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With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation".

That didn't work out very well for me. :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year. At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?

 
With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation".

That didn't work out very well for me. :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year. At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?
Nope. Addai is in a great situation but doesn't have talent. IMHO, he won't last long in the NFL. The guy has bust written all over him and I wouldn't draft him.
 
you're comparing the Cardinals' offense to the Colts' offense????
What I mean to compare are players that were not highly ranked before the draft, and whose ranking soared based on where they were drafted.
 
you're comparing the Cardinals' offense to the Colts' offense????
What I mean to compare are players that were not highly ranked before the draft, and whose ranking soared based on where they were drafted.
seems like a bit of an arbitrary comparison.i guess i don't remember pre-draft of last year, but i didn't think Arrington's stock climbed all that much. He could have been drafted in the 1st round by the Broncos and he probably still would have been drafted behind Caddy, Brown, and Ced.

I didn't watch Addai a ton in college, but he is going to an almost ideal situation, a 50-50 shot at starting in one of the top NFL offenses. The hype is warranted, IMO. Arrington went to the worst rushing offense in the history of the universe.

 
I don't think these situations really compare much at all.

Arrington was going into a good situation because he was in good position to start, Addai is going into a good situation because he's on one of the best offenses in the NFL.

Talent-wise, Arrington was drafted in the second round when there wasn't that obvious pick at a different position available. Addai was drafted in the first round when there fantastic value at another position of definite need for the Colts (OLB), yet they thought enough of Addai to pick him instead.

Again talent-wise, Arrington was drafted by a team with a putrid history of evaluating draft day talent. Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent. People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are. You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.

 
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I don't get the comparison either. Every RB who has played in Arizona for the last 435 years has looked horrible. Then some of them went to other teams and looked just fine if not great.

Not exactly a "great situation" for Arrington the way I see it.

On the other hand, you could honestly not ask for a better situation than Addai has. The best offense in the league who just lost their franchise back and who likes to throw to their backs and give them a bunch of goal-line work, drafts a RB in the 1st round.

 
Offensive line is all that counts. Cards sucked last year BUT they have a new coach this year and unfortunately a new RB.

If I was Green I'd play them both and put in the old Gibbs / Corell offense from the hey days of the St. Louis Cardinals, SD Chargers, & Washington Redskins. No one has seen that in recent year which might make it a huge success.

Addai's problem is going to be getting TDs. Manning is a TD hog. If someone gets by him and takes out Manning then he'll be in real trouble with ??? throwing the ball.

 
Manning is a TD hog.
That may be, but people don't seem to realize that the ONLY guy who had more 5 yards and in opportunities in 2005 was Alexander.In fact, over the last 3 years NO ONE has had more goal-line work than Edge.

So if Manning is a TD hog as everyone likes to complain about, it isn't hurting the RB position.

 
With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation".

That didn't work out very well for me. :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year. At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?
While I won't compare the offenses, I too believe that Addai will be "over-hyped" as Arrington was last year. Tom

 
Offensive line is all that counts. Cards sucked last year BUT they have a new coach this year and unfortunately a new RB.

If I was Green I'd play them both and put in the old Gibbs / Corell offense from the hey days of the St. Louis Cardinals, SD Chargers, & Washington Redskins. No one has seen that in recent year which might make it a huge success.

Addai's problem is going to be getting TDs. Manning is a TD hog. If someone gets by him and takes out Manning then he'll be in real trouble with ??? throwing the ball.
If Addai lets someone get to Manning, something tells me he ain't gonna be on the field for long, either way, Manning gonna gets his TD, they Rhodes who can block. Something also tells me, Manning is more important to the Colts than any other player on the roster. Either ways, manning gonna get his tDs.
 
Situation without talent is nothing. people seem to forget that. You got be good, you gotta be starting, then you got dynasty value.

 
Situation without talent is nothing. people seem to forget that. You got be good, you gotta be starting, then you got dynasty value.
:goodposting: Addai = Arrington last year.

He stock is so high because of the situation not talent.

 
Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent. People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are. You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.
What's with the Belichick hate? How can you possibly knock the Patriot scouting and drafting staff compared to any team?
 
Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent. People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are. You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.
What's with the Belichick hate? How can you possibly knock the Patriot scouting and drafting staff compared to any team?
How was that Bellicheck hate? My point was that people like to mention how a great scouting department picked Maroney, yet fail to ever mention that an even better one picked Addai. It's certainly no knock against Bellicheck that Polian and the Colts make for one of the best scouting departments in recent history.
 
Addai's situation seems more like the Michael Bennett situation. An unproven talent drafted too high that goes into a decent FF situation. Addai follows in Edge's shadow like Bennett followed in Robet Smith's shadow. Bennett only had speed to kill, Addai is well rounded but not overly good at anything.

The Arrington situation was like Tomlinson's situation in that he went to a crappy team with a bad offensivve line. The difference was that Tomlinson had talent to overcome the situation, Arrington did not.

 
  Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent.  People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are.  You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.
What's with the Belichick hate? How can you possibly knock the Patriot scouting and drafting staff compared to any team?
How was that Bellicheck hate? My point was that people like to mention how a great scouting department picked Maroney, yet fail to ever mention that an even better one picked Addai. It's certainly no knock against Bellicheck that Polian and the Colts make for one of the best scouting departments in recent history.
It is not a knock on Belichick to say Polian is better. It may not be hate, but it is hyperbole bordering on stupidity to say Belichick is 1/10th the talent evaluator in the draft of Polian. It If Polian was 10X, the evaluator that Belichick (and being a football fan, you could learn to spell his name)is, than maybe his team wouldn't have been crappy on D for so long. Maybe he could have drafted better defensive players. Perhaps, the Colt's could have reached one Superbowl in Polian's tenure. However, they have not.
 
With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation". 

That didn't work out very well for me.  :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year.  At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?
Nope. Addai is in a great situation but doesn't have talent. IMHO, he won't last long in the NFL. The guy has bust written all over him and I wouldn't draft him.
Agreed 150%. He showed zero at all in college , i wonder how he ended up in the first round when he should normally ( from what he displayed in college ) have been selected in the third round. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

 
With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation". 

That didn't work out very well for me.   :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year.  At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?
Nope. Addai is in a great situation but doesn't have talent. IMHO, he won't last long in the NFL. The guy has bust written all over him and I wouldn't draft him.
Agreed 150%. He showed zero at all in college , i wonder how he ended up in the first round when he should normally ( from what he displayed in college ) have been selected in the third round. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
I jsut dont understand where you guys are coming up with the no talent statment...Sure addai didnt play alot in college, He started at LSU coming off of a injury, and competted with established rbs, yet he contributed in any way he could to help his team... he is clearly the best blocker, ( very important to the colts) and has the best hands, and speed ( out side of bush)...those of you that are selling him short will be very sorry...Mark My words :IBTL:

 
  Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent.  People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are.   You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.
What's with the Belichick hate? How can you possibly knock the Patriot scouting and drafting staff compared to any team?
How was that Bellicheck hate? My point was that people like to mention how a great scouting department picked Maroney, yet fail to ever mention that an even better one picked Addai. It's certainly no knock against Bellicheck that Polian and the Colts make for one of the best scouting departments in recent history.
It is not a knock on Belichick to say Polian is better. It may not be hate, but it is hyperbole bordering on stupidity to say Belichick is 1/10th the talent evaluator in the draft of Polian. It If Polian was 10X, the evaluator that Belichick (and being a football fan, you could learn to spell his name)is, than maybe his team wouldn't have been crappy on D for so long. Maybe he could have drafted better defensive players. Perhaps, the Colt's could have reached one Superbowl in Polian's tenure. However, they have not.
:goodposting:
 
Addai was drafted by a team with perhaps the best recent history of evaluating draft day talent. People love Maroney because Bellicheck drafted him, but Bellicheck isn't 1/10th the talent scout that Polian and the Colts are. You have to go back more than a decade to find the last 1st round bust picked by the Colts and nearly all of those first round picks found themselves in the pro-bowl at some point.
What's with the Belichick hate? How can you possibly knock the Patriot scouting and drafting staff compared to any team?
How was that Bellicheck hate? My point was that people like to mention how a great scouting department picked Maroney, yet fail to ever mention that an even better one picked Addai. It's certainly no knock against Bellicheck that Polian and the Colts make for one of the best scouting departments in recent history.
It is not a knock on Belichick to say Polian is better. It may not be hate, but it is hyperbole bordering on stupidity to say Belichick is 1/10th the talent evaluator in the draft of Polian. It If Polian was 10X, the evaluator that Belichick (and being a football fan, you could learn to spell his name)is, than maybe his team wouldn't have been crappy on D for so long. Maybe he could have drafted better defensive players. Perhaps, the Colt's could have reached one Superbowl in Polian's tenure. However, they have not.
The 1/10th statement was exaggeration used to prove a point, I think that was pretty clear. Ok, he's not literally 10x better, but as a talent evaluator I would go as far as to say he is quite a bit better.Yes, it took a while to build the defense, but he had to build the offense too. Let's not forget that Indy was pretty poor on both sides of the ball when he came in. Yes, NE has had a great defense, but that has a whole lot more to do with NEs coaching than it does with draft personnel. You look at NE's Super Bowl defenses and who really played a major role from the draft? Richard Seymour and that's pretty much it. The rest of the guys were either already there (McGinest, Law, Bruschi) or high dollar free agents that the Colts could not afford (Harrison, Milloy, Washington).

You move over to the Colts and pretty much every key player on both sides of the ball was a guy they acquired through the draft. They have virtually no big name free agents because they're so good at drafting they don't need them.

Manning, Wayne, Edge, Harrison, Glenn, Freeney, Mathis, Sanders...all acquired through the draft. The only real core pieces of the Patriots team acquired through the draft are Brady and Seymour, and you could maybe stretch it a bit and say Branch as well though I may be forgetting some.

I don't think anyone will deny that the Colts have the talent to win the Super Bowl, but for whatever reason they just haven't put it together. I will say this though, if you put the coaching of Belichick, Weiss, and Crennel together with the talent that Polian has brought into Indy I don't doubt that you'd have at least as many Super Bowls there. Dungy is a good coach, don't get me wrong, but he's not on the same plane as those guys.

Again, it's no knock on Belichick as he's one of the greatest football minds we've seen, but let's not confuse that with him being the absolute best at every aspect of the game either. The Patriots drafts have been pretty good the last decade, whereas the Colts have been phenomenal and have built a top NFL franchise almost strictly from the draft.

 
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With the 6th overall pick in my rookie draft last year, I drafted J.J Arrington because he was "drafted into a great situation". 

That didn't work out very well for me.   :yucky:

This year, I see alot of hype for Addai becasue, you guessed it, he was "drafted into a great situation".

I just can't bring myself to consider drafting Addai this year.  At this point, I personally have him ranked as the #5 RB, and if I had the 5th overall pick, I would probably take Vernon Davis ahead of him.

I am curious what other's (especially those who drafted J.J. last year) think....

Am I letting J.J cloud my judgement on Addai?
Nope. Addai is in a great situation but doesn't have talent. IMHO, he won't last long in the NFL. The guy has bust written all over him and I wouldn't draft him.
Agreed 150%. He showed zero at all in college , i wonder how he ended up in the first round when he should normally ( from what he displayed in college ) have been selected in the third round. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
I jsut dont understand where you guys are coming up with the no talent statment...Sure addai didnt play alot in college, He started at LSU coming off of a injury, and competted with established rbs, yet he contributed in any way he could to help his team... he is clearly the best blocker, ( very important to the colts) and has the best hands, and speed ( out side of bush)...those of you that are selling him short will be very sorry...Mark My words :IBTL:
you guys must not have been paying attention last year. Arrington has rb talent but he could block for squat and that contributed to his bust. He couldn't see the field enough to get going. Addai on the other hand is one of the best blocking backs in the draft that why he got drafted by the colts along with his speed and other attributes. And on another note about college production I remember two other backs that came out of LSU a few years back. One starter and one backup/KR/PR that had not produced not in college. Well one of them is a starter for the team that drafted him in the 4th and the other is a 4th string rb on the team that drafted him.

I think you guys know who i'm talking about.

 

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