

why yes, it was..he will be subject to immediate de-resolution once he gets off the lightcycle.- cheap 'Tron' movie reference.

 

[nygiants56]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style. This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Sigmundyou guys keeping tabs on Portis' shoulder too? it seems nearly identical to Maroney's problem. Both have 'hard', punishing running styles.perhaps BOTH situations need to be monitored closely.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style.

This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Sigmundyou guys keeping tabs on Portis' shoulder too? it seems nearly identical to Maroney's problem. Both have 'hard', punishing running styles.

perhaps BOTH situations need to be monitored closely.

Portis also has a knee tendonitis issue to monitor, but the latest news on that is positive.link

Clinton Portis and director of sports medicine Bubba Tyer both said that he is recovering well from a bout of tendonitis in his knee and will be full-go for the start of training camp. He'll miss this month's mini camp.

 

[ravnzfan]

I'm not worried, I'm concerned. If/when the Pats sign Chris Brown or someone comparable, I will shift into "worried" mode.

I'm not sure they'd do this, even if Maroney is a scratch, or with serious questions about his durabilityWith the additions to the passing game, they could very wel go w/a combo of Morris, Faulk the Patrick Pass' of the world---they are not the most comventional team in the world, and anything is possible w/these guys

to the OP's point--I don't own Maroney, as he's too expensive to accquire IMO

I have Morris and/or Faulk at least a dozen times---cheap to acquire and would well outperform their draft position even if they only need to start 25% of the time, which is looking like a pretty strong possibility right now

 

[redman]

Agree with silver&black - Maroney is going to need to trust his shoulder 100% with his running style. This is definitely a situation to keep close tabs on. We're scheduled to talk to Mike Reiss from the Boston Globe this afternoon and we will ask him about Maroney's shoulder.

Sigmundyou guys keeping tabs on Portis' shoulder too? it seems nearly identical to Maroney's problem. Both have 'hard', punishing running styles.perhaps BOTH situations need to be monitored closely.

Portis' shoulder is a non-issue at this point, and he's apparently over the knee tendonitis with the rest he's gotten. The two situations aren't comparable IMHO, except insofar as Portis is a reasonable analogy for Maroney in terms of being smallish but punishing runners who lead with their shoulders.

 

[Biabreakable]

In true guppie fashion I have traded Maroney, Driver, Schuab and a 1st round pick in 2008 for Steven Jackson and a 3rd round pick in 2008.

Similarly, I did Maroney + 1.07 + 2.07 for Jackson + 4.05.Sure, this trade could bite me, but I felt that Maroney's value was a bit too high right given his situation and past. The shoulder injury is only a minor part of that for me... I would have done the same trade with Addai for similar reasons.

Your trade was much cheaper than mine. Good job using the rookie draft excitement in your favor.

 

[Biabreakable]

Does anyone actually know what the shoulder injury was to Maroney; was it a tron rotator cuff, a fracture, dislocation...

I don't seem to remember him missing any time last season due to it.

Call me one of the optimists, but until I get some hard facts stating there is an ongoing or lingering problem with the shoulder, I'm going to assume the procedure was more precautionary that anything else and part of his recovery plan is just to take it easy for a while.

why yes, it was..he will be subject to immediate de-resolution once he gets off the lightcycle.- cheap 'Tron' movie reference.

 

[Tick]

In true guppie fashion I have traded Maroney, Driver, Schuab and a 1st round pick in 2008 for Steven Jackson and a 3rd round pick in 2008.

Similarly, I did Maroney + 1.07 + 2.07 for Jackson + 4.05.Sure, this trade could bite me, but I felt that Maroney's value was a bit too high right given his situation and past. The shoulder injury is only a minor part of that for me... I would have done the same trade with Addai for similar reasons.

Your trade was much cheaper than mine. Good job using the rookie draft excitement in your favor.

Thinking back, it might have happened just before the shoulder injury reports... I'm not sure which came first. Even so, the gap between Maroney and Jackson was huge IMO.

 

[Dhizz]

I'm not worried, I'm concerned. If/when the Pats sign Chris Brown or someone comparable, I will shift into "worried" mode.

I'm not sure they'd do this, even if Maroney is a scratch, or with serious questions about his durabilityWith the additions to the passing game, they could very wel go w/a combo of Morris, Faulk the Patrick Pass' of the world---they are not the most comventional team in the world, and anything is possible w/these guys

to the OP's point--I don't own Maroney, as he's too expensive to accquire IMO

I have Morris and/or Faulk at least a dozen times---cheap to acquire and would well outperform their draft position even if they only need to start 25% of the time, which is looking like a pretty strong possibility right now

I'm surprised people still buy into this stuff.Morris/Fault are bad starts, in every league, in every scoring, even if Maroney blows both knees out tomorrow. You'll LOSE games if you start them in any league. Out perform APD? *lol* You have a league that scores that? Patrick Pass? 7 years, 3 tds. If there's a league that scores for NOT scoring a TD, Pass is in my top 10. Unless you're Patrick’s dad, and even then, you shouldn't ever utter his name in terms of FF. Not even in your 85 man leagues. We can finally stop the Patrick Pass train.

If you draft a RB at RB70, and he ends up RB50, that's not value. At RB50 he's a horrible starter, will lose you games, and "out performing his ADP" doesn't pay the rent. Or win you $$$.

Go check back over the Maurice Morris threads. I love the SA owners adding "even if SA goes down, I have Morris to cover him". Um wrong. SA owners took a dirt nap that year. Morris is a backup because he's a horrible RB. Faulk is a horrible RB. Morris is beyond horrible. Put them in Denver, they're still horrible RBs. Shanny will find undrafted FAs to come take the carries.

No where on earth are Morris/Fault good RBs, who will do jack enough to start in a FF league. Yes if 50 RBs all blow their knees out tomorrow, I might grab Faulk off the WW. It's a waste of a roster spot. You're better off taking fliers on undrafted rookies. A bad backup is only a cuff if you'd start him. If SJAX goes down, I'm not starting Travis Minor. If I am, I horrible miscalculated my draft. Your RB3 RB4, should at least be decent RBBC RBs who have some sliver of success in their career.

Sorry, rant over. This whole cuff syndrome is just hilarious. Betts is a cuff. Turner is a cuff. Kevin Faulk is not a cuff. He's not security. He's a black hole on your FF roster. But hey, he's cheap to get. Yeah he's on the WW in 99% of leagues. You get what you pay for. Okay rant is really over now.

 

[Gadfly]

So the 151 total yards and a touchdown Morris had against New England last year when Brown was injured wouldn't have been good enough to break your starting lineup? You must have one heck of a team.

 

[Dhizz]

So the 151 total yards and a touchdown Morris had against New England last year when Brown was injured wouldn't have been good enough to break your starting lineup? You must have one heck of a team.

One in four starts?12 carries 47 yards 0 tds20 carries 70 yards 0 tds 6 carries 14 yards 0 tds Yeah that's what I want out of my RB during the FF playoffs.