Archie says Peyton doesn't want to be Luck's teammate (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Archie Manning believes Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck do not want to be teammates on the Colts next season.

Luck has participated in the Manning Passing Academy in Louisiana. His father, Oliver, was a teammate of Archie's, so the families may have already touched base on the possibility. Despite team president Bill Polian's comments to the contrary, the Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz has been adamant that Manning and Luck can't co-exist in Indy next season. It's quite possible that Manning and the Colts could be headed toward a divorce in an offseason of major rebuilding. Dec 6 - 2:18 PM

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

I ask why not? Does he feel threatened by Luck? Isn't he the great Peyton Manning?

 

[whatadai]

Luck is considered the most pro-ready QB to come out since Peyton Manning...in other words, he doesn't want to sit his rookie year. Peyton Manning isn't done with his career yet even if everyone thinks he is and doesn't want to sit and mentor anyone either; he's not looking to be a coach, he's looking to be the best QB ever.

 

[pantherclub]

This would be a cool argument if we knew that Manning could play.

3 neck surgeries in a year. The Colts would be absolute fools to pass on Luck and nobody expects them to. Peter King said today on Cowherd he did even think 3 #1 picks would pry the pick away from Polian.

 

[identikit]

Archie needs to shut up.

A real tool.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Archie Manning believes Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck do not want to be teammates on the Colts next season.Luck has participated in the Manning Passing Academy in Louisiana. His father, Oliver, was a teammate of Archie's, so the families may have already touched base on the possibility. Despite team president Bill Polian's comments to the contrary, the Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz has been adamant that Manning and Luck can't co-exist in Indy next season. It's quite possible that Manning and the Colts could be headed toward a divorce in an offseason of major rebuilding. Dec 6 - 2:18 PMSource: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.comI ask why not? Does he feel threatened by Luck? Isn't he the great Peyton Manning?

Favre and Rogers co-existed or so I thought. It would mean Luck would have to wait his turn to take the reins so I can see it from his point of view, also Manning would know his days are numbered as a starter so I can also see his point of view. More importantly, if Manning is truly able to play at the same level again it is quite possible he could be traded away to another team and not control his destiny. They might trade him to a team that stinks even more than the Colts do. I do think the Colts will do this eventually because it makes too much sense.

 

[Polar Dude]

Archie needs to shut up.A real tool.

I agree. What kind of girls did he raise that they still need their daddy to look out for them?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Honestly if I were the Colts I would just have to move Manning or just flat out cut him if this became an issue.

 

[mjr]

I thought Manning stated he wouldn't have an issue with Indy drafting Luck. Deep down I wouldn't blame him if he did have an issue, but I think Manning is too much of a team player/leader to sprial into a prima donna act like this.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like Andrew and Peyton have their parents involved in their lives too much

 

[FavreCo]

Honestly if I were the Colts I would just have to move Manning or just flat out cut him if this became an issue.

They got issues because it's like a 29M cap hit in 2012 and 20M in 2013.

 

[Chairshot]

I think it's stupid for the Colts to carry both QBs.

If they want to rebuild, they think Luck is the real deal and will be their QB for the next 10 years, then they should go with Luck.

If they still think they can compete now with a healthy Peyton, they should roll with Peyton and either take the pick or take Luck and trade him like Elway/Eli.

I get the idea that you always want to stockpile talent, but it's next to impossible to keep 2 front line starters at QB on a team without a hassle.

People talk about the Favre/Rodgers situation as an example of how Luck could sit for a couple years and learn. That situation was a mess from jump street. Honestly, looking back on it, the Packers have to be kicking themselves for not just committing to Rodgers right out of the gate.

They have to make a choice regarding the direction of their team and pick the QB that fits that direction. Trying to keep both will be a mess.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Archie Peyton can come to New Orleans and back up Brees and Daniel.

Long time ago now but Archie said he did not want Peyton playing for the Saints, who had a chance at drafting Peyton before he came out (Peyton went back to Tenn. for another year). Then Archie called the shot on Eli. This is a family business and often times it has seemed more about Archie and reliving what he went through (or rather not - don't want to end up like Archie: drafted by a dead-end franchise, traded away unceremoniously to the trash-heap of another dead-end franchise before retirement, always described as doing less than they could have) than the sons. Seriously.

 

[pantherclub]

I thought Manning stated he wouldn't have an issue with Indy drafting Luck. Deep down I wouldn't blame him if he did have an issue, but I think Manning is too much of a team player/leader to sprial into a prima donna act like this.

You know what is funny in all of this, its something that nobody is talking about.Manning encouraged Luck to go back to school to learn and not get drafted by the Panthers. Thats pretty rich.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Why would Manning want the Colts to draft Luck? I can hardly think of a worse way to help Manning win a title with the Colts then by having Indy take Luck with the first pick.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think it's stupid for the Colts to carry both QBs.

If they want to rebuild, they think Luck is the real deal and will be their QB for the next 10 years, then they should go with Luck.

If they still think they can compete now with a healthy Peyton, they should roll with Peyton and either take the pick or take Luck and trade him like Elway/Eli.

I get the idea that you always want to stockpile talent, but it's next to impossible to keep 2 front line starters at QB on a team without a hassle.

People talk about the Favre/Rodgers situation as an example of how Luck could sit for a couple years and learn. That situation was a mess from jump street. Honestly, looking back on it, the Packers have to be kicking themselves for not just committing to Rodgers right out of the gate.

They have to make a choice regarding the direction of their team and pick the QB that fits that direction. Trying to keep both will be a mess.

I disagree with that. Who knows how much sitting actually benefitted him? That time is what could have very well made him who he is today.

Back to the Luck/ Manning part...if they feel like Luck is the next Manning then as a franchise you HAVE to pick AND keep him. QB's like that do not grow on trees and it could be forever until they see another shot like this.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think it's stupid for the Colts to carry both QBs.

If they want to rebuild, they think Luck is the real deal and will be their QB for the next 10 years, then they should go with Luck.

If they still think they can compete now with a healthy Peyton, they should roll with Peyton and either take the pick or take Luck and trade him like Elway/Eli.

I get the idea that you always want to stockpile talent, but it's next to impossible to keep 2 front line starters at QB on a team without a hassle.

People talk about the Favre/Rodgers situation as an example of how Luck could sit for a couple years and learn. That situation was a mess from jump street. Honestly, looking back on it, the Packers have to be kicking themselves for not just committing to Rodgers right out of the gate.

They have to make a choice regarding the direction of their team and pick the QB that fits that direction. Trying to keep both will be a mess.

I disagree with that. Who knows how much sitting actually benefitted him? That time is what could have very well made him who he is today.

Back to the Luck/ Manning part...if they feel like Luck is the next Manning then as a franchise you HAVE to pick AND keep him. QB's like that do not grow on trees and it could be forever until they see another shot like this.

True, Rodgers, the No. 28 or so overall pick might have learned a thing or two under Favre... and that might have just helped make him the QB he is today.

 

[Neofight]

Why would Manning want the Colts to draft Luck? I can hardly think of a worse way to help Manning win a title with the Colts then by having Indy take Luck with the first pick.

I think the question is can Peyton even fathom winning a title with the Colts (regardless of who they draft or how many picks they make this year). That team is not a playoff contender even with Peyton at the helm. If he is concerned about titles and/or being viewed as the greatest ever (an even tougher road to hoe), he might just want to look at what teams can actually field a contender in the short term and are in need of a top tier QB (and willing to spend the $ on a calculated risk). In this scenario I could see why he might want the Colts to draft Luck

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Archie needs to focus on his son getting healthy and stay out of trying to make drama. Manning is one hit away from paralysis, he should be more concerned about that...

 

[Hoosier16]

Archie needs to focus on his son getting healthy and stay out of trying to make drama. Manning is one hit away from paralysis, he should be more concerned about that...

You can't get more dramatic than that.

 

[Hoosier16]

Archie Manning believes Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck do not want to be teammates on the Colts next season.Luck has participated in the Manning Passing Academy in Louisiana. His father, Oliver, was a teammate of Archie's, so the families may have already touched base on the possibility. Despite team president Bill Polian's comments to the contrary, the Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz has been adamant that Manning and Luck can't co-exist in Indy next season. It's quite possible that Manning and the Colts could be headed toward a divorce in an offseason of major rebuilding. Dec 6 - 2:18 PMSource: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.comI ask why not? Does he feel threatened by Luck? Isn't he the great Peyton Manning?

It looks like profootballtalk made a giant leap here. They lead with "Archie doesn't think . . .", but support it with a statement from a writer for the Indianapols Star. Did Archie actually say anything?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Why would Manning want the Colts to draft Luck? I can hardly think of a worse way to help Manning win a title with the Colts then by having Indy take Luck with the first pick.

I think the question is can Peyton even fathom winning a title with the Colts (regardless of who they draft or how many picks they make this year). That team is not a playoff contender even with Peyton at the helm. If he is concerned about titles and/or being viewed as the greatest ever (an even tougher road to hoe), he might just want to look at what teams can actually field a contender in the short term and are in need of a top tier QB (and willing to spend the $ on a calculated risk). In this scenario I could see why he might want the Colts to draft Luck

Could the Colts win the title next season with Peyton Manning and a 3 new first round picks? Probably.Trade Luck for Cleveland's two first round picks -- maybe the 8th and the 20th (from Atlanta) -- along with the Browns 2013 first. Take the 2013 first and your own 4th rounder and trade it for a late 2012 first. The Colts with the 8th, 20th and 25th picks in the draft -- plus the core from 2010 -- could compete for a SB next year if Peyton is back. I'm sure that's what Manning thinks they should do if they are planning on keeping him on the team.

 

[Pots]

Honestly if I were the Colts I would just have to move Manning or just flat out cut him if this became an issue.

They got issues because it's like a 29M cap hit in 2012 and 20M in 2013.

No. Cutting him isn't a possibility. If they really wanted tog et rid of him, at least a half-dozen teams would be clamoring to offer trades for him. This is a QB starved league, look at what the Cards gave up for Kolb. Can you imagine what a team would give up to get Peyton even with the risks?

 

[Neofight]

Why would Manning want the Colts to draft Luck? I can hardly think of a worse way to help Manning win a title with the Colts then by having Indy take Luck with the first pick.

I think the question is can Peyton even fathom winning a title with the Colts (regardless of who they draft or how many picks they make this year). That team is not a playoff contender even with Peyton at the helm. If he is concerned about titles and/or being viewed as the greatest ever (an even tougher road to hoe), he might just want to look at what teams can actually field a contender in the short term and are in need of a top tier QB (and willing to spend the $ on a calculated risk). In this scenario I could see why he might want the Colts to draft Luck

Could the Colts win the title next season with Peyton Manning and a 3 new first round picks? Probably.Trade Luck for Cleveland's two first round picks -- maybe the 8th and the 20th (from Atlanta) -- along with the Browns 2013 first. Take the 2013 first and your own 4th rounder and trade it for a late 2012 first.

The Colts with the 8th, 20th and 25th picks in the draft -- plus the core from 2010 -- could compete for a SB next year if Peyton is back. I'm sure that's what Manning thinks they should do if they are planning on keeping him on the team.

Probably? I would say possibly; if all three firsts panned out (how is the Colts recent first round draft pick track record?) and Peyton is at or near 100%. Both of those are large question marks and don't begin to address other issues (e.g., coaching).I'd say there is less than a 25% chance of Peyton coming back and winning a title, with the Colts.

 

[joffer]

Archie Manning believes Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck do not want to be teammates on the Colts next season.Luck has participated in the Manning Passing Academy in Louisiana. His father, Oliver, was a teammate of Archie's, so the families may have already touched base on the possibility. Despite team president Bill Polian's comments to the contrary, the Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz has been adamant that Manning and Luck can't co-exist in Indy next season. It's quite possible that Manning and the Colts could be headed toward a divorce in an offseason of major rebuilding. Dec 6 - 2:18 PMSource: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.comI ask why not? Does he feel threatened by Luck? Isn't he the great Peyton Manning?

It looks like profootballtalk made a giant leap here. They lead with "Archie doesn't think . . .", but support it with a statement from a writer for the Indianapols Star. Did Archie actually say anything?

Please take your logic elsewhere, we're busy overreacting and criticizing based on speculation

 

[Boston]

Just heard the actual audio of this and I have zero issues with what he said because he's right...to sum it up Peyton isn't looking to be a mentor and Luck isn't looking to sit on the bench especially when you look at the success rookie Qbs are having this year...he had nothing but positive things to say about the kid and the conversation had nothing negative to it...

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Archie needs to focus on his son getting healthy and stay out of trying to make drama. Manning is one hit away from paralysis, he should be more concerned about that...

You can't get more dramatic than that.

Archie would love my post then.

 

[middleweightcontender]

Does Archie have to speak up every time his kids have an issue? I like Peyton but does he really need his dad talking ####?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Does Archie have to speak up every time his kids have an issue? I like Peyton but does he really need his dad talking ####?

Media people ask him questions and he answers.

Long time ago now but Archie said he did not want Peyton playing for the Saints, who had a chance at drafting Peyton before he came out (Peyton went back to Tenn. for another year). Then Archie called the shot on Eli. This is a family business and often times it has seemed more about Archie and reliving what he went through (or rather not - don't want to end up like Archie: drafted by a dead-end franchise, traded away unceremoniously to the trash-heap of another dead-end franchise before retirement, always described as doing less than they could have) than the sons. Seriously.

Pretty sure he's just a dad trying to look out for his sons.

 

[identikit]

Does Archie have to speak up every time his kids have an issue? I like Peyton but does he really need his dad talking ####?

Media people ask him questions and he answers.

Long time ago now but Archie said he did not want Peyton playing for the Saints, who had a chance at drafting Peyton before he came out (Peyton went back to Tenn. for another year). Then Archie called the shot on Eli. This is a family business and often times it has seemed more about Archie and reliving what he went through (or rather not - don't want to end up like Archie: drafted by a dead-end franchise, traded away unceremoniously to the trash-heap of another dead-end franchise before retirement, always described as doing less than they could have) than the sons. Seriously.

Pretty sure he's just a dad trying to look out for his sons.

He doesn't have to do that through the media.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Archie is an attention whore.

 

[Getinthemix]

Archie Peyton can come to New Orleans and back up Brees and Daniel.

Long time ago now but Archie said he did not want Peyton playing for the Saints, who had a chance at drafting Peyton before he came out (Peyton went back to Tenn. for another year). Then Archie called the shot on Eli. This is a family business and often times it has seemed more about Archie and reliving what he went through (or rather not - don't want to end up like Archie: drafted by a dead-end franchise, traded away unceremoniously to the trash-heap of another dead-end franchise before retirement, always described as doing less than they could have) than the sons. Seriously.

The Saints picked 10th that year and took Chris Naeole. Peyton was considered a shoo-in #1 pick going into that draft.

 

[Big_Russel]

Peyton has always been a me first kind of dude imo.

That said... if he still thinks he has a lot left, I dont blame him. But that remains to be seen. Personally, I think he's finished.

 

[Tau837]

Saw Bob Kravitz on PTI, and he made a strong case that the Colts need to choose between them. He outlined three scenarios:

1. Go all in for another title with Manning within the next few years. Obviously, the Colts can only do this if they are certain he will be healthy (and be able to stay healthy while playing a few more seasons).

Kravitz didn't discuss this part, but if this is the option the Colts choose, Chase's scenario makes sense. It doesn't have to be to win the Super Bowl following the 2012 season... in theory, Manning could play another 3-4 years if he is indeed healthy and can stay healthy. Maybe the Super Bowl following the 2013 season would be a more realistic target.

This is a high risk option, because of both Manning's health and because of the money they will continue to have tied up in his contract. And the Colts' draft record over the past 3-4 years has not been strong, but this strategy would require that those picks pan out.

2. Draft Luck and do not keep Manning.

Kravitz didn't say this, but I assume this would mean releasing him. If the Colts don't have the confidence to stick with him, I seriously doubt any other team will be willing to take on his contract as is at his age and with him coming off three neck surgeries in 19 months and with his health obviously in doubt. I suppose it's possible Manning could rework his contract to facilitate his trade. Kravitz mentioned that potential places he could play if he doesn't stay with the Colts (and he can play) might be Washington (heck, Snyder might accept the contract as is) or Tennessee (since Manning played at UT).

Back to Luck, this strategy would set the Colts up for another 10-15 years of strong QB play, which would enable them to rebuild in the near term and get in position to contend in a few years. The recent success of Newton and Dalton, and to a lesser extent Bradford, also reinforces the fact that QBs don't necessarily need to sit to have a chance to be successful. And we all know Luck is touted as the most pro ready QB since Elway, etc. He could play from day one.

Although a draft pick is never truly a sure thing, this is a lower risk route from the standpoint of having a good, healthy QB in both the near term and long term, and they would spend far less on the QB position for the next four years, freeing up money to go to others.

3. Draft Luck and keep Manning, provided he reworks his contract. Kravitz said this was possible, but he does not think it's a good idea. It isn't fully committing to either going for another title or rebuilding, and it creates potential for (a) friction between Manning and Luck and (b) division in the locker room and fan base. Meanwhile, it forces one of the team's best players (assuming Manning can actually play) to be on the bench at all times. And it commits the most money of these options to the QB position.

IMO the Colts should go with option 2.

I also think if I were Luck, I would not want to go to the Colts. It is obviously an awful team, and he would either follow a legend or have to co-exist with him uncomfortably on that bad team. He and Oliver should take a page from the Mannings' book and refuse to sign with the Colts... given that the Colts currently have Manning, it might just encourage them to go with option 1.

 

[Dizzy]

This would be a cool argument if we knew that Manning could play.3 neck surgeries in a year. The Colts would be absolute fools to pass on Luck and nobody expects them to. Peter King said today on Cowherd he did even think 3 #1 picks would pry the pick away from Polian.

I've seen the list of players who have had their careers ENDED by neck fusion... haven't seen a list of players that have come back to play from it. I truly believe Manning is finished. It's terrible to think about... you hate to see it end like this, but I think it's over.Colts are fortunate to be in position to draft Luck. It's a no-brainer... Matt Millen couldn't screw this one up.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Colts are fortunate to be in position to draft Luck. It's a no-brainer... Matt Millen couldn't screw this one up.

They absolutely could. Meet Alshon Jeffery, the 1st overall pick!

 

[YouthofToday]

The answer is pretty clear to me: Archie knows the Colts suck and Peyton is not enough to turn this team around. If Peyton wants to win another Super Bowl he needs to go to another team.

Imagine Peyton on the Dolphins, Jets, 49ers or Redskins.

Peyton to San Francisco makes a ton of sense if Jim Harbaugh is willing to share the offense with him.

 

[The Hank]

The answer is pretty clear to me: Archie knows the Colts suck and Peyton is not enough to turn this team around. If Peyton wants to win another Super Bowl he needs to go to another team.Imagine Peyton on the Dolphins, Jets, 49ers or Redskins.Peyton to San Francisco makes a ton of sense if Jim Harbaugh is willing to share the offense with him.

Manning to San Fran, with that Defense, would be deadly....

 

[Kiddnets]

I also believe Peyton is no lock to play again....and if he does he is one hit away from the end. That vs the best young QB prospect to come out in some time to lead your team for another 15 years? No brainer....time will heal all wounds - trade Peyton if you can or let him go but its over.

 

[golfguy]

peyton needs to learn that he doesn't own the team. he plays for the team.

I'm actually surprised no one really talks about him signing that huge contract and then not playing. I'm wondering if the sentiment would be the same if it was vick?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

peyton needs to learn that he doesn't own the team. he plays for the team.I'm actually surprised no one really talks about him signing that huge contract and then not playing. I'm wondering if the sentiment would be the same if it was vick?

Why do people put their fantasy teams in the signature? Especially those that take up half of the page.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Archie was behind the power-play with Eli where he instructed Eli how to leverage his was out of San Deigo.

For Eli to get to New York it took someone like Archie to be the front man to manipulate the mindset of the SD and NYG camps.

I think Archie is doing the same thing with Luck-IND and setting the table for the Colts to trade the rights of Luck. Archie has a biased interest in Peyton. Peyton's best shot at continued success is staying with Indy. Peyton runs/ran that show and you can't argue with the offensive success and the absence of Peyton proves how much he is missed on that team.

Luck, no matter how talented he is, would be screwed. He would not only be replacing a ledgend but look at the situation in Indy. Even if Luck could somehow get that team to win half of their games, if he raised an 0-16 team to 8-8 in any other city he would be crowned king of that city all around the NFL as the new savior, but not in Indy because Peyton could do that so Luck would have to exclipse the impossible.

If Peyton is healthy the best thing they could do is dish the rights to Luck. They can't trade Peyton because his $28 million bonus is due in March meaning they would be on the hook for the entire $28 in 2012 so they would have to cut many high priced vets just to get rid of Manning which would screw Luck even more.

Manning so far has not renegotiated his bonus meaning the Colts will have to make a decision on the status of Peyton first before anything else. Its a really big decision with severe concequences. The best possible world for the Colts is if Manning comes back healthy and they trade the rights to Luck so the team would get an immediate shot in the arm having Peyton back and get additional ammo to make a Super Bowl run.

The best they could hope for if they cut Manning and drafted Luck is possibly a .500 season and a long rebuild. A rookie can't do what Peyton Manning does on that Indy offense. A rookie can't run up scores to set the table for the smaller speedy Indy defense to pin its ears back. The entire team is built around Manning. Eventually they have to make the transition and having three first round picks and a young QB along with an offensive lineman and a defender would go a long way to making that transition and that is what they could ask for in trading the rights of Luck away.

If they just cut Peyton then Manning is screwed because he would not have the type of control that he has in Indy. He doesn't want to go and I don't think he will make it easy for the Colts to cut him so I don't think he will renegotiate his contract. So if they cut him and go with Luck then I think Luck is screwed in Indy. He would always be compared with Peyton and I don't think any rookie would be as valuable as Peyton is to that team.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Archie was behind the power-play with Eli where he instructed Eli how to leverage his was out of San Deigo. For Eli to get to New York it took someone like Archie to be the front man to manipulate the mindset of the SD and NYG camps.I think Archie is doing the same thing with Luck-IND and setting the table for the Colts to trade the rights of Luck. Archie has a biased interest in Peyton. Peyton's best shot at continued success is staying with Indy. Peyton runs/ran that show and you can't argue with the offensive success and the absence of Peyton proves how much he is missed on that team.Luck, no matter how talented he is, would be screwed. He would not only be replacing a ledgend but look at the situation in Indy. Even if Luck could somehow get that team to win half of their games, if he raised an 0-16 team to 8-8 in any other city he would be crowned king of that city all around the NFL as the new savior, but not in Indy because Peyton could do that so Luck would have to exclipse the impossible. If Peyton is healthy the best thing they could do is dish the rights to Luck. They can't trade Peyton because his $28 million bonus is due in March meaning they would be on the hook for the entire $28 in 2012 so they would have to cut many high priced vets just to get rid of Manning which would screw Luck even more. Manning so far has not renegotiated his bonus meaning the Colts will have to make a decision on the status of Peyton first before anything else. Its a really big decision with severe concequences. The best possible world for the Colts is if Manning comes back healthy and they trade the rights to Luck so the team would get an immediate shot in the arm having Peyton back and get additional ammo to make a Super Bowl run.The best they could hope for if they cut Manning and drafted Luck is possibly a .500 season and a long rebuild. A rookie can't do what Peyton Manning does on that Indy offense. A rookie can't run up scores to set the table for the smaller speedy Indy defense to pin its ears back. The entire team is built around Manning. Eventually they have to make the transition and having three first round picks and a young QB along with an offensive lineman and a defender would go a long way to making that transition and that is what they could ask for in trading the rights of Luck away.If they just cut Peyton then Manning is screwed because he would not have the type of control that he has in Indy. He doesn't want to go and I don't think he will make it easy for the Colts to cut him so I don't think he will renegotiate his contract. So if they cut him and go with Luck then I think Luck is screwed in Indy. He would always be compared with Peyton and I don't think any rookie would be as valuable as Peyton is to that team.

The Colts won't trade the rights to Luck, so get that out of your head right now. If anyone goes, it's Manning. You don't give up another 15 years of great QB play for a guy at the end of his rope, or has already let go of it.

 

[Dexter Manley]

From what I've read, Manning is untradeable because the Colts would have to take around a 38 million dollar cap hit.

So basically the writing is on the wall that the Colts will have to trade Luck or release Manning.

 

[todisco1]

I'm actually surprised no one really talks about him signing that huge contract and then not playing. I'm wondering if the sentiment would be the same if it was vick?

I don't understand the point here. Are you suggesting Manning is physically able to play but choosing not to, or that he should give his money back because he is hurt? None of this makes any sense to me.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The Colts won't trade the rights to Luck, so get that out of your head right now. If anyone goes, it's Manning. You don't give up another 15 years of great QB play for a guy at the end of his rope, or has already let go of it.

I would agree in most other cases but not in this one.Look at that team. How could they go from perrennial double didgit winning playoff seasons to 0-16 overnight? It is obvious the reason is Peyton Manning. When Tom Brady went down the Pats still had a double didgit winning season and made the playoffs. The Colts are nothing, virtually and literally, NOTHING without Peyton Manning. No matter how good Luck is, he is not Peyton Manning. That team will struggle until they do major revisions in too many areas to mention. Luck does not = ManningPeople think because Peyton was great and that Luck is considered great that Luck = Manning.No.If Manning is healthy the smartest thing the Colts could do is make the best possible deal for the rights to Luck where they also get a young QB to act as a bridge as they rebuild with Peyton.Big question is whether or not Peyton can come back healthy and its still up in the air or else Peyton would have already retired but he hasn't so he is holding out hope and the Colts would have distanced themselves from him instead of having him on the sidelines and up in the booth and at practice. You don't do that with a guy you plan on cutting and screwing out of his $28 million bonus. Not someone that beloved by the fans. The Colts have a very tough decision, its the biggest off-season story out there and won't be resolved till March from the looks of how it is playing out.

 

[Banger]

Not sure why anyone would be surprised by this.

 

[Sweet Love]

From what I've read, Manning is untradeable because the Colts would have to take around a 38 million dollar cap hit.So basically the writing is on the wall that the Colts will have to trade Luck or release Manning.

I keep seeing the stuff about the cap hit (and it is very valid), but if you are going to go with Luck, do you really need the cap space those first couple of years? I think it would give the organization an opportunity to "cleanse' the roster of guys who will not be there when Luck hits his stride. The reality is, the organization also saves a lot of money by not having Manning on the roster (real money). Think about what they could do with $20 million of found money...even if the owner pockets half of it, you still can improve your roster in 2014 (not to mention support staff, coaches (they'll likely get a new one that will cost more than Caldwell)), etc.

 

[identikit]

The Colts won't trade the rights to Luck, so get that out of your head right now. If anyone goes, it's Manning. You don't give up another 15 years of great QB play for a guy at the end of his rope, or has already let go of it.

I would agree in most other cases but not in this one.Look at that team. How could they go from perrennial double didgit winning playoff seasons to 0-16 overnight? It is obvious the reason is Peyton Manning. When Tom Brady went down the Pats still had a double didgit winning season and made the playoffs. The Colts are nothing, virtually and literally, NOTHING without Peyton Manning. No matter how good Luck is, he is not Peyton Manning. That team will struggle until they do major revisions in too many areas to mention.

Luck does not = Manning

People think because Peyton was great and that Luck is considered great that Luck = Manning.

No.

If Manning is healthy the smartest thing the Colts could do is make the best possible deal for the rights to Luck where they also get a young QB to act as a bridge as they rebuild with Peyton.

Big question is whether or not Peyton can come back healthy and its still up in the air or else Peyton would have already retired but he hasn't so he is holding out hope and the Colts would have distanced themselves from him instead of having him on the sidelines and up in the booth and at practice. You don't do that with a guy you plan on cutting and screwing out of his $28 million bonus. Not someone that beloved by the fans.

The Colts have a very tough decision, its the biggest off-season story out there and won't be resolved till March from the looks of how it is playing out.

They didn't.

 

[Reepicheep]

From what I've read, Manning is untradeable because the Colts would have to take around a 38 million dollar cap hit.So basically the writing is on the wall that the Colts will have to trade Luck or release Manning.

Yeah the Colts are in a real bind here.- They can't trade Manning as things stand now. - Unlikely Manning is going to agree to any contract changes that will make it easier for the Colts to trade him and/or draft Luck.- Paying $28M to a guy you're not sure can play again would truly suck.- Even if he can play, passing on Luck and trying to patch up a 0-16 team to "make one last run" at a SB just sounds like crazy talk.- Cutting him and watching him go to the Jags or Titans and destory you for 3-4 more years would epicly suck.- Drafting Luck and then losing all leverage when the Luck family makes an Eli-style power play would be a nightmare.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

No matter how good Luck is, he is not Peyton Manning. Luck does not = ManningPeople think because Peyton was great and that Luck is considered great that Luck = Manning.No.

Normally I would agree with this, but things aren't normal, now are they? I'll say that 15 years of Andrew Luck > than an aging hurt Peyton Manning any way you slice it. You don't trade that away. The Colts won't repeat the Elway history.