Backtracking on Lloyd has already begun (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

 

[shadyridr]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

no he wasnt

 

[Clifford]

Sure as hell was on the Audible.

 

[JuniorNB]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

Never saw Lloyd any where near top ten. 15-18 range.

 

[Grahamburn]

Leading the Patriots in targets is a good place for a fantasy WR to be. Relax a bit, maybe?

 

[shadyridr]

Sure as hell was on the Audible.

His ADP was the 5th round behind:CalvinFitzJulioRoddyGreenWelkerMarshallAJJenningsCruzNicksHarvinNelsonBryantColstonBrownWallaceTaking him well outside the top 10 and more like a mid tier WR2

 

[Ned Ryerson]

FBG staff consensus has him at WR24. I'd say his performance has been fine for that ranking.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

no he wasnt

Clifford must be smoking the good stuff this morning. His ADP was wr 21. ESPN had him 17. FFtoday didn't even have him in their top 30. FBG's had him #24. If you aggregate all the expert rankings using fantasy pros, he was ranked #19 wr.

He was regularly touted as a sleeper pick for top 10. Is that what you mean by "universally agreed upon as a WR1"?

And even if he *was* touted as a #1 universally (he wasn't), the guy is the 7th most targeted wr in football. Yes, the points haven't been there thanks to Brady/Lloyd's timing being slightly off. But if he keeps getting passes thrown his way he's going to start putting up much bigger numbers.

 

[That Green Gentleman]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

no he wasnt

Clifford must be smoking the good stuff this morning. His ADP was wr 21. ESPN had him 17. FFtoday didn't even have him in their top 30. FBG's had him #24. If you aggregate all the expert rankings using fantasy pros, he was ranked #19 wr.

He was regularly touted as a sleeper pick for top 10. Is that what you mean by "universally agreed upon as a WR1"?

And even if he *was* touted as a #1 universally (he wasn't), the guy is the 7th most targeted wr in football. Yes, the points haven't been there thanks to Brady/Lloyd's timing being slightly off. But if he keeps getting passes thrown his way he's going to start putting up much bigger numbers.

Yup he was drafted where he was with the upside of being top 10

 

[Quibbler]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.But if you want to get rid of him, I'm sure you'll have no trouble trading him. He leads the Patriots in targets, gets deep downfield looks, and his just came off a very tough matchup with the Zona secondary, where he still put up decent WR2 numbers.

 

[Peter Lemonjello]

So you're looking to blame someone else for your incompetence?

 

[12punch]

I'll take him off your hands.

what do you want?

 

[MAC_32]

If he was in my preseason top 25, it was barely. I'm trying to buy low now.

 

[FF Ninja]

This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe just lock this thread and move along?

 

[jcaleo]

Who's backing off? I'm speeding up! After 2 weeks 6 in the league in targets 8 in week one and 13 in weeks 2. He had P Peterson on him all day last week and still managed 8 catches for 69 yds. Once he and Brady get on Sync, hopefully this week those long misses will start cashing in.

Not sure if you missed it, but he was wide open in both week 1 and 2 for long TD's and they were both off a sync a little. If those were completed, which they will his numbers would closer to...

Week 1 6 - 110 - 1 TD

Week 2 9 - 95 - 1 TD

You then would have changed your post title to Brandon Llyod Hype Train...glad I drafted this bum by accident!

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Eh, certainly a slow start. At least he's involved and starting for them. I've benched him in the one league I own him. I think it's a good time to buy low. Hernandez being hurt. Welker not being involved as much. The numbers will happen for Lloyd.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.

FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Besides, he is on pace for 104 catches and 1,032 yards. And he has gotten 21 targets thus far, so how can anyone be unhappy thus far?

Okay, he hasn't scored yet, but it has only been two weeks. Jordy Nelson and Calvin Johnson haven't scored yet either, and both went a lot higher in drafts and for a lot more in auctions than Lloyd. Be patient.

 

[Clifford]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

no he wasnt

Clifford must be smoking the good stuff this morning. His ADP was wr 21. ESPN had him 17. FFtoday didn't even have him in their top 30. FBG's had him #24. If you aggregate all the expert rankings using fantasy pros, he was ranked #19 wr.

He was regularly touted as a sleeper pick for top 10. Is that what you mean by "universally agreed upon as a WR1"?

And even if he *was* touted as a #1 universally (he wasn't), the guy is the 7th most targeted wr in football. Yes, the points haven't been there thanks to Brady/Lloyd's timing being slightly off. But if he keeps getting passes thrown his way he's going to start putting up much bigger numbers.

I just hope there are still people in my league who believe this when he finally does. And I am not talking about ADP. I'm talking about the staff claiming he was a WR1 that could be had at Wr2-3 ADP two weeks ago, and now he is called a WR2 or flex.Jeez, doesn't take much to ruffle the feathers of the faithful around here.

 

[roman316]

This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe just lock this thread and move along?

agree

 

[Clifford]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

I don't subscribe so yeah my perception is skewed by those guys. Drafting him over Bowe was a mistake. I was debating between Bowe and Bryant in my head and the clock ran out and I thought I had Bowe que'd but it was on Lloyd.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

I don't subscribe so yeah my perception is skewed by those guys. Drafting him over Bowe was a mistake. I was debating between Bowe and Bryant in my head and the clock ran out and I thought I had Bowe que'd but it was on Lloyd.

Well, Lloyd was a better pick than Bryant would have been. So, there's that.

 

[ponchsox]

The Patriots have yet to have a big passing game. His numbers will come in bunches.

 

[BassNBrew]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

I don't subscribe so yeah my perception is skewed by those guys. Drafting him over Bowe was a mistake. I was debating between Bowe and Bryant in my head and the clock ran out and I thought I had Bowe que'd but it was on Lloyd.

Hmmm...sounds like you need to buy a subscription so you're not that guy holding up the draft not knowing who to pick.

 

[Modog814]

This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe just lock this thread and move along?

agree

I don't think this is fair. A couple FBG's were pimping Lloyd pretty hard, especially in making a case for a draft strategy that targeted RBs, QBs and TEs early. I think those that bought into this, can be disappointed when they thought they were getting something (a WR1) and haven't gotten it yet. I think its too early to tell how things will turn out, and there certainly, as many have pointed out, can be made a case for Lloyd turning into that WR1. But as of now, you've basically got what you paid for with him (plus some optimism for future returns). If you drafted Lloyd as your #3, you're probably satisfied with the results. If you drafted him as a #1 or 2, you're probably somewhat disappointed to varying degrees.

 

[Judge Smails]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

I don't subscribe so yeah my perception is skewed by those guys. Drafting him over Bowe was a mistake. I was debating between Bowe and Bryant in my head and the clock ran out and I thought I had Bowe que'd but it was on Lloyd.

Hmmm...sounds like you need to buy a subscription so you're not that guy holding up the draft not knowing who to pick.

With Gronk and Hernandez + Welker nobody in their right mind had Lloyd as a week in and week out WR1. At least not top tier.

 

[Warrior]

Nobody said he was a top 10 WR. That's just a blatant lie. Man up...admit that you didn't do any of your own research, mis-understood someone who said he would be a WR1 and drafted him yourself, and that now you're overreacting based on TWO WEEKS of production.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Nobody said he was a top 10 WR. That's just a blatant lie.

ummm: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=redraft&howrecent=300Waldman had him WR4

Bloom had him WR7

Bramel had him WR9

Henry had him WR11

That's a ton of love from the Audible crew. Despite these high rankings, his average and median ranking among FBG Staff was WR23 though.

Dodds had him WR30

Tremblay had him WR25

Wood had him WR27

So, 3 of the 4 people doing FBG projections basically had him as a WR3 in 12-team leagues.

Still really early though. Lots of players out there have been a disappointment through 2 weeks.

 

[nyy45]

So you're looking to blame someone else for your incompetence?

 

[Clifford]

I recall Bloom and Waldman being way higher on him than nearly everybody else at FBG. That's not universal agreement. That's two guys on the Audible who you probably listened to a lot.FBG projections and rankings had him much closer to WR30 than in the top-10, IIRC. If you got him in the 5th, you weren't expecting WR1 numbers but no clue why you passed on Bowe there. That's on you.

I don't subscribe so yeah my perception is skewed by those guys. Drafting him over Bowe was a mistake. I was debating between Bowe and Bryant in my head and the clock ran out and I thought I had Bowe que'd but it was on Lloyd.

Hmmm...sounds like you need to buy a subscription so you're not that guy holding up the draft not knowing who to pick.

It was like the one pick where I waffled. I cursed the pick as soon as it was made. The grumbling wasn't too bad as it was a minute-and-half clock.

 

[MAC_32]

Offers sent

Tamme, Collie, and Avery for Lloyd

Chris Johnson and Amendola for Lloyd and Charles

Welker for Lloyd and Britt

 

[Clifford]

Nobody said he was a top 10 WR. That's just a blatant lie. Man up...admit that you didn't do any of your own research, mis-understood someone who said he would be a WR1 and drafted him yourself, and that now you're overreacting based on TWO WEEKS of production.

I think you need to scale back on your Roids dude. #1, I did not mean to pick him. #2, even a FBG staffer shows that he was ranked in the top 10 by some staffers. Obviously "universally" was poor word choice on my part. MY BAD. But seriously this "man up" crap has got to stop. I am not blaming FBG for me mistakenly letting the clock run out and accidentally drafting Lloyd. I was merely doing a little ribbing saying the tune had changed on this guy, from sleeper WR1 to WR2/Flex according to their own newsletter.GEEZ you guys get sensitive on game day...FWIW next time I will A) Watch the clock a little closer and not drink high-gravity beer during my draft (ok that last part WAS a blatant lie)B) Pay more attention to the rankings of Dodds, Tremblay and Wood

 

[LawFitz]

Wait, so you don't subscribe and you're complaining about free info from a small subset of the FBG staff. And you're basing your assessment on two weeks where Lloyd was targeted extensively and just missed long TDs.

 

[MAC_32]

Offers sentTamme, Collie, and Avery for LloydChris Johnson and Amendola for Lloyd and CharlesWelker for Lloyd and Britt

Johnson/Amendola deal quickly accepted#Lloydownersjumpingship

 

[sm8680]

Clifford week 1 Brandon Lloyd turns the wrong shoulder or too late per say and misses on an easy 60 yard bomb that should of been a touchdown. If that happens this thread doesn't get created. Brandon Lloyd looks great in my opinion. He has contortionist like skills where he can twist and turn his body to get his feet properly placed. I wouldn't be giving up on him. If anything Tom and him need to get in better rhythm.

FBG reinforced my interest in wanting to roster Lloyd this season. Even though Bloom's master plan and the audible was saying draft Brandon Lloyd in the 5th round I ended up waiting until the 6th round. Because like you I wanted Bowe and I also saw that in our NFL draft that Lloyd wasn't within the next 15 players. I ended up losing out on Matt Ryan though as a result.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This thread so reminds me of the "why did FBG's pimp out Mark Ingram as a RB2?" threads last year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bunch of mad Lloyd owners in here

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Bunch of mad Lloyd owners in here

I'm not mad at Lloyd. I own him as my WR4 in one league, and sold him for Gore in another.

 

[Zow]

How do you take someone by accident who isn't ever near the other guy by alphabetical name listing?

 

[shadyridr]

Bunch of mad Lloyd owners in here

more like one

 

[shadyridr]

How do you take someone by accident who isn't ever near the other guy by alphabetical name listing?

its called backpedaling

 

[Clifford]

Wait, so you don't subscribe and you're complaining about free info from a small subset of the FBG staff. And you're basing your assessment on two weeks where Lloyd was targeted extensively and just missed long TDs.

More proof of people not reading and responding to what they think was written. Let me make this clear:I am not blaming FBG for me letting the clock run out and accidentally drafting Lloyd

I was merely commenting that he has gone from a WR1 in at least 4 staffers estimation, to a WR2/Flex according to the FBG newsletter in two weeks. Given all the reasonable replies stating that he is getting targets (which I knew) and that he has narrowly missed out on a long TD or two (which I also knew, Lloyd should have caught that ball) I found it to be a bit of a backtrack. I thought the blurb might have merited a "he's starting off slower than some thought" as a way of explanation. That is all.

But go ahead and say I am blaming them for drafting Lloyd. Makes tons of sense given that I did not even mean to draft him in the first place.

Damn you FBGs for my lack of draft clock management!!! *shakesfist*

 

[heropretend]

don't listen to the audible's recommendations, just listen to the analysis. bloom gets eyes like saucers over certain guys. waldmen used to be a bit reserved but he's hit his stride and gets just as enthusiastic as bloom. you may just be blindly following them without doing your own homework. just take a test, do you think the saints gameplan includes ingram running out the clock? do you believe bilal powell is going to emerge if given the opportunity? did you draft brady in the first round?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

He's just missed a TD both weeks. He leads the team in targets. That number will go up with Hernandez out. Lloyd is a buy right now.

 

[Clifford]

How do you take someone by accident who isn't ever near the other guy by alphabetical name listing?

its called backpedaling

Guys, this really isn't nearly as hard to comprehend as you're making it.I had Lloyd lumped in with other receivers. I had downgraded him through my rankings but when you are ranking 200+ players sometimes people don't fall into the exact right slot. While I was switching choices from Bowe to Bryant, and back again, LLoyd sat at the top of the remaining players list. So when I took too long to decide, it drafted Lloyd automatically since I had not picked someone else. I screwed up. I certainly did not think Lloyd would do nothing, but also didn't want him above Bowe. Bryant is a player I have never been able to make my mind up on, so when it came down to him and Bowe, I had a tough time deciding.

 

[Young 8]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

lolTop 10 of what ?

Patriots WRs ?

 

[Clifford]

don't listen to the audible's recommendations, just listen to the analysis. bloom gets eyes like saucers over certain guys. waldmen used to be a bit reserved but he's hit his stride and gets just as enthusiastic as bloom. you may just be blindly following them without doing your own homework. just take a test, do you think the saints gameplan includes ingram running out the clock? do you believe bilal powell is going to emerge if given the opportunity? did you draft brady in the first round?

Read the post right above yours.

 

[MAC_32]

Offers sentTamme, Collie, and Avery for LloydChris Johnson and Amendola for Lloyd and CharlesWelker for Lloyd and Britt

Johnson/Amendola deal quickly accepted#Lloydownersjumpingship

Welker for Lloyd and Britt - accepted.Less optimistic about the first one, it's definitely my weakest team. Will update all of you who I'm sure are on the edge of your seat about that when I hear back.

 

[The Squeaky Wheel]

Preseason this guy was ranked in the top 10 and universally agreed upon as a WR1 that could be had late and have you laughing all the way to the Superbowl. After two weeks:

Fantasy owners have been disappointed by Lloyd so far this year. We say stick with him in your starting lineup as a WR2 or flex play.

I took this turd by accident in the 5th when I meant to take Bowe. Hopefully his targets turn into something so I can trade him.

Panic much? Bowe has 2 TDs in garbage time last week. And he is on a horrible team. If you like to rely on garbage time TDs, he is your guy.

Lloyd targets went up when Hernandez went out last week. Brady has missed Lloyd on a couple of deep passes. I think Lloyd benefits the most by the Hernandez injury. I would rather have Lloyd on my team than Bowe going forward.

 

[sm8680]

Clifford while laying out on the deck of the ship with cocktail in hand hears Edward Smith yelling at the top of his lungs "abandon ship glacier ahead"

Clifford's while stewing is thinking damn those FBG I wish they were as good as this band.

FBG can make adjustments as the weeks go on. If they don't then I want my money back. For someone who doesn't subscribe and help feed their kids your pretty critical. Personally I'd thank them for there free advice and move on and abandon this thread. Paid or Free I view them as a resource to help me enjoy my Fantasy Football season. They obviously don't make my mind up for me. They sure can help influence it but as far as I'm concerned when or lose I'm steering my own ship.