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Average Wide Receiver Stats Based on Yearly Experience (1 Viewer)

JGalligan

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For those of you who aren't cool enough haven't been members long enough to remember, this post is essentially the follow-up to an article I did a while back in which I promised to do some wide receiver stats analysis based on experience level but never really got around to it... until now. So apologies for the massively long delay, but hey -- better late than never, yeah? Anyway, you can read the original if you'd like by clicking right here or you can just dive headlong into the mayhem and madness below straightaway. Your call, champ!

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Note: The following article was originally published, in-full, at GridironGrotto.com.

Opinions don’t vary too wildly in regards to which year a wide receiver should, on average, be expected to “break out”, the passion and vehemence in which most people back up their particular side in the argument absolutely does. Some swear by the generally held three year rule of thumb whereas others will damn near challenge you to a duel should you disagree with their two or even four year theory. I’ve personally seen things damn near end in fisticuffs over this very topic. Granted, there was much in the way of liquor being and already having been consumed, but that’s beside the point.

While I managed to attempt to offer some insight into this particular debate several years back by way of looking at the average stat lines for wideouts based on their year of experience, ultimately it was discovered there was a better way to have gone about things. As is the case most of the time whenever I try my hand at anything having to do with math whatsoever.

This alternative approach mainly dealt with not including any scrubs who barely even managed to stay in the league for a few years, much less what could be considered a long and fruitful career.

Fast forward a few years to the present day where I’ve finally gained the time and assets necessary to embark once again on this statistically based Vision Quest. Thankfully for all of us, this time I’ve got the wisdom and trial-by-error experience I’ve garnered over the past few years. As far as you know…

I initially kicked things off by compiling a list of all rookie wide receivers from the 2002 – 2005 time frame and subsequently siphoned through them to filter out a more refined list of players. Players who’d gone on to enjoy relatively fruitful careers in the time since their inaugural rookie year — in terms of longevity, at least.

While the sample size may prove to be a bit small at 20 players total, it should at least give us a good gauge in regards to whether or not it’ll be worth diving down this mathematically daunting bad boy even further.

To start things off, here’s the list of the 20 wide receivers used in the analysis (in no particular order):

Andre Johnson

Bryant Johnson

Nate Burleson

Brandon Lloyd

Larry Fitzgerald

Roy Williams

Lee Evans

Bernard Berrian

Patrick Crayton

Michael Jenkins

Jerricho Cotchery

Michael Clayton

Braylon Edwards

Roddy White

Antwaan Randle El

Deion Branch

Antonio Bryant

Javon Walker

Donte Stallworth

Jabar Gaffney

A pretty well-rounded group if I do say so myself. Certainly no motley crew by any means at the very least.

The next step in the research process involved me painstakingly inserting into an Excel spreadsheet the yearly season statistics for each player one-by-one. Suffice it to say, it certainly wasn’t the most enjoyable portion of this entire shindig, but what’s important is that it’s all finished and I can hopefully take a break from copy pasting things for a few months.

Before I calculated the collective season average for the group for each year/season of experience, I went through the list and notated the definitive “breakout” year for the player in addition to their best and worst year as a pro. Generally, if a player didn’t participate in at least eight games for that particular year, I steered clear of counting it in one of the aforementioned markers. Mainly because I figured it was safe to assume there were probably some injury issues at play there and I didn’t want their gross, tainted injury stats messing up good time.

The benchmark for a “breakout” season was set within the range of at least 35 receptions, 500 receiving yards and a minimum of two touchdowns. On average for the whole group, the second year was the most likely to hold host to one of these breakout years believe it or not. But we’ll probably need to hold off on whether or not that tells us anything of value until we decide that the aforementioned “benchmark” requirement was a reasonable one. You know, because I pretty much just pulled it out of my ### after taking a quick glance at the Top 100 receiving stat rankings in terms of yards and receptions the past few seasons.

The best season for the group on average was awarded to the fourth overall year of a prospective career, whereas the sixth season took home the title of the worst season when it was all said and done. Obviously these need to be taken with several vials of salt for a whole host of different reasons, but thankfully, we do have an exceptionally tasty group of morsels in the next batch of data that was garnered below. Seriously, they’re frigging delicious!

What exactly do these tasty group of morsels entail you’re probably asking? Well, what follows is the average stat line for each year of a theoretical wide receiver’s career. Please do enjoy and don’t read through it all too fast or you’ll just give yourself a stomach ache.

Rookie Year:

36.3 receptions for 517.3 receiving yards and 3.5 touchdowns (14.2 yards per reception, 2.5 receptions/35.2 yards per game)

Year Two:

44.1 receptions for 625.9 receiving yards and 3.9 touchdowns (14.5 yards per reception, 3.0 receptions/42.1 yards per game)

Year Three:

57.1 receptions for 795.6 receiving yards and 5.3 touchdowns (13.6 yards per reception, 3.9 receptions/53.3 yards per game)

Year Four:

56.8 receptions for 771.8 receiving yards and 3.9 touchdowns (13.4 yards per reception, 3.9 receptions/51.4 yards per game)

Year Five:

48.6 receptions for 709.6 receiving yards and 4.8 touchdowns (14.2 yards per reception, 3.3 receptions/48.3 yards per game)

Year Six:

52.2 receptions for 706.7 receiving yards and 4.6 touchdowns (13.6 yards per reception, 3.8 receptions/50.3 yards per game)

Year Seven:

40.8 receptions for 540.0 receiving yards and 3.0 touchdowns (12.9 yards per reception, 3.2 receptions/42.8 yards per game)

Year Eight:

34.8 receptions for 489.1 receiving yards and 2.6 touchdowns (14.5 yards per reception, 2.5 receptions/34.7 yards per game)

According to these averages, both Year Three and Year Four appear to be the “sweet spot” for receivers — at least in terms of both/either breaking out and/or having the best season of their respective careers. It’s interesting to note, however, the rise from 3.9 touchdowns on average in Year Two up to 5.1 in Year Three and then right back down to 3.9 again in Year Four. Start your speculation engines, boys and girls. Because there’s more than enough here to keep us going for like… I don’t even know but it’s certainly a long time!

As if all this wasn’t already enough, I’m actually planning on sorting the wideouts used in this particular analysis into groups based on the type of wide receiver they are/were. A la, WR1, slot, deep threat, etc. etc.

As always, if you have any ideas, advice or suggestions on how to make this data analysis any better or more fit for human consumption, please don’t hesitate to throw it out there. Because it will be snatched up and utilized with much appreciation.

 
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IMO, things can change quickly when players switch teams, get new QBs, have new offensive coordinators, etc. That could greatly impact how well a player performed and at what points in their careers . . .

 
IMO, things can change quickly when players switch teams, get new QBs, have new offensive coordinators, etc. That could greatly impact how well a player performed and at what points in their careers . . .
Of course. But it's not really meant to be used as a gauge for accurate stat predictions for the average however-many-years-experienced wide receiver as much as it is to try and hunt down and sniff out potential trends or patterns wherever they may be hiding. Scooby Doo style.Which actually reminds me, I should probably post the Excel data of the entire project to help with the sleuthing. Hopefully importing spreadsheet data's become easier than it was back in the day. :football:
 
I wonder if part of the rise in Year 3 numbers is maturation from WR2 to the team WR1 role.

Usually it takes their rookie year to get acclimated to the game. Year 2 generally is when they start getting more looks/more trust from the QB and entrench themselves into a starting role. Years 3 & 4 seem to be when they "replace" the veteran #1 opposite them or the #1 leaves in FA.

Quickie example...

Hines Ward

- Year 1: Starters are Charles Johnson and Courtney Hawkins

- Year 2: Ties Troy Edwards in terms of catches. Courtney Hawkins gets 30 catches in 11 starts.

- Year 3: Leads the team with 48 catches, just 8 catches more than Bobby Shaw.

- Year 4: "Breaks Out" with 94 catches and tops 1,000 yards as undisputed starter.

Yet by Year 2 it's evident that Hines was making a big role for himself and Year 3 is where he was essentially a WR1 for the Steelers.

 
Here we go:


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Andre Johnson												Brk Key:
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			35 rec
Rookie	22	16	16	66.0	976.0	14.8	4.0	4.1	61.0	Brk		500 yards
Year 2	23	16	16	79.0	1142.0	14.5	6.0	4.9	71.4			2 TD's
Year 3	24	13	13	63.0	688.0	10.9	2.0	4.8	52.9	Low		
Year 4	25	16	16	103.0	1147.0	11.1	5.0	6.4	71.7			Legend Key:
Year 5	26	9	9	60.0	851.0	14.2	8.0	6.7	94.6	Inj		High - Best season
Year 6	27	16	16	115.0	1575.0	13.7	8.0	7.2	98.4			Low - Worst season
Year 7	28	16	16	101.0	1569.0	15.5	9.0	6.3	98.1	High		Inj - Presumably injured
Year 8	29	13	13	86.0	1216.0	14.1	8.0	6.6	93.5			Brk - Breakout year
Year 9	30	7	7	33.0	492.0	14.9	2.0	4.7	70.3	Inj		


Bryant Johnson												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	15	8	35.0	438.0	12.5	1.0	2.3	29.2			
Year 2	23	16	11	49.0	537.0	11.0	1.0	3.1	33.6			
Year 3	24	14	4	40.0	432.0	10.8	1.0	2.9	30.9			
Year 4	25	16	8	40.0	740.0	18.5	4.0	2.5	46.3	Brk / High		
Year 5	26	16	8	46.0	528.0	11.5	2.0	2.9	33.0			
Year 6	27	16	12	45.0	546.0	12.1	3.0	2.8	34.1			
Year 7	28	16	16	35.0	417.0	11.9	3.0	2.2	26.1	Low		
Year 8	29	14	7	18.0	210.0	11.7	0.0	1.3	15.0			
Year 9	30	15	0	6.0	90.0	15.0	1.0	0.4	6.0			


Nate Burleson												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	16	9	29.0	455.0	15.7	2.0	1.8	28.4			
Year 2	23	16	15	68.0	1006.0	14.8	9.0	4.3	62.9	Brk / High		
Year 3	24	12	9	30.0	328.0	10.9	1.0	2.5	27.3			
Year 4	25	16	7	18.0	192.0	10.7	2.0	1.1	12.0	Low		
Year 5	26	16	12	50.0	694.0	13.9	9.0	3.1	43.4			
Year 6	27	1	1	5.0	60.0	12.0	1.0	5.0	60.0	Inj		
Year 7	28	13	12	63.0	812.0	12.9	3.0	4.8	62.5			
Year 8	29	14	14	55.0	625.0	11.4	6.0	3.9	44.6			
Year 9	30	16	11	73.0	757.0	10.4	3.0	4.6	47.3			


Brandon Lloyd												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	16	1	14.0	212.0	15.1	2.0	0.9	13.3			
Year 2	23	13	13	43.0	565.0	13.1	6.0	3.3	43.5	Brk		
Year 3	24	16	15	48.0	733.0	15.3	5.0	3.0	45.8			
Year 4	25	15	12	23.0	365.0	15.9	0.0	1.5	24.3	Low		
Year 5	26	8	1	2.0	14.0	7.0	0.0	0.3	1.8	Inj		
Year 6	27	11	5	26.0	364.0	14.0	2.0	2.4	33.1			
Year 7	28	2	1	8.0	117.0	14.6	0.0	4.0	58.5	Inj		
Year 8	29	16	11	77.0	1448.0	18.8	11.0	4.8	90.5	High		
Year 9	30	15	15	70.0	966.0	13.8	5.0	4.7	64.4			


Larry Fitzgerald												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	21	16	16	58.0	780.0	13.4	8.0	3.6	48.8	Brk		
Year 2	22	16	16	103.0	1409.0	13.7	10.0	6.4	88.1			
Year 3	23	13	13	69.0	946.0	13.7	6.0	5.3	72.8	Low		
Year 4	24	15	15	100.0	1409.0	14.1	10.0	6.7	93.9			
Year 5	25	16	16	96.0	1431.0	14.9	12.0	6.0	89.4	High		
Year 6	26	16	16	97.0	1092.0	11.3	13.0	6.1	68.3			
Year 7	27	16	15	90.0	1137.0	12.6	6.0	5.6	71.1			
Year 8	28	16	16	80.0	1411.0	17.6	8.0	5.0	88.2			


Roy Williams												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	23	14	12	54.0	817.0	15.1	8.0	3.9	58.4	Brk		
Year 2	24	13	12	45.0	687.0	15.3	8.0	3.5	52.8			
Year 3	25	16	16	82.0	1310.0	16.0	7.0	5.1	81.9	High 		
Year 4	26	12	12	64.0	838.0	13.1	5.0	5.3	69.8			
Year 5	27	15	11	36.0	430.0	11.9	2.0	2.4	28.7	Low		
Year 6	28	15	13	38.0	596.0	15.7	7.0	2.5	39.7			
Year 7	29	15	9	37.0	530.0	14.3	5.0	2.5	35.3			
Year 8	30	15	9	37.0	507.0	13.7	2.0	2.5	33.8			


Lee Evans												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	23	16	11	48.0	843.0	17.6	9.0	3.0	52.7	Brk		
Year 2	24	16	15	48.0	743.0	15.5	7.0	3.0	46.4			
Year 3	25	16	15	82.0	1292.0	15.8	8.0	5.1	80.8	High		
Year 4	26	16	16	55.0	849.0	15.4	5.0	3.4	53.1			
Year 5	27	16	16	63.0	1017.0	16.1	3.0	3.9	63.6			
Year 6	28	16	16	44.0	612.0	13.9	7.0	2.8	38.3			
Year 7	29	13	13	37.0	578.0	15.6	4.0	2.8	44.5	Low		
Year 8	30	9	3	4.0	74.0	18.5	0.0	0.4	8.2	Inj		


Bernard Berrian												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	24	16	1	15.0	225.0	15.0	2.0	0.9	14.1			
Year 2	25	11	2	13.0	246.0	18.9	0.0	1.2	22.4	Low		
Year 3	26	15	14	51.0	775.0	15.2	6.0	3.4	51.7	Brk		
Year 4	27	16	15	71.0	951.0	13.4	5.0	4.4	59.4			
Year 5	28	16	13	48.0	964.0	20.1	7.0	3.0	60.3	High		
Year 6	29	16	15	55.0	618.0	11.2	4.0	3.4	38.6			
Year 7	30	14	9	28.0	252.0	9.0	0.0	2.0	18.0			
Year 8	31	5	1	7.0	91.0	13.0	0.0	1.4	18.2	Inj		


Patrick Crayton												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	25	8	0	12.0	162.0	13.5	1.0	1.5	20.3			
Year 2	26	11	0	22.0	341.0	15.5	2.0	2.0	31.0	Low		
Year 3	27	16	6	36.0	516.0	14.3	4.0	2.3	32.3	Brk		
Year 4	28	15	13	50.0	697.0	13.9	7.0	3.3	46.5	High		
Year 5	29	16	7	39.0	550.0	14.1	4.0	2.4	34.4			
Year 6	30	16	6	37.0	622.0	16.8	5.0	2.3	38.9			
Year 7	31	9	2	28.0	514.0	18.4	1.0	3.1	57.1	Inj		
Year 8	32	14	1	23.0	248.0	10.8	1.0	1.6	17.7			


Michael Jenkins												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	16	0	7.0	119.0	17.0	0.0	0.4	7.4			
Year 2	23	14	12	36.0	508.0	14.1	3.0	2.6	36.3	Brk		
Year 3	24	16	16	39.0	436.0	11.2	7.0	2.4	27.3			
Year 4	25	15	6	53.0	532.0	10.0	4.0	3.5	35.5	High		
Year 5	26	16	12	50.0	777.0	15.5	3.0	3.1	48.6			
Year 6	27	15	9	50.0	635.0	12.7	1.0	3.3	42.3			
Year 7	28	11	9	41.0	505.0	12.3	2.0	3.7	45.9	Low		
Year 8	29	11	7	38.0	466.0	12.3	3.0	3.5	42.4			


Jerricho Cotchery												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	12	0	6.0	60.0	10.0	0.0	0.5	5.0			
Year 2	23	16	1	19.0	251.0	13.2	0.0	1.2	15.7	Low		
Year 3	24	16	16	82.0	961.0	11.7	6.0	5.1	60.1	Brk		
Year 4	25	15	15	82.0	1130.0	13.8	2.0	5.5	75.3	High		
Year 5	26	16	16	71.0	858.0	12.1	5.0	4.4	53.6			
Year 6	27	14	12	57.0	821.0	14.4	3.0	4.1	58.6			
Year 7	28	14	5	41.0	433.0	10.6	2.0	2.9	30.9			
Year 8	29	13	0	16.0	237.0	14.8	2.0	1.2	18.2			


Michael Clayton												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	16	13	80.0	1193.0	14.9	7.0	5.0	74.6	Brk / High		
Year 2	23	14	10	32.0	372.0	11.6	0.0	2.3	26.6			
Year 3	24	12	9	33.0	356.0	10.8	1.0	2.8	29.7			
Year 4	25	14	4	22.0	301.0	13.7	0.0	1.6	21.5			
Year 5	26	15	9	38.0	484.0	12.7	1.0	2.5	32.3			
Year 6	27	13	11	16.0	230.0	14.4	1.0	1.2	17.7	Low		
Year 7	28	6	0	2.0	19.0	9.5	0.0	0.3	3.2	Inj		
Year 8	29	5	0	0.0	0.0		0.0	0.0	0.0			


Braylon Edwards												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	10	7	32.0	512.0	16.0	3.0	3.2	51.2			
Year 2	23	16	15	61.0	884.0	14.5	6.0	3.8	55.3	Brk		
Year 3	24	16	16	80.0	1289.0	16.1	16.0	5.0	80.6	High		
Year 4	25	16	16	55.0	873.0	15.9	3.0	3.4	54.6			
Year 5	26	16	15	45.0	680.0	15.1	4.0	2.8	42.5	Low		
Year 6	27	16	15	53.0	904.0	17.1	7.0	3.3	56.5			
Year 7	28	9	5	15.0	181.0	12.1	0.0	1.7	20.1	Inj		


Roddy White												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	24	16	8	29.0	446.0	15.4	3.0	1.8	27.9			
Year 2	25	16	5	30.0	506.0	16.9	0.0	1.9	31.6	Low		
Year 3	26	16	15	83.0	1202.0	14.5	6.0	5.2	75.1	Brk		
Year 4	27	16	15	88.0	1382.0	15.7	7.0	5.5	86.4			
Year 5	28	16	16	85.0	1153.0	13.6	11.0	5.3	72.1			
Year 6	29	16	16	115.0	1389.0	12.1	10.0	7.2	86.8	High		
Year 7	30	16	16	100.0	1296.0	13.0	8.0	6.3	81.0			


Antwaan Randle El												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	23	16	0	47.0	489.0	10.4	2.0	2.9	30.6			
Year 2	24	16	1	37.0	364.0	9.8	1.0	2.3	22.8	Low		
Year 3	25	16	7	43.0	601.0	14.0	3.0	2.7	37.6	Brk		
Year 4	26	16	15	35.0	558.0	15.9	1.0	2.2	34.9			
Year 5	27	16	16	32.0	351.0	11.0	3.0	2.0	21.9			
Year 6	28	15	13	51.0	728.0	14.3	1.0	3.4	48.5	High		
Year 7	29	16	16	53.0	593.0	11.2	4.0	3.3	37.1			
Year 8	30	16	3	50.0	530.0	10.6	0.0	3.1	33.1			
Year 9	31	16	0	22.0	253.0	11.5	0.0	1.4	15.8			


Deion Branch												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	23	13	7	43.0	489.0	11.4	2.0	3.3	37.6			
Year 2	24	15	12	57.0	803.0	14.1	3.0	3.8	53.5	Brk		
Year 3	25	9	9	35.0	454.0	13.0	4.0	3.9	50.4	Inj		
Year 4	26	16	15	78.0	998.0	12.8	5.0	4.9	62.4	High		
Year 5	27	14	13	53.0	725.0	13.7	4.0	3.8	51.8			
Year 6	28	11	11	49.0	661.0	13.5	4.0	4.5	60.1			
Year 7	29	8	8	30.0	412.0	13.7	4.0	3.8	51.5	Inj		
Year 8	30	14	5	45.0	437.0	9.7	2.0	3.2	31.2	Low		
Year 9	31	15	12	61.0	818.0	13.4	6.0	4.1	54.5			
Year 10	32	15	15	51.0	702.0	13.8	5.0	3.4	46.8			


Antonio Bryant												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	21	16	15	44.0	733.0	16.7	6.0	2.8	45.8	Brk		
Year 2	22	16	5	39.0	550.0	14.1	2.0	2.4	34.4	Low		
Year 3	23	15	8	58.0	812.0	14.0	4.0	3.9	54.1			
Year 4	24	16	15	69.0	1009.0	14.6	4.0	4.3	63.1			
Year 5	25	14	13	40.0	733.0	18.3	3.0	2.9	52.4			
Year 6	27	16	15	83.0	1248.0	15.0	7.0	5.2	78.0	High		
Year 7	28	13	11	39.0	600.0	15.4	4.0	3.0	46.2			


Javon Walker												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	24	15	2	23.0	319.0	13.9	1.0	1.5	21.3	Low		
Year 2	25	16	3	41.0	716.0	17.5	9.0	2.6	44.8	Brk		
Year 3	26	16	12	89.0	1382.0	15.5	12.0	5.6	86.4	High		
Year 4	27	1	1	4.0	27.0	6.8	0.0	4.0	27.0	Inj		
Year 5	28	16	16	69.0	1084.0	15.7	8.0	4.3	67.8			
Year 6	29	8	5	26.0	287.0	11.0	0.0	3.3	35.9	Inj		
Year 7	30	8	7	15.0	196.0	13.1	1.0	1.9	24.5	Inj		
Year 8	31	3	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0			


Donte Stallworth												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	13	7	42.0	594.0	14.1	8.0	3.2	45.7	Brk		
Year 2	23	11	3	25.0	485.0	19.4	3.0	2.3	44.1			
Year 3	24	16	10	58.0	767.0	13.2	5.0	3.6	47.9			
Year 4	25	16	13	70.0	945.0	13.5	7.0	4.4	59.1	High		
Year 5	26	12	11	38.0	725.0	19.1	5.0	3.2	60.4			
Year 6	27	16	9	46.0	697.0	15.2	3.0	2.9	43.6			
Year 7	28	11	7	17.0	170.0	10.0	1.0	1.5	15.5	Low		
Year 8	30	8	0	2.0	82.0	41.0	0.0	0.3	10.3	Inj		
Year 9	31	11	0	22.0	309.0	14.0	2.0	2.0	28.1			


Jabar Gaffney												
	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	22	16	14	41.0	483.0	11.8	1.0	2.6	30.2			
Year 2	23	16	11	34.0	402.0	11.8	2.0	2.1	25.1			
Year 3	24	16	12	41.0	632.0	15.4	2.0	2.6	39.5	Brk / High		
Year 4	25	16	13	55.0	492.0	8.9	2.0	3.4	30.8			
Year 5	26	11	6	11.0	142.0	12.9	1.0	1.0	12.9	Low		
Year 6	27	16	7	36.0	449.0	12.5	5.0	2.3	28.1			
Year 7	28	16	7	38.0	468.0	12.3	2.0	2.4	29.3			
Year 8	29	16	7	54.0	732.0	13.6	2.0	3.4	45.8			
Year 9	30	16	11	65.0	875.0	13.5	2.0	4.1	54.7			
Year 10	31	16	16	68.0	947.0	13.9	5.0	4.3	59.2			


Averages	Age	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	R/G	Y/G			
Rookie	23	15	7	36.3	517.3	14.2	3.5	2.5	35.2			
Year 2	24	15	9	44.1	625.9	14.5	3.9	3.0	42.1			
Year 3	25	15	12	57.1	795.6	13.6	5.3	3.9	53.3			
Year 4	26	15	12	56.8	771.8	13.4	3.9	3.9	51.4			
Year 5	27	15	12	48.6	709.6	14.2	4.8	3.3	48.3			
Year 6	28	14	11	52.2	706.7	13.6	4.6	3.8	50.3			
Year 7	29	12	9	40.9	540.0	12.9	3.0	3.2	42.8			
Year 8	30	12	6	34.8	489.1	14.5	2.6	2.5	34.7			
Year 9	30	14	7	44.0	570.0	13.3	2.6	3.3	42.6
 
I wonder if part of the rise in Year 3 numbers is maturation from WR2 to the team WR1 role.Usually it takes their rookie year to get acclimated to the game. Year 2 generally is when they start getting more looks/more trust from the QB and entrench themselves into a starting role. Years 3 & 4 seem to be when they "replace" the veteran #1 opposite them or the #1 leaves in FA.Quickie example...Hines Ward- Year 1: Starters are Charles Johnson and Courtney Hawkins- Year 2: Ties Troy Edwards in terms of catches. Courtney Hawkins gets 30 catches in 11 starts.- Year 3: Leads the team with 48 catches, just 8 catches more than Bobby Shaw.- Year 4: "Breaks Out" with 94 catches and tops 1,000 yards as undisputed starter.Yet by Year 2 it's evident that Hines was making a big role for himself and Year 3 is where he was essentially a WR1 for the Steelers.
Exactly. Stuff like this that's obviously not going to apply to everyone but in general is something that happens more than we might think. Yeah, this whole thing is mostly numbers. But if we're going to garner anything useful from it we have to supplement it with a bit of indirect, non-statistical information and then try and make some educated guesses from there.Like, for instance, what you just did. :goodposting:
 
How can people conclude much when . . .

Andre Johnson - 1 team

Bryant Johnson - 4 teams

Nate Burleson - 3 teams

Brandon Lloyd - 5 teams

Larry Fitzgerald - 1 team

Roy Williams - 3 teams

Lee Evans - 2 teams

Bernard Berrian - 2 teams

Patrick Crayton - 2 teams

Michael Jenkins - 2 teams

Jerricho Cotchery - 2 teams

Michael Clayton - 2 teams

Braylon Edwards - 3 teams

Roddy White - 1 team

Antwaan Randle El - 3 teams

Deion Branch - 3 teams

Antonio Bryant - 4 teams

Javon Walker - 3 teams

Donte Stallworth - 6 teams

Jabar Gaffney - 4 teams

IMO, There are SO MANY OTHER FACTORS that play into this above and beyond years in the league that the exercise itself lends itself to not proving a whole lot.

If you wanted a cleaner result, I would suggest picking players in the same data set, ie 20 WR that stayed on one team (if that's possible) to make better conclusions.

Just looking at the list above, every single receiver on the list has played with multiple QBs and with various coordinators and schemes. I always encourage people to research things and poke around to find some trends, but in this case I think we are looking at a set of numbers and LOOKING for a conclusion. I am not sure we can conclude much of anything.

I think things would flow pretty easy (as addressed by someone else above). If players were starters (whether it be in Year One or Year Six), they will put up better numbers than if they were buried on the depth chart. Guys that play get the ball. Guys that don't won't.

 
How can people conclude much when . . .Andre Johnson - 1 teamBryant Johnson - 4 teamsNate Burleson - 3 teamsBrandon Lloyd - 5 teamsLarry Fitzgerald - 1 teamRoy Williams - 3 teamsLee Evans - 2 teamsBernard Berrian - 2 teamsPatrick Crayton - 2 teamsMichael Jenkins - 2 teamsJerricho Cotchery - 2 teamsMichael Clayton - 2 teamsBraylon Edwards - 3 teamsRoddy White - 1 teamAntwaan Randle El - 3 teamsDeion Branch - 3 teamsAntonio Bryant - 4 teamsJavon Walker - 3 teamsDonte Stallworth - 6 teamsJabar Gaffney - 4 teamsIMO, There are SO MANY OTHER FACTORS that play into this above and beyond years in the league that the exercise itself lends itself to not proving a whole lot.If you wanted a cleaner result, I would suggest picking players in the same data set, ie 20 WR that stayed on one team (if that's possible) to make better conclusions.Just looking at the list above, every single receiver on the list has played with multiple QBs and with various coordinators and schemes. I always encourage people to research things and poke around to find some trends, but in this case I think we are looking at a set of numbers and LOOKING for a conclusion. I am not sure we can conclude much of anything.I think things would flow pretty easy (as addressed by someone else above). If players were starters (whether it be in Year One or Year Six), they will put up better numbers than if they were buried on the depth chart. Guys that play get the ball. Guys that don't won't.
David makes a good point. Nonetheless, this basically tells me what I thought I knew: years 3,4,5,6 are the plateau for WR production in general.What I would like to see is the drop off point for stud WRs. If you select only WRs who have at least TWO years as a top 10 fantasy Wr, how long do they continue to post at least WR3 (top 36) production? I would like to see that. I suspect it is up to year 12 (age 33), but it would be nice to confirm with data.
 
How can people conclude much when . . .Andre Johnson - 1 teamBryant Johnson - 4 teamsNate Burleson - 3 teamsBrandon Lloyd - 5 teamsLarry Fitzgerald - 1 teamRoy Williams - 3 teamsLee Evans - 2 teamsBernard Berrian - 2 teamsPatrick Crayton - 2 teamsMichael Jenkins - 2 teamsJerricho Cotchery - 2 teamsMichael Clayton - 2 teamsBraylon Edwards - 3 teamsRoddy White - 1 teamAntwaan Randle El - 3 teamsDeion Branch - 3 teamsAntonio Bryant - 4 teamsJavon Walker - 3 teamsDonte Stallworth - 6 teamsJabar Gaffney - 4 teamsIMO, There are SO MANY OTHER FACTORS that play into this above and beyond years in the league that the exercise itself lends itself to not proving a whole lot.If you wanted a cleaner result, I would suggest picking players in the same data set, ie 20 WR that stayed on one team (if that's possible) to make better conclusions.Just looking at the list above, every single receiver on the list has played with multiple QBs and with various coordinators and schemes. I always encourage people to research things and poke around to find some trends, but in this case I think we are looking at a set of numbers and LOOKING for a conclusion. I am not sure we can conclude much of anything.I think things would flow pretty easy (as addressed by someone else above). If players were starters (whether it be in Year One or Year Six), they will put up better numbers than if they were buried on the depth chart. Guys that play get the ball. Guys that don't won't.
Yeah, I see what you're saying (and also thank you for the advice!). I'll start looking to see how many similar players (at least in longevity terms) I can scrounge up that all played with one team. Hopefully it's possible. :P
 
How can people conclude much when . . .Andre Johnson - 1 teamBryant Johnson - 4 teamsNate Burleson - 3 teamsBrandon Lloyd - 5 teamsLarry Fitzgerald - 1 teamRoy Williams - 3 teamsLee Evans - 2 teamsBernard Berrian - 2 teamsPatrick Crayton - 2 teamsMichael Jenkins - 2 teamsJerricho Cotchery - 2 teamsMichael Clayton - 2 teamsBraylon Edwards - 3 teamsRoddy White - 1 teamAntwaan Randle El - 3 teamsDeion Branch - 3 teamsAntonio Bryant - 4 teamsJavon Walker - 3 teamsDonte Stallworth - 6 teamsJabar Gaffney - 4 teamsIMO, There are SO MANY OTHER FACTORS that play into this above and beyond years in the league that the exercise itself lends itself to not proving a whole lot.If you wanted a cleaner result, I would suggest picking players in the same data set, ie 20 WR that stayed on one team (if that's possible) to make better conclusions.Just looking at the list above, every single receiver on the list has played with multiple QBs and with various coordinators and schemes. I always encourage people to research things and poke around to find some trends, but in this case I think we are looking at a set of numbers and LOOKING for a conclusion. I am not sure we can conclude much of anything.I think things would flow pretty easy (as addressed by someone else above). If players were starters (whether it be in Year One or Year Six), they will put up better numbers than if they were buried on the depth chart. Guys that play get the ball. Guys that don't won't.
David makes a good point. Nonetheless, this basically tells me what I thought I knew: years 3,4,5,6 are the plateau for WR production in general.What I would like to see is the drop off point for stud WRs. If you select only WRs who have at least TWO years as a top 10 fantasy Wr, how long do they continue to post at least WR3 (top 36) production? I would like to see that. I suspect it is up to year 12 (age 33), but it would be nice to confirm with data.
If I can't dig up enough one-team players for the next phase of this original shindig, I'll make this my next project. :thumbup:
 
'az_prof said:
'David Yudkin said:
How can people conclude much when . . .

Andre Johnson - 1 team

Bryant Johnson - 4 teams

Nate Burleson - 3 teams

Brandon Lloyd - 5 teams

Larry Fitzgerald - 1 team

Roy Williams - 3 teams

Lee Evans - 2 teams

Bernard Berrian - 2 teams

Patrick Crayton - 2 teams

Michael Jenkins - 2 teams

Jerricho Cotchery - 2 teams

Michael Clayton - 2 teams

Braylon Edwards - 3 teams

Roddy White - 1 team

Antwaan Randle El - 3 teams

Deion Branch - 3 teams

Antonio Bryant - 4 teams

Javon Walker - 3 teams

Donte Stallworth - 6 teams

Jabar Gaffney - 4 teams

IMO, There are SO MANY OTHER FACTORS that play into this above and beyond years in the league that the exercise itself lends itself to not proving a whole lot.

If you wanted a cleaner result, I would suggest picking players in the same data set, ie 20 WR that stayed on one team (if that's possible) to make better conclusions.

Just looking at the list above, every single receiver on the list has played with multiple QBs and with various coordinators and schemes. I always encourage people to research things and poke around to find some trends, but in this case I think we are looking at a set of numbers and LOOKING for a conclusion. I am not sure we can conclude much of anything.

I think things would flow pretty easy (as addressed by someone else above). If players were starters (whether it be in Year One or Year Six), they will put up better numbers than if they were buried on the depth chart. Guys that play get the ball. Guys that don't won't.
David makes a good point. Nonetheless, this basically tells me what I thought I knew: years 3,4,5,6 are the plateau for WR production in general.What I would like to see is the drop off point for stud WRs. If you select only WRs who have at least TWO years as a top 10 fantasy Wr, how long do they continue to post at least WR3 (top 36) production? I would like to see that. I suspect it is up to year 12 (age 33), but it would be nice to confirm with data.
I have a data set where I can look at that: all WRs who entered the NFL from 1983-2002, who had at least one 40+ VBD season (according to PFR, which is roughly the cutoff for a fantasy WR1). That's 84 players, with just a few still active. I did a few other analyses in this post, and I can do the one that you're asking for now.

I'll take WR1 to mean 40+ VBD, and fantasy starter is defined as scoring more than WR30 (that's the closest I can do, since that's the baseline that PFR uses, and all I have is VBD for each year).

There were 10 WRs who had a WR1 season at age 25 and had at least 1 prior WR1 season; on average their last season as a fantasy starter came 6.1 years later (at age 31.1). That ranges from Carl Pickens, whose last fantasy starter season was at age 28, to Jerry Rice, who was a fantasy starter at age 40. Here's that information in chart format, for ages 25-34:

age last starter n25 31.1 1026 30.7 1627 31.7 2328 31.9 2529 32.5 2330 33.5 1531 33.8 1832 34.0 933 35.4 834 36.0 7For younger or older WRs the sample size is too small to be reliable (4 or less for each year).

So young stud WRs can be expected to last until about age 31, on average. And if they stay studly as they get older, then you can expect them to stick around until later than that.

 
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