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mulliganman
Footballguy
Nope. The team will live and die with Warner. Don't know about Beanie.
jaylasoul14
Footballguy
just a hunch, beanie gets 10/100 1td this week
kutta
Footballguy
There really isn't much going on. Hopefully everyone gets a little healthier. No serious talk at all about Warner being benched, except by people calling into shows. But nothing from the team or writers in the know. Not even a hint.
We also have not heard about Beanie at all this week.
One interesting note is that this could be the first blackout since the new stadium. There are still 1500 seats left and they need to be sold by Thursday afternoon. I, of course, am doing my part and will be at the game...
We also have not heard about Beanie at all this week.
One interesting note is that this could be the first blackout since the new stadium. There are still 1500 seats left and they need to be sold by Thursday afternoon. I, of course, am doing my part and will be at the game...
The Jerk
Footballguy
I looked for news yesterday and found just a little at azcentral.com.
Beanie was excused from practice on Wednesday to attend to a personal matter.
I also saw fan speculation suggesting that until Wells is better at pass protection, he would continue to see his snaps limited. Again, fan speculation, so not much credibility.
I was hoping for more information myself, but what are you going to do?
Beanie was excused from practice on Wednesday to attend to a personal matter.
I also saw fan speculation suggesting that until Wells is better at pass protection, he would continue to see his snaps limited. Again, fan speculation, so not much credibility.
I was hoping for more information myself, but what are you going to do?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Hightower will be good for about 120 yards rushing, 40 yards receiving, and maybe a long td or two.
he's going to be a first-class FF stud this weekend!
they play Houston,and they're coming off the bye week,well rested
he's going to be a first-class FF stud this weekend!
they play Houston,and they're coming off the bye week,well rested
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
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analog_hiss
Footballguy
Any word on S. Breaston? He was drafted late in my league, dropped after injury, and is just sitting on waivers. FBG 250 forward have him ranked slightly higher than K. Walter, my 5th WR.
I personally think Warner's schedule looks pretty awesome: Texans this week, two games against the Rams, one against the Lions and one against a suddenly iffy Titans D.
Weeks 15 and 16 are the Lions and the Rams as well, so he could be a real playoff/championship factor, if he can stay healthy.
Weeks 15 and 16 are the Lions and the Rams as well, so he could be a real playoff/championship factor, if he can stay healthy.
That Little Voice
Footballguy
Agree.Week 1: Boldin and Breaston were injured. SF D was obviously a lot better than anyone expected.Week 2: Carved up the Jags.Week 3: Constant pressure from the Colts after falling behind and still put up some decent numbers.Team is 1-2. An early bye may have been good for this squad. I think that all Cardinal players (save for Hightower IMO) are table-pounding buys.And as said above, Fitz is about to go on a tear. The cream always rises.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
For the same reason I picked up the Cards D as a spot starter. They have not been dependable as a fantasy start this year, and will likely finish way outside the top 15, but the upside is there in terms of keeping points down against teams like CAR, TEN, SEA twice, and that dream playoff schedule of SF, DET and STL.
Tong Po
Footballguy
I'm confused as to why so many people seem to think Warner is on any kind of a leash. Through the first 3 weeks, he's averaged 287 passing yards, around a 65 completion percentage and over 10 yards per completion. And that's with a soar shoulder and 2 of his top 3 receivers out Week 1.He's not exactly stinking up the joint.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
There is a difference between fantasy QB and NFL QB. You're also looking at the total/average when weeks 1 and 3 were awful performances.
Tong Po
Footballguy
I was actually referring to his numbers as an "NFL quarterback", not a fantasy QB. The OP questioned, as many others have, whether or not Warner is on a short leash as the starting QB for the Cards. He obviously hasn't been tearing it up from a fantasy perspective because he only has 4 TDs in 3 games.Also, like others have pointed out in this thready, Warner played without Boldin and Breaston in Week 1... and was tormented with blitzes in Week 3. I think it's a little early to label Warner as some kind of bust this year. If he can stay healthy, I think he'll be just fine.
kutta
Footballguy
I'm curious if you have watched the Cardinals play this year. I think most people who have seen him play, including preseason, agree that "something" is missing this year. Through 3 preseason games and three regular season games, Warner has looked average. He seems to have trouble throwing the deep ball. And if a pass is longer than 15 yards, it's hit or miss whether it will be on target.I am not in the camp that thinks he might be getting benched or anything like that. I am just stating that, for whatever reason, through six games this year (including preseason) he has not looked like the QB he was last year.
Hopefully the bye week will help and the Cards will come out on fire. But I would not be surprised to see a 280 yd, 1 TD, 2 int, 4 sack game this week.
One more thing. It sounds like I am down on Warner and I am a little. But I did just trade for him (I also have Flacco) because I got him relatively cheap and I love his upcoming schedule. If they can get things back on track, I think he will have a very good fantasy season.
Phurfur
Footballguy
1) When did we start counting what we see in pre-season?2) I think Warner just set the all time record for single game passing percentage, go figure?
I've seen the games and Warner is not the problem.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
Warner played a tough SF defense and was blown out by Indy and put up decent stats
He then broke an NFL record vs the Jags
Had 2 weeks for him and his WRs to get healthy
Fitz has yet to get going
Cake schedule coming up especially playoffs
Can't say buy low enough!!!!! It may be too late after this weekend
He then broke an NFL record vs the Jags
Had 2 weeks for him and his WRs to get healthy
Fitz has yet to get going
Cake schedule coming up especially playoffs
Can't say buy low enough!!!!! It may be too late after this weekend
sho nuff
Footballguy
120 yards rushing? Is he going to get 50 carries?
DoubleG
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Who knows what will happen with Warner and the Cards going forward, but they are certainly both pariahs this year in fantasy for some reason. You mention the lack of the long ball, but the same was said about Favre before the Green Bay game too. Things change in the NFL fast. Favre went from an old broken down game manager to good 'ole Brett Favre in a single week. I'm not ready to shovel dirt on Warner. He's had 2 mediocre games against two very good D's and 1 good game. There is no doubt the Cards have one of the most talented trio's of WR's if not the most talented, no run game and a weak D. That's usually as a recipe for gaudy passing #s. As long as Warner doesn't get hurt, and there are no guarantees of that for any QB, he is still driving the bus of a potentially awesome fantasy producing O. What I've noticed is the O-line so far isn't doing the same job they did at the end of last year and the post season. That to me is the biggest problem. It remains to be seen if they can get it back together, but they have the same players as last year so hopefully they can.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Hope so. Starting Hightower, Slaton and Walter.
jaylasoul14
Footballguy
let the beanie era begin!
kutta
Footballguy
1) We start counting what we see in preseason when the coaches and players talked all preseason about how the offense could not move the ball, about how they didn't know what was wrong, and about how things just were not the same as last year. Then when the regular season started, it mirrored the preseason.2) He set a completion record. But he had absolutely no deep passes. I think the longest pass play of that entire game was 22 yards, and I would be very surprised if the ball ever traveled more than 15 yards in the air.
Look, this isn't just me (and others here) saying there is concern. It's the Cardinals players and coaches too. Here are some links:
Cards Lacking Big Pass Plays
Fitzgerald scored seven times in four postseason games, and three of those scores came from beyond 40 yards.
But through three games this season, that play has been absent from the offense. The Cardinals, who had 35 pass plays of at least 25 yards last season, have only three this year. Fitzgerald, who had 13 of them during the 2008 regular season, has only two.
The Cardinals (1-2) are concerned about the lack of big pass plays, but not to the point of panic.
Warner downplays passing record
Warner completed 24 of 26 passes last week in a victory over Jacksonville, setting an NFL record for completion percentage in a game.
On Monday, however, he deflected much of the credit, saying he "almost feels like I stole the record a little bit."
Most of the completions were short passes with the same degree of difficulty as a cannonball plunge into the pool.
Discussion of offense after week 1
The Cardinals offense believes it's much better than it showed last week when myriad problems kept it grounded. Quarterback Kurt Warner was inaccurate, the offensive line didn't protect and the receivers didn't produce. The whole unit was as sharp as a spoon.
The Cardinals offense looked like that at times a year ago, too, but usually a big play would act as defibrillator, shocking it back into rhythm.
"I think you get the sense we're close," Warner said. "But at the same time, not making those plays and not executing to that degree still puts that doubt in your head. When we're all taking turns (making mistakes), it doesn't bode well for you."
Comment from Cards beat writer about offense after game 1
Ah, the offense. It sputtered and misfired all day, much like it did during a 0-4 preseason.
Quote from Wiz after game 1
"It's hard when you miss throws, when you drop balls, when you (are) offsides, when you have holding penalties, when you get it third and 15s. It's hard to establish a rhythm."
Good article after game 1 about how the Cards have problems
It isn't so much the 0-1 record, which can be easily rectified. It's the lack of clarity. It's the unknown ingredient missing from a once-savory stew. It's the nagging fear that last year was too good to be true, and certainly too good to be duplicated. Though you can find countless reasons why the Cardinals flopped in their first game of the 2009 season, from the abundance of penalties to a punchless offense, what you can't find are sensible explanations.
Like, how is this happening?
"It's a lot more work than it should be," quarterback Kurt Warner said. "I don't know what it is. I can't put my finger on it."
Notes about Warner and Wiz being "digusted" with the preseason
If you couldn't tell by the tone of their voices, Whisenhunt and Warner are monitoring the situation closely. Already, both men have expressed a high level of disgust at how the Cardinals have performed in preseason games, heightening the sense of urgency around water coolers in Maricopa County.
Warner says team was "embarrassed" in preseason
From an Arizona perspective, the worst preseason imaginable might be the best thing that's ever happened to this team. Warner said the team was successful only in "embarrassing ourselves"
I could find more. The entire fan base here in AZ feels that "something" is missing this year from the Cards offense. Whether it's Warner or not will play out in the next few games. I am hoping they can bring it together and start clicking. But I just don't understand why people refuse to acknowledge that things are different and Warner does not look the same this year as last.
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kutta
Footballguy
I am not shoveling dirt on Warner either. Heck, as I stated above, I just traded for him. And I am starting him this week.I just think we need to acknowledge that this is not the same team, at least at this point in the year, as last year's team. And the numbers are going to be harder to come by. And Warner has not been as crisp, especially on the deep balls, this year as last.
jagbag
Footballguy
Breaston now listed as questionable. He should play barring a setback in pre-game warmups from what I've read.
He had two good games before the bye week. I thought the injury would have healed over the bye.
AZ homers, what is the exact injury ? and is there reason for concern ?
He had two good games before the bye week. I thought the injury would have healed over the bye.
AZ homers, what is the exact injury ? and is there reason for concern ?
jamil
Footballguy
texans give out big games because they have been giving up 50+ yard runs. it actually hasn't been that bad until they break the long one.... something hightower can not do. warner and the WRs have a big day.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Thank you...finally someone w/ some sanity. Houston's problem isn't giving up 5-8 yd runs consistently...it's been the homerun. Look at what MJD did against them--61 yd TD run; Chris Johnson broke off long ones too. THT lacks the wiggle to break free, and the speed to take it to the house. If any AZ RB gets 120 rush yds it'll be Beanie on about 4 carries...
The Jerk
Footballguy
Although you are correct that the Texans lead the league in runs of 20 yards or longer (8) and 40 yards or longer (3), it's interesting that you are attempting to make that a reason not to play a RB against them. Hightower may lack the speed to take an opening the distance, but the Texans figure to give him his chances.Few defenses give up big days to running backs in 30-35 five yard chunks. It's usually a matter of a few big plays and/or several medium long rushes (8-15 yards).It will be interesting to see what happens when the movable object (Texans defense) meets the resistible force (Hightower, 3.4 ypc, 0 runs of 20+ yards). If anything, I could see an argument to start both Wells and Hightower for owners who have that possibility due to bye weeks and/or flex positions.
mulliganman
Footballguy
Whisenhunt says Beanie to get more work. This information is on another thread.
http://www.ktar.com/index.php?nid=229&sid=1218700
http://www.ktar.com/index.php?nid=229&sid=1218700
The Jerk
Footballguy
Without the ability to easily compare this to other teams near them in rushing yards allowed, these stats don't necessarily tell us anything. And of course I likely made an error or two, but I took a look at the first four games played by the Texans in play-by-play, and I tallied 120 rushes. Here is the breakdown by gain:negative yardage: 20
no gain: 14
gain of 1 to 4 yards: 52
gain of 5 to 9 yards: 16
gain of 10-14 yards: 8
gain of 15-19 yards: 2
gain of 20-29 yards: 2
gain of 30-39 yards: 3
gain of 40-49 yards: 0
gain of 50-59 yards: 1
gain of 60-69 yards: 1
gain of 70-79 yards: 0
gain of 80-89 yards: 0
gain of 90-99 yards: 1
No doubt the "home runs" have occurred, but it's also true that 1 out of every 5 runs went for 5-14 yards, and 30% of the runs that were not QB kneeldowns went for at least 5 yards.
(At least four of the negative plays were QB kneeldowns at the end of Texan losses.)
Breaking it down in yards per carry splits:
655 yards on 120 carries = 5.46 overall ypc
446 yards on 117 carries = 3.81 ypc when throwing out the three "home runs"
160 yards on 37 carries = 4.32 ypc combining negative runs, no gain runs, and runs over 40 yards
495 yards on 97 carries = 5.10 ypc on runs that were 0-39 yards long
495 yards on 83 carries = 5.96 ypc on runs that were 1-39 yards long
To me, the fact that even when omitting the three big plays the Texans are allowing 3.81 ypc shows it's not just the home runs. Discard the four QB kneeldowns, and the numbers become 454/113 = 4.02 ypc. Allowing 4 ypc even when discarding all 40+ yard runs indicates a pretty weak run defense.
Without being able to compare other NFL teams, these numbers cannot be used to state much more, but I find it hard to believe the Texans are not in the bottom 8 teams in any of these splits.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
*shrug* hopefull Leinhart owners maybe?
jaylasoul14
Footballguy
great beanie info, been waiting for this. Very good chance this guy's a stud, everyone should be buying. i have turned down every deal involving him; I can make the argument that he can be a top 5 rb week 15 and 16. You cant average 3.5 yards a carry in the nfl
jamil
Footballguy
what are you projecting for hightower? i think theres no way he goes over 100 on the ground, he might get close with receiving yardage. of course the only time i watched him was last year and he was terrible so i have no idea what he looks like this year. however if mario is out, all bets are off.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I would expect about 90 total yards and 75% chance of a TD. I would expect Hightower will get close to 4 ypc, but probably only get 12-13 carries. Let's go with 12 carries, 45 yards, plus 4 receptions for another 45 yards.I'm not in Tanner's category (120 rushing) but I think Hightower is a top 15 RB this weekend.By the way, my responses in this thread pertain more to Houston's defense against the run than any idea that Hightower is some sort of super-stud RB. I suppose it's fair to say I'm not high on Hightower (awful pun intended) but I'm even lower on the Texans run defense.
I think all you guys defending Warner have points - but you are missing the important one.
The NFL is about wins and losses. They aren;t going to keep playing a guy because he set a record in week 3 if they are loosing. If they don't start winning, AZ may make a change to Leinart even if Warner is not the problem (wouldn't be the first time that occured in the NFL).
Plus it's not like we haven't seem Warner go belly up previously and look washed up.
The NFL is about wins and losses. They aren;t going to keep playing a guy because he set a record in week 3 if they are loosing. If they don't start winning, AZ may make a change to Leinart even if Warner is not the problem (wouldn't be the first time that occured in the NFL).
Plus it's not like we haven't seem Warner go belly up previously and look washed up.
thatguythere
Footballguy
I read somewhere after week one that Warner had a stinger and couldn't feel anything in his right arm for the entire first half. Is it possible were some lingering effects from that injury in week 3 and 4? That could be the reason he isn't able to throw it downfield. Hopefully the bye week helped and he is over it if this is the case.
Another question is...if he didn't have any feeling in his throwing arm for an entire half why wasn't Leinart in the game? Either Warner didn't let on he was hurt, or they don't trust Leinart enough to put him in unless Warner is incapacitated.
Another question is...if he didn't have any feeling in his throwing arm for an entire half why wasn't Leinart in the game? Either Warner didn't let on he was hurt, or they don't trust Leinart enough to put him in unless Warner is incapacitated.
kutta
Footballguy
Yes, what you say is true. That is one reason why Warner got pulled in the 3rd quarter of the Jacksonville game.He is listed as "probable" with a shoulder on the injury report this week.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I don't see that scenario at all, unless you see SF running away with it. They are in a very win able division. The only divisional game they've played was a loss vs. SF and they are 1-2. They have STL and SEA 2x and another shot at SF week 14. Maybe if they go 0-4, 0-5 in the division, but so far STL is playing like a BYE and SEA hasn't set the world on fire. Also very winable games with DET, CAR and TEN. A long way to go.
He was drafted as a CB, and there were certain escalators in his contract... He as converted to FS but still had his CB contract. The Cardinals do not want to pay 12 Million Dollars for a Safety. Rolle has all the leverage.
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FFCardsFan
Footballguy
He has a roster bonus coming to him on March 1st, so they are saying that if they cannot come to a new agreement by then, then he will be released. Which sucks because they are going to lose Dansby and Okeafor to free agency already. Berry has retired. And now Rolle? Rolle's transition to safety started off pretty slow, but he has really come around at that position. He's a ball hawk and his open field tackling has greatly improved.
They have a young guy in Rashad Johnson from Alabama that will eventually take over a safety position to play next to Wilson, but he struggled this year and will need more experience. I have a feeling that this draft for the Cardinals will be extremely defense heavy, which it should be.
They have a young guy in Rashad Johnson from Alabama that will eventually take over a safety position to play next to Wilson, but he struggled this year and will need more experience. I have a feeling that this draft for the Cardinals will be extremely defense heavy, which it should be.
