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PhillyStars

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The talk on ESPN/NFL Net regarding Washington's plans for Arrington seems to lean toward him being cut rather than paid. I think it was something like a $10-12MM price tag in 2006. If they cut him I don't think anyone will pick him up and pay the money so he clears and becomes a FA?If he does, he would be the premier WLB on the market IMO. With Philly owner Lurie saying he will be agressive in the offseason does he take a run at the agressive Arrington? Where else might he land?

 
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inbreeder

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The talk on ESPN/NFL Net regarding Washington's plans for Arrington seems to lean toward him being cut rather than paid.  I think it was something like a $10-12MM price tag in 2006.  If they cut him I don't think anyone will pick him up and pay the money so he clears and becomes a FA?

If he does, he would be the premier WLB on the market IMO. 

With Philly owner Lurie saying he will be agressive in the offseason does he take a run at the agressive Arrington?  Where else might he land?
Dream of a Bengals fan.Marvin Lewis was Arrington's DC during his rookie (and most productive) season in 2002. The Bengals have plenty of LB depth and have other needs (SS, DT). And Pollack is still expected to provide some rush from the SLB slot.

But I'd love a weapon like Arrington to take over for an aging and slowing Brian Simmons at WLB. There's been little pass rush from the front four and even two solid corners like O'Neal and James can't hold em forever.

The cap situation is murky (all Bengal OL are FA after 2006 and CJ will be pushing for an extension) but it might work. It's time for the Bengals to get the free agent ball rolling with a big time signing like the Packers did with Reggie White years ago.

Marvin won't overpay though, so if it gets really competitive and Arrington doesn't want to come to Cincinnati badly enough, he'll go elsewhere.

 
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dgreen

Footballguy
Arrington has said he'd rather just retire than play somewhere else. Then again, Arrington says a lot of things. I'm not sure if I believe him.

 

dgreen

Footballguy
Dream of a Bengals fan.

Marvin Lewis was Arrington's DC during his rookie (and most productive) season in 2002.
Lavar's rookie season was 2000. And, I'd say his best season was 2001, under Schottenheimer.Also, Lewis has not had many nice things to say about Lavar. Publicly, he hasn't bashed him, but everything I hear from insiders is not good from Lewis. Lewis pretty much admitted to just giving up on Lavar in 2002 because simply wouldn't listen. He'd have a good week of practice, keeping his assignments, then he'd be totally out of position come game time.

Also, when Lewis was in DC, he said the Redskins were a horrible tackling team. In my opinion, that included Lavar.

There's been little pass rush from the front four and even two solid corners like O'Neal and James can't hold em forever.
I can understand why people who don't watch many Redskins think Lavar is a good pass rusher. The media sure does speak of him that way. And, heck, most Redskins fans still think he is. Fans keep wondering, "Why don't the Redskins use Lavar as a pass rusher on 3rd down?" Um, maybe because he's not very good at it.I'm assuming you said 2002 was Lavar's best season because of his 11 sacks. I remember that year and that many of his sacks were not typical sacks where he beats the OL and gets to the QB quickly. I remember several being that the QB was flushed out of the pocket by other defenders and Lavar just happened to be the guy that ran the QB out of bounds for a short loss. Of course, that's just going from memory and I could be wrong.

Regardless, I've never been all that impressed with his pass rushing abilities. Every training camp we hear how Lavar is destroying the OL in practice and getting to the QB. But, I'm not sure I have ever seen Lavar cleanly beat an offensive tackle one-on-one in a game. You know what he's great at? Getting to the QB, on a blitz up the middle, when he's not blocked. Then again, who isnt' good at that? When you aren't blocked, it's not that difficult. And, once he gets to the QB, he misses more often than he brings him down or delivers a hit.

It's time for the Bengals to get the free agent ball rolling with a big time signing like the Packers did with Reggie White years ago.
I know you're not trying to compare Lavar to Reggie White, but I just have to say that Lavar at his best is worse than Reggie at his worst.I know this post has sound harsh. That mainly comes from Lavar's unfilled expectations. He's had some really nice games over his career. He's made some plays. But, what average LB hasn't?

Lavar may still have great skills. (Injuries will be a concern for any team looking sign him.) And, there might be someone on this planet that can get it out of him. But, time is running out. If somebody can't do it, he'll just be a nice player that makes the occassional highlight play, but very little else.

 

inbreeder

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Dream of a Bengals fan.

Marvin Lewis was Arrington's DC during his rookie (and most productive) season in 2002.
Lavar's rookie season was 2000. And, I'd say his best season was 2001, under Schottenheimer.Also, Lewis has not had many nice things to say about Lavar. Publicly, he hasn't bashed him, but everything I hear from insiders is not good from Lewis. Lewis pretty much admitted to just giving up on Lavar in 2002 because simply wouldn't listen. He'd have a good week of practice, keeping his assignments, then he'd be totally out of position come game time.

Also, when Lewis was in DC, he said the Redskins were a horrible tackling team. In my opinion, that included Lavar.

There's been little pass rush from the front four and even two solid corners like O'Neal and James can't hold em forever.
I can understand why people who don't watch many Redskins think Lavar is a good pass rusher. The media sure does speak of him that way. And, heck, most Redskins fans still think he is. Fans keep wondering, "Why don't the Redskins use Lavar as a pass rusher on 3rd down?" Um, maybe because he's not very good at it.I'm assuming you said 2002 was Lavar's best season because of his 11 sacks. I remember that year and that many of his sacks were not typical sacks where he beats the OL and gets to the QB quickly. I remember several being that the QB was flushed out of the pocket by other defenders and Lavar just happened to be the guy that ran the QB out of bounds for a short loss. Of course, that's just going from memory and I could be wrong.

Regardless, I've never been all that impressed with his pass rushing abilities. Every training camp we hear how Lavar is destroying the OL in practice and getting to the QB. But, I'm not sure I have ever seen Lavar cleanly beat an offensive tackle one-on-one in a game. You know what he's great at? Getting to the QB, on a blitz up the middle, when he's not blocked. Then again, who isnt' good at that? When you aren't blocked, it's not that difficult. And, once he gets to the QB, he misses more often than he brings him down or delivers a hit.

It's time for the Bengals to get the free agent ball rolling with a big time signing like the Packers did with Reggie White years ago.
I know you're not trying to compare Lavar to Reggie White, but I just have to say that Lavar at his best is worse than Reggie at his worst.I know this post has sound harsh. That mainly comes from Lavar's unfilled expectations. He's had some really nice games over his career. He's made some plays. But, what average LB hasn't?

Lavar may still have great skills. (Injuries will be a concern for any team looking sign him.) And, there might be someone on this planet that can get it out of him. But, time is running out. If somebody can't do it, he'll just be a nice player that makes the occassional highlight play, but very little else.
Great post, thanks. My mistake on the rookie part, I misread the stat page I was looking at when I was considering my post. It wasn't just the sacks, I liked the 70 plus solos from a LB with 11 sacks (however he got them).And I agree, I wouldn't compare Arrington to White as a signing from a talent basis, but as a "name" signing. Say what you will, Arrington will be hyped as a name signing in all likelihood. As a Bengal fan, we've been looking for anything resembling a pass rush for so long, it's easy to go a little overboard. And if Lavar can still post double digit sacks without beating an OL, bring him on.

I hadn't realized how little Marvin thought of Arrington, though. And I haven't seen the poor tackling from Arrington in the few games I've seen, so that's an appreciated insight. I seem to remember that defense being pretty darn solid. In any case, it's just more ammo to suggest that Marvin and the Bengals won't come close to overpaying for him.

All speculation anyway. I actually think Landon Johnson is probably the best answer to replace Brian Simmons. He is seriously underrated. If it were me, I'd spend the big money on the pass rusher and/or DT and look to address SS in the draft. Maybe "dream of a Bengals fan" was too strong a word. But I'm sick of watching opposing teams have 5-6 seconds to complete third and long passes.

 

MrNiceGuy

Footballguy
I see him going out to San Diego, lining up along side his protege Shawne Merriman and moving Donnie Edwards to the middle.

 
I see him going out to San Diego, lining up along side his protege Shawne Merriman and moving Donnie Edwards to the middle.
San Diego plays a 3-4 defense and Edwards plays inside. Foley plays the other outside spot and was hurt most of the year. Wonder if the Browns would consider him as a 3-4 outside backer. They need someone, anyone that can get to the qb.

 

Nihilist Pig

Footballguy
I see him going out to San Diego, lining up along side his protege Shawne Merriman and moving Donnie Edwards to the middle.
Speaking of the Bolts, who was DC in SD when Seau was in his prime out there? Not a week went by that I didn't read something from the SD sports section about how the Bolts were frustrated that Seau wouldn't listen to the coaches, wouldn't fill his assignments, had to be covered for, and generally just rebelled against every little thing on the field. But not a week went by that he didn't add to his HOF resume, either. The DC was able to put together a pretty decent scheme where ten guys played a structured defense and Seau worked as a freelancer a lot of the time, since that was all he was willing to do...and the miracle was it more or less worked, since the rest of the team had discipline, and Seau had the athleticism to get in on lots of tackles and make occasional big plays without screwing the rest of them up.Is whoever that DC was still in the NFL someplace? That might be LaVar's last best chance to become an impact player in this league -- if he can find somebody willing to take the risk to let him just roam around and be an uber-athletic pain in the ### for offenses.

 
I see him going out to San Diego, lining up along side his protege Shawne Merriman and moving Donnie Edwards to the middle.
Speaking of the Bolts, who was DC in SD when Seau was in his prime out there? Not a week went by that I didn't read something from the SD sports section about how the Bolts were frustrated that Seau wouldn't listen to the coaches, wouldn't fill his assignments, had to be covered for, and generally just rebelled against every little thing on the field. But not a week went by that he didn't add to his HOF resume, either. The DC was able to put together a pretty decent scheme where ten guys played a structured defense and Seau worked as a freelancer a lot of the time, since that was all he was willing to do...and the miracle was it more or less worked, since the rest of the team had discipline, and Seau had the athleticism to get in on lots of tackles and make occasional big plays without screwing the rest of them up.Is whoever that DC was still in the NFL someplace? That might be LaVar's last best chance to become an impact player in this league -- if he can find somebody willing to take the risk to let him just roam around and be an uber-athletic pain in the ### for offenses.
May have been Joe Pascale.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
LaVar is fighting for next year's paycheck...

8 solos

2 assists

1 int

1 pd

1 ff

Keep in mind...this guy is only 27 years-old. He has a lot of football left in him.

 
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trader jake

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considering the deep pockets jerry jones has and the ability of a parcells staff to get the best out of players i think dallas makes a lot of sense

 

mario8723

Footballguy
considering the deep pockets jerry jones has and the ability of a parcells staff to get the best out of players i think dallas makes a lot of sense
And the Cowboys love nothing more than screwing the Redskins...
 

adog99

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Born: Jun 20, 1978 - Pittsburgh, PAhe could go home and play for the Steelers

 
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RAPTURE

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LaVar is fighting for next year's paycheck...8 solos2 assists1 int1 pd1 ffKeep in mind...this guy is only 27 years-old. He has a lot of football left in him.
-- LaVar Arrington has Mixed Game --Sun Jan 8, 2006 --from FFMastermind.comThe Washington Post reports Redskins OLB LaVar Arrington had some great plays and some not-so-great plays during Saturday's 17-10 playoff win over the Buccaneers. On first and 10 from the Tampa Bay 20-yard line, Buccaneers QB Chris Simms looked to his left and threw to the flat. The pass was tipped at the line of scrimmage by DT Joe Salave'a and landed in the arms of Arrington, who returned it 21 yards to the Tampa Bay 6. Arrington appeared to fumble the ball as he went down, but the whistle had blown. One play later, RB Clinton Portis plowed over left tackle for the first touchdown of the game. But, later, Arrington cost his team. On third and five from the Tampa Bay 42, Arrington attempted to anticipate the snap count and was offside by five yards. It was a difficult play for Arrington because virtually all season Redskins defensive coaches have not used him on third down. The play gave the Buccaneers a first down, and they ran nine more plays, the last a 43-yard field goal by PK Matt Bryant for their only points of the half. He's worth about a 3rd rounder in a IDP Dynasty League.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
I'm rather surprised mention of Arrington's injuries over the past year have not been discussed more...

9/04 ~ surgery for lateral meniscus tear

11/04 ~ diagnosed bone bruise

4/05 ~ second surgery on original lateral meniscus tear from prior Sept

A meniscus tear is not exactly the second-coming of a blown ACL, but Arrington was not able to prepare for the '05 season properly. I was content (...not to confused with "pleased") to see Arrington total 45 stops in the final nine games he played this season. These 45 stops nearly put him on pace for his average 90 tackle season. I do think Arrington's trademark big plays will become evident again in '06...when he has enough time to properly heal from his injuries.

Buy him on the low, folks. :thumbup:

 
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dgreen

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-- LaVar Arrington has Mixed Game --

Sun Jan 8, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Washington Post reports Redskins OLB LaVar Arrington had some great plays and some not-so-great plays during Saturday's 17-10 playoff win over the Buccaneers. On first and 10 from the Tampa Bay 20-yard line, Buccaneers QB Chris Simms looked to his left and threw to the flat. The pass was tipped at the line of scrimmage by DT Joe Salave'a and landed in the arms of Arrington, who returned it 21 yards to the Tampa Bay 6. Arrington appeared to fumble the ball as he went down, but the whistle had blown. One play later, RB Clinton Portis plowed over left tackle for the first touchdown of the game. But, later, Arrington cost his team. On third and five from the Tampa Bay 42, Arrington attempted to anticipate the snap count and was offside by five yards. It was a difficult play for Arrington because virtually all season Redskins defensive coaches have not used him on third down. The play gave the Buccaneers a first down, and they ran nine more plays, the last a 43-yard field goal by PK Matt Bryant for their only points of the half.

He's worth about a 3rd rounder in a IDP Dynasty League.
Seems a little much to be bashing him for much in that game. He played one of the best games of his career in my opinion. Of course, I have no idea what the play calls were and what his assignment was on each play, so he could have messed a ton. Did that offsides hurt them? Yes. But, every game, every player makes mistakes.Interestingly enough, I heard an interview over the weekend with HOF safety Ken Houston. He said he made seven mistakes in his last game in the NFL. He said he averaged eight mistakes a game over his career. Players, even HOF ones, make mistakes every game. Some we see because the opposing team capitalized on the mistake. Some we don't see.

In my opinion, Lavar will play for the Redskins next year or won't play at all.

 

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