Art Shell (1 Viewer)

[AnonymousBob]

Yes, jokes will be made about his consistent facial expressions but no coach can truly be this horrible, can they? It's not like Art has never coached in the NFL before. Heck, he even did well for a few seasons!

Someone tell me (Moss owner) that Art will start having his qb throwing screens and short dump offs.

Anyone have any faith Art will be able to turn things around or is he too far behind the times?

 

[nwgman]

My opinion on this issue is as a lifelong Raider fan and a fellow Moss owner.

I think Art Shell is stubborn and out of touch with today's game. The offensive line - the position he played at a Hall of Fame level - is the worst I have ever seen and seems to be lacking in technique. To my knowledge, Shell has never called offensive plays as an NFL coach ands surely is not noted for being a creative offensive mind. In his first stint as Raiders coach he had Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, and Tim Brown as offensive weapons and while Tim Brown may not be as talented as Randy Moss he was always a hard worker and team leader.

The net of it is I think that Randy Moss will end up having a few big games and quite a few like the first two weeks and put together at the end of the year will end up being about the 12-16th rated WR. If you keep him I think you have to accept that by playing him every week he may cost you a victory by having another Week 2 line, and a few weeks he will likely go crazy and vault you to victory with 7-8 catches for 130 yards and 2 TD's. The challenge is that it will be tough to predict when the good games will come because he is talented enough to get open against any defense, so it will come down to whether Walter or Brooks (and he has a history of being really bad or pretty good from week-to-week) is on his game for that week and whether the line blocks long enough.

 

[The Jacket]

His offensive coordinator is just a straight-up idiot. It's a wonder the Raiders signed him; all I wonder now, as a rival fan, is when they'll fire him.

 

[packersfan]

That it's Week 3 and Shell is just now realizing that involving LaMont Jordan in the passing game might be a good idea tells me all I need to know about Shell's qualifications for the head coaching position in Oakland. He's in over his head (and no, I'm not a Jordan owner).

 

[Portis 26]

The Sports Guy is very amusing on the subject of Art Shell.

 

[AnonymousBob]

My opinion on this issue is as a lifelong Raider fan and a fellow Moss owner. I think Art Shell is stubborn and out of touch with today's game. The offensive line - the position he played at a Hall of Fame level - is the worst I have ever seen and seems to be lacking in technique. To my knowledge, Shell has never called offensive plays as an NFL coach ands surely is not noted for being a creative offensive mind. In his first stint as Raiders coach he had Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, and Tim Brown as offensive weapons and while Tim Brown may not be as talented as Randy Moss he was always a hard worker and team leader. The net of it is I think that Randy Moss will end up having a few big games and quite a few like the first two weeks and put together at the end of the year will end up being about the 12-16th rated WR. If you keep him I think you have to accept that by playing him every week he may cost you a victory by having another Week 2 line, and a few weeks he will likely go crazy and vault you to victory with 7-8 catches for 130 yards and 2 TD's. The challenge is that it will be tough to predict when the good games will come because he is talented enough to get open against any defense, so it will come down to whether Walter or Brooks (and he has a history of being really bad or pretty good from week-to-week) is on his game for that week and whether the line blocks long enough.

I realize Shell is out of touch with the modern league but the question is when and will he catch up this season? Surely he can't be so moronic as to stick with what hasn't worked so far.

 

[gman8343]

That it's Week 3 and Shell is just now realizing that involving LaMont Jordan in the passing game might be a good idea tells me all I need to know about Shell's qualifications for the head coaching position in Oakland. He's in over his head (and no, I'm not a Jordan owner).

Yeah, per Shell himself: "That's one of the things I wrote down." Genius.

 

[LHUCKS]

I actually think Shell is a good coach in many respects.

I think he's lacking in the Offensive department, but if he had a good OC under him I think he could be successful.

 

[wraith5]

That it's Week 3 and Shell is just now realizing that involving LaMont Jordan in the passing game might be a good idea tells me all I need to know about Shell's qualifications for the head coaching position in Oakland. He's in over his head (and no, I'm not a Jordan owner).

Yeah, per Shell himself: "That's one of the things I wrote down." Genius.

That was one of the most astounding quotes I've seen - "One of the things I wrote down"?!?!??? I don't even know what that means!(frustrated LaMont owner)

 

[jdoggydogg]

That it's Week 3 and Shell is just now realizing that involving LaMont Jordan in the passing game might be a good idea tells me all I need to know about Shell's qualifications for the head coaching position in Oakland. He's in over his head (and no, I'm not a Jordan owner).

This just shocked me. Unbelieveable! It's only now obvious that Jordan needs touches in the passing game? This offense is antiquated. What a joke. There's no doubt that Shell knows how to be a great lineman. But this offense has cobwebs on it.

 

[Gr00vus]

But this offense has cobwebs on it.

It's been sacked and beaten up way too many times these last two weeks to have any cobwebs left on it.

 

[nwgman]

My opinion on this issue is as a lifelong Raider fan and a fellow Moss owner. I think Art Shell is stubborn and out of touch with today's game. The offensive line - the position he played at a Hall of Fame level - is the worst I have ever seen and seems to be lacking in technique. To my knowledge, Shell has never called offensive plays as an NFL coach ands surely is not noted for being a creative offensive mind. In his first stint as Raiders coach he had Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, and Tim Brown as offensive weapons and while Tim Brown may not be as talented as Randy Moss he was always a hard worker and team leader. The net of it is I think that Randy Moss will end up having a few big games and quite a few like the first two weeks and put together at the end of the year will end up being about the 12-16th rated WR. If you keep him I think you have to accept that by playing him every week he may cost you a victory by having another Week 2 line, and a few weeks he will likely go crazy and vault you to victory with 7-8 catches for 130 yards and 2 TD's. The challenge is that it will be tough to predict when the good games will come because he is talented enough to get open against any defense, so it will come down to whether Walter or Brooks (and he has a history of being really bad or pretty good from week-to-week) is on his game for that week and whether the line blocks long enough.

I realize Shell is out of touch with the modern league but the question is when and will he catch up this season? Surely he can't be so moronic as to stick with what hasn't worked so far.

I hear you, but if you realize you need to make changes but don't know enough about modern offensive strategies, it is being overly optimistic to expect that the changes will be any more effective. After all, Aaron Brooks and the playcalling looked AWFUL in the pre-season and the coaching staff still opened the season against a hated division rival with nothing new in the playbook. Most teams run a scaled down offense in the pre-season games and then show a lot more their first two games. The Raiders appeared to take the opposite approach.

 

[phillzphan]

I guess they're very lucky to have a bye this early. You can't change things dramatically in just 1 week, so if they're going to change things right now is when they need to do it.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

There is a possibility that this situation can turn out very good for the Raiders.

Oakland's early 90's offense could actually work really well against current defenses, but it'd need tweaking.

Defenses are too fast now almost every take a 7 step drop and a 5 step drop is risky as well. However, the price defenses pay for becoming so good at rushing the passer is that they are very small.

Defensive ends now are big linebackers. Look how wide defensive ends line up now. And linebackers now are also very undersized compared to previous eras. They need to be smaller and quicker because NFL offenses have gotten faster and LBs need to cover a lot of ground in zone in modern schemes.

The solution to the problem of modern defenses, in Shell's era, was to just line up in a 2 tight, 2 back, 1 WR set, shrink the OL's splits down to about 6" and pound these smaller defenses into the ground.

This would make the defenses either get out of their base personell or force them to change their defenses drastically. Suddenly Dwight Freeneys and Merriman's of the world aren't on your QB in 2 seconds when they are lined up directly over the OL, becauase if they are lined up in space, where defenses put them now, the TE will just throw a kick out block on a run and the tackle is free to go at the LB.

Personally, I really do not see the Raiders doing this, but it has been something I've been screaming for NFL teams to do for years. But I would expect the Raiders to try to run the ball with Jordan a whole lot more, if only because getting stuffed at the LOS is better than watching the QB pull turf out of his helmet on 3 straight downs.

 

[Silver & Black]

No. <_<

 

[Ozymandias]

There is a possibility that this situation can turn out very good for the Raiders.Oakland's early 90's offense could actually work really well against current defenses, but it'd need tweaking.Defenses are too fast now almost every take a 7 step drop and a 5 step drop is risky as well. However, the price defenses pay for becoming so good at rushing the passer is that they are very small. Defensive ends now are big linebackers. Look how wide defensive ends line up now. And linebackers now are also very undersized compared to previous eras. They need to be smaller and quicker because NFL offenses have gotten faster and LBs need to cover a lot of ground in zone in modern schemes.The solution to the problem of modern defenses, in Shell's era, was to just line up in a 2 tight, 2 back, 1 WR set, shrink the OL's splits down to about 6" and pound these smaller defenses into the ground.This would make the defenses either get out of their base personell or force them to change their defenses drastically. Suddenly Dwight Freeneys and Merriman's of the world aren't on your QB in 2 seconds when they are lined up directly over the OL, becauase if they are lined up in space, where defenses put them now, the TE will just throw a kick out block on a run and the tackle is free to go at the LB. Personally, I really do not see the Raiders doing this, but it has been something I've been screaming for NFL teams to do for years. But I would expect the Raiders to try to run the ball with Jordan a whole lot more, if only because getting stuffed at the LOS is better than watching the QB pull turf out of his helmet on 3 straight downs.

How was the Bed and Breakfast business?