Archie Manning (1 Viewer)

[Morton Muffley]

OK, I've heard Archie Manning's name mentioned a few times over the last few weeks and on two or three of those occassions it was preceded by the moniker "former NFL MVP."

Well, this just didn't seem right to me given what little I knew about Archie Manning's career (no playoff appearnaces, right?) and the favoritism of awarding this honor to good players on great teams.

So I googled "Archie Manning NFL MVP" and sure enough got a bunch of hits, but none of them linked to anything definitive - mostly just bios for speaking engagements. So I looked up the NFL MVP award on Wikipedia (a suspect source I'll admit) and could not find Archie Manning's name listed next to any of the many annual MVP awards (AP, UPI, Pro Football Writers of America, National Enterprise Association, etc.).

So, I'm asking my fellow FBGers with better googling skills to help me figure out what organization gave Mr. Manning this MVP (was it voted on by the Manning family, his Saints teammmates, the sportswriters of the Times-Picayune?)

Thanks in advance.

 

[JohnDoe]

Saints History

 

[JohnDoe]

UPI NFC POY

 

[IM666]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

 

[Morton Muffley]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

Looks to me like he might have won the NFC Player of the Year award and he has (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed that to morph into the NFL MVP award. Does anyone else here think that Mr. Manning is wrong to have done/allowed this?

 

[MDSkinner]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

Looks to me like he might have won the NFC Player of the Year award and he has (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed that to morph into the NFL MVP award. Does anyone else here think that Mr. Manning is wrong to have done/allowed this?

He had a pretty horrible record as a starter thanks to the teams he was on. I say let the old guy fool himself into an NFL MVP. Why should anyone care?

 

[massraider]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

Looks to me like he might have won the NFC Player of the Year award and he has (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed that to morph into the NFL MVP award. Does anyone else here think that Mr. Manning is wrong to have done/allowed this?

Unless you have proof that Archie has promoted himself as a league MVP, then no. It's not his job to run around demanding retractions every time some writer is in error.As long as we are looking for really obscure things to get upset about, shouldn't we be upset that we are being misled by these hack journalists??

Archie got his ### beat for his entire career, for lousy teams, and was a warrior. Getting mistakenly called an NFL MVP? Yeah, I think I'll let him slide.

 

[Morton Muffley]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

Looks to me like he might have won the NFC Player of the Year award and he has (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed that to morph into the NFL MVP award. Does anyone else here think that Mr. Manning is wrong to have done/allowed this?

Unless you have proof that Archie has promoted himself as a league MVP, then no. It's not his job to run around demanding retractions every time some writer is in error.As long as we are looking for really obscure things to get upset about, shouldn't we be upset that we are being misled by these hack journalists??

Archie got his ### beat for his entire career, for lousy teams, and was a warrior. Getting mistakenly called an NFL MVP? Yeah, I think I'll let him slide.

First, I'm not upset, so please don't misconstrue my level of investment in this.As for hack journalists, I'm sure there is some of that here and I'd agree that's not his responsibility, but since many of the hits I found appear to be websites that are promoting him as a speaker then I think he has an obligation in those instances to set the record straight. After all, these people are representing him (I imagine) and if they are promoting him as an NFL MVP then that's wrong and its his obligation to correct it and ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I'm not trying to bring the man down, just thought it was interesting that this NFL MVP moniker seems to be out there erroneously.

 

[Morton Muffley]

at the risk of beating a dead horse...here's a link to a site that will place Mr. Manning as a speaker for your event...cost is $30k-$50k...and he's listed as an "All-American and NFL MVP"

http://www.kepplerspeakers.com/speakers/sp...rs.asp?1+EV+675

The company says they "represent" various speakers so I'm assuming that there's some contractual arrangement between the company and Mr. Manning and that Mr. Manning has some responsiblity for how he is presented.

 

[massraider]

According to Wikipedia (NFL MVP), no. Is League MVP (as stated in the link provided by JohnDoe) different than the NFL MVP?

Looks to me like he might have won the NFC Player of the Year award and he has (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed that to morph into the NFL MVP award. Does anyone else here think that Mr. Manning is wrong to have done/allowed this?

Unless you have proof that Archie has promoted himself as a league MVP, then no. It's not his job to run around demanding retractions every time some writer is in error.As long as we are looking for really obscure things to get upset about, shouldn't we be upset that we are being misled by these hack journalists??

Archie got his ### beat for his entire career, for lousy teams, and was a warrior. Getting mistakenly called an NFL MVP? Yeah, I think I'll let him slide.

First, I'm not upset, so please don't misconstrue my level of investment in this.As for hack journalists, I'm sure there is some of that here and I'd agree that's not his responsibility, but since many of the hits I found appear to be websites that are promoting him as a speaker then I think he has an obligation in those instances to set the record straight. After all, these people are representing him (I imagine) and if they are promoting him as an NFL MVP then that's wrong and its his obligation to correct it and ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I'm not trying to bring the man down, just thought it was interesting that this NFL MVP moniker seems to be out there erroneously.

If he is a paid speaker, those that put together the website are not representing him in any way. At all. If they are promoting him as an NFL MVP, that's their mistake. It's really not Archie's job to comb every website that mentions him.

 

[Godsbrother]

I watched a bunch of Saints games when he played. They always said he was a great QB on a lousy team. The Saints were truly a horrible team but I never saw much evidence that he was great either.

 

[Mikey16x]

Yea im young... so i never got to see him play... only glimpses on espn classics.. from the look of it i think its safe to say he was the worst out of the manning family... which still isn't too shabby.

 

[tombonneau]

Here's a link to his bio on the All American Speakers network:

http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/speaker...hie_Manning.php

His detailed bio states:

Archie Manning was the League's Most Valuable Player in 1978 and participated in two Pro Bowls.

To the person who said earlier it's not Archie's fault what people print in his bio, I work in marketing and have done some event marketing. I've had to post bios of lots of people on websites. And these people are INSANELY meticulous that everything in their bio appear just so. The latest update they want.And these weren't people commanding $20k-30k an appearance.

So yes, I'm sure Team Manning signed off on this copy.

Could be an innocent mistake, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[gump]

Archie is hired to speak because people admire what he has accomplished...as a player, a philanthropist, a husband, and a father.

What entity named him MVP has no bearing on his demand.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

I watched a bunch of Saints games when he played. They always said he was a great QB on a lousy team. The Saints were truly a horrible team but I never saw much evidence that he was great either.

I saw the saints play a few times and i thought he was terrific. He was always running for his life and making plays. Kind of like a poor man's brett favre. No doubt in my mind if he had switched teams with Bradshaw he would have at leats four rings and a bust in the hall of fame.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Yea im young... so i never got to see him play... only glimpses on espn classics.. from the look of it i think its safe to say he was the worst out of the manning family... which still isn't too shabby.

As someone who watched the NFL when he played, I think he was more athletic than his sons. The game is much different now so please don't look at stats (Johnny Unitas' stats look poor compared to todays qb's).

 

[Phil From Loreauville]

Got to chime in here a little.

As a life-time Saints fan, I watched Archie throughout his career as a kid. He was always my hero growing up. As someone said earlier, he was great quarterback on a lousy team. But he was always a class act. He was always a competitor. During the year of "The Bagheads" he was always giving it his all every play. During the games you could just see his determination trying to get his offense motivated. I also remember an incident where he actually chased a defensive lineman off the field. A Detroit player had allegedly tried to step on his hand during the play. In my mind I can still picture Archie, arms swinging wildly on the heals of the big lineman.

And, a little fessing up.

I'm the webmaster of the site with the Archie Manning article first mentioned in this thread. After reading some of the posts, I went back and did a little research. It was actually Terry Bradshaw that was named league AP MVP in 1978. Here is a link.

What can I say, I bought into the lie.

I have changed my article accordingly.

And one more thing before I go.......it has nothing to do with Archie though.

I can not find a contact link anywhere at all on this site. I'd like to see if I could get my site listed on the Links Page. Is there a way to contact the webmaster of Footballguys?

 

[MarshallRob]

Of the four MVP awards given at the time, Terry Bradshaw won the AP and the Maxwell Trophy awards while Earl Campbell won the Pro Football Writers and the Newspaper Enterprise Association awards.

As someone already posted, Archie Manning was the UPI NFC Offensive Player of the Year. Randy White was the UPI NFC Defensive Player of the Year while the AFC winners were Campbell and Randy Gradishar.

I see no way to claim Manning won an MVP award in 1978.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Archie is hired to speak because people admire what he has accomplished...as a player, a philanthropist, a husband, and a father.What entity named him MVP has no bearing on his demand.

First, it's not a matter of WHICH entity named him MVP...the point is that NO entity named him MVP.Second, I'll agree with you that having won or not won the award has little/no bearing on his demand.Still, there are several well-known cases of famous individuals lying about biographical data (degrees earned, awards/medals received) that appear to have been wholly unnecessary resume padding, but are instructive/interesting nonetheless.This may not be one of those cases, but I think it certainly warrants further inspection that I'm either incapable of or uninterested in giving.Frankly, I'm surprsied that there aren't more people on this site that find this as interesting as I do. And I do mean interested...not shocked, not enraged, not insulted, not offended. So those of you who are wondering why I'm so outraged by this travesty of justice [sarcasm alert], please save your strawman hyperbole for another thread.Thanks.

 

[IM666]

I'm the webmaster of the site with the Archie Manning article first mentioned in this thread. After reading some of the posts, I went back and did a little research. It was actually Terry Bradshaw that was named league AP MVP in 1978. Here is a link.

What can I say, I bought into the lie.

I have changed my article accordingly.

No worries, in fact, with some minor editing, you could have it read "father of a two time NFL MVP".

 

[Phil From Loreauville]

Maybe Archie got slammed so many times back in the day that his mental faculties don't work and he doesn't realize he wasn't MVP.

 

[gump]

Archie is hired to speak because people admire what he has accomplished...as a player, a philanthropist, a husband, and a father.What entity named him MVP has no bearing on his demand.

First, it's not a matter of WHICH entity named him MVP...the point is that NO entity named him MVP.Second, I'll agree with you that having won or not won the award has little/no bearing on his demand.Still, there are several well-known cases of famous individuals lying about biographical data (degrees earned, awards/medals received) that appear to have been wholly unnecessary resume padding, but are instructive/interesting nonetheless.This may not be one of those cases, but I think it certainly warrants further inspection that I'm either incapable of or uninterested in giving.

What impact would having that tidbit on or off his resume make either way?George O'Leary was different.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Archie is hired to speak because people admire what he has accomplished...as a player, a philanthropist, a husband, and a father.What entity named him MVP has no bearing on his demand.

First, it's not a matter of WHICH entity named him MVP...the point is that NO entity named him MVP.Second, I'll agree with you that having won or not won the award has little/no bearing on his demand.Still, there are several well-known cases of famous individuals lying about biographical data (degrees earned, awards/medals received) that appear to have been wholly unnecessary resume padding, but are instructive/interesting nonetheless.This may not be one of those cases, but I think it certainly warrants further inspection that I'm either incapable of or uninterested in giving.

What impact would having that tidbit on or off his resume make either way?George O'Leary was different.

How is George O'Leary terribly different. Do you think that O'Leary having a masters degree contributed greatly to his being hired as a football coach at Notre Dame? What about Admiral Boorda? Did his wearing of medals he didn't deserve significantly impact his rise up the ranks of the U.S. Navy. In both these cases, I doubt that the either of these falsifications had any great impact on their ability to become what they were. So why do it, then? Well, I think it speaks to a certain boastfulness and a small white lie that can get out of hand as a person get more famous. In any event, I brought this up because the subject fascinates me on this level. That's all.

 

[mozzy84]

fake nfl mvp or not, if it wasn't for his two sons no one would want to hear him speak.

 

[Morton Muffley]

fake nfl mvp or not, if it wasn't for his two sons no one would want to hear him speak.

lol, true

 

[Doug B]

fake nfl mvp or not, if it wasn't for his two sons no one would want to hear him speak.

lol, true

Untrue -- dude's been making a living as a hired speaker for over 20 years.

 

[Morton Muffley]

fake nfl mvp or not, if it wasn't for his two sons no one would want to hear him speak.

lol, true

Untrue -- dude's been making a living as a hired speaker for over 20 years.

fair enough, but no doubt his rates and target market have increased dramatically over the last 5-10 years, no?I know he is a hero in NO and I'm sure one could make a pretty good living playing to that crowd (as well as the Ole Miss faithful), so while not technically true I think the point made by mozzy is a valid one. after all, the statement "no one would want to him hear him speak" is obviously not true of anyone. that is, the world is big enough and diverse enough that there is an audience (however small) for just about anyone.