Are you getting a flu shot? (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

That’s not exactly what I said but yes Doctor. Most of your peers are a not close to being healthy adults. I’m not making this up.

As far as what I put in my body?

Water
Meat
Vegetables
Fruits

What else do I need?

Oxygen for starters

Clever but not very cool.

I was obviously just joking.

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

I could if I’ve ever gotten the flue.

If you eat well, drink plenty of water, get 8 hours sleep and don’t put toxins in your body you don’t get sick.

If you do you recover quickly. On the super rare occasion I don’t feel well it almost never lasts more than a day.

I am very healthy and pretty much never get sick. Just recently had COVID and had absolutely no effects. Just knew I had it because I tested since a friend I was around got sick. Maybe that's the vaccines helping, maybe it's just my immune system IDK. But my very healthy self picked up the flu leaving Budapest and bro I thought I was going to die. It was no joke.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

That’s not exactly what I said but yes Doctor. Most of your peers are a not close to being healthy adults. I’m not making this up.

As far as what I put in my body?

Water
Meat
Vegetables
Fruits

What else do I need?

Oxygen for starters

Clever but not very cool.

I was obviously just joking.

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

I could if I’ve ever gotten the flue.

If you eat well, drink plenty of water, get 8 hours sleep and don’t put toxins in your body you don’t get sick.

If you do you recover quickly. On the super rare occasion I don’t feel well it almost never lasts more than a day.

I am very healthy and pretty much never get sick. Just recently had COVID and had absolutely no effects. Just knew I had it because I tested since a friend I was around got sick. Maybe that's the vaccines helping, maybe it's just my immune system IDK. But my very healthy self picked up the flu leaving Budapest and bro I thought I was going to die. It was no joke.

Sorry, text is sometimes hard for me to get the tone/context sometimes.

Y’all can do what y’all wanna do- I’m just fighting against having anything put inside my body for the rest of my life.

 

[Ilov80s]

That’s not exactly what I said but yes Doctor. Most of your peers are a not close to being healthy adults. I’m not making this up.

As far as what I put in my body?

Water
Meat
Vegetables
Fruits

What else do I need?

Oxygen for starters

Clever but not very cool.

I was obviously just joking.

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

I could if I’ve ever gotten the flue.

If you eat well, drink plenty of water, get 8 hours sleep and don’t put toxins in your body you don’t get sick.

If you do you recover quickly. On the super rare occasion I don’t feel well it almost never lasts more than a day.

I am very healthy and pretty much never get sick. Just recently had COVID and had absolutely no effects. Just knew I had it because I tested since a friend I was around got sick. Maybe that's the vaccines helping, maybe it's just my immune system IDK. But my very healthy self picked up the flu leaving Budapest and bro I thought I was going to die. It was no joke.

Sorry, text is sometimes hard for me to get the tone/context sometimes.

Y’all can do what y’all wanna do- I’m just fighting against having anything put inside my body for the rest of my life.

You can do whatever you want, doesn't matter to me but it's impossible to keep bacteria and viruses out of our body. They are too small to stop. But if I had a negative reaction to a flu shot, I would probably feel differently so I get it. I resisted getting them for awhile but after getting the flu maybe 8 or so years ago, it definitely changed my mind. My wife and I should have probably seen a doctor or something but we weren't even coherent enough to make a decision like that.

 

[General Malaise]

I have a hard time placing value of medical opinions from people who have no medical training, medical education or medical experience. IMO.

It’s rare for a person to be both very educated and have a high degree of common sense.

I would put most doctors in the very educated but little to no common sense category.

That is a really weird generalization.

 

[AAABatteries]

I’m all loaded up with flu and Covid vaccines.

How much beer can I drink today and not impact the efficacy?

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

 

[Osaurus]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

Got mine last Friday.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

How come you can only get the shingles vaccine if you are over 50?

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

Got mine last Friday.

How were the side effects?

My first dose kicked my *** a bit. But after my colleague was in the ER with Shingles encephalitis and required a lumbar puncture, MRI and missed 10 days of work I decided to get mine.

 

[Osaurus]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

Got mine last Friday.

How were the side effects?

My first dose kicked my *** a bit. But after my colleague was in the ER with Shingles encephalitis and required a lumbar puncture, MRI and missed 10 days of work I decided to get mine.

Just a slightly sore arm at the injection site. That’s it.

 

[jhib]

I'd like to see an overlap of people who refuse to get vaccinated with people who refuse to be an organ donor.

1 sample size

Yes to being a organ donor

No to letting nerds who are more often than not in poor health deciding what I should put inside my body.

Just so I understand, are you saying people who advocate vaccination, arguably our greatest public health policy, are unhealthy nerds?

If you don’t trust those sickly dorks, how do you decide what to put in your body?

That’s not exactly what I said but yes Doctor. Most of your peers are a not close to being healthy adults. I’m not making this up.

As far as what I put in my body?

Water
Meat
Vegetables
Fruits

What else do I need?

Besides the no-vaccine thing, that sounds a lot like what my doctor recommends. But he's a fat nerd, so I'm gonna keep eating this bag of M&Ms.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

 

[mr. furley]

I have a hard time placing value of medical opinions from people who have no medical training, medical education or medical experience. IMO.

It’s rare for a person to be both very educated and have a high degree of common sense.

I would put most doctors in the very educated but little to no common sense category.

when did you get your PhD's?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

 

[General Malaise]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Memes

 

[General Malaise]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

 

[mr. furley]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

are you... breathing air? eating food? i mean, you are getting bombarded with "outside materials" every second of every day.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I have a hard time placing value of medical opinions from people who have no medical training, medical education or medical experience. IMO.

It’s rare for a person to be both very educated and have a high degree of common sense.

I would put most doctors in the very educated but little to no common sense category.

when did you get your PhD's?

Furls, I dont know what I said to you but it seems you have a problem with me. If you want to call me out of have a private conversation by all means, Im available.

Do you think I need a degree to tell if somebody is out of shape?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

are you... breathing air? eating food? i mean, you are getting bombarded with "outside materials" every second of every day.

Youre comparing air, clean water and farm raised meat/poultry to vaccines?

Really?

 

[the moops]

I have a hard time placing value of medical opinions from people who have no medical training, medical education or medical experience. IMO.

It’s rare for a person to be both very educated and have a high degree of common sense.

I would put most doctors in the very educated but little to no common sense category.

when did you get your PhD's?

Furls, I dont know what I said to you but it seems you have a problem with me. If you want to call me out of have a private conversation by all means, Im available.

Do you think I need a degree to tell if somebody is out of shape?

We would all be better off if we ate healthy foods and exercised more. But to think that just because we live good healthy lives we are immune from serious illnesses is just wrong. And i love you man

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

 

[General Malaise]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

are you... breathing air? eating food? i mean, you are getting bombarded with "outside materials" every second of every day.

Youre comparing air, clean water and farm raised meat/poultry to vaccines?

Really?

You do realize we vaccinate meat and poultry, right?

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

After 25 years of having this discussion with parents multiple times weekly (way more often over the past 10 years), as well as several discussions on this board in various threads, I don't think there is much that will change their minds. I've given up here but of course I still fight the good fight with my patients/parents that I care for.

What is so frustrating is that these parents trust my judgment implicitly with everything regarding the health care of their child except when it comes to vaccines---in that case, they trust Drs. Google and Facebook over me. And that sucks and drags on me so much.

 

[General Malaise]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get it but you're making some sweeping generalizations in here today and not coming across very well. I think you are right that "clean living" is a recipe for a healthy life. But at the same time our life expectancy has increased with the advent of vaccines and some of the diseases that were wiping humans out are largely gone now thanks to vaccines.

 

[General Malaise]

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

After 25 years of having this discussion with parents multiple times weekly (way more often over the past 10 years), as well as several discussions on this board in various threads, I don't think there is much that will change their minds. I've given up here but of course I still fight the good fight with my patients/parents that I care for.

What is so frustrating is that these parents trust my judgment implicitly with everything regarding the health care of their child except when it comes to vaccines---in that case, they trust Drs. Google and Facebook over me. And that sucks and drags on me so much.

Maybe you should lose some weight and go to common sense college? /s

 

[Ilov80s]

I guess I don’t get the idea about not wanting to put things in your body. Like that’s how you live. Breathe, eat, drink. Our bodies clearly aren’t perfect and science has obviously improved human outcomes. I don’t care if someone gets the flu vax or not but I don’t see the logic of I don’t want to put something in my body because that’s simply impossible.

 

[Ilov80s]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

 

[mr. furley]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

this is a weird topic to troll on but syncs up with the rest of your profile so credit for staying on brand

 

[Ilov80s]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

There are certainly some masks that will keep some things out. Not just talking COVID either.

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

This is absolutely untrue. Please don’t spread falsehoods.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get it but you're making some sweeping generalizations in here today and not coming across very well. I think you are right that "clean living" is a recipe for a healthy life. But at the same time our life expectancy has increased with the advent of vaccines and some of the diseases that were wiping humans out are largely gone now thanks to vaccines.

Nothing I said was untrue.

I don’t care about “not coming accross very well”. Being smarmy, condescending and making smart *** replies is how you guys talk to people, specifically to me - all the time. Hilarious how you guys talk to each-other and then have the audacity to make the jokes and act all pretentious.

I am clear and direct and that’s aggressive to you.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

This is absolutely untrue. Please don’t spread falsehoods.

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

This is absolutely untrue. Please don’t spread falsehoods.

You are correct, Inwas generalizing - again as a reply to a smart *** comment.

Not directed at you - >Don’t be a smart ***- you won’t get a smart *** response.

I should have said - the cloth masks that most people wear are not effective against Covid, wearing one outside is dumb.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

this is a weird topic to troll on but syncs up with the rest of your profile so credit for staying on brand

And you must LOVE my brand because you love to comment on my stuff. You never actually add to the discussion or add anything other than a take about your satisfaction with my posting.

That’s trolling.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get it but you're making some sweeping generalizations in here today and not coming across very well. I think you are right that "clean living" is a recipe for a healthy life. But at the same time our life expectancy has increased with the advent of vaccines and some of the diseases that were wiping humans out are largely gone now thanks to vaccines.

Nothing I said was untrue.

I don’t care about “not coming accross very well”. Being smarmy, condescending and making smart *** replies is how you guys talk to people, specifically to me - all the time. Hilarious how you guys talk to each-other and then have the audacity to make the jokes and act all pretentious.

I am clear and direct and that’s aggressive to you.

I think the reason you’re getting so much “aggressive feedback” is that you are putting out absolutely unqualified, false pseudo-science and passing it off like it is unimpeachable gospel.

There has been a groundswell of uninformed science deniers since covid, and a lot of us deal with it on a daily basis- and it is extremely frustrating. You posting stuff like: “Masks don’t do anything to protect you” and having the hubris to think it’s correct makes you the lightning rod for everyone who has an annoying old frat buddy or Aunt Carol on facebook posting that kind of ridiculously false stuff, with an air of authority they have no right to assume.

You do you. Live clean, eat clean, exercise, don’t get vaccines- I wish you good health and happiness. But when you post blatantly false and (no offense) uninformed opinions as fact- people are gonna clap back. If you don’t want that kind of interaction, don’t post as an authority on health science when You’re clearly not qualified.

 

[General Malaise]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get it but you're making some sweeping generalizations in here today and not coming across very well. I think you are right that "clean living" is a recipe for a healthy life. But at the same time our life expectancy has increased with the advent of vaccines and some of the diseases that were wiping humans out are largely gone now thanks to vaccines.

Nothing I said was untrue.

I don’t care about “not coming accross very well”. Being smarmy, condescending and making smart *** replies is how you guys talk to people, specifically to me - all the time. Hilarious how you guys talk to each-other and then have the audacity to make the jokes and act all pretentious.

I am clear and direct and that’s aggressive to you.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I like you so if you feel under attack by me, let me apologize and reiterate that I find you very likeable.

At the same time, your postings in here are not what I would call "true". I would call them opinions and not well informed ones. Take a step back for a second and think about what you said about ALL doctors, including ones that post here. Unfit, out of shape, no common sense, etc. C'mon man. Nevermind your opinions about vaccinations which I think are incredibly misguided.

I'm certainly not going to change your mind and that's fine, but some of what you've posted in here today is puzzling given your overall body of work as a FBG and a good one.


My 2 cents.

 

[Insein]

I've never got a flu shot. I got the flu twice in the last 20 years.

 

[AAABatteries]

Soreness in my arms has started getting a little better - felt feverish the last hour but nothing severe.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I've never got a flu shot. I got the flu twice in the last 20 years.

I think I’m too lazy to get it. I probably get the shot every other year but I’ve never gotten the flu in my life (knocking on wood)

 

[Terminalxylem]

I guess I don’t get the idea about not wanting to put things in your body. Like that’s how you live. Breathe, eat, drink. Our bodies clearly aren’t perfect and science has obviously improved human outcomes. I don’t care if someone gets the flu vax or not but I don’t see the logic of I don’t want to put something in my body because that’s simply impossible.

Also perplexing: many people who refuse vaccines/Western medicine are eager to take poorly tested/quality-controlled supplements.

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

One can live clean and get vaccinated.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get it but you're making some sweeping generalizations in here today and not coming across very well. I think you are right that "clean living" is a recipe for a healthy life. But at the same time our life expectancy has increased with the advent of vaccines and some of the diseases that were wiping humans out are largely gone now thanks to vaccines.

The biggest modern contributors to improvements in lifespan, after accounting for obstetric advances (lowering infant mortality):

water sanitation
vaccines
antibiotics

All of them involve adding stuff to your body

 

[Terminalxylem]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

are you... breathing air? eating food? i mean, you are getting bombarded with "outside materials" every second of every day.

Youre comparing air, clean water and farm raised meat/poultry to vaccines?

Really?

You do realize we vaccinate meat and poultry, right?

Also, eating too much of that meat and poultry, farm-raised or not, isn’t exactly healthy.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Got my Flu shot and COVID booster last week.

Second Shingles vax scheduled for later this month.

How come you can only get the shingles vaccine if you are over 50?

The risk of getting shingles below age 50 is too low for the general population to recommend the vaccine. If you pay out of pocket, and can find someone to prescribe it, I bet you can get it.

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I got a flu shot once because they guilt-ed me into getting one for our firstborn. Got sick as a dog.

Will never get one again.

that's called your immune response

your body is reacting to the introduction of a small amount of the virus.


unless i'm way off base there @Terminalxylem

Lol. You weren't sick, you were just having an immune response that made you feel sick.

Oh I felt sick. I wasn’t actually sick.

LOL.

You could also view this as like "holy s, if I actually got the flu my *** would have been wrecked". I've gotten the real flu once ever and it was no joke. My wife and I both got it and we lost 4 days of our life. Just totally unable to do anything more than use the bathroom a couple times and eat ice cream. We were sleeping like 20 hours a day. The 4 hours we were up, we were barely coherent. That experience led me to get the flu shot annually.

Almost invariably, people who choose against vaccination “almost never get sick”. Implicitly, their immune system is doing just fine on its own, or they are really lucky.

If we take that at face value, for the individual, it makes sense to avoid a shot which may make them feel unwell. A few problems with that line of reasoning:

1. Immune function changes with time, as does susceptibility to infection. For something like the flu, there are too many variables to easily compute individual risk, with enough certainty to summarily dismiss vaccination. So how can one know when their risk from the flu significantly exceeds that from the shot?

2. Vaccine composition also changes with time. Some formulations are more reactogenic (likely to cause side effects) than others. While it’s possible to be intolerant of an “inert” ingredient, present in all vaccine formulations, it’s much more common to react differently to different vaccines.

3. Getting vaccinated impacts more than just the individual. How do you account for personal responsibility to our collective immunity? Policy makers err on the side of the latter, obviously.

Overall, the likelihood of a life-threatening adverse reaction to the flu shot is several orders of magnitude smaller than the chances flu kills you. For healthy adults, the absolute risk from either is small. But as flu risk increases with age, the potential downside from the shot is static, or decreasing as vaccine technology/formulations improve.

For people who elect against vaccination, what would change your mind?

Why is the concept of not putting outside materials inside the body considered foreign or better than eating and living clean?

Have you ever studied the eradication of smallpox or polio? Mumps, measles?

No but touche. You have a valid point.

To respond I would say that I want to limit what i put into my body

I get that I do. You should consider wearing an n95 or some other high end mask when out and about. There’s all kinds of nonsense we are breathing in.

Masks don’t do anything and the evidence is clear.

This is absolutely untrue. Please don’t spread falsehoods.

Nothing to “think” about here @titusbramble

It is a fact that a properly worn, quality mask decreases the spread of viruses and other communicable diseases in certain locations and scenarios. No doubt.

Coronavirus Face Masks FAQs

The most recent recommendations related to prevention against the spread of COVID-19 include wearing cloth masks as an added measure of protection, particularly in areas of significant transmission.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org