Are we sleeping on Giants Steve Smith? (1 Viewer)

[Ripleys]

After the Giants let go of Burress, we all know they are looking to get a new #1. But I missed this quote concerning the potential Edwards trade-

-the Browns wanted a second and fifth round draft pick plus receiver Steve Smith, and the Giants only offered Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham (and the two picks).

So the Giants passed on a deal to get Edwards because of Steve Smith. You'd think in their position they would have gladly moved him to get Edwards, since they were in agreement with the draft pick part of the trade.

Since they were willing to move Hixon and Manningham, thinking maybe Smith is a sleeper? Especially in a PPR league?

 

[Ripleys]

:crickets:

 

[JohnnyU]

To me he will never be a true #1 or #2. He fits best in the slot, and could develop into a very good possession WR, but that's his ceiling IMO.

ETA: Not that being a very good possession WR is anything to sneeze at. He could become a decent fantasy option as a WR #4 for your team, but I do think his upside is limited.

 

[foxco]

He's *okay*. Better NFL reciever than a fantasy one. If the Giants have to count on him as their #1, they are in big, big trouble.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

In the games that Burress didn't play, Hixon had more targets than Smith in all five, totaling 48-27 targets.

 

[todisco1]

In the games that Burress didn't play, Hixon had more targets than Smith in all five, totaling 48-27 targets.

Wow, that's a pretty big disparity. Didn't realize that.Smith has good hands but doesn't have great speed and will never be a red zone threat IMO. Limited upside. In fantasy he's a decent bench guy I think.

 

[FavreCo]

Smith has great hands. With the inaccuracy of Manning, there was no way they are trading a guy that can catch the ball for a guy that drops the ball. They may add Edwards but it won't ever be for Smith. Someone actually has to catch the ball.

 

[Football Jones]

I don't buy the Giants not wanting to include Smith in a deal for Edwards. Not in a million years. I believe that rumor was denied by one or both parties. Regardless, Hixon is the WR to have, IMO. I can't see Britt, Nicks, or Robiskie (possible 1st-round targets) overtaking Hixon anytime soon. Nor do I see Manningham outproducing Hixon in the near future.

Hixon has a big upside (mostly because of situation, but he's definitely got talent) & can be acquired relatively cheaply. I believe he's an ideal low-risk/high-reward guy.

 

[Balco]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

 

[Faust]

Some discussion on the subject in this thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=edwards+Giants

Steve Smith was obviously well regarded by both teams - Cleveland wanted to aquire him as part of any trade and the Giants didn't want to give him up...

 

[Faust]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

Steve Smith strikes me as a solid, steady eddie tpye of possession receiver with reasonably good hands. The Engram comparison is a good one, I think.

 

[duece2626]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

Steve Smith strikes me as a solid, steady eddie tpye of possession receiver with reasonably good hands. The Engram comparison is a good one, I think.

That should make him a pretty good PPR WR then.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

Steve Smith strikes me as a solid, steady eddie tpye of possession receiver with reasonably good hands. The Engram comparison is a good one, I think.

Exactly, he will always be that unsexy pick but produces (L. Coles, D. Mason, D. Driver)

 

[Yenrub]

In the games that Burress didn't play, Hixon had more targets than Smith in all five, totaling 48-27 targets.

Wow, that's a pretty big disparity. Didn't realize that.Smith has good hands but doesn't have great speed and will never be a red zone threat IMO. Limited upside. In fantasy he's a decent bench guy I think.

Those numbers aren't really all that telling. After Plax went down Smith's role didn't change he was still the slot guy while Hixon took over Plax's position.Now that Toomer is gone look for Smith to fill that role and Hixon to stay in Plax's spot (if the Giants don't add a vet)

 

[KellysHeroes]

In the games that Burress didn't play, Hixon had more targets than Smith in all five, totaling 48-27 targets.

Wow, that's a pretty big disparity. Didn't realize that.Smith has good hands but doesn't have great speed and will never be a red zone threat IMO. Limited upside. In fantasy he's a decent bench guy I think.

Those numbers aren't really all that telling. After Plax went down Smith's role didn't change he was still the slot guy while Hixon took over Plax's position.Now that Toomer is gone look for Smith to fill that role and Hixon to stay in Plax's spot (if the Giants don't add a vet)

Hixon will be WR1; Smith should become the underneath WR... playing the otherside to Hixon in 2 WR sets & moving to Slot in 3 or more WR sets. Which one out produces the other is a crap shot right now... attempt to aquire both.

 

[Tanner9919]

After the Giants let go of Burress, we all know they are looking to get a new #1. But I missed this quote concerning the potential Edwards trade--the Browns wanted a second and fifth round draft pick plus receiver Steve Smith, and the Giants only offered Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham (and the two picks).So the Giants passed on a deal to get Edwards because of Steve Smith. You'd think in their position they would have gladly moved him to get Edwards, since they were in agreement with the draft pick part of the trade.Since they were willing to move Hixon and Manningham, thinking maybe Smith is a sleeper? Especially in a PPR league?

nah..they'll offer Steve Smith..the reason they would hold him off in any trade is because he has experience vs. the other two who have very little experience..a second and a fifth and Steve Smith is a steal for NYG..

 

[Slider]

It's odd Moss or Smith....or any other WR for that matter...can't seem to develop faster or at all. Is this scheme? QB?

 

[inzanitee]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

Steve Smith strikes me as a solid, steady eddie tpye of possession receiver with reasonably good hands. The Engram comparison is a good one, I think.

Exactly, he will always be that unsexy pick but produces (L. Coles, D. Mason, D. Driver)

There's a big difference between the careers of Bobby Engram and guys like Driver/Mason/Coles. Those guys have had multiple 100k yd seasons and were strong #2 fantasy wideouts. Engram has one thousand yard year in his career and was never a real fantasy starter (except that one season). I think Smith is overhyped and the Giants will add another WR which will move Smith back to the slot. I would trade while his value is high, though Hixon does interest me.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think Smith is a far more valuable NFL player than Fantasy player. I own him in a dynasty league, and live in Giants country so I watch most of their games. He is going to be a very good NFL receiver, but it seems like they completely ignore him in the red zone. Reminds me of a Bobby Engram with slightly higher upside, which is a good thing in the NFL, not so good in fantasy.

Steve Smith strikes me as a solid, steady eddie tpye of possession receiver with reasonably good hands. The Engram comparison is a good one, I think.

Exactly, he will always be that unsexy pick but produces (L. Coles, D. Mason, D. Driver)

There's a big difference between the careers of Bobby Engram and guys like Driver/Mason/Coles. Those guys have had multiple 100k yd seasons and were strong #2 fantasy wideouts. Engram has one thousand yard year in his career and was never a real fantasy starter (except that one season). I think Smith is overhyped and the Giants will add another WR which will move Smith back to the slot. I would trade while his value is high, though Hixon does interest me.

I think it is still too early to know what Smiths ceiling is. Now going into his 3rd season with no other proven compitition the opportunity should be there. What he is able to do with it we'll find out. I don't think 1k yards and 5-8 TD are out of the question.

 

[zadok]

It's odd Moss or Smith....or any other WR for that matter...can't seem to develop faster or at all. Is this scheme? QB?

In Moss' case at least, it's because he's a bust. Manningham is on his way to bust-ville as well, IMHO. I like Smith a lot as a real WR, as a fantasy one I'm not sure.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

In the games that Burress didn't play, Hixon had more targets than Smith in all five, totaling 48-27 targets.

This is what really matters.Hixon is the major beneficiary, imo.

 

[B Will]

Smith's numbers have been affected more by TOOMERS appearance on the field than plaxicos. I believe Smith will up his game this coming year. as we all know hes a 3RD YEAR WR. I say he Breaks out and goes way beyond your guys expectations of him.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Steve Smith would flourish in the NFC West or South I believe, getting a half season at least worth of games in manigble weather conditions. As it stands now, Eli's propensity to throw high ducks, coupled with a second half full of windy games doesn't accentuate what Steve can do. Plax with that height really was so much the perfect fit, but those 5 inches Smith gives up are immense. Perhaps its no coincidence their Super Bowl run happened in largely favorable conditions. Smith just can't go up and get it on a consistent basis to be a number one fantasy guy. But I'll agree with the others here who rightly point out he looks earmarked for a valuable run as a slot/possesion guy here in Jersey.

 

[Dave Larkin]

Smith's a great player, no doubt. He's a chain moving player, but I haven't seen him make any huge plays in his career yet. I wonder aswell whether or not he could play on the outside on a regular basis standing up to bigger, more physical corners. The nickel corners he usually faces don't have that physicality for the most part.

Still, he could develop into Manning's number one target and check down option. The two have a good on-field chemistry.

Sleeper? You bet!

 

[massraider]

Guy went from 8 catches to 57 catches, and the two starters are gone.

 

[JamesTheScot]

To me he will never be a true #1 or #2. He fits best in the slot, and could develop into a very good possession WR, but that's his ceiling IMO.

ETA: Not that being a very good possession WR is anything to sneeze at. He could become a decent fantasy option as a WR #4 for your team, but I do think his upside is limited.

I think this may be where the reasoning is.Adding Edwards at the flanker or split end spot is a gain over Hixon. So Hixon is may be on the bench in that scenario...so he's perhaps more expendable. Whether or not you add Edwards, Smith is your starter in the slot and maybe at the other outside spot as well, at least over Manningham...so Manningham is perhaps more expendable as well.

So if the Giants move Smith, the Giants would be losing a starter at one position to get a new starter at a different position. In fantasy, those decisions are easy to make. In the NFL, not so much.

So I think you can look at it two ways...this could mean they really like Smith and see him as a key contributor, or it could mean they just aren't that high on Manningham and aren't as enamored with Edwards as fantasy owners are. In other words, they could be thinking (Hixon + Smith) > (Edwards + Manningham). That isn't the same as Smith > Edwards.

 

[finnref]

As a Giants fan, I would be very disappointed if they traded Smith. This guy is reliable. He catches the ball. Only a very occasional drop. A go to guy on third and long. He and Eli are in sync. He took over the Shockey passes without the drops. He is needed to move the chains and get 4 more downs for those long shots to someone else down the field.

 

[T Man]

To me he will never be a true #1 or #2. He fits best in the slot, and could develop into a very good possession WR, but that's his ceiling IMO.

ETA: Not that being a very good possession WR is anything to sneeze at. He could become a decent fantasy option as a WR #4 for your team, but I do think his upside is limited.

I think this may be where the reasoning is.Adding Edwards at the flanker or split end spot is a gain over Hixon. So Hixon is may be on the bench in that scenario...so he's perhaps more expendable. Whether or not you add Edwards, Smith is your starter in the slot and maybe at the other outside spot as well, at least over Manningham...so Manningham is perhaps more expendable as well.

So if the Giants move Smith, the Giants would be losing a starter at one position to get a new starter at a different position. In fantasy, those decisions are easy to make. In the NFL, not so much.

So I think you can look at it two ways...this could mean they really like Smith and see him as a key contributor, or it could mean they just aren't that high on Manningham and aren't as enamored with Edwards as fantasy owners are. In other words, they could be thinking (Hixon + Smith) > (Edwards + Manningham). That isn't the same as Smith > Edwards.

I think this is exactly why the G-Men passed on trading Smith. The G-men likely do not see a replacement for Smith on their roster and it is too much to expect the draft to fill that need. So instead they offer the guy that Edwards would replace or the guy that backs up Smith. If the Browns want to trade Edwards, don't look for this to be the end of it. THere is still plenty of time till the draft. The groundwork has been laid.

 

[Dodge]

It's odd Moss or Smith....or any other WR for that matter...can't seem to develop faster or at all. Is this scheme? QB?

In Moss' case at least, it's because he's a bust. Manningham is on his way to bust-ville as well, IMHO. I like Smith a lot as a real WR, as a fantasy one I'm not sure.

How is Manngingham on his way to bustville? He was a rookie last year sitting behind Plax/Hixon, Toomer, Smith. He looked fine when he got some playing time. I still say it's up in the air what this kid can do. Hasn't had a chance yet imo.

 

[The Big Donkey]

I'm seeing some chatter on both Giants and Eagles message boards that espn950am is reporting a rumor of Braylon Edwards to the Giants for 1st/5th.

http://www.igglephans.com/

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread_page=1

 

[country]

It's odd Moss or Smith....or any other WR for that matter...can't seem to develop faster or at all. Is this scheme? QB?

Trying to catch poorly thrown ducks should make you a better receiver in the long run ; no?

 

[FUBAR]

It's odd Moss or Smith....or any other WR for that matter...can't seem to develop faster or at all. Is this scheme? QB?

In Moss' case at least, it's because he's a bust. Manningham is on his way to bust-ville as well, IMHO. I like Smith a lot as a real WR, as a fantasy one I'm not sure.

How is Manngingham on his way to bustville? He was a rookie last year sitting behind Plax/Hixon, Toomer, Smith. He looked fine when he got some playing time. I still say it's up in the air what this kid can do. Hasn't had a chance yet imo.

ah yes, those 4 receptions and 12 total yards were impressive. 2 receptions and 21 yards in week 17 - dude's a STUD!



He's hardly a bust yet, but "he looked fine"?

 

[Yenrub]

I'm seeing some chatter on both Giants and Eagles message boards that espn950am is reporting a rumor of Braylon Edwards to the Giants for 1st/5th.

http://www.igglephans.com/

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread_page=1

I have not seen this rumor any place else yet this morningIt would give the Giants a deep threat (he will probably get open deep, just not so sure he will catch it)

 

[Mikey16x]

Smith's fantasy value is limited by being a Giants Homer I can assure you his NFL value is sky high. Guys like him don't come around very often, with the recent moves it's safe to assume he has the best hands on the team. If you watch their playoff/superbowl run, he was a very important piece to that puzzle, 3rd downs and clutch catches. He never had a rookie break in period, he always knew where he was on the field and what he had to do, never wowed you but was extremely consistent. You have it wrong when analyzing why the Giants didn't pull the trigger on trading him, it had nothing to do with Burress... more with letting Amani Toomer go. Toomer was a career possession receiver, and a damn good one. Smith is a young Toomer, sure hands, not a playmaker but gets the job done. They need that, I don't think their replacement for Burress is on the roster yet... I still think we're going to enter the Boldin sweepstakes on draft day, just not sure what we are willing to offer. My gut feeling says we're probably going to get Hakeem Nicks and eventually he'll take over the Burress role.

 

[Avery]

I'm seeing some chatter on both Giants and Eagles message boards that espn950am is reporting a rumor of Braylon Edwards to the Giants for 1st/5th.

http://www.igglephans.com/

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread_page=1

I have not seen this rumor any place else yet this morningIt would give the Giants a deep threat (he will probably get open deep, just not so sure he will catch it)

Been following the rumors (and hoping they are true ) but according to Mike Garafolo there is "No truth to latest Braylon Edwards, New York Giants trade rumors"