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Are you in a league with that guy? (1 Viewer)

Concept Coop

Concept Coop

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I am sure this has been done and that if I did a search, I could find all of said guys. But it's slow...

Who is that guy in your league?

I'll start:

Let me tell you why the trade I just proposed is lopsided in your favor guy.

Example: "Sidney is going to have Jackson throwing him the ball. On the other hand, Bennett is a FA next season and could be a top 5-7 TE in 2012. If you want a top, young TE, this is a good deal for you."

Let me tell you why my pick is so great and why I am so shocked that he is still here guy.

Example: 4.02 44. TEAM A, SPILLER, C.J. BUF RB - He is going be top 10 in PPR this year. They drafted him high and he is uber talented. Steal at this point.

Let me tell you why the deal that I just proposed, that you declined, is still in your favor guy.

Example: Will adding a 3rd rounder get it done? I know you don't want to give up Rice, but Bennett was a 2nd round pick too. If Witten wasn't there, he would be a star."

 
'Concept Coop said:
I am sure this has been done and that if I did a search, I could find all of said guys. But it's slow...

Who is that guy in your league?

I'll start:

Let me tell you why the trade I just proposed is lopsided in your favor guy.

Example: "Sidney is going to have Jackson throwing him the ball. On the other hand, Bennett is a FA next season and could be a top 5-7 TE in 2012. If you want a top, young TE, this is a good deal for you."

Let me tell you why my pick is so great and why I am so shocked that he is still here guy.

Example: 4.02 44. TEAM A, SPILLER, C.J. BUF RB - He is going be top 10 in PPR this year. They drafted him high and he is uber talented. Steal at this point.

Let me tell you why the deal that I just proposed, that you declined, is still in your favor guy.

Example: Will adding a 3rd rounder get it done? I know you don't want to give up Rice, but Bennett was a 2nd round pick too. If Witten wasn't there, he would be a star."
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I know what this is about.and I agree 100%

 
'Dope said:
'Concept Coop said:
I am sure this has been done and that if I did a search, I could find all of said guys. But it's slow...

Who is that guy in your league?

I'll start:

Let me tell you why the trade I just proposed is lopsided in your favor guy.

Example: "Sidney is going to have Jackson throwing him the ball. On the other hand, Bennett is a FA next season and could be a top 5-7 TE in 2012. If you want a top, young TE, this is a good deal for you."

Let me tell you why my pick is so great and why I am so shocked that he is still here guy.

Example: 4.02 44. TEAM A, SPILLER, C.J. BUF RB - He is going be top 10 in PPR this year. They drafted him high and he is uber talented. Steal at this point.

Let me tell you why the deal that I just proposed, that you declined, is still in your favor guy.

Example: Will adding a 3rd rounder get it done? I know you don't want to give up Rice, but Bennett was a 2nd round pick too. If Witten wasn't there, he would be a star."
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I know what this is about.and I agree 100%
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I'm going through this right now with a guy in my fantasy basketball league...
 
It's obviously not the same as what y'all are describing in here, but I do like to get explanations from trade partners, and I like explaining myself. It's not at all unusual for a trade partner to bring up a point I hadn't thought of.

I especially think it's nice for guys to provide explanations as to why they don't want to accept a trade, even if it's as simple as "I'm much higher on player X and lower on player Y than you are." When I make trade offers out of the blue, I tend to explain my thoughts...often in trying to do so, I realize my offer is not a good one, and I'm forced to re-evaluate my offer. I wish EVERYONE did this, as I'd probably get fewer ridiculously lopsided offers.

You can explain your reasoning/thinking without being a dousche about it...in most of the examples givn above, one guy was clearly acting like a dousche.

 
'thriftyrocker said:
If you think you don't send out lowball offers and try to justify them, you're either a bad negotiator or fooling yourself.
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I don't send lowball offers and try to paint them up. When I get them, they are insulting and it sours me on the owner. I wouldn't want to do that to others in my league, out of respect and preservation of communication lines down the road. Honestly, I don't even want to be in leagues with guys that would accept what I would consider an insulting, low ball offer. We could have a different definition of the term "low ball". Obviously, every trade offer I send benefits me, in my opinion at the time. I know that other owners are going to do the same, so trades are often going to be slanted in their favor. I don't mind that. But don't insult me and don't be condescending. Actual offers within the last 2 months (different owners):I won't be insulted receiving the following, even though it is clearly in the other guys favor : BMW/1.11 for Sidney Rice/2.13But this is insulting and a waste of time, especially when you talk to me as though I don't know who these players are or follow the guys on my team AT ALL: M. Bennett for S. Rice
 
In a few leagues with a FBG'er who responds to trade rejections with something along the lines of... "Wow, suprised you rejected that actually". Quite annoying...

 
'Concept Coop said:
'thriftyrocker said:
If you think you don't send out lowball offers and try to justify them, you're either a bad negotiator or fooling yourself.
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I don't send lowball offers and try to paint them up. When I get them, they are insulting and it sours me on the owner. I wouldn't want to do that to others in my league, out of respect and preservation of communication lines down the road. Honestly, I don't even want to be in leagues with guys that would accept what I would consider an insulting, low ball offer. We could have a different definition of the term "low ball". Obviously, every trade offer I send benefits me, in my opinion at the time. I know that other owners are going to do the same, so trades are often going to be slanted in their favor. I don't mind that. But don't insult me and don't be condescending.

Actual offers within the last 2 months (different owners):

I won't be insulted receiving the following, even though it is clearly in the other guys favor : BMW/1.11 for Sidney Rice/2.13

But this is insulting and a waste of time, especially when you talk to me as though I don't know who these players are or follow the guys on my team AT ALL: M. Bennett for S. Rice
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Maybe we are talking semantics but I never send out what I would call low ball offers either. I try to make an offer that if I were the owner on the side, I would consider it a fair offer. That does not mean it is always my absolute best offer, I might be willing to tweak it slightly, but there is not a whole lot of wiggle room - my first offer is generally about all that I am willing to give up.If I get an insulting offer, I really don't take that owner seriously after that. I may glance at their future offers, but I never counter offer, since obviously they have proven that they don't make serious offers to begin with (they are just hoping to find a sucker). Perhaps I am a bad negotiator, but if so, I am one who has been consistently successful in dynasty leagues for almost a decade.

 
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :lmao:

What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :lmao:

 
I hate the "what do you want for player x" stuff too. If you are in the market, do some of your own work,. Take a look at where I seem weak and offer me a boost in those area(s). At least show that you are making some effort before you dump all the work on me.

Another of my favorites is the guy who tries to package a scrub who came out of nowhere for one week and a few late picks for an every-week starter or a first-rounder. If your guy continues at his ceiling, it might be a decent deal, but why I am I taking on all the risk?

 
Why would you want to insult the guy that you are trying to trade with? But I guess there are guys out there like that.

Trading is part of any FF league and more important in dynasty leagues.

I enjoy the negotiations of trading even if a trade doesn't happen. Hopefully I have created a relationship that will be open to trades in the future.

Am I guilty of offering a trade lower that what I might be willing to give? Of course but at no time am I wanting to insult anyone.

What it comes down to is that everyone values players differently, and in the end one side of every trade comes out on top... and someday that will be me.

 
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :rolleyes: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :P
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Exactly. Don't ask me to make you an offer. You have a guy you are targeting, you do the work and send me an offer.
 
it is very idiotic to be insulted by an offer and close off future trade talks with the person.

i've seen some owners get insulted by offers where > 50% of people would have took the side being offering. I've found people who get insulted by offers have bizarre valuations and think everyone of their players is worth WAY more then the rest of the population.

everyone gets lowball offers, but it isn't personal and being insulted by a trade offer shows the person is weak minded IMO.

i've never been insulted by any offer, sure some are pretty off the wall but i appreciate the person at least had the balls to put an offer out there.

Most of the people who whine about trade offers usually never get trades done as they take it personal, which is pretty dumb. it takes 2 seconds to reject an offer, get over yourself like it's an inconvenience.

 
I don't get mad but I'm not big on negotiations, an offer that is low and fair I'll negotiate against. An offer that is completely off the wall I'll just respond no thanks.

I try to just send offers that I think are fair and am guily of asking "what do you want for x" sometimes which is bad, but I don't bother with trying to "steal someone".

One thing I learned over the years though, is sometimes you send an offer you think is fair and other people think it's no where close and these "awful" trade offers ended up looking good to others. So there is really such a wide range of value that people see. There are probably 4 guys in my one league I can't trade with simply because we don't agree on players values. It has nothing to do with "low ball tactics", just we never see eye to eye on a lot of players.

 
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'moderated said:
it is very idiotic to be insulted by an offer and close off future trade talks with the person.i've seen some owners get insulted by offers where > 50% of people would have took the side being offering. I've found people who get insulted by offers have bizarre valuations and think everyone of their players is worth WAY more then the rest of the population.everyone gets lowball offers, but it isn't personal and being insulted by a trade offer shows the person is weak minded IMO.i've never been insulted by any offer, sure some are pretty off the wall but i appreciate the person at least had the balls to put an offer out there.Most of the people who whine about trade offers usually never get trades done as they take it personal, which is pretty dumb. it takes 2 seconds to reject an offer, get over yourself like it's an inconvenience.
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Dumb, idiotic and weak minded--got it. I don't believe we have met, however.
 
At least for me, it's not an issue of insulted. It's more that I am not up for the repeated iterations of offer/counter that will be needed to move an unacceptable offer into a do-able one. If the original proposal is workable with some tweaks, sure. But if it is nowhere close to the ballpark, then I don't see any value in starting up serious negotiations.

 
'purplehaze67 said:
At least for me, it's not an issue of insulted. It's more that I am not up for the repeated iterations of offer/counter that will be needed to move an unacceptable offer into a do-able one. If the original proposal is workable with some tweaks, sure. But if it is nowhere close to the ballpark, then I don't see any value in starting up serious negotiations.
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I agree. When I say insulted, I don't mean that I am personally offended, or upset or mad. Just that the offer is insulting, in that a good owner would never accept it.
 
'purplehaze67 said:
At least for me, it's not an issue of insulted. It's more that I am not up for the repeated iterations of offer/counter that will be needed to move an unacceptable offer into a do-able one. If the original proposal is workable with some tweaks, sure. But if it is nowhere close to the ballpark, then I don't see any value in starting up serious negotiations.
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"I'm not interested in Bennett but would do it for Graham." Is it really that hard?
 
'belljr said:
I don't get mad but I'm not big on negotiations, an offer that is low and fair I'll negotiate against. An offer that is completely off the wall I'll just respond no thanks.I try to just send offers that I think are fair and am guily of asking "what do you want for x" sometimes which is bad, but I don't bother with trying to "steal someone". One thing I learned over the years though, is sometimes you send an offer you think is fair and other people think it's no where close and these "awful" trade offers ended up looking good to others. So there is really such a wide range of value that people see. There are probably 4 guys in my one league I can't trade with simply because we don't agree on players values. It has nothing to do with "low ball tactics", just we never see eye to eye on a lot of players.
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Sounds pretty similar to my own experiences. I think every owner is guilty of "what do you want for x" or the "quantity for quality" type offers from time to time.I have another owner who's in probably at least 4 of my leagues, we offer and counteroffer all the time but I don't think we've ever actually made a trade. We are often way off on what we think of each others players.
 
'thriftyrocker said:
'purplehaze67 said:
At least for me, it's not an issue of insulted. It's more that I am not up for the repeated iterations of offer/counter that will be needed to move an unacceptable offer into a do-able one. If the original proposal is workable with some tweaks, sure. But if it is nowhere close to the ballpark, then I don't see any value in starting up serious negotiations.
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"I'm not interested in Bennett but would do it for Graham." Is it really that hard?
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When the guy has no intentions of completing a fair deal, or one that is even close, it is. Well, not hard, but annoying and pointless. After a while, the intention of the other owner becomes obvious. Not worth the time pandering to that, in my opinion.In other words, you are right. The first time, it is not that hard. 4-44 are plenty annoying, however. I wouldn't be annoyed by one bad offer, ever. But again, when it is obvious, it is annoying to me.
 
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'belljr said:
I don't get mad but I'm not big on negotiations, an offer that is low and fair I'll negotiate against. An offer that is completely off the wall I'll just respond no thanks.I try to just send offers that I think are fair and am guily of asking "what do you want for x" sometimes which is bad, but I don't bother with trying to "steal someone". One thing I learned over the years though, is sometimes you send an offer you think is fair and other people think it's no where close and these "awful" trade offers ended up looking good to others. So there is really such a wide range of value that people see. There are probably 4 guys in my one league I can't trade with simply because we don't agree on players values. It has nothing to do with "low ball tactics", just we never see eye to eye on a lot of players.
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this is exactly how it should be.if you view an offer as bad where there is zero interest and it's too far off to negotiate something then just reject it and move on, no need to be insulted and cut off future trade talks. doing that hurts yourself as maybe next time their offer will be one you like.i know when i was a gupp i would think some offers were so bad i would just laugh, only to see down the road the side i rejected ended up better. We all value players differently which is good, but anyone who thinks their values are absolute and always right has obviosly not played this game for very long.there have been times i've offered a player who was ranked higher on almost all dynasty rankings for a lower ranked player and had the other owner scoff how bad an offer it was. I have no issue with them also valuing the lower ranked player more, but to call something like that a bad offer shows the other owner is way to high on themselves and there is a reason those type of owners never get trades done and usually end up having bad teams.there is nothing wrong with thinking an offer is bad and rejecting it, but have some respect and just turn it down without being an idiot and cutting off all future trade communications.
 
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'thriftyrocker said:
'purplehaze67 said:
At least for me, it's not an issue of insulted. It's more that I am not up for the repeated iterations of offer/counter that will be needed to move an unacceptable offer into a do-able one. If the original proposal is workable with some tweaks, sure. But if it is nowhere close to the ballpark, then I don't see any value in starting up serious negotiations.
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"I'm not interested in Bennett but would do it for Graham." Is it really that hard?
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No, that's fine if something beneficial to me was apparent upon a quick scan of rosters. But if someone is trying to get a stud for a pile of pocket lint and an empty Snickers wrapper, I am not too likely to put much effort into getting that where it needs to be.
 
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :thumbup: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :thumbup:
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
 
'davearm said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :unsure: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? ;)
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
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there is nothing wrong with any approach IMO. if the other party isn't interested in negotiating then they can just say so, no one should get their feelings hurt either way.it's FF trading people, nothing to get all worked up about.
 
'davearm said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :unsure: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? ;)
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
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At least with that, you have come to the table with something and have put out some basic parameters. I'd be inclined to take a look at your RB/WRs to see if something works. I'm not so interested in doing all the legwork when someone just says "what do you want for player x", typically a top player at his position. Usually in cases like those, I'm really not looking to move the guy and haven't given much thought to equitable trade scenarios. If you (not you specifically) are so interested, at least give me some idea of what you are looking to deal.
 
'davearm said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :angry: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :P
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
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Yeah, I have done it too on occasion and while it depends on the other owner, it can work if you approach it right. I use the tact of saying, "Would you at all be interested in moving Player X? If so, I can give you my first round pick, plus a player like Y or Z." I have yet to have anyone take offense at this (although I can't be entirely sure since some never responded to my query).
 
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To be honest, if someone doesn't reply to a trade offer from me with at least a little explanation as to why they rejected the offer, then that is just not good enough. Owners should keep the dialogue open. In one of my leagues the scant dialogue between the owners is embarrassing at times. It's a barren wasteland.

As far as the second guy you brought up there, that would probably be me. I feel the option to leave a comment with your draft pick is there for a reason, so why not use it?

 
I hate whenever I try trading with someone and they say they're interested, but they want to wait and see. Wait and see what exactly? Wait until the season starts to see if the guy you expect to break out doesn't?? Tell me exactly what you mean by wait and see!!

 
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I hate whenever I try trading with someone and they say they're interested, but they want to wait and see. Wait and see what exactly? Wait until the season starts to see if the guy you expect to break out doesn't?? Tell me exactly what you mean by wait and see!!
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Well, at this time of the year, for me it would be wait and see until after the draft. I get offers for RBs but what happens if you trade for Knowshon Moreno and then Denver acquires DeAngelo Williams? Or maybe you get Chris Ivory figuring Pierre Thomas is gone, and then New Orleans takes a RB with their first round pick? Always dangerous to trade before the draft unless you are acquiring an elite player whose value won't change because of a draft pick or a free agent signing. Outside of that, some people like to see how training camp plays out if there is a situation where there is not a clear cut starter at a position. Exceptions aside I do generally agree with you, in many cases the passage of time is irrelevant.
 
'squistion said:
'davearm said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :shrug: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? ;)
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
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Yeah, I have done it too on occasion and while it depends on the other owner, it can work if you approach it right. I use the tact of saying, "Would you at all be interested in moving Player X? If so, I can give you my first round pick, plus a player like Y or Z." I have yet to have anyone take offense at this (although I can't be entirely sure since some never responded to my query).
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I can't say that I like this tactic either. In my mind it's a way for someone to get someone else to make the first offer. If you want a player of mine, then make an offer, and in my case make your best offer because I'm not the dickering kind. If you have a player on your team that I covet, then I'll make a good offer. That's the way it ought to be. Some people can't stand to make the initial offer. I think this could cripple your ability to make trades.I can see opening dialogue, but in most cases it's one owner trying to get another owner to send him some offers.
 
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'squistion said:
'davearm said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :rolleyes: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :P
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I send out "what do you want for player X" offers quite often, but provide a framework and rationale. "I see you're dealing with some RB injuries... would you send me Andre Johnson for a WR and a RB?"It's not ideal for me to make my player valuations transparent, especially when most of the time I've got clusters of players that are interchageable. So I ask him to look over my roster and tell me the RB and the WR he likes. Better than me guessing/assuming.I see nothing wrong with this approach.
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Yeah, I have done it too on occasion and while it depends on the other owner, it can work if you approach it right. I use the tact of saying, "Would you at all be interested in moving Player X? If so, I can give you my first round pick, plus a player like Y or Z." I have yet to have anyone take offense at this (although I can't be entirely sure since some never responded to my query).
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I can't say that I like this tactic either. In my mind it's a way for someone to get someone else to make the first offer. If you want a player of mine, then make an offer, and in my case make your best offer because I'm not the dickering kind. If you have a player on your team that I covet, then I'll make a good offer. That's the way it ought to be. Some people can't stand to make the initial offer. I think this could cripple your ability to make trades.I can see opening dialogue, but in most cases it's one owner trying to get another owner to send him some offers.
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I said that it depends on the other owner, which obviously would not be you. I noted that it works on occasion, not every instance.
 
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :rolleyes: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :P
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Yeah, I can't stand owners like you. No offense! You just want offers thrown at you so you can cherry pick and you always take a little from my side and give a little to your side NO MATTER WHAT. Unless the deal is absurdly in your favor of course. These guys can't accept a fair first offer cause "nobody gives their best offer first"..It's like amateur hour at a car dealership. I'm much more of a discuss back and forth and come to a deal and then offer the agreed upon deal. When I inquire about a player you just put on the trade block, the last thing I wanna hear when I inquire is "send offers". I've inquired about which guy I like on your team, how about you do the same and we can negotiate. "send offers" translates to "eff off" in my book.Oh and the guy that just picked up some scrub right smack dab in the middle of FCFS waivers, guess what? He was there for a reason and no he isn't a PPR stud in the making. I have one guy in a league i'm in that does this over and over...and man does it grind my gears!!!
 
Everyone should ask themselves how many offers they have gotten and how many they have offered.

If you have received far more offers then you have made then you have no right to ever complain about a bad offer. Get some balls and make a few offers yourself. If someone takes the time to make you an offer appreciate it even if you don't like it. Trust me, it's much better to be someone people want to make offers to. The whiners end up alienating everyone and then wonder why no one wants to spend time making them offers, yet they are afraid to make any offers themselves.

I would much rather have a league full of people who initiate offers, even if some are bad, then the whining loser who just complains and never makes offers themselves.

 
'imagroid said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :goodposting: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :wall:
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Yeah, I can't stand owners like you. No offense! You just want offers thrown at you so you can cherry pick and you always take a little from my side and give a little to your side NO MATTER WHAT. Unless the deal is absurdly in your favor of course. These guys can't accept a fair first offer cause "nobody gives their best offer first"..It's like amateur hour at a car dealership. I'm much more of a discuss back and forth and come to a deal and then offer the agreed upon deal. When I inquire about a player you just put on the trade block, the last thing I wanna hear when I inquire is "send offers". I've inquired about which guy I like on your team, how about you do the same and we can negotiate. "send offers" translates to "eff off" in my book.Oh and the guy that just picked up some scrub right smack dab in the middle of FCFS waivers, guess what? He was there for a reason and no he isn't a PPR stud in the making. I have one guy in a league i'm in that does this over and over...and man does it grind my gears!!!
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You're dead wrong. There's nothing that says FF has to be like buying a car. I make a lot of trades and I'm very successful in this hobby. Most of the trades I make I make on the first offer. I try to make a good initial offer and other owners know this and appreciate it. I also accept some first offer trades as well. Other owners know I don't like dickering and will lose interest, so we cut to the chase you might say and do it quickly most of the time. I don't feel like I need to rob the other guy. Having said that, sometimes trade turn out unfair on either side and that's just the breaks.
 
Thought the thread was about kremenull. FBG's resident know-it-all loud mouth that I'm doubting we'll be seeing anytime soon after his commish antics.

 
I think guys in here bragging about how good a trader he is (ie making solid offers) should post their last 20 trade offers and whether they were accepted or not.

Then we'll know the truth.

 
Trading is an art, and one of the biggest separators between great fantasy players and above average ones. The reason behind it is simple - it is the only fantasy tactic that doesn't involve an owner's own decisions. A second (or rarely, third) party must be involved. Negotiating with someone else is an acquired skill and it takes time and effort.

I always like to discuss a trade, even if the offer is terrible. I want to get some idea of what they are thinking - if only to use that info to build a better trade.

This "art" is one of the reasons I decided to do Trader Joe's in the first place.

 
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :goodposting: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :lmao:
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I often respond to this with what I call "you knocked on my door" price...especially if it is a player I have don't have much interest in trading. My logic is that if someobody knocked on my door and said I want to buy your house, I would not take fair market value, but would need a great premium to move. BTW, every once in awhile this does work and nets me more than I expected and/or something well above general market value. I will say for the guy, sometimes he hits a guy or two that I really want to trade and have not yet advertised and so he will have a better chance at a fair market deal.
 
'Buckna said:
'belljr said:
I don't get mad but I'm not big on negotiations, an offer that is low and fair I'll negotiate against. An offer that is completely off the wall I'll just respond no thanks.

I try to just send offers that I think are fair and am guily of asking "what do you want for x" sometimes which is bad, but I don't bother with trying to "steal someone".

One thing I learned over the years though, is sometimes you send an offer you think is fair and other people think it's no where close and these "awful" trade offers ended up looking good to others. So there is really such a wide range of value that people see. There are probably 4 guys in my one league I can't trade with simply because we don't agree on players values. It has nothing to do with "low ball tactics", just we never see eye to eye on a lot of players.
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Sounds pretty similar to my own experiences. I think every owner is guilty of "what do you want for x" or the "quantity for quality" type offers from time to time.

I have another owner who's in probably at least 4 of my leagues, we offer and counteroffer all the time but I don't think we've ever actually made a trade. We are often way off on what we think of each others players.
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I think in every league I have a couple of guys who I have pleasant talk with and never trade with, and a couple on the other end where we can pretty much make a trade any time we talk/exchange offers.
 
'coolnerd said:
'Shane Falco said:
Sometimes I'd rather get a lowball offer than another message saying "what do you want for player X?" :coffee: What do I WANT? I want two 1st round picks and Adrian Peterson, what is your counter? :P
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I often respond to this with what I call "you knocked on my door" price...especially if it is a player I have don't have much interest in trading. My logic is that if someobody knocked on my door and said I want to buy your house, I would not take fair market value, but would need a great premium to move. BTW, every once in awhile this does work and nets me more than I expected and/or something well above general market value. I will say for the guy, sometimes he hits a guy or two that I really want to trade and have not yet advertised and so he will have a better chance at a fair market deal.
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don't really agree with this. if you're confident you have better then a coinflip chance to win the trade you should take it.
 
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