Arian Foster inactive Week #1 (1 Viewer)

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Posted at 3am this Morning....

Replay Tuesday’s NFL/Texans chat with John McClain

http://blog.chron.com/nfl/2011/09/li...130-a-m-today/

Fans ask him about that.

He responds:John McClain:

"What they've done since camp is when they're 100 percent, they'll wait one more week. Foster could have played if it were the playoffs or the playoffs were on the line. I expect him to practice Wednesday and play Sunday."

 

[rizzler]

We'll know today. and my money (and hope) is on him practicing.

PLEASE FOSTER!!!

 

[PatsFanCT]

I wouldn't expect him to carry the whole load even if he does play. I still advocate trading him if you can get a good return.

 

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I wouldn't expect him to carry the whole load even if he does play. I still advocate trading him if you can get a good return.

Define Good Return? I'm sorry but I don't see him relinquishing the lead back role once he's healthy. Sure Tate will spell him, but once he's back on the field I fully anticipate Foster to continue scoring at a top 5-7 RB level. Is there some reason (outside a hunch) that indicates that Foster will return to a full blown RBBC?I expect Foster to be eased back into his role...perhaps a 50/50 split this week (assuming he plays). I don't expect him to get every carry like last year but IMO he's their horse and I think he'll get the lions share of the carries once he returns to the field.

 

[wudaben]

Even last year they started getting Ward a fairly decent amount of touches to keep Foster fresh so I would expect the same.

 

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Even last year they started getting Ward a fairly decent amount of touches to keep Foster fresh so I would expect the same.

No doubt someone will be getting a few carries but I wouldn't call what Ward got to be much of the pie:
3 HOU DAL 2 4 0 4 HOU OAK 12 80 1 5 HOU NYG 1 1 1 6 HOU KC 3 58 1 8 HOU IND 2 5 09 HOU SD 5 12 010 HOU JAX 3 11 011 HOU NYJ 2 0 012 HOU TEN 7 47 0 13 HOU PHI 2 15 0 14 HOU BAL 1 3 015 HOU TEN 6 15 016 HOU DEN 1 3 0 17 HOU JAX 4 63 1IMO I see a 70/30ish split once Foster gets up to speed.... Tate will spell him (much like Ward did last year) but Foster will get the lions share of the carries. THere aren't a whole lot of backs I trade him for right now. Not CJ3... not Charles... Not Gore... I think FBG has him in the right spot on their Top 250+ Forwardthis week. Everyone else has question marks surrounding them as well.

 

[GregR]

I would rather acquire Foster from an owner who is panicking on him than I would trade him. The offensive line has looked great. They have been effective in the red zone. James Casey has shown he can fill in adequately for Vonta Leach.

Kubiak has stated Foster should get the ball 75% of the time so I'm not worried about a RBBC. Tate is not a better goal line runner than Foster so I'm not worried about Foster getting pulled there. I would buy on Foster, not sell.

 

[rizzler]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

 

[Rick James]

offering Felix Jones and Percy Harvin to the disgruntled Foster owner, who lost last week...I don't know, he may bite.

 

[Tanner9919]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

I agree that it won't be RBBC when he comes back..as trading Foster, it all depends on what you can get for him,and what you might need ( weakness on your team). I dealt Foster in a keeper league, I'm strong at RB with Ray Rice, while weak at WR, so it made sense....just looking at the big picture..Hammy injuries linger, players come back too soon,and reinjure themselves.trading Foster is not for everyone but if you're strong at RB it could work out ..( I also managed to get Tate off of waivers, so that's my lottery ticket if Foster gets hurt again, but being that it is a keeper league, you never know who is going to be the opening day starter in 2012)

 

[pantherclub]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

Just curious why do you say that?I would think the opposite since Tate showed he has talent and Foster is still a bit gimpy. Its a long season after all. I dont think Tates carry will exceed Foster but I can see him getting 10 a game.

 

[We Tigers]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

Just curious why do you say that?I would think the opposite since Tate showed he has talent and Foster is still a bit gimpy. Its a long season after all. I dont think Tates carry will exceed Foster but I can see him getting 10 a game.

Ward showed plenty of talent last year and got what he got. If Tate does see 10 a game, I expect it'd be because the Texans just take the air out of the ball and run the backs 500+ times this year when they realize no one can stop them. Tate might have won garbage time in 2 TD games.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I would rather acquire Foster from an owner who is panicking on him than I would trade him. The offensive line has looked great. They have been effective in the red zone. James Casey has shown he can fill in adequately for Vonta Leach. Kubiak has stated Foster should get the ball 75% of the time so I'm not worried about a RBBC. Tate is not a better goal line runner than Foster so I'm not worried about Foster getting pulled there. I would buy on Foster, not sell.

Yes.Furthermore, think about this: some prognosticators have remarked that it's statistically unlikely that Foster repeats last year's performance. But in the real world, there's a perfect storm brewing here to allow Foster to have another monster season:

• The Houston defense

If Houston contunues to improve on defense, this helps the running game. Schaub won't need to throw 35 passes to stay in games.

• Kubiak on the hot seat

According to NFL insiders, Kubiak is on the hot seat this season. Does anyone think that Kubiak is going to trust Tate and his fumbling? Kubiak is going to grind Foster in the ground to get to the playoffs.

• Foster's contract

Foster is playing for a huge contract this season. He'll be motivated to dominate again. If he does, he'll become one of the top five highest paid RBs in the league.

I own Tate as well, so as far as I'm concerned, I'll be happy if Houston rests Foster for as many games as he needs. But people that are trying to sell Foster are making a mistake.

 

[Herm23]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

Just curious why do you say that?I would think the opposite since Tate showed he has talent and Foster is still a bit gimpy. Its a long season after all. I dont think Tates carry will exceed Foster but I can see him getting 10 a game.

I continue to be confused by people saying this and I am curious if you actually watched the game and came away with this opinion or are just basing it off of the final numbers he put up (serious question and I'm not taking a shot- I'm genuinely interested if you watched the game). I ask the question because as someone who watched the game, as I said earlier in the thread, I came away wholly unimpressed by Tate. To me, he seemed to clearly lack explosion, didn't have great vision, and generally appeared a full step slower than Foster looked at any point last year. There were multiple runs where he missed holes/cutbacks and took small gains when they could have been more. Last year, Foster was so great at always finding the cutback lane and exploding through the hole to hit the 2nd level, but Tate seemed to run into a clogged line and not find the hole on many occassions. I think he looked adaquate, but reminded me more of a bowling ball who is capable of running well in a straight line fashion and certainly can be a competent running back, but lacked a lot of the explosiveness, shiftiness, and instant pop that made Foster so effective last year. If anything, I came away from watching Sunday's game with the impression that Foster's job is more secure than ever. Any lingering doubts I had in my mind that he could fall victim to simply being a system back (which I think to a small degree he is) and be forced into a committee if he ever went down to injury and someone filled in well for him went away because I don't think Tate is good enough to relegate him to any form of a timeshare.I am curious to hear your opinion and the opinion of others that watched the game (not just someone looking at the stat line because I think the stat line is a little deceiving) to see what I may be missing from Tate's performance.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

Just curious why do you say that?

You must not have read through this thread.

 

[pantherclub]

I would buy on Foster, not sell.

anyone thinking a RBBC is coming, is sadly mistaken

Just curious why do you say that?I would think the opposite since Tate showed he has talent and Foster is still a bit gimpy. Its a long season after all. I dont think Tates carry will exceed Foster but I can see him getting 10 a game.

I continue to be confused by people saying this and I am curious if you actually watched the game and came away with this opinion or are just basing it off of the final numbers he put up (serious question and I'm not taking a shot- I'm genuinely interested if you watched the game). I ask the question because as someone who watched the game, as I said earlier in the thread, I came away wholly unimpressed by Tate. To me, he seemed to clearly lack explosion, didn't have great vision, and generally appeared a full step slower than Foster looked at any point last year. There were multiple runs where he missed holes/cutbacks and took small gains when they could have been more. Last year, Foster was so great at always finding the cutback lane and exploding through the hole to hit the 2nd level, but Tate seemed to run into a clogged line and not find the hole on many occassions. I think he looked adaquate, but reminded me more of a bowling ball who is capable of running well in a straight line fashion and certainly can be a competent running back, but lacked a lot of the explosiveness, shiftiness, and instant pop that made Foster so effective last year. If anything, I came away from watching Sunday's game with the impression that Foster's job is more secure than ever. Any lingering doubts I had in my mind that he could fall victim to simply being a system back (which I think to a small degree he is) and be forced into a committee if he ever went down to injury and someone filled in well for him went away because I don't think Tate is good enough to relegate him to any form of a timeshare.I am curious to hear your opinion and the opinion of others that watched the game (not just someone looking at the stat line because I think the stat line is a little deceiving) to see what I may be missing from Tate's performance.

Honestly I thought Tate looked exactly like Foster. He would hit the whole and go and didnt stop until 2-3 guys had him. I just think that maybe the Texans use Tate more (maybe like the Jets from 2 years ago) to pound the ball and not wear down Foster especially now that he is a bit hurt. I plan to start Tate this weekend and gamble he gets his carries.

 

[Grahamburn]

Honestly I thought Tate looked exactly like Foster. He would hit the whole and go and didnt stop until 2-3 guys had him. I just think that maybe the Texans use Tate more (maybe like the Jets from 2 years ago) to pound the ball and not wear down Foster especially now that he is a bit hurt. I plan to start Tate this weekend and gamble he gets his carries.

One of the few posts in here that makes some sense.

 

[pantherclub]

Honestly I thought Tate looked exactly like Foster. He would hit the whole and go and didnt stop until 2-3 guys had him. I just think that maybe the Texans use Tate more (maybe like the Jets from 2 years ago) to pound the ball and not wear down Foster especially now that he is a bit hurt. I plan to start Tate this weekend and gamble he gets his carries.

One of the few posts in here that makes some sense.

Thats my first in a while given my recent track record.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

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RB Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to practice today. Kubiak said he took a normal Wed load for a starter. "Everything was positive."

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Rotoworld...

"Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to Texans practice on Wednesday.

Coach Gary Kubiak described Foster's practice participation as a "normal Wednesday load for a starter." The indication there is that the Texans expect Foster to start against Miami. "Everything was positive," added Kubiak. Foster will have to make it through the week setback-free, but early signs are very encouraging. The Texans were smart to avoid rushing Foster back for Week 1. Ben Tate and Derrick Ward will go back to the bench if Foster starts. "

Giggity!

 

[longlip]

RB Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to practice today. Kubiak said he took a normal Wed load for a starter. "Everything was positive."

 

[The Hank]

RB Arian Foster (hamstring) returned to practice today. Kubiak said he took a normal Wed load for a starter. "Everything was positive."

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[Dizzy]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

 

[Captain Hook]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

because they might try and limit his carries until the hamstring is 100% - also want to make sure he is full speed for the playoffs which they think they will get to

 

[rizzler]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

Kubiak already clarified this situation. Anyone who chooses to ignore it is merely making excuses because they don't own him. Is Tate the first backup to ever have a good game when a starter was out? No. And he won't be the last.It's beyond humorous to think that Foster, who DESTROYED every other RB last season, who has proven he can pass protect, pickup blitzes and dominate rushing/tds is magically going to be benched or put into a committee.

Yes, I own FOster in one league, but I also DON'T own him in multiple other leagues, in which there is money on the line and in which I expect to be dominated when it comes time to face him.

 

[rizzler]

Coach Gary Kubiak described Foster's practice participation as a "normal Wednesday load for a starter." The indication there is that the Texans expect Foster to start against Miami. "Everything was positive," added Kubiak. "If he can play, you play. There won't be being careful with him."

Let me guess... coach speak, right?

ANy other excuses?

 

[Funkley]

Only in the SP can you find guys arguing about running back vision from behind a keyboard while sitting on the coach.

 

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Only in the SP can you find guys arguing about running back vision from behind a keyboard while sitting on the coach.

Whoa... hey now....

 

[rizzler]

Only in the SP can you find guys arguing about running back vision from behind a keyboard while sitting on the coach.

Whoa... hey now....

Shotgun not Rex Ryan!

 

[Apple Jack]

Coach Gary Kubiak described Foster's practice participation as a "normal Wednesday load for a starter." The indication there is that the Texans expect Foster to start against Miami. "Everything was positive," added Kubiak. "If he can play, you play. There won't be being careful with him."

Let me guess... coach speak, right?

ANy other excuses?

Exactly what you want to hear if you have Foster. Not sure any other words could be more encouraging. As for protecting the hamstring, that's what sitting last week was for. Sounds to me that they consider him 100%.

 

[az_prof]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

Kubiak already clarified this situation. Anyone who chooses to ignore it is merely making excuses because they don't own him. Is Tate the first backup to ever have a good game when a starter was out? No. And he won't be the last.It's beyond humorous to think that Foster, who DESTROYED every other RB last season, who has proven he can pass protect, pickup blitzes and dominate rushing/tds is magically going to be benched or put into a committee.

Yes, I own FOster in one league, but I also DON'T own him in multiple other leagues, in which there is money on the line and in which I expect to be dominated when it comes time to face him.

Beyond humorous?Why is it humorous to think that a team might want to limit carries for its star back so that he is more likely to stay healthy and be available all season and into the playoffs? Aside from ADP, CJ, Ray Rice, MJD, and Frank Gore, there are not too many HBs who do not share at least 30-40% of the carries. It could be that the difference between ADP and Gerhart is the same as Foster and Tate, but that isn't clear to me.

 

[pantherclub]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

Kubiak already clarified this situation. Anyone who chooses to ignore it is merely making excuses because they don't own him. Is Tate the first backup to ever have a good game when a starter was out? No. And he won't be the last.It's beyond humorous to think that Foster, who DESTROYED every other RB last season, who has proven he can pass protect, pickup blitzes and dominate rushing/tds is magically going to be benched or put into a committee.

Yes, I own FOster in one league, but I also DON'T own him in multiple other leagues, in which there is money on the line and in which I expect to be dominated when it comes time to face him.

Beyond humorous?Why is it humorous to think that a team might want to limit carries for its star back so that he is more likely to stay healthy and be available all season and into the playoffs? Aside from ADP, CJ, Ray Rice, MJD, and Frank Gore, there are not too many HBs who do not share at least 30-40% of the carries. It could be that the difference between ADP and Gerhart is the same as Foster and Tate, but that isn't clear to me.

I would have to think regardless of what the coach says that if the Texans get up 14 or so points this weekend you will probably see more Tate the usual. If its a tight game then maybe not. I would think it would be idiotic for the Texans to give their star running back coming off an injury 20+ carries in the 2nd game of the year.

 

[rizzler]

Why is it humorous to think that a team might want to limit carries for its star back so that he is more likely to stay healthy and be available all season and into the playoffs?

We are DEFINITELY going to have to agree to disagree here. Big time.So did the oilers give Gretzky 12min a game so he's fresh for the playoffs? Ovechkin? Crosby?Do the Yankees give Jeter half the season off for the playoffs?Lebron gets 20mins a game to keep him fresh for the playoff run?Playoffs aren't a sure thing in ANY sport... And since when did the Texans become the Pats of playoff runs? They will use their best players and use them hard to get to the postseason. FOster isn't going to be kept fresh, for any reason.Kubiak is out of a job if he tries that and fails.

 

[RUSF18]

But getting Tate enough carries to keep Foster fresh/healthy doesn't equate to RBBC like some are suggesting. Not even close.

 

[pantagrapher]

If Foster is a top-5 NFL RB, why on earth would HOU suddenly go to RBBC?

I would think the Staff is happy with what they've seen from Tate (and Ward) in relief and are thankful to have those guys backing up Arian Foster... and I can't see why Foster wouldn't be the workhorse again when he returns.

You think Kubiak is going to sit idly by while Tate's fantasy owners suffer?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

 

[rizzler]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

 

[PatsFanCT]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

Well, there's not. In fact, he has a better chance of finishing outside the top three than in it, and if you think otherwise, you're probably new to Fantasy Football. He's not surprising any team he faces this year, and every one of them have game planned for him. It's not to say he wont be a great RB, but you're crazy if you don't lower your expectations from last year.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

Be careful with Foster this week, that is all that I will say at this time. Remember I was the first to say Foster would not play last week and to start Tate.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Even if he returns this week, I doubt he'll get the full load. He's probably gonna test out the hammy and save it for next week against the Saints...

 

[rizzler]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

Be careful with Foster this week, that is all that I will say at this time. Remember I was the first to say Foster would not play last week and to start Tate.

meaning what exactly?You an inside source in Foster's left leg?

 

[jackdubl]

Everyone ignored that Tate fumbled near his own goalline and it led to Indy's only score. Kub don't like that. I imagine Ward would have carried more from there on if he had still been in the game.

 

[dagwood]

Even if he returns this week, I doubt he'll get the full load. He's probably gonna test out the hammy and save it for next week against the Saints...

According to several twitter sources he took a full load of practice reps today

 

[rizzler]

Even if he returns this week, I doubt he'll get the full load. He's probably gonna test out the hammy and save it for next week against the Saints...

According to several twitter sources he took a full load of practice reps today

Or according to Kubiak who JUST SAID he will not ease him back him.. If he's in, he's in.Do people purposely neglect fact in exachange for their own whimsical predictions?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Yeah and coaches always tell the truth.

 

[dagwood]

Probably safe to say the playing Tate would be a risky play this week.

Still want to watch to see if he practices fully tomorrow and Friday but its certainly lookin up.

 

[pantherclub]

But getting Tate enough carries to keep Foster fresh/healthy doesn't equate to RBBC like some are suggesting. Not even close.

I totally agree with this post

 

[rizzler]

Yeah and coaches always tell the truth.

Has Kubiak been blowing smoke in regards to Foster at all in the last weeks? Didn't think so.

 

[Apple Jack]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

Be careful with Foster this week, that is all that I will say at this time. Remember I was the first to say Foster would not play last week and to start Tate.

You were also the guy who suggested I start Mathews over Tolbert last week.

 

[longlip]

Well, I wish all you Foster owners luck, but I am so glad I passed him up for Ray Rice. There's no reason to think Foster is going to put up the same numbers as last year even without the hammy issue. Some people here think this guy changes in a phone booth before taking the field.

nope, none

Be careful with Foster this week, that is all that I will say at this time. Remember I was the first to say Foster would not play last week and to start Tate.

You were also the guy who suggested I start Mathews over Tolbert last week.

nice

 

[Shutout]

Why is it humorous to think that a team might want to limit carries for its star back so that he is more likely to stay healthy and be available all season and into the playoffs?

We are DEFINITELY going to have to agree to disagree here. Big time.So did the oilers give Gretzky 12min a game so he's fresh for the playoffs? Ovechkin? Crosby?

Do the Yankees give Jeter half the season off for the playoffs?

Lebron gets 20mins a game to keep him fresh for the playoff run?

Playoffs aren't a sure thing in ANY sport... And since when did the Texans become the Pats of playoff runs? They will use their best players and use them hard to get to the postseason. FOster isn't going to be kept fresh, for any reason.

Kubiak is out of a job if he tries that and fails.

Exactly right. This is a mild form of lunacy with this timeshare idea and it only occurs because its Foster and there are still people stinging from missing the boat. If Peterson sat a week and then came back, would people be saying the same thing? Of course not. if it were gore (with a better backup in Hunter?) Not likely. When Rice has been dinged up and McGahee was in town (you know, the same McGahee that so many people are now loving), did people suggest that? No. This is nothing more than haters still hating/disbelieving multiplied by people who burnt a high pick on tate last year still wanting to get something from him.

But what Rizz said above is the bottom line: this is a coaching hot seat. Kubes MUST win this year. And Kubes knows that ARIAN FOSTER WAS THE LEADING RUSHER IN THE NFL LAST SEASON. So, I'm pretty sure that Kubiak doesn't really care if it takes 400 carries.