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Ashley Lelie (1 Viewer)
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I live in Denver and have been reading anything and everything that I can get a hold of. His name is being linked to everyone. but it seems that Denver wants to much for him in return.
the gossip
trying to swing something for TJ Duckett (atl)
trying to trade for JOhnson (TE w/ SF)
trade with NO (they are trading with anyone right now)
Denver keeps throwing out trades to NE, but no interest from them
so right now the answer is nothing seems to close. Watts has looked great in OTA's so that is giving the coaching staff a little comfort, but no one knows if Walker is going to need some time to get back to full speed or not. all indications are he is looking good, but you just don't know. It would be in Lelie's best interest to come back and not hold out.
sorry I don't have anything more for you
the gossip
trying to swing something for TJ Duckett (atl)
trying to trade for JOhnson (TE w/ SF)
trade with NO (they are trading with anyone right now)
Denver keeps throwing out trades to NE, but no interest from them
so right now the answer is nothing seems to close. Watts has looked great in OTA's so that is giving the coaching staff a little comfort, but no one knows if Walker is going to need some time to get back to full speed or not. all indications are he is looking good, but you just don't know. It would be in Lelie's best interest to come back and not hold out.
sorry I don't have anything more for you
The Jacket
Footballguy
As a Chiefs fan, I would pull the trigger on a deal for Lelie that included any second day draft choice and/or a lesser player.
I don't think i'd want the Chiefs to spend a third-rounder on him, but I have little conviction in that thought; how likely is it that the Chiefs will draft a 1000-yard receiving talent like Lelie in the mid-to-late part of that round?
Still, Kansas City remains a logical destination, and there are similar teams that could use a WR. But i'm not so sure that the Broncos are going to fold on their asking price, and i'm even less sure that they'd trade a potentially very decent weapon to a divisional rival - especially one that's expected to be the main competition within the division.
I don't think i'd want the Chiefs to spend a third-rounder on him, but I have little conviction in that thought; how likely is it that the Chiefs will draft a 1000-yard receiving talent like Lelie in the mid-to-late part of that round?
Still, Kansas City remains a logical destination, and there are similar teams that could use a WR. But i'm not so sure that the Broncos are going to fold on their asking price, and i'm even less sure that they'd trade a potentially very decent weapon to a divisional rival - especially one that's expected to be the main competition within the division.
Banger
Footballguy
I highly doubt he's going anywhere. Unless the Bronc's can get something really good it doesn't make sense to move him. He does one thing but he does it well - he goes deep. Having him as a 3rd wr with that threat can really open up their offense and keep defenses honest. I think Lelie has the problem moreso than the Bronc's and they are not going to help him out just to be nice guys.
moleculo
Footballguy
Last year Trevor Pryce was shopping himself around, and ended up back with the Broncos. I think a similar thing will happen with lelie. Denver has NO incentive to trade him for anything less than a day 1 pick, and so I don't see Shannahan pulling the trigger for anything less than that. It would not be in lelies interests to sit out a season - that would basically kill his career, IMO. Unless Denver can swing a trade for a veteran (which becomes more and more unlikely, as training camp approaches), I see Lelie back in Denver for one last year, basically playing for next years contract.
of ocurse, this could be wishful thinking...
don't you think Lelie would wake up after Kubiak rejected a trade for Lelie back before he landed Moulds? I mean, if the Texans don't want you, c'mon. he needs to prrof to the NFL that he has the skills. He is in for a big payday next year if he plays out this year. I saw a comparison that his numbers compare very close to David Givens, same amount of catches, same TD's, but Lelie had a higher per catch avg. so in that comparison he has $5 million a year waiting for him come 2007. jsut play out the year and shut the hell up.
SSOG
Moderator
Come on, now you're just being ridiculous. You like Hymes better than Lelie? You don't think Lelie would be a top-3 WR on your team (implied when you called him a #4 or 5)?Lelie's already got a 1,000 yard receiving season, and he's lead the league in yards-per-catch for two straight seasons. He'll probably never be a very good #1, but he's a PHENOMINAL #2- not just for the plays he makes, but for the way he opens up the offense.
I agree with the other Broncos Homers, though. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet that Lelie stays in Denver this season and plays all 16 games.
Warpig
Footballguy
No-no...I said that Jacksonville doesn't NEED Lelie. They have a young WR corps. I'm not saying that Hymes is better than Lelie at this moment, but I do think he has potential...he has the ability to make plays. I wouldn't want Jacksonville to have to give anything up (unless they could get him for like a 5th rounder, which won't happen). They have Jones who can stretch the field with his speed and Williams and Wilford can work the intermediate routes. Plus all the other guys to compliment. Lelie needs to sack up and play his ### off and go somewhere else that will make him happy so he can play to his potential. Though I don'd ever see him being a #1 anywhere, not because of ability, but because of his attitude.
you are completely acurate that the situations are different, howevr Kennison came back and smoked the Broncos the first time back to play against the broncos. so in reference to WARPIG stating that KC would be a good trade partner, I think there is no chance, none. no way Denver gives their division nemesis a deep threat like Lelie. not a chance, you can put it on the board.
T Man
Footballguy
If Lelie is traded for a veteran player, I think it will be very close to training camp (or even in traing camp). Even with the trade for someone like Eric Johnson, SF may not want to give Vernon Davis another chip for negotiations. Like the Saints are allegedly doing with Bennett (wait until Bush is signed then trade Bennet), other teams will likely do. Also, I would think SF would have to kick a little more in due to EJs history (although when he plays he plays well).
As for the suggested TJ for Lelie trade, bad move for Chicago. Lelie is a WR with 1 year left on his contract who thinks he's a #1 and presumably wants to be paid like one although he has never performed like one. Bradley looked good before he was hurt.
TJ has two years left on his contract and HAS performed like a #1 RB. Denver would have to kick in more for this.
As for the suggested TJ for Lelie trade, bad move for Chicago. Lelie is a WR with 1 year left on his contract who thinks he's a #1 and presumably wants to be paid like one although he has never performed like one. Bradley looked good before he was hurt.
TJ has two years left on his contract and HAS performed like a #1 RB. Denver would have to kick in more for this.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Canton
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MLBrandow
Guest
Someone else mentioned this in another thread, and it makes a lot of football sense. Wish there was some substantiation. Maybe the utter lack of this seemingly obvious move might breathe to the
.... could just be a blind shot in the dark from fantasy gods and their worshippers.I haven't been following the Lelie situation as close as some.... anyone:1) Is he a lock to be out of Denver before the season?
2) Why can't he beat out Rod Smith THIS year, or just wait a year for him to retire?
3) Does he believe a team that might trade for him will give him a sizable contract?
4) How much does he think he's going to get?
5) Who would Give it to him?
moleculo
Footballguy
my attempt at answers in blue. HTHSomeone else mentioned this in another thread, and it makes a lot of football sense. Wish there was some substantiation. Maybe the utter lack of this seemingly obvious move might breathe to the
1) Is he a lock to be out of Denver before the season?
no. Like I said earlier, at this time last year Trevor Pryce was shopping himself around. Once he couldn't fina a suitor, he came back to Denver to show he had something left. This would be in Lelies best interest, and I'm sure Shanny and the rest of the Broncos would welcome him back with open arms.
2) Why can't he beat out Rod Smith THIS year, or just wait a year for him to retire?
my opinion is that he drops too many passes to be counted on as a go-to guy. Also, he doesn't seem to work well with intermediate routes, especially over the middle. This could be because the game plan has him going deep most of the time to stretch the field.
3) Does he believe a team that might trade for him will give him a sizable contract?
4) How much does he think he's going to get?
5) Who would Give it to him?
I don't think it's about the money at this point - I think he is bitter in that he doesn't see the opprutunity to be the go-to guy in Denver based on (1) the run first nature of the offense (2) the addition of Javon Walker (3) the presence of an established team leader like Rod Smith.
SSOG
Moderator
1) I expect him to play all 16 games for Denver and produce pretty well, at that. More of an educated guess than a really strong belief, but there it is.2) Oh, yeah, just go beat out Rod Smith. Easier said that done. Also, Rod just made the pro bowl last year. Who is to say he'll retire after this season? He wants another ring before he goes, and as long as Denver is as competitive as they've been, I see him sticking around for a couple of years- which is more than can be said about Lelie at this point.
3) Yup.
4) I think he's convinced he'll get #1 money. Probably something at least on par with the Reggie Wayne deal. Hard to say for sure.
5) Nobody. Lelie is delusional, and he'll realize it quickly enough when no team in the league expresses any interest in him at his current asking price.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Interesting on two fronts... in bold.
THE NEWS
Ashley Lelie is entering the last season of his contract and he wants out of Denver badly. Mike Shanahan has already replaced him with Javon Walker, but the Broncos seem unwilling to trade the disgruntled wideout unless they can get a first round pick or a top running back in return.
Our View
Lelie will be moved before camp, but Shanahan may have to lower his asking price get a deal done. Lelie wants to be a number one receiver, but his lack of consistency and his contract situation make him a less than desirable commodity at this point. If Denver is able to acquire another running back, Tatum Bell could become the next Bronco on the block.
THE NEWS
Ashley Lelie is entering the last season of his contract and he wants out of Denver badly. Mike Shanahan has already replaced him with Javon Walker, but the Broncos seem unwilling to trade the disgruntled wideout unless they can get a first round pick or a top running back in return.
Our View
Lelie will be moved before camp, but Shanahan may have to lower his asking price get a deal done. Lelie wants to be a number one receiver, but his lack of consistency and his contract situation make him a less than desirable commodity at this point. If Denver is able to acquire another running back, Tatum Bell could become the next Bronco on the block.
Garrett
Footballguy
SSOG
Moderator
John Clayton weighs in on the issue...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=2502785
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=2502785
The Professor seems to think it's a foregone conclusion that Lelie is gone this season.
LOL. Give up a second for Walker and expect a first back for Leiie. This is why he is going nowhere if this is at all true. I think they would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder and think 4th is more the market. He is not even close to McNair in the end. Just look at alot of the past trades. !st dont go to often for a veteran player. This allowing a player to talk trade also does not work out.
SSOG
Moderator
Yeah, all the reports I've read have mentioned a first day pick, except for Clayton who said that no team would give up a "number 1". I think it was just a mistake on Clayton's part (although he's right, no team wants to give up a #1 pick for Lelie).Still, Walker managed a second rounder despite having a season-ending injury last year. If Lelie was really as good as he thinks he is, teams would give up a 1st rounder for him. Heck, Atlanta gave up a 1st rounder for PEERLESS PRICE.
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
The comparison is spot on!
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
FWIW, the WEEI flash guy (Boston sports radio for those who don't know), reported that the Falcons are the leading team to acquire Lelie in a trade. These sportsflashes typically don't include a lot of non-Boston stuff unless its more than just rumor, so I'm sure it's been reported somewhere.
Again, FWIW.
Again, FWIW.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
No matter where he goes, he's headed one place: The bench.
He's a #3WR.
Yet another underwhelming first round skill position player from the 2002 Draft Class.
He's a #3WR.
Yet another underwhelming first round skill position player from the 2002 Draft Class.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
You think Lelie would be a WR3 in Atlanta???
Domination
Footballguy
He only knows how to run one route. Speed is a great weapon, but you need something else. Anything else
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Actually, he'd be the SIXTH receiving threat behind: Crumpler, Dunn, Rowdy Roddy White and Jenkins.That's if Ron Mexico doesn't decide to scramble for a first down or take a sack.... f'n T-baggin MFer...
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Interesting, considering back in 2002, everyone thought Lelie was going to the Falcons. Instead, they took Duckett. Maybe they're regretting their decision now.And as much as Lelie gets slammed on these boards as being one-dimensional, could you imagine him breaking free on a broken play? We all know how far Vick can throw...
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Who called me a "f'n T-baggin MFer" ?
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
And lelie might be just fast enough to get over to wherever the @(#* that ball ends up before it hits the turf.Kit Fisto said:
moleculo
Footballguy
Lelie's income taking big hit 8/15
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
Remember the good ol' days when athletes said they'd play for free?
Ashley Lelie is closing in on going back in time.
Let's do some math for the disgruntled Broncos wide receiver. Lelie
was supposed to receive $800,000 this year - $700,000 in salary and
$100,000 for an offseason workout bonus. Hoping to force a trade,
Lelie did not participate in the team's offseason program,
surrendering his bonus and leaving him with $700,000.
Continuing, he had accumulated $263,000 in fines through Monday for
missing minicamp in early July and the ongoing training camp.
That dropped his gross income to $437,000. Hold out three more days
and Lelie will have forfeited more than half his potential 2006
income.
Should he stay away through Sept. 15, which falls between the
Broncos' season opener at St. Louis and their second game, against
Kansas City, Lelie could then return and play the rest of the season
for free.
That's right, the NFL's leader in yards per catch each of the past
two seasons - absolutely free!
Worse for Lelie, because the Broncos can argue the holdout is in
breach of contract, the team can order him to repay $880,000 - one-
fifth of the $4.4 million in signing and option bonuses he already
has received.
Lelie could not be reached for comment Monday.
"From a financial situation, it starts adding up and he's got to
make those decisions," said Ted Sundquist, the Broncos' general
manager. "At the same time, we've got to press on."
Inside the Broncos' locker room, the players have good- naturedly
posted a running tab of Lelie's fines. The players laugh and they
also shake their heads.
"If he showed up, what would be my reaction?" said cornerback Champ
Bailey, arguably the Broncos' best player. "Well ... I don't know
how I would take it. It's not my place to have any say in it. I want
everybody here. I'm sure the locker room would be mixed."
After the top two receivers, Rod Smith and Javon Walker, top rookie
and No. 3 prospect Brandon Marshall is on crutches as he mends a
slightly torn knee ligament.
If Lelie were here, it's within reason to believe he could put up
decent numbers in Denver this year - and then escape through free
agency at season's end.
Any chance he would drop his trade demand and return to the Broncos?
"My entire focus has been on trying to work out a trade," said Peter
Schaffer, Lelie's agent. "We think this is the positive resolution
for all parties."
Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was first approached about Lelie's trade
desire six months ago at the Pro Bowl. When Lelie wasn't traded
after 2 1/2 months, he blamed his agents and hired Schaffer. Nearly
3 1/2 months after switching agents, Lelie remains the property of
the Broncos.
San Francisco was a potential suitor, but Monday the 49ers traded
for Washington wideout Taylor Jacobs. The Broncos recently have
poked around for a starting defensive end for Lelie, but teams are
only willing to surrender backups.
"Each day I'm more optimistic," Schaffer said. "There's a process
involved in determining value, much like in free agency. The better
understanding of what the value is, the closer we get."
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
Remember the good ol' days when athletes said they'd play for free?
Ashley Lelie is closing in on going back in time.
Let's do some math for the disgruntled Broncos wide receiver. Lelie
was supposed to receive $800,000 this year - $700,000 in salary and
$100,000 for an offseason workout bonus. Hoping to force a trade,
Lelie did not participate in the team's offseason program,
surrendering his bonus and leaving him with $700,000.
Continuing, he had accumulated $263,000 in fines through Monday for
missing minicamp in early July and the ongoing training camp.
That dropped his gross income to $437,000. Hold out three more days
and Lelie will have forfeited more than half his potential 2006
income.
Should he stay away through Sept. 15, which falls between the
Broncos' season opener at St. Louis and their second game, against
Kansas City, Lelie could then return and play the rest of the season
for free.
That's right, the NFL's leader in yards per catch each of the past
two seasons - absolutely free!
Worse for Lelie, because the Broncos can argue the holdout is in
breach of contract, the team can order him to repay $880,000 - one-
fifth of the $4.4 million in signing and option bonuses he already
has received.
Lelie could not be reached for comment Monday.
"From a financial situation, it starts adding up and he's got to
make those decisions," said Ted Sundquist, the Broncos' general
manager. "At the same time, we've got to press on."
Inside the Broncos' locker room, the players have good- naturedly
posted a running tab of Lelie's fines. The players laugh and they
also shake their heads.
"If he showed up, what would be my reaction?" said cornerback Champ
Bailey, arguably the Broncos' best player. "Well ... I don't know
how I would take it. It's not my place to have any say in it. I want
everybody here. I'm sure the locker room would be mixed."
After the top two receivers, Rod Smith and Javon Walker, top rookie
and No. 3 prospect Brandon Marshall is on crutches as he mends a
slightly torn knee ligament.
If Lelie were here, it's within reason to believe he could put up
decent numbers in Denver this year - and then escape through free
agency at season's end.
Any chance he would drop his trade demand and return to the Broncos?
"My entire focus has been on trying to work out a trade," said Peter
Schaffer, Lelie's agent. "We think this is the positive resolution
for all parties."
Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was first approached about Lelie's trade
desire six months ago at the Pro Bowl. When Lelie wasn't traded
after 2 1/2 months, he blamed his agents and hired Schaffer. Nearly
3 1/2 months after switching agents, Lelie remains the property of
the Broncos.
San Francisco was a potential suitor, but Monday the 49ers traded
for Washington wideout Taylor Jacobs. The Broncos recently have
poked around for a starting defensive end for Lelie, but teams are
only willing to surrender backups.
"Each day I'm more optimistic," Schaffer said. "There's a process
involved in determining value, much like in free agency. The better
understanding of what the value is, the closer we get."
Beaumont
Footballguy
Not in camp ... rollin up the fines ...
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Agree, but part of this has to be on the agent.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
My top 3 WRs from a dynasty draft last year:
Walker, Branch, Lelie
Shoot me now.
Walker, Branch, Lelie
Shoot me now.
moleculo
Footballguy
he actually switched agents in the middle of this - fired first agent because he wasn't being traded fast enough.
