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Are the Patriots still an elite team? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter ponchsox
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bagger
Footballguy
no. i think the bills win that division.
DropKick
Footballguy
New England has a way of getting better as the season wears on. Usually, their defense gels a bit by then. Also, injuries can run their course upon teams that may look good early on (such as Denver).
But, at the moment, they are not an "elite" team with all the recent player turnover. Losing a Gronk, Welker, Hernandez and even Lloyd is a lot of change. They are clearly in transition.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is a "dum" topic, but it is because we are in week 2. Bring it up when the Pats are 10 and 4 and we aren't sure if it is them or the wins against a crappy division.kOOk said:
SportsGuru311
Footballguy
They should still win their division, but until they get things figured out on the offensive side of the ball they will not go far in the playoffs.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Elite meaning they are one of the top 4 teams in the NFL and have a legitimate chance at winning a Super Bowl.
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Insoxicated
Pats fan checking in here: Hell no. Add in a healthy Gronk, Vereen and Amendola and give Thompkins a litlte experience, and they might be more competitive later this season. But they're looking like an 8-9 win team as they stand right now. Thankfully they have TB next week who look equally crappy.
IF they can escape this week with a win (far from certain) they have a good shot of stating 3-0 with Gronk (hopefully) and Amendola (possibly) coming back to face Atlanta. Will see..
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Disagree.
85 Bears
72 Dolphins
04 or 07 Pats
91 Skins
84 Niners (or choose your own year in the 80s)
75 Steelers
98 Broncos (or choose your own year in the 70s)
71 or 77 Cowboys
99 or 01 Rams
86 Giants
76 Raiders
All unquestionably elite.
Bobby Guano
Footballguy
I keep hearing about "chemistry with the WR's" but IMO Tom Brady has played pretty crappy this season.
Unfortunately a crappy Tom Brady is still good enough to beat the Jets and Bills.
SF, DEN, SEA, GB, NO, all better than NE
DET, CHI, DAL, PHI, ATL, BAL, NYG, HOU = or might be better than NE this year.
Unfortunately a crappy Tom Brady is still good enough to beat the Jets and Bills.
SF, DEN, SEA, GB, NO, all better than NE
DET, CHI, DAL, PHI, ATL, BAL, NYG, HOU = or might be better than NE this year.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Right now it looks like they wasted a year of Bradys career by trying to save a few bucks.
Run It Up
Footballguy
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General Tso
Guest
I'm a Pats fan, and I don' think they're a top 10 team.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
You forgot 09 SaintsStompin said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Riiiiight
T with T
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Run It Up
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
What you stated is untrue and absolutely ridiculous.
he's a rookie. you think he's already hit his ceiling? he's tall, fast. once he gets coached up, i could see him playing really well next year. same with thompkins.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Feel free to add whatever teams you like. Not sure why you assumed this was supposed to be a comprehensive list as opposed to one that just tries to prove a point.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Belichick's arrogance finally caught up to him this year. He cheaped out on Welker and thought he could get by with Amendola who can't stay on the field and a trio of questionable rookie WR. They are lucky they got three bad teams to start the season before they face real opposition. This buys time to get Gronk back and let the rookies develop some.
Will they even beat the Jets tonight at home where losing is a rarity?
Will they even beat the Jets tonight at home where losing is a rarity?
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Run It Up
Footballguy
The only way you come to this conclusion is if you only count rings, if you look at literally anything else you are entirely wrong - as a team they have been better every year until now.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Outside of Brady and the oft injured Gronk and Dola, their offense is misery.
Thompkins was extremely close to making a beautiful diving catch for a touchdown. If Dobson pulls in a couple of those drops, everyone would be slobbering all over him.
They're rookie WRs playing in arguably one of the most complex passing offenses in the league.
It's the second game of the season.
They're rookie WRs playing in arguably one of the most complex passing offenses in the league.
It's the second game of the season.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
They don't have hands. It was pretty damn clear. If Gronk comes back next week as predicted, it will open up the passing game for Edelman and vice versa. Once Amendola returns, they should be back to being efficient on O with 3 passing threats again.Thompkins was extremely close to making a beautiful diving catch for a touchdown. If Dobson pulls in a couple of those drops, everyone would be slobbering all over him.
They're rookie WRs playing in arguably one of the most complex passing offenses in the league.
It's the second game of the season.
Phenix
Footballguy
Ok, so when do you start realizing he sucks then?They don't have hands. It was pretty damn clear. If Gronk comes back next week as predicted, it will open up the passing game for Edelman and vice versa. Once Amendola returns, they should be back to being efficient on O with 3 passing threats again.Thompkins was extremely close to making a beautiful diving catch for a touchdown. If Dobson pulls in a couple of those drops, everyone would be slobbering all over him.
They're rookie WRs playing in arguably one of the most complex passing offenses in the league.
It's the second game of the season.
Week 4? is there a certain time when it is allowed to realize someone sucks?
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Thompkins? It was clear he sucked last week.Ok, so when do you start realizing he sucks then?They don't have hands. It was pretty damn clear. If Gronk comes back next week as predicted, it will open up the passing game for Edelman and vice versa. Once Amendola returns, they should be back to being efficient on O with 3 passing threats again.Thompkins was extremely close to making a beautiful diving catch for a touchdown. If Dobson pulls in a couple of those drops, everyone would be slobbering all over him.
They're rookie WRs playing in arguably one of the most complex passing offenses in the league.
It's the second game of the season.
Week 4? is there a certain time when it is allowed to realize someone sucks?
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Regular season champions!
I think the window has closed and neither Brady or BB will win another Super Bowl.
