Bloomberg's main thrust was that this is a racist law supported by people who don't think rationally - i.e. like him. If you are all for rhetorical puffery then yes, Bloomberg has a point - the ignorant and those who like to cry racism when the wind blows a black mans hat off, will still do so with this new law, and some sheep will follow (see, this thread). However, if you actually read the law, something I'm guessing Mike didn't do because if he did his first point makes no sense, and then connect it to current Arizona law as well current federal law, this does not become the harbinger of the new Facist American regime that some here are making it out to be.It's arguments like Bloomberg's, and frankly yours, that make people shy away from your stance and get more militant in opposition to you. IF you support this bill in any way, or even support the idea of it, you are labeled a hate mongering ignorant racist that wants all brown people arrested or even better, shot in the street and left there to rot. The reaction to such attacks is defensive, and the stronger the attack the more defensive the person gets. This thread has already gotten to the point that I am starting to wonder if the law isn't a net good simply because of the statements you have made here, with a liberal assist from the usual suspects. If all of you are this much against it, there is probably some good in it.And that is after I actually read the thing and dissected it and initiall came to the conclusion that it's a bad idea. Not for any useless politically rhetorical flash of useless language and empty personal attacks, but because of on the ground legal and executive power practice. But you guys have to fall right back into the racism game. It's repulsive. To add to it you actually have the audacity to post something along the lines that if Arizona wanted to do something about crime they should ignore illegals and focus on citizens. That kind of comment is so off the wall bat**** crazy that I'm a loss as to how to respond, whether it was entirely meant or sarcastic - because there are actually people in this thread that agree with the sentiment.The illegal immigration in this country is a mess. It has led to - with an able assist from a ton of other laws and policies - a de facto border war going on right now in the Southwest. Instead of the typical liberal talking points that treat every attempt at a rational conversation as child's rambling, the adults in this country need to quiet people like you down and actually deal with the issue. In other words, you hurt your own cause by being such an overbearing atack dog without any form of common sense or actual facts rooted in the law you are discussing to back you up. Is it possible this law leads to unintended results? Sure. That is why people like me scream every November that elections in every form matter. The people you put in charge that write the policy, train the cops, and so on matter. And even if you are active every way possible you can't stop every possible bad actor from doing something bad. This is why there are so many different levels of government in this nation - to temper those problems with other actors in an effort to ensure that liberty and freedom win out above all. That there is a pause. That there is cooperation among the governments. And in that is the true problem in all of this because our national government has failed to do its duty here. And so the states are picking up the slack. We shouldn't be mad at Arizona for doing this - we should be throwing every federal official under the bus they drove there to ignore this issue unless it buys them votes. There has been a lack of leadership from all wings of the political parties on this issue for far too long, and as you know from your Civil War thread, when the central government doesn't step in and do its job, the states will react. They don't do it that much anymore, but they still have the potential.It's also possible that this law is actually administered rationally, decently, and fairly, and that no mom is pulled away from her child on the street corner, thrown into a Crown Victoria trunk driven and then dumped over the border without so much as a warning. Or maybe, just maybe, the fedeeral government actually begins to do its constitutional duty (I know, I know, you don't need to laugh it is possible) and protect the borders of this nation and proscribe and execute sound and effective immigration policy.
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