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Anyone starting JBell Wk 3 even if Bush plays? (1 Viewer)

Assuming both play, I am starting ...

  • Reggie Bush

    Votes: 13 10.6%
  • Joique Bell

    Votes: 87 70.7%
  • Both

    Votes: 17 13.8%
  • Neither

    Votes: 6 4.9%

  • Total voters
    123

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If Bush is out, Bell is a clear start given the matchup. But as of this writing (Friday PM), it looks like Bush will play. Overall, that's probably better, since he's a better RB. But man, it makes the decision that much harder. What are the odds that he's limited? Or that they don't use him as much? Or that he re-injures himself?

In some ways, Bell might be the safer play. Yet I don't think I can sit Bush if he's in the lineup.

 
Bush is about to get broken in half...I sold high and I am about to reap the rewards with Bell.
Smart man. This smells like NO all over again (injury wise) to me.

Here's the latest news I can find by the way..


A league source tells Profootballtalk.com the Lions may hold Reggie Bush (knee) out of Week 3 as a precaution.
Per PFT's Mike Florio, "the scales could tilt toward shutting him down" against the Redskins because the Lions want Bush "available for the long haul," and are "inclined to give him a week off to heal." Florio reports the final decision may not be made until pre-game warmups, so it's going to come down to a game-time decision. If Bush is held out against the Redskins, Joique Bell could post legit RB1 numbers against Washington's swiss-cheese defense.
I'd urge people to start Bell vs. WAS regardless. Even if Bush does suit up, I don't envision him getting a substantial work load.

 
Bush is about to get broken in half...I sold high and I am about to reap the rewards with Bell.
Smart man. This smells like NO all over again (injury wise) to me.

Here's the latest news I can find by the way..


A league source tells Profootballtalk.com the Lions may hold Reggie Bush (knee) out of Week 3 as a precaution.
Per PFT's Mike Florio, "the scales could tilt toward shutting him down" against the Redskins because the Lions want Bush "available for the long haul," and are "inclined to give him a week off to heal." Florio reports the final decision may not be made until pre-game warmups, so it's going to come down to a game-time decision. If Bush is held out against the Redskins, Joique Bell could post legit RB1 numbers against Washington's swiss-cheese defense.
I'd urge people to start Bell vs. WAS regardless. Even if Bush does suit up, I don't envision him getting a substantial work load.
FF aside, why would you risk Bush against WA? Lions should win easily.

 
There are no easy wins in the NFL and the Lions have a terrible record at Arrowhead. They will need Bush to win that game. Bush and Bell both played for the Saints the year we had to go to Seattle in the Playoffs. (Beast mode run) Bell has talent but he isn't anywhere close to Reggie Bush. Not on the same planet.

 
There are no easy wins in the NFL and the Lions have a terrible record at Arrowhead. They will need Bush to win that game. Bush and Bell both played for the Saints the year we had to go to Seattle in the Playoffs. (Beast mode run) Bell has talent but he isn't anywhere close to Reggie Bush. Not on the same planet.
If the Lions go to Arrowhead, I guarantee the don't beat the Redskins.

 
From Rotoworld: A league source tells Profootballtalk.com the Lions may hold Reggie Bush (knee) out of Week 3 as a precaution.
Per PFT's Mike Florio, "the scales could tilt toward shutting him down" against the Redskins because the Lions want Bush "available for the long haul," and are "inclined to give him a week off to heal." Florio reports the final decision may not be made until pre-game warmups, so it's going to come down to a game-time decision. If Bush is held out against the Redskins, Joique Bell could post legit RB1 numbers against Washington's swiss-cheese defense.
 
It depends on what other RB's are on your/my team, but I am comfortable starting Bell in a ppr league. He's getting enough targets and touches to make him a decent flex player.

 
I'm starting him, along with Forte . . . . . . my other options are DRichardson, BTate, SVereen and CMichael.

 
Fellow owners have started Bell the last two weeks when Reggie's been healthy, not sure why anything should change regardless this week.

Bell the last two weeks has put up 26 and 12 the last two weeks in my ppr. He is on a Ben Tate level in my eyes

 
Even if Bush does play the risk of reinjury for him is always present and he may injure something else and I do think Schwartz goes out of his way to mislead the media on injury reports that rivals that of the Patriots. Bell is a must start this week regardless of if Bush plays correct?

 
starting bell with semi confidence as something that seems too good usually is, but i just have flashbacks of being a reggie owner when he was with the saints saying his knee was getting better and then he was done. hoping for 15 from bell in PPR league.

 
The Bell mania is reminiscent of the Jahvid Best mania from a few years ago.

A lot of hubbub made over a week one with a couple extremely flukey touchdowns, when the rest of his production is pretty blah, if not out-and-out useless.

Forced into any kind of full time role, Bell would find himself on the outs in a hurry. As a backup to Bush, he's going to see flukey results like he did in week one about once per decade, because he's no kind of goalline back. He was in for short TD's because of timing and natural rotational issues, not because he was a better bet to punch it in.

Owners who didn't sell EXTREMELY high on this guy within half an hour of his 2 TD performance are going to be kicking themselves all year. They might get a brief reprieve in the off chance Bush suffers a serious injury and Bell has to take over. But the relief would only last until they saw how incapable he'd be if he had to carry a full-time workload. I suspect the Lions would be in panic-and-committee mode in less than a week.

Bell's just not a legit front line NFL performer, and shouldn't be regarded as such. Dwindling returns imminent.

 
I'm starting him, and Snelling, regardless of Reggie but Eddie Lacy is my #2 RB so I don't really have much choice.

 
The Bell mania is reminiscent of the Jahvid Best mania from a few years ago.

A lot of hubbub made over a week one with a couple extremely flukey touchdowns, when the rest of his production is pretty blah, if not out-and-out useless.

Forced into any kind of full time role, Bell would find himself on the outs in a hurry. As a backup to Bush, he's going to see flukey results like he did in week one about once per decade, because he's no kind of goalline back. He was in for short TD's because of timing and natural rotational issues, not because he was a better bet to punch it in.

Owners who didn't sell EXTREMELY high on this guy within half an hour of his 2 TD performance are going to be kicking themselves all year. They might get a brief reprieve in the off chance Bush suffers a serious injury and Bell has to take over. But the relief would only last until they saw how incapable he'd be if he had to carry a full-time workload. I suspect the Lions would be in panic-and-committee mode in less than a week.

Bell's just not a legit front line NFL performer, and shouldn't be regarded as such. Dwindling returns imminent.
Jahvid Best flashed a lot of potential. If he could have stayed healthy we wouldn't be talking about guys like Bush or Bell in Detroit.

You're right that we don't have a lot to go on with Bell but he is averaging 4 YPC and 10 YPR this season and averaged 5 YPC and 9.3 YPR last year. He may not hold up under a full load but there is enough in his performance to reasonably think that there may be something to him.

I personally think people are overestimating his performance and underestimating the Redskins this week but over the long haul I don't think it is unreasonable to think Bell could be a 4.4 YPC and 7.5 YPR running back with a 60% RB workload.

 
I am starting Bush at this point. If inactives come out in the morning and Bush is Inactive I will put Bell in. I wouldn't call this game a sure win for the Lions- Last week was supposed to be a sure win also and look what happened. RG3 and Morris are much better than Palmer and Mendenhall.

 
How was last week supposed to be a sure win for the Lions? How does anyone think a road game for the Lions is ever a sure win?

Having said that, yes, I am starting Joique Bell in every league I have him, regardless of whether Bush plays or not.

 
How was last week supposed to be a sure win for the Lions? How does anyone think a road game for the Lions is ever a sure win?

Having said that, yes, I am starting Joique Bell in every league I have him, regardless of whether Bush plays or not.
I totally agree--there is no such thing as a sure win--and in this case--most Vegas casinos have the game as a pickem or Washington as a 1 point favorite.

 
I really dont understand the poll. It doesnt seem to go along with the question of the thread. Is it which one would you start Bush or Bell? or would you start Bell even if Bush plays? I need some clarification. Your question is probably causing the poll results to show thought other than what you intended.

How many people that voted actually own both Bush and Bell? I only own Bush.

 
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The Bell mania is reminiscent of the Jahvid Best mania from a few years ago.

A lot of hubbub made over a week one with a couple extremely flukey touchdowns, when the rest of his production is pretty blah, if not out-and-out useless.

Forced into any kind of full time role, Bell would find himself on the outs in a hurry. As a backup to Bush, he's going to see flukey results like he did in week one about once per decade, because he's no kind of goalline back. He was in for short TD's because of timing and natural rotational issues, not because he was a better bet to punch it in.

Owners who didn't sell EXTREMELY high on this guy within half an hour of his 2 TD performance are going to be kicking themselves all year. They might get a brief reprieve in the off chance Bush suffers a serious injury and Bell has to take over. But the relief would only last until they saw how incapable he'd be if he had to carry a full-time workload. I suspect the Lions would be in panic-and-committee mode in less than a week.

Bell's just not a legit front line NFL performer, and shouldn't be regarded as such. Dwindling returns imminent.
I don't really get this comment. You couldn't actually sell Joique Bell after week 1 because people who watch football realize that he's the COP back on the Lions and that he's not going to score 32 TDs. Yet he's also a very good player, who averaged 5 ypc last year, is maintaining 4 ypc this year, and has averaged 4 receptions a game in his short career at almost 10 ypr. In fact, he finished with 900 yards and 52 receptions last year. He's a good player in a good situation, and this week he might be in a great situation. Where's the beef?

 
Don't mind Man of Zen. He has been trashing Bell for weeks now, acting like his Week 1 performance was crap without the (what he calls fluky) touchdowns, as if we just imagined the other 89 yards and the 5 catches.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Don't mind Man of Zen. He has been trashing Bell for weeks now, acting like his Week 1 performance was crap without the (what he calls fluky) touchdowns, as if we just imagined the other 89 yards and the 5 catches.
The guy whiffs all the time.

Bell is a legit RB1 if Bush goes down and is going to be the goaline back going forward now that Bush is banged up. He has serious fantasy value going forward.

 
Ghost Rider said:
How was last week supposed to be a sure win for the Lions? How does anyone think a road game for the Lions is ever a sure win?

Having said that, yes, I am starting Joique Bell in every league I have him, regardless of whether Bush plays or no
Every web site that I saw along with every radio station here in Detroit and National show said Detroit would just roll because of the offense having so many weapons. Along with Detroit defense against Palmer and Mendenhall. I didn't say that I believed it, but a lot of people thought Bush would do better than he did week one and it wasn't close even if he hadnt gotten hurt.

 
I have Joique in as my RB2 (standard, 12, no flex), 100% positively if Bush doesn't play.

If Bush is active...I'm still almost certainly starting Joique Bell.

(but then my other options are/were MJD, Lacy, and Bernard...only one of those three is even worthy of consideration this week)

 
Ghost Rider said:
seahawk 17 said:
FF aside, why would you risk Bush against WA? Lions should win easily.
:lmao:

There is almost never such thing as an easy road win for the Lions, especially at a place they haven't won the last 18 tries.
21.... no win is easy for the lions esp on the road dumb statement LOLOLOLOLO easy win

 
I have Joique in as my RB2 (standard, 12, no flex), 100% positively if Bush doesn't play.ho

If Bush is active...I'm still almost certainly starting Joique Bell.

(but then my other options are/were MJD, Lacy, and Bernard...only one of those three is even worthy of consideration this week)
hopefully you think GIO is the play lol the other two are garbage. I love Gio going forward.

 
I have Joique in as my RB2 (standard, 12, no flex), 100% positively if Bush doesn't play.ho

If Bush is active...I'm still almost certainly starting Joique Bell.

(but then my other options are/were MJD, Lacy, and Bernard...only one of those three is even worthy of consideration this week)
hopefully you think GIO is the play lol the other two are garbage. I love Gio going forward.
Obviously Giovani is the one worthy of consideration. Jones-Drew is a sit-until-things-change guy...his health and the @SEA matchup piles on...and Lacy is almost surely going to be inactive.

All of the sudden it's week 3 and my RB2 choice comes down to my 4th-drafted RB or a WW pickup.

Such is fantasy football.

 
I have Joique in as my RB2 (standard, 12, no flex), 100% positively if Bush doesn't play.ho

If Bush is active...I'm still almost certainly starting Joique Bell.

(but then my other options are/were MJD, Lacy, and Bernard...only one of those three is even worthy of consideration this week)
hopefully you think GIO is the play lol the other two are garbage. I love Gio going forward.
Obviously Giovani is the one worthy of consideration. Jones-Drew is a sit-until-things-change guy...his health and the @SEA matchup piles on...and Lacy is almost surely going to be inactive.

All of the sudden it's week 3 and my RB2 choice comes down to my 4th-drafted RB or a WW pickup.

Such is fantasy football.
well Gio is gonna be a stud no matter where he was drafted that's irrelevant but yes he was my rb3 coming in and now he is my rb2... Im starting Bell/Gio with confidence this week.

 
Breesisdaman said:
I really dont understand the poll. It doesnt seem to go along with the question of the thread. Is it which one would you start Bush or Bell? or would you start Bell even if Bush plays? I need some clarification. Your question is probably causing the poll results to show thought other than what you intended.

How many people that voted actually own both Bush and Bell? I only own Bush.
Point taken. I own both, which is why I worded the poll that way. But you're right that the point of the thread is really "Which one has more value if both play?"

Here was my thinking: I saw lots of fantasy advice saying things like, "Bush may sit, and if he does, Bell is a high-upside play." Well, duh. The real question, IMO, is what to do if Bush does play.

Incidentally, I'm not going as far as Man of Zen, but I do think there's a little bit of Kirk Cousins Syndrome going on with Bell. He's a solid player. If he gets the start, I'll use him with confidence. But he's not Reggie Bush (if he were, they wouldn't have signed Bush in the first place), and overall, I would much rather have the better RB in my starting lineup. So if Bush plays for Detroit, he plays for me.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Breesisdaman said:
There are no easy wins in the NFL and the Lions have a terrible record at Arrowhead. They will need Bush to win that game. Bush and Bell both played for the Saints the year we had to go to Seattle in the Playoffs. (Beast mode run) Bell has talent but he isn't anywhere close to Reggie Bush. Not on the same planet.
If the Lions go to Arrowhead, I guarantee the don't beat the Redskins.
You're telling me. Do you realize that in NFL history, there's only one franchise that has EVER managed to beat the Redskins in Arrowhead?

 
I have the injured RBs S-Jax, LeVeon Bell and Lacy on the bench. I'm starting Gore and Bell and thrilled to be doing so regardless of if Bush plays. With all the leagues RB injuries I think Bell is going to start in a ton of leagues unless your playing in an 8 team league.

 
Redskins fan who will likely be playing Bell in the flex over Mendenhall and Starks.

But I have to say the talk of an easy win is laughable. The Lions are 0-21 playing on the road against the Skins. They are coming off of a 5 win season and the coach, and many players, are playing for their jobs.

The NFL is a week to week league and many are overreacting to two weeks of play. The Redskin D has been horrible but they have made some plays and if they get some help from the offense they will perform better. They started off really bad last year but turned it around in the 2nd half.

Regardless, Bell is an attractive option this week, especially if Bush sits. But I think some people are getting carried away. Bush is by far a superior player and if they both play you would have to go with him. I only have Bell and will be riding with him in the flex.

Here's to a Redskin victory and Bell having a good FF game!

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Reggie Bush (knee) is not expected to play in Sunday's Week 3 game against the Redskins.
Bush wants to play, but the Lions are being smart and holding him out against the worst defense in the league. Detroit needs Bush for the long haul. Bush owners won't be happy that he's missing one of his juiciest matchups of the season, but those same owners should have handcuffed Bush with Joique Bell. Bell will carry the load. He has serious RB1 potential with similar traits as Bush.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Saddle up, Bell owners...

 
I am starting him over Spiller...go big or go home.*

(Playing against Manning, so I am swinging for the fence.)

 
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Man of Zen said:
The Bell mania is reminiscent of the Jahvid Best mania from a few years ago.

A lot of hubbub made over a week one with a couple extremely flukey touchdowns, when the rest of his production is pretty blah, if not out-and-out useless.

Forced into any kind of full time role, Bell would find himself on the outs in a hurry. As a backup to Bush, he's going to see flukey results like he did in week one about once per decade, because he's no kind of goalline back. He was in for short TD's because of timing and natural rotational issues, not because he was a better bet to punch it in.

Owners who didn't sell EXTREMELY high on this guy within half an hour of his 2 TD performance are going to be kicking themselves all year. They might get a brief reprieve in the off chance Bush suffers a serious injury and Bell has to take over. But the relief would only last until they saw how incapable he'd be if he had to carry a full-time workload. I suspect the Lions would be in panic-and-committee mode in less than a week.

Bell's just not a legit front line NFL performer, and shouldn't be regarded as such. Dwindling returns imminent.
Love this post.

 
Man of Zen said:
The Bell mania is reminiscent of the Jahvid Best mania from a few years ago.

A lot of hubbub made over a week one with a couple extremely flukey touchdowns, when the rest of his production is pretty blah, if not out-and-out useless.

Forced into any kind of full time role, Bell would find himself on the outs in a hurry. As a backup to Bush, he's going to see flukey results like he did in week one about once per decade, because he's no kind of goalline back. He was in for short TD's because of timing and natural rotational issues, not because he was a better bet to punch it in.

Owners who didn't sell EXTREMELY high on this guy within half an hour of his 2 TD performance are going to be kicking themselves all year. They might get a brief reprieve in the off chance Bush suffers a serious injury and Bell has to take over. But the relief would only last until they saw how incapable he'd be if he had to carry a full-time workload. I suspect the Lions would be in panic-and-committee mode in less than a week.

Bell's just not a legit front line NFL performer, and shouldn't be regarded as such. Dwindling returns imminent.
86 total yards, 1 touchdown and 2 catches in the first quarter. What were you saying?

 

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