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auction values including IDPs (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
are going for in typical auction drafts
Auction drafts that include full IDPs and full rosters 32+.... take FOREVER!
A twelve team league that has 40 players each has 480 picks.
If you are incredibly lucky you might get it done at an average of 1 minute each.
Thats 8 hours with no breaks and no mistakes/delays allowed.
And dont have the auction online or you are guaranteed more issues.
At such lengths I would guess it would be closer to 10-12 hours in real time.
As per your request: You simply wont have the actual auction information out there from typical drafts that are real. Maybe 1 or 2 league results at most and no mocks. The best you can hope for is someones opinion and dollar rankings.
Auction drafts that include full IDPs and full rosters 32+.... take FOREVER!
A twelve team league that has 40 players each has 480 picks.
If you are incredibly lucky you might get it done at an average of 1 minute each.
Thats 8 hours with no breaks and no mistakes/delays allowed.
And dont have the auction online or you are guaranteed more issues.
At such lengths I would guess it would be closer to 10-12 hours in real time.
As per your request: You simply wont have the actual auction information out there from typical drafts that are real. Maybe 1 or 2 league results at most and no mocks. The best you can hope for is someones opinion and dollar rankings.
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tfreiboth
Footballguy
Yes - we are doing a 10 team 45 roster spot initial dynasty no ppr idp league.any info would be greatly appreciated!T
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Starting requirements for the IDPs?
tfreiboth
Footballguy
Starting Rosters 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1TE, 2 Flex, 1 K, 3 DL, 4 LB, 3 DB, 25 Bench, No salary Cap, No Contracts
coolnerd
Footballguy
Just looked at those requirements and the league I am thinking of is larger (16 team) with a cap and contracts, but i will at least provide the link and allow you see if it is a help to you. Another suggestion would be to go throught the "looking for leagues" from the last couple of months (i know slow and bit of work) and see if there is a league or two which is close to yours and follow the links. http://www41.myfantasyleague.com/2008/home/64557
tfreiboth
Footballguy
I have looked around and scouted some values of the top players at each offensive position.
any guesses to the top values of the top rated Def positions (assuming a 1000$ starting auction amount)
Brady - 230$
Moss - 210$
LT - 320 $
Witten - 110$
P Willis - LB - ?
S Jones - DB - ?
J Allen - DL - ?
N Folk - K - ?
any help/guesses would be appreciated.
Thanks!
T
any guesses to the top values of the top rated Def positions (assuming a 1000$ starting auction amount)
Brady - 230$
Moss - 210$
LT - 320 $
Witten - 110$
P Willis - LB - ?
S Jones - DB - ?
J Allen - DL - ?
N Folk - K - ?
any help/guesses would be appreciated.
Thanks!
T
GregR_2
Footballguy
In my salary cap, contract league... 12 teams, $500 per team, 45-55 man rosters, start 11 offensive players, a full 4-3 IDP defense, and 4 special teams spots (kicker, punter, coach, kick return)....
Well, it was a bit of a weird auction because a couple of owners way overvalued the RBs and so everyone started paying that much for them and a lot of teams ran out of money. I had LT valued around $100 and Peyton valued at $110 (it's a 2 QB league), and LT went for $170, so 70% more than I thought he should have (and history is showing my estimates were a lot closer to what they should be as RB prices keep falling).
In any event, in such a league, the best IDPs were going for around 20. Ray Lewis was the highest paid and went for $26, Donnie Edwards for $19. Ed Reed went for $19. But the vast majority of IDPs went for close to the miminum. $3 or $4 was pretty much enough to have the pick of the litter after the top 3 or 4 at each position went because everyone was so cash poor.
I'll also add that from a few years of watching the league, I think 2/3 of starting IDPs should be going for the league minimum or for maybe 1 bid over it. There is too much variation and they are too hard to predict to be worth investing a very large amount in them. I'd never pay $20 for an IDP in this league. I could see paying $10 or a little more (which incidentally is the average player salary across all positions) for the top guys at each IDP position.
I don't know if the exact numbers I gave will help you, but if nothing else, the thought process may.
Well, it was a bit of a weird auction because a couple of owners way overvalued the RBs and so everyone started paying that much for them and a lot of teams ran out of money. I had LT valued around $100 and Peyton valued at $110 (it's a 2 QB league), and LT went for $170, so 70% more than I thought he should have (and history is showing my estimates were a lot closer to what they should be as RB prices keep falling).
In any event, in such a league, the best IDPs were going for around 20. Ray Lewis was the highest paid and went for $26, Donnie Edwards for $19. Ed Reed went for $19. But the vast majority of IDPs went for close to the miminum. $3 or $4 was pretty much enough to have the pick of the litter after the top 3 or 4 at each position went because everyone was so cash poor.
I'll also add that from a few years of watching the league, I think 2/3 of starting IDPs should be going for the league minimum or for maybe 1 bid over it. There is too much variation and they are too hard to predict to be worth investing a very large amount in them. I'd never pay $20 for an IDP in this league. I could see paying $10 or a little more (which incidentally is the average player salary across all positions) for the top guys at each IDP position.
I don't know if the exact numbers I gave will help you, but if nothing else, the thought process may.
GregR_2
Footballguy
Possibly. But I would go into your auction treating the IDPs as something that the prices have a lot of uncertainty to and just be ready to adapt.Here are a couple of tricks of you can do as well to manipulate the price. Assuming the first couple of players taken are high price players like LT, ADP, Brady, etc... immediately throw the most-sought after IDP out there. People will tend to overbid on them just because the amount won't seem as much at the time by comparison, and there will be at least for awhile a trickle down effect as other top IDPs prices get compared to that one. Then later in the draft when people run low on money, the IDP prices will come crashing back down to reality.On the other hand if you want the top IDPs, then I'd wait as long as possible to nominate them. I think odds are though that they get nominated when the other prices going on are likely to make them be overpaid. I don't tend to target the best IDPs in an auction, I target the 2nd tier of them. But then, you should always be flexible and willing to take a player who is going for less than you think he should.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Here's a link to our IDP dynasty startup auction that is almost over (no rookies...to be drafted later). Link You can sort by postition.
Our rules are really, really different. Only require 1 RB and 1 WR, but have 3 flex. Only 2 each of DL, LB & DB. Include a coach. Tackle heavy IDP scoring where linebackers rival top offensive positions. Yardage heavy offensive scoring with high premium on receiving yards. Also include return yards at equivalent value to rushing yards. Auction for 30 roster spots with $150.
Top offensive prices:
Brady - $34 (this was a reach after a bidding war between two Pats fans)
Peterson - $29
SJax - $29
LT - $25
Westy - $25
Wayne - $22
Top defensive prices:
Willis - $15
Harris - $15
Ryans - $14
Urlacher - $13
Terrence McGee - $13 (due to return yards) - Sean Jones went for $10
Jared Allen - $13
Don't know if this helps much or not based on our crazy setup, but its something to look at.
Our rules are really, really different. Only require 1 RB and 1 WR, but have 3 flex. Only 2 each of DL, LB & DB. Include a coach. Tackle heavy IDP scoring where linebackers rival top offensive positions. Yardage heavy offensive scoring with high premium on receiving yards. Also include return yards at equivalent value to rushing yards. Auction for 30 roster spots with $150.
Top offensive prices:
Brady - $34 (this was a reach after a bidding war between two Pats fans)
Peterson - $29
SJax - $29
LT - $25
Westy - $25
Wayne - $22
Top defensive prices:
Willis - $15
Harris - $15
Ryans - $14
Urlacher - $13
Terrence McGee - $13 (due to return yards) - Sean Jones went for $10
Jared Allen - $13
Don't know if this helps much or not based on our crazy setup, but its something to look at.
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massraider
Footballguy
I think you'll find those prices low. I would bet, assuming they get nominated early (and they will), that those players go for a lot more that that.
I'd agree with this; I suspect that the top IDPs would be about 50% higher ($60-80), with prices after about the top half of starters falling to the $2-5 range. Probably similar to TE scales in that the top 5 or so for each will be expensive, next tier+ mid-priced, and the rest will end up at low levels due to difference in opinion for folks.Earlier nomination of those in the top tier that you don't want will get $ spent, but might drive up prices for those you do want, unless they are nominated late when you can control the bidding.Good luck.
