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In a redraft who do you like more Huard or Delhomme...assuming both are opening day starters
I would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too risky
Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bitI would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too riskyI wouldn't be happy with either as my #1 and possibly my #2, but Delhomme at least has Steve Smith and (hopefully) Keyshawn as a 1-2 punch. The WRs in KC are um, yeah, um...... Samie Parker and Eddie Kennison. Well, the TE is better than Carolina....Delhomme over Huard, but both should be in the 17th-24th option range.Let's look at who might be better options
eytonCarsonBreesBradyMcNabbVickVYBulgerLeinartHassCutlerBigBenEliRiversRomoFavre(Kitna?)That's 16 QBs that should be safer bets than these two (Kitna is borderline, but he's last).There's also Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, McNair, JP Losman, Grossman, Pennington and Byron Leftwich.Other teams are undetermined (MIA, MIN) but I don't see how you couldn't pick a solid #1 and a better #2 option.
Delhomme and it isn't close in my book.In a redraft who do you like more Huard or Delhomme...assuming both are opening day starters
Huard - LJ's catches and runs padded Huard's numbers. He was a pass over the middle and in the flat QB who didn't throw to WRs much.Jake - A chucker. Throw it near SSmith and hope. Over the middle = Keyshawn. He better be available. A TE would really help.Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bit
Wasn't Trent Green top 5 two years ago with these same WRs? I would also expect KC to go WR in the first 2 roundsDo you guys think Huard's performance last year was a fluke? Just curious because it looks like 5 out of his 8 games were either multiple TD games over 300 yard performancesDelhomme and it isn't close in my book.In a redraft who do you like more Huard or Delhomme...assuming both are opening day starters
Just quickly glanced at the numbers but it appears LJ had only 1 big game receiving with Huard at Qb( a 6 for 106 effort) and he only caught 19 balls from him over a 7 game stretch(less than 3 a game). And he only had 1 game with over 45 yards receivingHuard - LJ's catches and runs padded Huard's numbers. He was a pass over the middle and in the flat QB who didn't throw to WRs much.Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bit
I expect Carolina to sign Harrington and/or draft a first day rookie. I would not be comfortable with Delhomme as my #1 QB.I would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too risky
Also it does look like Gonzo did well with Huard at QB. He had 5 games over 60 yards receiving and 2 100 yard games...but wasn't he the best receiving optionHuard - LJ's catches and runs padded Huard's numbers. He was a pass over the middle and in the flat QB who didn't throw to WRs much.Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bit
Could've written that better, sorry. LJ and TE passes over the middle.Look at WR performances in Huard starts. Kennison had one 100+ yard game. LJ also had one (receiving - long run after catch) and Gonzo had two. Gonzo and Eddie also each had one more game over 80.Just quickly glanced at the numbers but it appears LJ had only 1 big game receiving with Huard at Qb( a 6 for 106 effort) and he only caught 19 balls from him over a 7 game stretch(less than 3 a game). And he only had 1 game with over 45 yards receivingHuard - LJ's catches and runs padded Huard's numbers. He was a pass over the middle and in the flat QB who didn't throw to WRs much.Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bit
Wasn't saying either was a QB1 just asking who do you see as a better QB in redraft this yearI expect Carolina to sign Harrington and/or draft a first day rookie. I would not be comfortable with Delhomme as my #1 QB.I would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too risky
looking at Trent Green...he had only 1 -+200 yard game and 1 multi-TD game in 8 starts. I'm bringing this up to show the numbers actually say Huard performed better than Green when he was in there from a Fantasy perspective...if hitting LJ and Gonzo is what works...do itWasn't there a big uproar for Huard to be starting when Green came back? I just don't see Herm letting Croyle be the opening day starter in KC. ICould've written that better, sorry. LJ and TE passes over the middle.Look at WR performances in Huard starts. Kennison had one 100+ yard game. LJ also had one (receiving - long run after catch) and Gonzo had two. Gonzo and Eddie also each had one more game over 80.Just quickly glanced at the numbers but it appears LJ had only 1 big game receiving with Huard at Qb( a 6 for 106 effort) and he only caught 19 balls from him over a 7 game stretch(less than 3 a game). And he only had 1 game with over 45 yards receivingHuard - LJ's catches and runs padded Huard's numbers. He was a pass over the middle and in the flat QB who didn't throw to WRs much.Didn't Huard's numbers over his starting stretch project to top 10 qb numbers. I do agree both of them are QB2's but haven't KC's WRs always been bad? Didn't Delhomme have top 10 numbers in 05..not sure but just recollecting a bit
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As part of a QBBC? Delhomme. If relying on them to get you through the whole year? Huard. I don't see Croyle taking the starting job any time this year (barring injuries).Wasn't saying either was a QB1 just asking who do you see as a better QB in redraft this yearI expect Carolina to sign Harrington and/or draft a first day rookie. I would not be comfortable with Delhomme as my #1 QB.I would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too risky
Certainly you're not saying Harrington is a threat to take playing time for Delhomme, are you? I think Delhomme's job is safe for 2007 as long as he plays well, which I expect him to do. Even if he plays poorly, it's tough to see him getting pulled for a dead-end like Joey Harrington.I'm with Liquid Tension -- the answer to the original question is Jake Delhomme, and it's not close. Neither are close to QB1s, but Delhomme is the better fantasy QB.Riffraff said:I expect Carolina to sign Harrington and/or draft a first day rookie. I would not be comfortable with Delhomme as my #1 QB.gocats said:I would with Delhomme, Croyle is believed to be starter material, and I think that situation would be too risky
I think Huard is a solid backup at best.bigreese82 said:Wasn't Trent Green top 5 two years ago with these same WRs? I would also expect KC to go WR in the first 2 roundsDo you guys think Huard's performance last year was a fluke? Just curious because it looks like 5 out of his 8 games were either multiple TD games over 300 yard performancesLiquid Tension said:Delhomme and it isn't close in my book.bigreese82 said:In a redraft who do you like more Huard or Delhomme...assuming both are opening day starters
Jake Delhomme's three full years as a starter he's averaged 3508 yds and 24 td's He's also ran 1 td in each year. I think D Haurd can put up the same numbers as T Green. If you don't think so ignore this argument. T Green's 5 full years as a starter averaged 4023 yda and 22 tds His rushing stats drop off his jast three years to make them comparable to Delhomme's without the rushing td's KC's offense is pretty much plug in any wr and you can still get those numbers. What happens to Carolina's offense when Steve Smith goes down? I'll take D Haurd as my number 2 QB because Delhomme doesn't quite put up QB 1 type #'s
What are you talking about? Are you serious?First of all, **** Vermeil is retired. Al Saunders took that offense to Washington. Willie Roaf is retired. Will Shields has a foot out the door (that's 2 Hall of Fame O-Linemen). Priest Holmes is gone.Secondly, you're saying that a 34 year-old career back-up is going to put up the same stats as Trent Green did in his prime just because he's going to be wearing the same uniform colors? Really? 4000+ yds & 22+ TDs with Kennison & Gonzalez a few years older and both past their primes? No #2 WR? A career back-up QB?This is the Herm Edwards era. We're not talking about Al Saunders, **** Vermeil and a wide open offense behind the best offensive line the league has seen in years. We're talking pound L.J. until it softens up the defense for a pass play.I actually thought Huard was the right QB for this team if the choice was Green, Huard & Croyle. But that doesn't mean he's going to be a fantasy stud. He'll keep them in games, but don't expect big numbers considering his situation.KC's offense is pretty much plug in any wr and you can still get those numbers.
Last year with everyone past their prime and Trent Green only having 1..I repeat one 200 yard game they were only 30 yards per game from finishing top 10 in passing yardage. Damon Huard had 5 200 yard games in less starts and 4 multi TD games to Trent Green's 1 multi TD gameWhat are you talking about? Are you serious?First of all, **** Vermeil is retired. Al Saunders took that offense to Washington. Willie Roaf is retired. Will Shields has a foot out the door (that's 2 Hall of Fame O-Linemen). Priest Holmes is gone.Secondly, you're saying that a 34 year-old career back-up is going to put up the same stats as Trent Green did in his prime just because he's going to be wearing the same uniform colors? Really? 4000+ yds & 22+ TDs with Kennison & Gonzalez a few years older and both past their primes? No #2 WR? A career back-up QB?This is the Herm Edwards era. We're not talking about Al Saunders, **** Vermeil and a wide open offense behind the best offensive the league has seen in years. We're talking pound L.J. until it softens up the defense for a pass play.I actually thought Huard was the right QB for this team if the choice was Green, Huard & Croyle. But that doesn't mean he's going to be a fantasy stud. He'll keep them in games, but don't expect big numbers considering his situation.KC's offense is pretty much plug in any wr and you can still get those numbers.
But that's the point. He didn't do it over an entire year. Considering his history, his numbers were very likely to take a significant downturn had he played the full 16 game season. And his receiving crew has only gotten another year older and another year closer to the edge.Huard's numbers over an entire year would give him Top 10 QB numbers.
You don't need to project ratios.Some numbers..Huard averaged 211 yards passing per game in his 8 starts. Green averaged 167 yards in his 8 starts. Huard threw 11TDS vs 1 Int. in those games and Green threw 7 TDS and 9 Ints in his games. Huard's numbers over an entire year would give him Top 10 QB numbers. He also would be Tops if projecting his TD to INT ratio over a whole year
Surprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.
yes, because Trent Green was a proven and much better QB than HuardWould poll results have been different had it Said Trent Green vs Delhomme?? Pre-season Trent Green was consensus top 10 last year
Great, so why is Huard better than Delhomme?Some numbers..Huard averaged 211 yards passing per game in his 8 starts. Green averaged 167 yards in his 8 starts. Huard threw 11TDS vs 1 Int. in those games and Green threw 7 TDS and 9 Ints in his games. Huard's numbers over an entire year would give him Top 10 QB numbers. He also would be Tops if projecting his TD to INT ratio over a whole year
This is the logic that leads to huge mistakes on draft day. Has Damon Huard at 33 all of a sudden become a good QB? Were the prior 8 years the aberration or a more realistic time frame to make a judgment on than half a season last year?Chase, to say "Huard and it isn't even close" is comical; I can only hope you were kidding and trying toSurprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.
Huard was a significantly more productive QB than Delhomme last year. If you believe that was a fluke, that's fine. But there's no denying that Huard was excellent (99 QB Rating, strong record, second in the league in adjusted yards per attempt) while Delhomme was positively average last year (league average 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, 82 QB rating.)I don't think Delhomme was ever that good. Maybe Huard was lucky last year, but lots of unknowns have done well in the KC/STL system. I understand that it's not the same coaches anymore, but Huard was every bit as efficient Trent Green used to be in the KC system.This is the logic that leads to huge mistakes on draft day. Has Damon Huard at 33 all of a sudden become a good QB? Were the prior 8 years the aberration or a more realistic time frame to make a judgment on than half a season last year?Chase, to say "Huard and it isn't even close" is comical; I can only hope you were kidding and trying toSurprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.
If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.
Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.
Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.![]()
Agreed about being paralyzed if you wait to see something, but I have seen a lot of Huard and I am not terribly impressed. He played well last year, but I don't see that as something he can maintain consistently. Also, while you mention Delhomme, when he got the starting gig he was 28 with upside, at 33 there is little upside for Huard; two different scenarios. Remember that Huard had the Chance to start in Miami and he couldn't get it done.Before J Delhomme was in Carolina he was a backup to AARON BROOKS for 3 seasons played a grand total of 7 games- 50 completions on 86 attempts 3tds/5 ints. Yeah everybody KNEW he was gonna be a stud but A Brooks was SOOOO much better.(sarcasm) D Huard was a backup to Tom Brady for 3 years before going to KC He got ZERO playing time in NE. Before that he was in Miami 1 year of starting in 3 years there. No reason to say Huard is going to be bad when we've seen him in his current situation. A good starting NFL QB for the system he's in. Yes, 8 games isn't enough to make it a safe pick but it's good enough for me. If you gonna call D Huard a scrub you could've said the same thing about J Delhomme. before he started for Carolina If you're in a dynasty league the "I've gotta see a seasons worth" before making a move will sometimes leave you paralyzed.
All fine, but we are talking about who to project to be better NEXT year. Maybe Delhomme is average; I can understand that feeling, but to think Huard will be above average is pushing it.I guess my criticism is the mentality of taking what someone did in half a year and expecting that performance the next year. I would rather look at the players abilities and make judgments that include their past performance (all of it - with an higher % on recent performances)Huard was a significantly more productive QB than Delhomme last year. If you believe that was a fluke, that's fine. But there's no denying that Huard was excellent (99 QB Rating, strong record, second in the league in adjusted yards per attempt) while Delhomme was positively average last year (league average 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, 82 QB rating.)I don't think Delhomme was ever that good. Maybe Huard was lucky last year, but lots of unknowns have done well in the KC/STL system. I understand that it's not the same coaches anymore, but Huard was every bit as efficient Trent Green used to be in the KC system.This is the logic that leads to huge mistakes on draft day. Has Damon Huard at 33 all of a sudden become a good QB? Were the prior 8 years the aberration or a more realistic time frame to make a judgment on than half a season last year?Chase, to say "Huard and it isn't even close" is comical; I can only hope you were kidding and trying toSurprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.
If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.
Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.
Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.![]()
Liquid Tension said:When D Huard was in Miami he was the backup to Dan Marino with Jimmy Johnson as coach for 2 yearsAgreed about being paralyzed if you wait to see something, but I have seen a lot of Huard and I am not terribly impressed. He played well last year, but I don't see that as something he can maintain consistently. Also, while you mention Delhomme, when he got the starting gig he was 28 with upside, at 33 there is little upside for Huard; two different scenarios. Remember that Huard had the Chance to start in Miami and he couldn't get it done.
Split playing time with Marino in the 2nd year
3rd year, in comes rocket scientist Dave Wandstett and he brings in J Fiedler as the starter.
That was brilliant. Huard was backup to him for one season.
Am I afraid of a 33 year old QB not lasting very long vs a 28 year old? NO
Low mileage, he could go another 3-4 years(good years).
I just don't want to use a mid to mid-late round pick on Delhomme to back up what is hopefully a stud qb.
I could probably get Huard WAY late in a draft.
When T Green played no one was impressed with him either he just was
a top ten FF QB for 4 years in a row.
No there's no guarentees that D Huard gonna do the same thing
But i think we all know what J Delhommes gonna do.
Herm Edwards won't give him that many attempts, so your stat analysis in this case could prove to be rather flawed.For a consistency point of view, I'd rather have Huard (assuming he wins the starting role). In best ball, I'd take Jake.I'd still draft 2 QBs before it got down this far.Surprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.
Trent Green had 198 passes last year. Regardless, I was showing the disparity between the two QBs last year. People don't seem to realize how impressive the numbers Huard put up were. There are exceptions here and there (Brian Griese), but by and large, QBs with ratings in the high 90s are pretty good.Herm Edwards won't give him that many attempts, so your stat analysis in this case could prove to be rather flawed.For a consistency point of view, I'd rather have Huard. In best ball, I'd take Jake.I'd still draft 2 QBs before it got down this far.Surprised by the results, here. Huard and it isn't even close.If Huard had thrown an extra 187 passes for 927 yards (4.96 Y/A), along with 6 TDs and 10 INTs, he would have matched Delhomme's numbers. In other words, Huard could have matched Delhomme's numbers in his sleep, if he had played more games.Delhomme has never been a very good QB, he's just looked great because: he had the best receiver in the league in 2004, the best receiver in the league in 2005, and played a Patriots team with a significantly depleted secondary in the Super Bowl and lit them up. That's all.Having Steve Smith will always make Delhomme an attractive option, because Smith can go off for 150/2 on any given week. But Huard played like a stud QB last year, and could be a legitimate option this year.