What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Arizona trading Hightower to Redskins (1 Viewer)

identikit

identikit

Footballguy
per Adam:

Arizona is trading RB Tim Hightower to Washington for a conditional late-round pick based on play time, along with DE Vonnie Holliday.

 
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie.

That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.

 
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
So they wasted a 2nd round pick on Ryan Williams ? Because Wells has been so great ?
 
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Gian, what are you projecting for touches for Williams? Less than 10 a game? I think WIlliams will do more with less than Wells but I also think he can be an RB1 in th NFL.
 
'Dez said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
So they wasted a 2nd round pick on Ryan Williams ? Because Wells has been so great ?
Click to expand...
No, they used a second rounder on him because Wells has been unreliable. Can't blame them, but there's a big difference between can't and hasn't. Wells still has talent.
 
I don't get why Shanny would trade for a guy that dances behind the line and has fumbled 8 times in the last two seasons........Please help me understand

 
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
If they got rid of his competition as you saw it, how is it not a good thing?
 
'Ramblin Wreck said:
'CaGamblers said:
I don't get why Shanny would trade for a guy that dances behind the line and has fumbled 8 times in the last two seasons........Please help me understand
Click to expand...
Because he can protect the QB and catch the ball on third down and he plays special teams.
Click to expand...
Yep. And for a 35 year old defensive lineman who probably wasn't in line for much playing time in 2011. As long as the conditional pick is 6th or 7th, I think this makes sense for Washington.
 
I like Higtower for his skills in the passing game and also he has had some very big plays in AZ including some major long runs even in the playoffs. He fumbles and is not a feature back but you could do a lot worse than having Higtower as yur RB2 in a 2 back system. Wash is not a defensive juggernaut and they don't have a geat running game, not a lot at QB, this is a decent place for Hightower to land. I could see him rack up 750+ total yds and maybe 4-6 TDs with 40-50 receptions to boot.

 
You can't sleep on a guy that's basically Ryan Torain away from being a starter. Who gets the nod in short yardage/goal line situations between Torain and Hightower?

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Gian, what are you projecting for touches for Williams? Less than 10 a game? I think WIlliams will do more with less than Wells but I also think he can be an RB1 in th NFL.
Click to expand...
Hightower averaged 11+ a game last season and 11.6 for his career in Ari.
 
I don't believe Hightower is your full time guy. He is a good compliment to torain. Torain was a beast when healthy but needs to stay healthy

However I think Helu is the most talented on the roster. Royster is cut or a ps guy and keiland Williams and James Davis are goners

 
Hightower over three seasons with Arizona

2008 ARI 16 143 399 2.8 10 49 34 237 7.0 0

2009 ARI 16 143 598 4.2 8 80 63 428 6.8 0

2010 ARI 16 153 736 4.8 5 42 21 136 6.5 0

He's increased his yards per carry in each season, and has handled as many as 63 passes in a year. The guy saw almost 10 carries a game last year on average. These do not look like "third-down" back numbers to me, they look like a guy who could do well as the lead back in a committee. I'm not anointing him the next Clinton-Portis-in-his-prime, but I think that in excess of 1,000 yards combined and high single-digit TDs is well within Hightower's reach in Washington.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out - how quickly he can pick up the Washington scheme...I see potential value here.

 
'Mark Wimer said:
Hightower over three seasons with Arizona2008 ARI 16 143 399 2.8 10 49 34 237 7.0 0 2009 ARI 16 143 598 4.2 8 80 63 428 6.8 0 2010 ARI 16 153 736 4.8 5 42 21 136 6.5 0He's increased his yards per carry in each season, and has handled as many as 63 passes in a year. The guy saw almost 10 carries a game last year on average. These do not look like "third-down" back numbers to me, they look like a guy who could do well as the lead back in a committee. I'm not anointing him the next Clinton-Portis-in-his-prime, but I think that in excess of 1,000 yards combined and high single-digit TDs is well within Hightower's reach in Washington. I'll be interested to see how this plays out - how quickly he can pick up the Washington scheme...I see potential value here.
Click to expand...
Excellent points Mark and let's go ahead and take this out of the classroom and into the real world or actual stats. Every player to me fits different roles on different FF teams. A guy like Hightower for an owner in redrafts who dosn't grab a RB early in the draft and then loads up in rounds 5-10...a guy like Hightwer as your RB3/4 on that type of team that waited and loaded up at other positions could be fantastic...I think owners are going to like having him tucked away on their rosters. He likely will be under the radar and can be had in the double digit rounds of many drafts and that screams value for a guy that typically avg 750+ total yds and 8-10 TDs a year.
 
It is funny how everyone wrote off Beanie already. This is only his 3rd year (he turns 23 in a week) and he even had a pretty good rookie season in limited action(176 carries, 793 yards, 7 tds (4.5 ypc)12 catches, 143 yards). Yes he was a let down last year but he was definitely banged up. I think a healthy Beanie has a great bounce back year and surprises a lot of people. Kolb is now in Arizona and Hightower has been traded. Ryan Williams has had durability issues of his own.

 
'SammyJankis said:
FYI, this trade is being held up right now because Holiday is refusing to report to Arizona.
Click to expand...
It's still unclear how Holliday refusing to report/retiring could affect trade. A John Keim (Redskins beat writer) tweet says:
More from NFL: If Vonnie does not report & retires, then it depends on language of the terms of the trade. Otherwise, teams trade @ own risk
Click to expand...
 
Great move for the Cardinals. Hightower is a good guy, but nothing special as a RB. The backfield was getting crowded, and Hightower was the odd man out.

Temper expectations for him in Washington. He's decent, but he's not going to win any MVP awards any time soon.

 
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Since both Beanie and Williams have injuries in their pasts I can see them being utilized in much the same way they did with Hightower to keep them fresh. Beanie has shown promise but has not lived up to his potential to date. He is young and hardly someone I would be placing on the scrap heap just yet. If Williams can hold up this year I see a pretty even split in carries between the two. Those 150+ carries should be pretty nice for a rookie.
 
'Holland Freeze said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Since both Beanie and Williams have injuries in their pasts I can see them being utilized in much the same way they did with Hightower to keep them fresh. Beanie has shown promise but has not lived up to his potential to date. He is young and hardly someone I would be placing on the scrap heap just yet. If Williams can hold up this year I see a pretty even split in carries between the two. Those 150+ carries should be pretty nice for a rookie.
Click to expand...
Wiz does not like to use rookies. He makes the prove themselves first. I think Beanie will be given every chance at the beginning of the year to win and hold the starting job and get the majority of carries. If he falters at all, including fumbling, Williams could see his PT go up in a hurry.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
I like Higtower for his skills in the passing game and also he has had some very big plays in AZ including some major long runs even in the playoffs. He fumbles and is not a feature back but you could do a lot worse than having Higtower as yur RB2 in a 2 back system. Wash is not a defensive juggernaut and they don't have a geat running game, not a lot at QB, this is a decent place for Hightower to land. I could see him rack up 750+ total yds and maybe 4-6 TDs with 40-50 receptions to boot.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: He makes a nice sleeper pick at RB3 or 4. Worst case he puts up 800 total yards with 35 or 40 receptions and 3 or 4 TDs mixed in. Best case, he snags the starting job outright from a weak crew and puts up solid RB2 numbers. He's no stud, but he's a solid pro.
 
I will stake Shanny reputatuion on the fact that he will add a couple of more running backs before the start of the season.

 
'kutta said:
Great move for the Cardinals. Hightower is a good guy, but nothing special as a RB. The backfield was getting crowded, and Hightower was the odd man out.Temper expectations for him in Washington. He's decent, but he's not going to win any MVP awards any time soon.
Click to expand...
:goodposting:
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'Mark Wimer said:
Hightower over three seasons with Arizona2008 ARI 16 143 399 2.8 10 49 34 237 7.0 0 2009 ARI 16 143 598 4.2 8 80 63 428 6.8 0 2010 ARI 16 153 736 4.8 5 42 21 136 6.5 0He's increased his yards per carry in each season, and has handled as many as 63 passes in a year. The guy saw almost 10 carries a game last year on average. These do not look like "third-down" back numbers to me, they look like a guy who could do well as the lead back in a committee. I'm not anointing him the next Clinton-Portis-in-his-prime, but I think that in excess of 1,000 yards combined and high single-digit TDs is well within Hightower's reach in Washington. I'll be interested to see how this plays out - how quickly he can pick up the Washington scheme...I see potential value here.
Click to expand...
Excellent points Mark and let's go ahead and take this out of the classroom and into the real world or actual stats. Every player to me fits different roles on different FF teams. A guy like Hightower for an owner in redrafts who dosn't grab a RB early in the draft and then loads up in rounds 5-10...a guy like Hightwer as your RB3/4 on that type of team that waited and loaded up at other positions could be fantastic...I think owners are going to like having him tucked away on their rosters. He likely will be under the radar and can be had in the double digit rounds of many drafts and that screams value for a guy that typically avg 750+ total yds and 8-10 TDs a year.
Click to expand...
I think you are right on there MP - if he's drafted at 750-800 yards and mid-single-digit TDs, then he easily surpasses that if he picks up the Redskins' system quickly. In this compressed-free-agency/only-training-camp- practices year, all bets are more risky than in a usual free agency period - granted, Hightower could flop in Wash. if Torain is really a Shanny favorite - but I think there is upside potential here to grab, at a relatively low cost in draft pick. Definitely a guy to stash as RB3/RB4 if your strategy is to wait on backs...
 
'by_the_sea_wannabe said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
If they got rid of his competition as you saw it, how is it not a good thing?
Click to expand...
Because it makes me think he's going to fill Hightower's role. If they keep Hightower, then Hightower is that complementary back and Williams is more of a threat to Beanie.
 
'Dez said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie.

That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
So they wasted a 2nd round pick on Ryan Williams ? Because Wells has been so great ?
Click to expand...
Read this

2nd round picks aren't guaranteed anything. In fact, they often aren't used much at all.

You can read the link, but some 2nd round picks lately that teams made:

Kenny Irons

Brian Leonard

Brandon Jackson

Toby Gerhart

The fact is that most 2nd and 3rd round picks don't get many carries at all in their 1st year. The fact that they moved Hightower and now don't have the complementary role at RB makes it seem that THAT is the role Williams will be filling and not Beanie's. Now, that may change, but it won't be in 2011.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Gian, what are you projecting for touches for Williams? Less than 10 a game? I think WIlliams will do more with less than Wells but I also think he can be an RB1 in th NFL.
Click to expand...
Based on history, it's highly unlikely Williams breaks 100 carries in 2011 barring injury to Beanie. Now, given his history, I wouldn't say that's not a distinct possibility, but if healthy, Beanie will be carrying the load in 2011 and will be given every opportunity to succeed (or fail).
 
'Donnybrook said:
I will stake Shanny reputatuion on the fact that he will add a couple of more running backs before the start of the season.
Click to expand...
Would not be a bit surprised.Sadly as a bit of a Skins fan, I think there was a typo in the memo they received. Their copy says "need quantity" instead of "need quality" to build a winning team. That might explain their moves at wr and rb.
 
'Phantom Knight said:
'Donnybrook said:
I will stake Shanny reputatuion on the fact that he will add a couple of more running backs before the start of the season.
Click to expand...
Would not be a bit surprised.Sadly as a bit of a Skins fan, I think there was a typo in the memo they received. Their copy says "need quantity" instead of "need quality" to build a winning team. That might explain their moves at wr and rb.
Click to expand...
Someone ought to remind Shanny that 11 of the guys on the field are meant to come from the other team.
 
'Ramblin Wreck said:
'CaGamblers said:
I don't get why Shanny would trade for a guy that dances behind the line and has fumbled 8 times in the last two seasons........Please help me understand
Click to expand...
Because he can protect the QB and catch the ball on third down and he plays special teams.
Click to expand...
I think this is the key. Remember, Portis was the guy they relied on for QB protection out of the backfield last year. I think Torrain is definitely Shanny's type of downfield runner, but he's not as good in protection. If Hightower can play that 3rd down back role, it was definitely worth giving up Holliday, who in his mid 30s was on his way out anyways.
 
'gianmarco said:
'by_the_sea_wannabe said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
If they got rid of his competition as you saw it, how is it not a good thing?
Click to expand...
Because it makes me think he's going to fill Hightower's role. If they keep Hightower, then Hightower is that complementary back and Williams is more of a threat to Beanie.
Click to expand...
Hightower's role was the starting RB. I don't own Williams in any leagues and traded for Beanie in one this offseason, but I'm not sure how this can be spinned as a negative for Williams.I think it's a good thing for both Beanie and Williams for the team to get rid of a solid RB that the coaching staff has used extentisively the last couple of years.
 
'renesauz said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
I like Higtower for his skills in the passing game and also he has had some very big plays in AZ including some major long runs even in the playoffs. He fumbles and is not a feature back but you could do a lot worse than having Higtower as yur RB2 in a 2 back system. Wash is not a defensive juggernaut and they don't have a geat running game, not a lot at QB, this is a decent place for Hightower to land. I could see him rack up 750+ total yds and maybe 4-6 TDs with 40-50 receptions to boot.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: He makes a nice sleeper pick at RB3 or 4. Worst case he puts up 800 total yards with 35 or 40 receptions and 3 or 4 TDs mixed in. Best case, he snags the starting job outright from a weak crew and puts up solid RB2 numbers. He's no stud, but he's a solid pro.
Click to expand...
There is absolutely no chance 800 yards and 35-40 receptions is the worst case in that mess of a backfield! I think it would be a minor miracle in fact.
 
'The Real Yoda said:
'renesauz said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
I like Higtower for his skills in the passing game and also he has had some very big plays in AZ including some major long runs even in the playoffs. He fumbles and is not a feature back but you could do a lot worse than having Higtower as yur RB2 in a 2 back system. Wash is not a defensive juggernaut and they don't have a geat running game, not a lot at QB, this is a decent place for Hightower to land. I could see him rack up 750+ total yds and maybe 4-6 TDs with 40-50 receptions to boot.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: He makes a nice sleeper pick at RB3 or 4. Worst case he puts up 800 total yards with 35 or 40 receptions and 3 or 4 TDs mixed in. Best case, he snags the starting job outright from a weak crew and puts up solid RB2 numbers. He's no stud, but he's a solid pro.
Click to expand...
There is absolutely no chance 800 yards and 35-40 receptions is the worst case in that mess of a backfield! I think it would be a minor miracle in fact.
Click to expand...
I agree that's not the worst case, but to call that production a minor miracle is also pretty ridiculous considering his competition. He's competing with someone with 811 career rushing yards and a couple rookies drafted in the 4th and 6th rounds.
 
'gianmarco said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
'gianmarco said:
I actually don't think this is good for Williams at all. Most think that Ryan was drafted as competition for Beanie while a few people (including myself) thought he was more likely to be in competition for Hightower's carries. Now that they moved Hightower, I think it more fully supports the latter. Especially for 2011, it's incredibly unlikely that Williams will be the main ball carrier over Beanie. That said, this is Beanie's year to crap or get off the pot. But this move makes me think he will be given the full chance to do so.
Click to expand...
Gian, what are you projecting for touches for Williams? Less than 10 a game? I think WIlliams will do more with less than Wells but I also think he can be an RB1 in th NFL.
Click to expand...
Based on history, it's highly unlikely Williams breaks 100 carries in 2011 barring injury to Beanie. Now, given his history, I wouldn't say that's not a distinct possibility, but if healthy, Beanie will be carrying the load in 2011 and will be given every opportunity to succeed (or fail).
Click to expand...
For the sake of perspective, Wells was drafted # 31 overall and Williams was # 38 overall. We are not talking about a RB drafted in the top 15 versus another drafted around #55. Your research on Round 2 RB has merit but this is a situation where the difference in draft spots is minimal. On topic, this was a good trade for Washington. Hightower fills the need of a third down back and has potential to shine. He started 13 games last season on the train wreck that was Arizona and put up a 4.8 ypc. He has value.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

M
Top 10 percentage? (WARNING: Lots of math talk and poor assumptions)
Replies
9
Views
314
Keith R
Keith R
T
Travdogg's post FA 2 round mock draft
Replies
39
Views
1K
rockaction
rockaction
JohnnyU
2025 Rookie Mock Draft (3 rounds) (The Devy Royale) / Hit Rates (Dynasty Nerds)
Replies
32
Views
20K
JohnnyU
JohnnyU

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top