As I've Said Before.... (1 Viewer)

[Varmint]

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In a previous thread I talked in depth about how I feel that Keepers (keeping players from the bidding) is not good for the auction format.

After all...the biggest draw of the auction format is that ANY player is available to ANY team....just bid another buck.

No amount of talking is going to convince me that the Keeper format does not effect AUCTION NIGHT

...the bottom line is that the auction format is better than the draft format because it allows every team to bid on any player.

The ONLY reason I had ever considered keeping players in an auction format was to shorten the auction a bit...thus, allowing the auction to end at a reasonable hour.

I have been trying to come up with a way to shorten the auction WITHOUT stud players being kept from the bidding....

I think that I found it!!

Starting next season....no Position Player will be allowed to be kept by any franchise.

Instead...we will incorporate a two-round snake draft that will take place just before the 2010 auction begins.

We will use the 2009 season's final (Week 16) Power Rankings to decide the order in which we procede.

Starting at the top (the highest Power Ranking) teams will pick either a DEF/ST...or...a PK.

We will go from top to bottom then back up to the top allowing each team picking twice from the pool of DEF/ST and PK.

When these two rounds are over each team will have a DEF/ST and a PK on their roster to begin the season.

Teams can pick any combination of two.

Some will end these two rounds with 1 DEF/ST and 1 PK...or two of the same position...whatever they want.

Since DEF/ST's and PK's are pretty much a crap shoot anyway and most go for less than $5 in our league...they are not highly sought after.

As soon as these two rounds are finished we will begin our auction.

This will accomplish the original goal of shortening the auction by 28 positions and allowing EVERY NFL player to be available to EVERY league franchise.

It will also keep more teams active through Week 16.

Teams who fail to make the playoffs will have another reason to keep submitting a lineup.

(we already add an additional $5 to the $100 salary cap of the team who scores the most starter points during Weeks 14-16)

It is a great solution to those leagues who want to shorten the auction a bit WITHOUT allowing teams benefit from NFL off-season trades and who want to live up to the full potential of the auction...allowiing ANY team to own ANY player.

A better Power Ranking will earn them a higher pick in the DEF/ST...PK portion on auction night!!

(Yeah yeah...I know....you don't do it in your league so it must be stupid...I get it.)

 

[Balance]

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In a previous thread I talked in depth about how I feel that Keepers (keeping players from the bidding) is not good for the auction format.

After all...the biggest draw of the auction format is that ANY player is available to ANY team....just bid another buck.

No amount of talking is going to convince me that the Keeper format does not effect AUCTION NIGHT

...the bottom line is that the auction format is better than the draft format because it allows every team to bid on any player.

The ONLY reason I had ever considered keeping players in an auction format was to shorten the auction a bit...thus, allowing the auction to end at a reasonable hour.

I have been trying to come up with a way to shorten the auction WITHOUT stud players being kept from the bidding....

I think that I found it!!

Starting next season....no Position Player will be allowed to be kept by any franchise.

Instead...we will incorporate a two-round snake draft that will take place just before the 2010 auction begins.

We will use the 2009 season's final (Week 16) Power Rankings to decide the order in which we procede.

Starting at the top (the highest Power Ranking) teams will pick either a DEF/ST...or...a PK.

We will go from top to bottom then back up to the top allowing each team picking twice from the pool of DEF/ST and PK.

When these two rounds are over each team will have a DEF/ST and a PK on their roster to begin the season.

Teams can pick any combination of two.

Some will end these two rounds with 1 DEF/ST and 1 PK...or two of the same position...whatever they want.

As soon as these two rounds are finished we will begin our auction.

This will accomplish the original goal of shortening the auction by 28 positions and allowing EVERY NFL player to be available to EVERY league franchise.

It will also keep more teams active through Week 16.

Teams who fail to make the playoffs will have another reason to keep submitting a lineup.

(we already add an additional $5 to the $100 salary cap of the team who scores the most starter points during Weeks 14-16)

It is a great solution to those leagues who want to shorten the auction a bit WITHOUT allowing teams benefit from NFL off-season trades and who want to live up to the full potential of the auction...allowiing ANY team to own ANY player.

A better Power Ranking will earn them a higher pick in the DEF/ST...PK portion on auction night!!

(Yeah yeah...I know....you don't do it in your league so it must be stupid...I get it.)

wat.

 

[CalBear]

Your premise is flawed and your suggestion is silly.

 

[iSnitch]

We do a keeper auction...can't hold a player more than three seasons but their cost is whatever you paid for them plus...so that's less money you have to spend in the next auction.

You have to lock up your guys early in the year if you want to keep them, so it's not worth it to tag the elite guys, as the cost would be too great. Signing a younger guy could easily backfire if they fizzle out after a hot start.

 

[PatsWillWin]

wat

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

So I don't have an equal shot at the Steelers defense? What is the point of doing the auction ???

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I'm sure that the owners will love this idea. Good luck.

 

[stugnut]

Why would you want to "shorten" the funnest day of the year? Beer, Friends, Pizza, Trash Talk. The draft is Christmas, Fathers Day, my 21st Birthday, and the 4th of July all rolled into one. If I were in a real life Groundhog Day, living the same day over and over, I would want it to be draft day. I'm trying to think of ways to make draft day longer.

 

[bentley]

We do a keeper auction...can't hold a player more than three seasons but their cost is whatever you paid for them plus...so that's less money you have to spend in the next auction. You have to lock up your guys early in the year if you want to keep them, so it's not worth it to tag the elite guys, as the cost would be too great. Signing a younger guy could easily backfire if they fizzle out after a hot start.

We do the first part of this (3 season max and cost plus retention model). We don't force people to lock up guys early. Still, most of the elite players go back into the pool every year because of the cost plus model. They can usually be reauctioned for about the same amount.I think the proposed model in the OP is missing out on one of the things that really keep the end of an auction interesting. Since everyone understands the value of a keeper, strange bidding wars will break out over guys like JJ Arrington when he was a rookie as people try to "steal" their sleeper. Every once in a while, someone gets lucky and gets to keep Greg Jennings for 3 years at $1/$6/$11. And just about as often, someone wildly overpays for Reggie Bush or Ricky Williams in his return to football. That seems like a lot more fun than having the draft kicked off by two rounds of kickers/defenses.

 

[roadkill1292]

We do a keeper auction...can't hold a player more than three seasons but their cost is whatever you paid for them plus...so that's less money you have to spend in the next auction. You have to lock up your guys early in the year if you want to keep them, so it's not worth it to tag the elite guys, as the cost would be too great. Signing a younger guy could easily backfire if they fizzle out after a hot start.

We do the first part of this (3 season max and cost plus retention model). We don't force people to lock up guys early. Still, most of the elite players go back into the pool every year because of the cost plus model. They can usually be reauctioned for about the same amount.I think the proposed model in the OP is missing out on one of the things that really keep the end of an auction interesting. Since everyone understands the value of a keeper, strange bidding wars will break out over guys like JJ Arrington when he was a rookie as people try to "steal" their sleeper. Every once in a while, someone gets lucky and gets to keep Greg Jennings for 3 years at $1/$6/$11. And just about as often, someone wildly overpays for Reggie Bush or Ricky Williams in his return to football. That seems like a lot more fun than having the draft kicked off by two rounds of kickers/defenses.

This. My league actually used to do what Varmint is proposing but we put those positions back into the auction some years back and went on our merry way without missing a beat. Even after keepers, we're still buying almost 200 players on auction day. There's lotsa fun to be had.

 

[Adebisi]

Your premise is flawed and your suggestion is silly.

 

[The Dude]

We do a keeper auction...can't hold a player more than three seasons but their cost is whatever you paid for them plus...so that's less money you have to spend in the next auction. You have to lock up your guys early in the year if you want to keep them, so it's not worth it to tag the elite guys, as the cost would be too great. Signing a younger guy could easily backfire if they fizzle out after a hot start.

We do the first part of this (3 season max and cost plus retention model). We don't force people to lock up guys early. Still, most of the elite players go back into the pool every year because of the cost plus model. They can usually be reauctioned for about the same amount.I think the proposed model in the OP is missing out on one of the things that really keep the end of an auction interesting. Since everyone understands the value of a keeper, strange bidding wars will break out over guys like JJ Arrington when he was a rookie as people try to "steal" their sleeper. Every once in a while, someone gets lucky and gets to keep Greg Jennings for 3 years at $1/$6/$11. And just about as often, someone wildly overpays for Reggie Bush or Ricky Williams in his return to football. That seems like a lot more fun than having the draft kicked off by two rounds of kickers/defenses.

This is similar to what we do - but we factor in the effect of striking gold. Should another owner be willing to pay X amount (say $20) more than a guy is being kept for, the player goes to restricted free agency. So if another owner wanted to spend $31 on Jennings (year 3) - the player would go to closed bid (minimum bid is the $31 committment). Closed bids are submitted on a scratch piece of paper. The original owner has the right to match the high bid or release to the pool.The closed bid is fun beacuse sometimes the high bid is say $45 and the next highest is $31. Forces owners to bid close to their own value amount for the player - not the open market value.

 

[glock]

We do a keeper auction...can't hold a player more than three seasons but their cost is whatever you paid for them plus...so that's less money you have to spend in the next auction. You have to lock up your guys early in the year if you want to keep them, so it's not worth it to tag the elite guys, as the cost would be too great. Signing a younger guy could easily backfire if they fizzle out after a hot start.

We do the first part of this (3 season max and cost plus retention model). We don't force people to lock up guys early. Still, most of the elite players go back into the pool every year because of the cost plus model. They can usually be reauctioned for about the same amount.I think the proposed model in the OP is missing out on one of the things that really keep the end of an auction interesting. Since everyone understands the value of a keeper, strange bidding wars will break out over guys like JJ Arrington when he was a rookie as people try to "steal" their sleeper. Every once in a while, someone gets lucky and gets to keep Greg Jennings for 3 years at $1/$6/$11. And just about as often, someone wildly overpays for Reggie Bush or Ricky Williams in his return to football. That seems like a lot more fun than having the draft kicked off by two rounds of kickers/defenses.

This. My league actually used to do what Varmint is proposing but we put those positions back into the auction some years back and went on our merry way without missing a beat. Even after keepers, we're still buying almost 200 players on auction day. There's lotsa fun to be had.

I'll "third" this. Keepers are declared the month before the draft. Only drafted- not F/A aquired- players can be kept and salaries increase yearly based on the initial salary. No cap on the amount of years keepers can be kept, but very rarely does an owner end up keeping a player for more than a couple of years due to the increasing salaries. The league champ can only keep 1 player, runner-up-2, other playoff teams-3 and those who were out of the hunt-4. This prompts some trade deadline action before the playoffs each year as those in the hunt look to aquire proven talent for the playoffs, and out-of-it players look for low priced potential keepers.Still plenty of drafting to be had.

 

[Lehigh98]

Your premise is flawed and your suggestion is silly.

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[Keepers]

I am not entirely sure what the purpose is of your thread ... to discuss the merits (or disadvantages) of keepers, or to shorten the overall length of your auction? If it is the length of the auction, in my leagues D & Ks take about as long to auction as they do to draft as there are so few bids on them, so the time savings (if there are any) would be minimal.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wow. Way to complicated. What we've done is accelerate a players' salary to 25% of the total cap after three seasons. So there are a lot of good players out there. We keep two players only.

 

[Steel Dillo]

I'm in 2 auction leagues. In the more interesting one, we have 1 year keepers and you can keep as many as you can afford and still fill a full roster at the end of the austion.

If you want to keep a player, it will cost you the average of the top 5 highest paid players from the same position from the previous year. If your player is one of the top 5 highest paid at his position, then his salary is last year's amount + 15%. Usually only 5 - 10 keepers in the whole league in any given season.