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harryhood
Footballguy
ATL main focus has to be establish the run to keep Brady and Co.off the field I think. Who would want to get in a shootout with the Pats? Pound them with your stud RB, keep the clock rolling and when you are on defense, put pressure in the face of the QB. I think that's a decent blue print..especially on the road.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I think it will be a relatively low scoring affair, with Turner putting up some very nice stats.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
The line is at 45 1/2 and I would take the over. 
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I like Atlanta to make the NFC Championship at least.
If Welker doesnt play Atlanta by 10 1/2.
If Welker plays NE by 3.
If Welker doesnt play Atlanta by 10 1/2.
If Welker plays NE by 3.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Welker on his own is worth 2 TD?
switz
Footballguy
Agreed... NE can be beaten, as we've seen in two games. Run, they can't really stop it. Contain Moss, they don't score.Low scoring game, maybe 24-17 ATL.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Not if Galloway can recognize the blitz and cut off his routes when he should, but he didn't last game so...?
Tibetan Sherpa
Footballguy
I have high hopes for the Birds, but I just don't think our corners are up to the job. I see Moss going crazy Sunday.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
Patriots should win this one easy, but I can see Ryan and White putting up some nice stats. it'll be a shootout for the first three quarters until the Pats start pulling ahead by a couple TD's. Then, when Atlanta is forced to pass on every down, Ryan and company will start to make mistakes which will just lead to more patriots points. Atlanta scores at least one on a long screen pass.
NE - 48
Atl - 27
NE - 48
Atl - 27
Garts
Footballguy
lol
switz
Footballguy
I don't want to turn this into a Pats hater vs. Pats lovers thread., so please don't take my posting as digging into the Pats please. I just don't see how you can think this.Let's see... ATLs defensive weakness so far appears to be against the run, not the pass. Yet NE sucks running the ball. So I'm not sure where NE has the edge on ATLs defense.NE sucks defending the run, and ATL has some very good RBs, so it seems it would be relatively simple for ATL to run the ball, control the clock.Matt Ryan rarely throws INTs, so I'm not sure why you would think he'd turn the ball over excessively.It will be a close game.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
I wouldn't throwing out those kinds of calls with your track record switz. They had a bad outing against the Jets. Jets look good and have Revis to shut down Moss. Plus this one is back at home and if they have Welker they could be putting up some serious points.And switz, thanks for bringing up this:
First, you forgot to look at who they played -- CAR and MIA. Did you expect differently from run oriented teams? Second, Delhomme put up 300+ yards in ATL. You've got to expect Brady to put up better numbers than that.
I think New England's offensive success is based solely on what kind of pass rush the Falcons can bring. If they're in Brady's face every snap he's in trouble... if not, Brady carves them up. New England's o-line has looked poor but has played 2 good pass rushing teams so far.
switz
Footballguy
So can we put you on record saying NE will blow out ATL? You clearly disagree with me about it being a close game, and think Brady will far exceed 300 yards passing.For someone so big on "track records" I think it would be nice for you to actually take a stand on something so as to develop a track record.
agreed. Also, the NE run D not soo good. I do think both teams will put some points up though. neither D is all that good...
PatrickT
Footballguy
I think if it rains, that favors us. Turner protects the ball well, despite taking so many hits. Short passing game to Gonzo and Jenkins should come into play as well. But I am concerned about our corners. If Welker is out, we'll be able to dedicate Houston and DeCoud to eliminating Moss, but he's in, we don't have a LB who can cover him. We haven't demonstrated a great pass rush to this point, we did well vs Mia, not so good against Car. But, Car has one of the best Olines in the league.
I'm pretty confident we can put 25 on the Pats, I'm just not so sure we can hold them to under 25. I'm obviously picking my team to win here, but I won't be taking them in a survivor pool, that's for sure. I'll go 27-24 Birds.
I'm pretty confident we can put 25 on the Pats, I'm just not so sure we can hold them to under 25. I'm obviously picking my team to win here, but I won't be taking them in a survivor pool, that's for sure. I'll go 27-24 Birds.
steelcityman
Footballguy
I hope its shootout, I start Ryan and Moss. I'd love to see a combined 5+ TDs from them 2 guys.
I also could start Lofton at LB, but not sure about that one. I have a feeling Keith Rivers has something to prove vs Pitts(Ward), and could have a big game.
I also could start Lofton at LB, but not sure about that one. I have a feeling Keith Rivers has something to prove vs Pitts(Ward), and could have a big game.
Polka King
Footballguy
That's two comments in this thread stating the run D isn't so good. Last year, Pats run D was middle in the pack in yards allowed but only allowed 8 rushing touchdowns. Through two games this year it looks to be more of the same (although losing Seymour hurts, Wilfork is one of the best run-stopping NT's in the game). Neither the Bills nor the Jets lit up the Pats on the ground this year, and neither had a rushing touchdown. Obviously, the Falcons have a much better offense than the Bills or Jets so the Pats will have their hands full. I'd still bet against Turner having a huge game here.My gut tells me the Falcons will be better suited hitting Gonzo with passes in the middle of the field, as the Pats linebacking core is relatively weak with Mayo out.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Lot of things I disagree with in this thread.
1) A rainy day won't hurt the passing games.
2) Atlanta's run D is worse than the pass D, but the pass D is still mediocre.
3) Atlanta shouldn't try to control the clock and keep Brady/Moss off the field. It's what teams do with their possessions, not how much time they take off the clock. If you think you're the better team -- and at this point, Atlanta looks to be the better team -- you want to increase the number of possessions in a game. A game where each team has 12 possessions is more likely to go to the favorite than one where each have has 8 possessions.
4) If you don't think Atlanta's going to move the ball up and down on NE all day, then you must think NE is going to be a very different team on Sunday than they were in weeks 1 and 2. Because they looked bad against some pretty bad offenses. If you think Edwards and Jackson or Sanchez and Jones were good, Ryan and Turner (and White and Gonzo) will look fantastic. That is, of course, unless Belichick comes up with some crazy game plan where the Falcons get shut out. Seems unlikely, but it wouldn't exactly shock me to see that happen.
5) The NE run O can be very good at times. They went over 120 yards in 11 games last season and had two games of over 150 yards. If NE falls behind early (again) all bets are off, but I think Taylor or Maroney or Morris or Faulk coud have a huge game. GFL guessing which one.
1) A rainy day won't hurt the passing games.
2) Atlanta's run D is worse than the pass D, but the pass D is still mediocre.
3) Atlanta shouldn't try to control the clock and keep Brady/Moss off the field. It's what teams do with their possessions, not how much time they take off the clock. If you think you're the better team -- and at this point, Atlanta looks to be the better team -- you want to increase the number of possessions in a game. A game where each team has 12 possessions is more likely to go to the favorite than one where each have has 8 possessions.
4) If you don't think Atlanta's going to move the ball up and down on NE all day, then you must think NE is going to be a very different team on Sunday than they were in weeks 1 and 2. Because they looked bad against some pretty bad offenses. If you think Edwards and Jackson or Sanchez and Jones were good, Ryan and Turner (and White and Gonzo) will look fantastic. That is, of course, unless Belichick comes up with some crazy game plan where the Falcons get shut out. Seems unlikely, but it wouldn't exactly shock me to see that happen.
5) The NE run O can be very good at times. They went over 120 yards in 11 games last season and had two games of over 150 yards. If NE falls behind early (again) all bets are off, but I think Taylor or Maroney or Morris or Faulk coud have a huge game. GFL guessing which one.
switz
Footballguy
Chase, that was priceless!You make some good points in your post. My only question with #3 was the MIA/IND game. Do you think MIA would have won if they'd given the Colts more possessions? I'm not sure it mattered either way. But if ATL can stop NE on just a couple drives, and control the clock, I don't see how they don't make this a winnable game for themselves.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't think Miami would have won if they'd given the Colts more possessions, because Miami was much worse than Indy. But it's not like possesions are like turnovers -- you don't give one without getting one back. You can't control the clock in such a way that you get 10 possessions and your opponent gets 5. At the very best, you can be the one with the ball at the end of each half, which gives you one more possession than your opponent. But that's not something you can gameplan for, and it's certainly not something you should strategize for until the final few minutes of the half.If you're giving the opposition more possessions because you're going three and out, then yeah, you don't want to give the opposition more possessions. If you're giving NE the ball more often because you're scoring touchdowns, I don't think you should have a problem giving the ball to them all day long.
Spike
Footballguy
Weather is likely to be an issue. It calls for rain, temps in the mid-60s and 10-15 MPH of wind. Not pristine conditions for airing it out.The line is at 45 1/2 and I would take the over.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Although this article, Impact of Weather on Fantasy Football Performance, doesn't include a wind adjustment, I found this a week or so ago and think it's a very interesting read.I doubt the weather conditions as stated have much of an impact on total points scored in the game unless it's a driving, Miami @ Pittsburgh deluge. If anything, it likely aids the Patriots compared to the Falcons who play more than half of their games in domes each season.Weather is likely to be an issue. It calls for rain, temps in the mid-60s and 10-15 MPH of wind. Not pristine conditions for airing it out.The line is at 45 1/2 and I would take the over.
switz
Footballguy
I only got to see the first half, but Pats did a much better job against Turner than I expected.I think NE can be good running the ball IF they continue to use one RB, and his name isn't Maroney. Perhaps they will as they move forward, but when they mix in the RBs a lot, it doesn't seem any of them get into a rhythm. Their defense did an exceptional job against Ryan as well. Very impressive.Pretty good showing for the Pats considering how they suck at running the ball and defending the run.
parrot
Footballguy
To be fair to you switz, I think they did a better job of both than any of us expected.I only got to see the first half, but Pats did a much better job against Turner than I expected.I think NE can be good running the ball IF they continue to use one RB, and his name isn't Maroney. Perhaps they will as they move forward, but when they mix in the RBs a lot, it doesn't seem any of them get into a rhythm. Their defense did an exceptional job against Ryan as well. Very impressive.Pretty good showing for the Pats considering how they suck at running the ball and defending the run.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not sure why the Pats would suffer from rotating in fresh legs at RB vs. running one guy into the ground by the end of the day.I only got to see the first half, but Pats did a much better job against Turner than I expected.I think NE can be good running the ball IF they continue to use one RB, and his name isn't Maroney. Perhaps they will as they move forward, but when they mix in the RBs a lot, it doesn't seem any of them get into a rhythm. Their defense did an exceptional job against Ryan as well. Very impressive.Pretty good showing for the Pats considering how they suck at running the ball and defending the run.
