"Backup Daniel Thomas is under the impression he'll get the sa (1 Viewer)

[uhaul77]

WTF? Is this just Thomas spewing BS?

“It’s cool,” Thomas added. “We’re all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. It’s not a problem.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html

Any chance the split is similar to last year w/ Bush, as noted in the article? Or less for Thomas?

 

[joffer]

The sa?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

The sa?

"the same amount of reps" according to the full title on the thread on this page. Apparently it didn't fit on the main page with all of the threads.

 

[Ray_T]

No, it's looked like the coaches have been saying the starting job is up for grabs for some time. everyone has assumed the starter will be Miller but it seems Thomas has had a decent camp.

I think this has committee written all over it.

 

[ebsteelers]

I know people dont want to admit it, if you took miller early but as someone who doesnt have either. I defintely think people should be concerned that it could turn into a 60/40 or worse for Miller. It seems like Thomas will be enough of a pain in the butt early and with the Dolphins o Line not being great to have concerns getting rb 2 numbers out of him atleast the first few weeks

 

[Grahamburn]

This is the important part of the story:

Thomas, a third-year rusher out of Kansas State, expects he and Miller will share the work load the way he and Reggie Bush did in 2012. Bush had 227 carries last year; Thomas had 91.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy

 

[humpback]

No, it's looked like the coaches have been saying the starting job is up for grabs for some time. everyone has assumed the starter will be Miller but it seems Thomas has had a decent camp.

I think this has committee written all over it.

The coaches have been saying that, but I haven't seen where Thomas has had a decent camp. He's been pretty awful in the preseason games.

It may be a committee, but the coaches would have to be blind to give Thomas more than 30% or so.

 

[Run It Up]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

 

[Khy]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

 

[humpback]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

Neither one of those is a "wild assumption".

 

[chinawildman]

Timeshare meaning a similar distribution to what Bush/Thomas got last year, except now Miller replaces Bush. I don't think Miller owners will be too displeased by that.

 

[ldizzle]

I honestly dont get it. The guy has not shown ANYTHING. There must be something else going on because thomas is what he is. a below average running back.

 

[werdnoynek]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

 

[Ray_T]

It's possible skill has nothing to do with it.

I think its also a case where Thomas was a second round pick. generally players taken in the top 3 rounds are given more opportunity than say a 4th, 5th or 6th round.

it is also possible that when the first teams play in camp that thomas has played better.

sometimes exhibition can be misleading because if you are running behind the second string linemem you most likely will NOT put up good numbers so yards per carry in preseason may not mean much.

Unfortunately projecting RB's based on exhibition performance is rarely accurate.

 

[Run It Up]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

That doesn't change the likelihood that Daniel Thomas would get a reasonable amount of carries and likely most of the goal line touches based on prior seasons.

 

[werdnoynek]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

That doesn't change the likelihood that Daniel Thomas would get a reasonable amount of carries and likely most of the goal line touches based on prior seasons.

To start the season? Sure. As it says in the article, Thomas "shared the load" last season with Bush too... that experiment went out the window pretty quickly. Let's not just ignore what Thomas has done in his career thus far people... absolutely nothing. Plodder extraordinaire. IMO this talk of a shared backfield has more to do with Ireland than it has to do with the two guys we're talking about here. Miller is stepping into the Bush role in my eyes... a role that I'm perfectly content with as my RB3 with RB2 or even RB1 upside.

ETA: If Thomas get's 100 carries this season and some goal line work, so be it. But what Miller can do with 200+ carries and some receptions will make him an RB2. The guy is a play maker. Thomas is nothing but a turd with legs.

 

[JuniorNB]

1 in 12 people are really, really not believing that Thomas will cut into Miller's workload.

 

[Run It Up]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

That doesn't change the likelihood that Daniel Thomas would get a reasonable amount of carries and likely most of the goal line touches based on prior seasons.

To start the season? Sure. As it says in the article, Thomas "shared the load" last season with Bush too... that experiment went out the window pretty quickly. Let's not just ignore what Thomas has done in his career thus far people... absolutely nothing. Plodder extraordinaire. IMO this talk of a shared backfield has more to do with Ireland than it has to do with the two guys we're talking about here. Miller is stepping into the Bush role in my eyes... a role that I'm perfectly content with as my RB3 with RB2 or even RB1 upside.

Miller hasn't accomplished anything either...

Your arguing with no one. Everyone in the Miami organization has been saying they will share time and everyone outside of the organization assumed it was some sort of ploy.

I just avoided the situation entirely.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This same coaching staff gave Thomas more touches than Miller on the ground, in the passing game, and at the goal-line just last year. It's entirely possible that they view both guys as role players with skill sets that complement each other. I personally see Thomas as a very poor man's Leroy Hoard (basically 3 yards and a cloud of dust -- garbage), but the coaching staff might think that Miller is best used in a < 15 touch / game part time role...

 

[werdnoynek]

1 in 12 people are really, really not believing that Thomas will cut into Miller's workload.

I'm not saying he won't, I'm saying it wont matter. Thomas can't do anything with the opportunities he's given.

 

[Insein]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

That's not just the sp. That's the whole fantasy community including the media guys who are supposedly tied into the teams enough to know who will be getting the most carries etc. Miller isn't just being drafted high by fbgers. He's going high in every draft.

 

[ponchsox]

This is a motivation ploy and shows a lack of confidence in Miller by the coaching staff.

Miller was overdrafted in fantasy leagues.

 

[joffer]

I think a 66/33 split seems about right

 

[werdnoynek]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

That's not just the sp. That's the whole fantasy community including the media guys who are supposedly tied into the teams enough to know who will be getting the most carries etc. Miller isn't just being drafted high by fbgers. He's going high in every draft.

That may be because majority of the Miller backers have watched Thomas play the last three years (counting preseason this year). They know he's done nothing with his opportunities and don't expect a light to magically come on this year. It could happen, but I'll take anyone not named Thomas that plays RB on the same team at this point. Even if this turns out to be a 50/50 split, Miller only needs one touch to be a factor. Thomas has no game breaking ability to him. He's a plodder through and through.

 

[ldizzle]

thomas has had 2 years to show what he can do. he avgs around 3.5 ypc and was way below that this preseason. miller on the other hand (on limited touches) had 4.9ypc last year and 4.2 this preseason. the proof is in the pudding

 

[Insein]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

That's not just the sp. That's the whole fantasy community including the media guys who are supposedly tied into the teams enough to know who will be getting the most carries etc. Miller isn't just being drafted high by fbgers. He's going high in every draft.

That may be because majority of the Miller backers have watched Thomas play the last three years. They know he's done nothing with his opportunities and don't expect a light to magically come on this year. It could happen, but I'll take anyone not named Thomas that plays RB on the same team at this point. Even if this turns out to be a 50/50 split, Miller only needs one touch to be a factor.

That's different than "Miller is the clear starter and will get a bulk of the carries." Most beat writers can sift through the crap and tell if the coaches are really thinking that way by what happens in practice. We all just assumed Miller had this thing and by all I mean the whole community. Now this comes out showing that group think is dangerous. Yes Miller may eventually win this job but that's hardly consolation for those that drafted him as their rb2 and now have to roll him out for week 1.

 

[humpback]

It's possible skill has nothing to do with it.

I think its also a case where Thomas was a second round pick. generally players taken in the top 3 rounds are given more opportunity than say a 4th, 5th or 6th round.

it is also possible that when the first teams play in camp that thomas has played better.

sometimes exhibition can be misleading because if you are running behind the second string linemem you most likely will NOT put up good numbers so yards per carry in preseason may not mean much.

Unfortunately projecting RB's based on exhibition performance is rarely accurate.

Any more strawmen you care to throw in there?

 

[gianmarco]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

 

[werdnoynek]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

That's not just the sp. That's the whole fantasy community including the media guys who are supposedly tied into the teams enough to know who will be getting the most carries etc. Miller isn't just being drafted high by fbgers. He's going high in every draft.

That may be because majority of the Miller backers have watched Thomas play the last three years. They know he's done nothing with his opportunities and don't expect a light to magically come on this year. It could happen, but I'll take anyone not named Thomas that plays RB on the same team at this point. Even if this turns out to be a 50/50 split, Miller only needs one touch to be a factor.

That's different than "Miller is the clear starter and will get a bulk of the carries." Most beat writers can sift through the crap and tell if the coaches are really thinking that way by what happens in practice. We all just assumed Miller had this thing and by all I mean the whole community. Now this comes out showing that group think is dangerous.Yes Miller may eventually win this job but that's hardly consolation for those that drafted him as their rb2 and now have to roll him out for week 1.

Ouch yeah, RB2 is high hopes to start the season. I see that kind of upside but drafting him as a RB2 is a mistake. I drafted him as an RB3 when I could get him around the 4th or 5th.

We'll see what happens, Ireland is pushing this Thomas train until it derails and the tracks end this season IMO. Miller has the talent to be special, he just needs to put his game together. If this is truly an even split the entire year, I could still see Miller ending up an RB2. He can make things happen, it will just be hit or miss each week.

 

[We Tigers]

Alternate headline: "Backup Daniel Thomas Not the Brightest"

 

[humpback]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

That's not just the sp. That's the whole fantasy community including the media guys who are supposedly tied into the teams enough to know who will be getting the most carries etc. Miller isn't just being drafted high by fbgers. He's going high in every draft.

That may be because majority of the Miller backers have watched Thomas play the last three years. They know he's done nothing with his opportunities and don't expect a light to magically come on this year. It could happen, but I'll take anyone not named Thomas that plays RB on the same team at this point. Even if this turns out to be a 50/50 split, Miller only needs one touch to be a factor.

That's different than "Miller is the clear starter and will get a bulk of the carries." Most beat writers can sift through the crap and tell if the coaches are really thinking that way by what happens in practice. We all just assumed Miller had this thing and by all I mean the whole community. Now this comes out showing that group think is dangerous.Yes Miller may eventually win this job but that's hardly consolation for those that drafted him as their rb2 and now have to roll him out for week 1.

What "came out" that changes things so much?

 

[Run It Up]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

Except they have... since training camp. GM, OC and head coach - everyone that matters has been saying it.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I love how delusional the Miller owners are. Miller looked awful in preseason; the Miami OL is average at best having lost their starting LT and only player worth a darn on that OL. Miller has never proven anything. The QB is suspect. This team is going to bomb in a big way and the Miller owners that are starting this guy as their RB2 are going to be crying a lot this year....yes mark it down.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

A bunch of people seem to be missing the possibility that Thomas sucks, but gets a good chunk of work regardless. If Miller turns out to be a Felix Jones (early Cowboys Felix not broken down current version) type (explosive but goes down on 1st contact) he'll be limited to a COP role...

 

[gianmarco]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

Except they have... since training camp. GM, OC and head coach - everyone that matters has been saying it.

Would love to see any links or quotes "since training camp".

It wasn't until just a couple weeks ago when there was even a mention of it being "neck and neck" and it was big news. Although it really isn't big news because all actions and statements up until this point have shown it's Miller's job.

Even this quote which seems to be some kind of big deal is coming from Daniel Thomas. I mean, really? This is not the coaching staff saying this new blurb. This is the backup saying this. And as pointed out above, it helps if you actually read the whole story. Here is the actual relevant quote:

Thomas said that the first he had heard of the decision was when reporters told him about it Tuesday.

“It’s cool,” Thomas added. “We’re all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. It’s not a problem.”

Thomas, a third-year rusher out of Kansas State, expects he and Miller will share the work load the way he and Reggie Bush did in 2012. Bush had 227 carries last year; Thomas had 91.

That's nice he thinks they're going to get the same amount of reps but what he thinks is irrelevant. And based on last year, he didn't get close to the same amount of reps. This is such a non-news story but if you think otherwise, have at it.

We'll find out soon enough exactly how the Miami coaching staff feels about these 2 guys and how they plan on using them.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy

 

[ebsteelers]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

Except they have... since training camp. GM, OC and head coach - everyone that matters has been saying it.

Would love to see any links or quotes "since training camp".

It wasn't until just a couple weeks ago when there was even a mention of it being "neck and neck" and it was big news. Although it really isn't big news because all actions and statements up until this point have shown it's Miller's job.

Even this quote which seems to be some kind of big deal is coming from Daniel Thomas. I mean, really? This is not the coaching staff saying this new blurb. This is the backup saying this. And as pointed out above, it helps if you actually read the whole story. Here is the actual relevant quote:

Thomas said that the first he had heard of the decision was when reporters told him about it Tuesday.

“It’s cool,” Thomas added. “We’re all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. It’s not a problem.”

Thomas, a third-year rusher out of Kansas State, expects he and Miller will share the work load the way he and Reggie Bush did in 2012. Bush had 227 carries last year; Thomas had 91.

That's nice he thinks they're going to get the same amount of reps but what he thinks is irrelevant. And based on last year, he didn't get close to the same amount of reps. This is such a non-news story but if you think otherwise, have at it.

We'll find out soon enough exactly how the Miami coaching staff feels about these 2 guys and how they plan on using them.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy

your signature post, could be one of the funniest things I've ever read.

 

[Run It Up]

I had been reading almost weekly reports that Miller was the clear #1 but that Thomas would have a significant role since training camp, however I couldn't find the previous mentions I was talking about, I know they were said but since I can't prove it and am not invested in the situation whatsoever I will concede my point.

This is all I could find:

March 27th 2013:

Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland says he has a "high, high degree of excitement for" Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas.

There is a significant amount of statements since the beginning of preseason however that the team is very high on Thomas and expect him to play a significant role. Again this in no way means Thomas will ever be the #1, or is even on a level near Miller, it does mean IMO that Miller is not a feature back.

 

[jeeb]

I had been reading almost weekly reports that Miller was the clear #1 but that Thomas would have a significant role since training camp, however I couldn't find the previous mentions I was talking about, I know they were said but since I can't prove it and am not invested in the situation whatsoever I will concede my point.

This is all I could find:

March 27th 2013:

Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland says he has a "high, high degree of excitement for" Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas.

There is a significant amount of statements since the beginning of preseason however that the team is very high on Thomas and expect him to play a significant role. Again this in no way means Thomas will ever be the #1, or is even on a level near Miller, it does mean IMO that Miller is not a feature back.

All it means is that Ireland keeps talking Thomas up because pretty much everyone can see that he blew a 2nd round draft pick on a completely mediocre NFL running back.

 

[ldizzle]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

Except they have... since training camp. GM, OC and head coach - everyone that matters has been saying it.

Would love to see any links or quotes "since training camp".

It wasn't until just a couple weeks ago when there was even a mention of it being "neck and neck" and it was big news. Although it really isn't big news because all actions and statements up until this point have shown it's Miller's job.

Even this quote which seems to be some kind of big deal is coming from Daniel Thomas. I mean, really? This is not the coaching staff saying this new blurb. This is the backup saying this. And as pointed out above, it helps if you actually read the whole story. Here is the actual relevant quote:

Thomas said that the first he had heard of the decision was when reporters told him about it Tuesday.

“It’s cool,” Thomas added. “We’re all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. It’s not a problem.”

Thomas, a third-year rusher out of Kansas State, expects he and Miller will share the work load the way he and Reggie Bush did in 2012. Bush had 227 carries last year; Thomas had 91.

That's nice he thinks they're going to get the same amount of reps but what he thinks is irrelevant. And based on last year, he didn't get close to the same amount of reps. This is such a non-news story but if you think otherwise, have at it.

We'll find out soon enough exactly how the Miami coaching staff feels about these 2 guys and how they plan on using them.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy

Thank you for pointing this out. I am guilty of reading the quote out of context.

I think they are twisting his words. he said he anticipates that they will get the same amount of reps. Same amount as what, last year? He then goes on to say that "its cool" like he doesnt mind getting the same workload as last year. thats how i read it.

 

[Insein]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

No, they haven't been saying that "for months".

Except they have... since training camp. GM, OC and head coach - everyone that matters has been saying it.

Would love to see any links or quotes "since training camp".

It wasn't until just a couple weeks ago when there was even a mention of it being "neck and neck" and it was big news. Although it really isn't big news because all actions and statements up until this point have shown it's Miller's job.

Even this quote which seems to be some kind of big deal is coming from Daniel Thomas. I mean, really? This is not the coaching staff saying this new blurb. This is the backup saying this. And as pointed out above, it helps if you actually read the whole story. Here is the actual relevant quote:

Thomas said that the first he had heard of the decision was when reporters told him about it Tuesday.

Its cool, Thomas added. Were all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. Its not a problem.

Thomas, a third-year rusher out of Kansas State, expects he and Miller will share the work load the way he and Reggie Bush did in 2012. Bush had 227 carries last year; Thomas had 91.

That's nice he thinks they're going to get the same amount of reps but what he thinks is irrelevant. And based on last year, he didn't get close to the same amount of reps. This is such a non-news story but if you think otherwise, have at it.

We'll find out soon enough exactly how the Miami coaching staff feels about these 2 guys and how they plan on using them.



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/04/3603696/miami-dolphins-decision-to-start.html#storylink=cpy

Thank you for pointing this out. I am guilty of reading the quote out of context.

I think they are twisting his words. he said he anticipates that they will get the same amount of reps. Same amount as what, last year? He then goes on to say that "its cool" like he doesnt mind getting the same workload as last year. thats how i read it.

Yes you're right. I need to relax for now. I have him and Ridley as my rbs in my one league and this headline scared me.

 

[Biabreakable]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

Neither one of those is a "wild assumption".

Well except for the part where the Giants have said nothing about their RB situation. But I guess technically that is ignorance.

Greg Cossell said weeks ago that he thought Thomas looked very good in preseason. But people just believe what they want to believe.

eta- I just realized it was Khy saying nothing was said by the Giants coaches about the RB situation. Ignorance is no excuse for him. Khy also thinks the NFC East is the toughest division in the NFC. Maybe he thinks it is still 1995 or something.

 

[Shutout]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

That doesn't change the likelihood that Daniel Thomas would get a reasonable amount of carries and likely most of the goal line touches based on prior seasons.

To start the season? Sure. As it says in the article, Thomas "shared the load" last season with Bush too... that experiment went out the window pretty quickly. Let's not just ignore what Thomas has done in his career thus far people... absolutely nothing. Plodder extraordinaire. IMO this talk of a shared backfield has more to do with Ireland than it has to do with the two guys we're talking about here. Miller is stepping into the Bush role in my eyes... a role that I'm perfectly content with as my RB3 with RB2 or even RB1 upside.

ETA: If Thomas get's 100 carries this season and some goal line work, so be it. But what Miller can do with 200+ carries and some receptions will make him an RB2. The guy is a play maker. Thomas is nothing but a turd with legs.

I think you may be overlooking an important piece of info in regards to the assumption that you will be perfectly content if Miller fills the Bush role.

We should remember that the team is saying now it will be a split. Those are the exact same words they used last year.

We also need to remember that Thomas didn't play in 4 games last year so when you look at the number of attempts, its not a true story.

We also need to remember that as late as Week 10 and 11 last year, that split was real. In one game, Thomas had 9 carries and Bush had 14 (40%). The week befor that, Thomas actually had 14 and Bush only had 10. Bush's talent/luck/matchup (whatever you want to call it in that he capitalized well on opportunites and that translates to fantasy production) kept his numbers up, but the reality is there was a true split in duties. So, will Miller be able to capitalize at a similar high rate? Is he as good in the running AND passing game as Bush?

Can he be what so many are expecting with a shared backfield?

 

[Clifford]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

What wild assumption? If you've actually watched the two of them play it's clear who the best back is. Time share be damned, Thomas has been "sharing the load" since he came to the NFL and has done not a damn thing with the opportunities. If you're just going to go off comments in the media, you're going to miss the boat here. Miller is the back to own, not because of some wild assumption, but because of what he's shown he can do on the field.

That doesn't change the likelihood that Daniel Thomas would get a reasonable amount of carries and likely most of the goal line touches based on prior seasons.

To start the season? Sure. As it says in the article, Thomas "shared the load" last season with Bush too... that experiment went out the window pretty quickly. Let's not just ignore what Thomas has done in his career thus far people... absolutely nothing. Plodder extraordinaire. IMO this talk of a shared backfield has more to do with Ireland than it has to do with the two guys we're talking about here. Miller is stepping into the Bush role in my eyes... a role that I'm perfectly content with as my RB3 with RB2 or even RB1 upside.

Miller hasn't accomplished anything either...

Your arguing with no one. Everyone in the Miami organization has been saying they will share time and everyone outside of the organization assumed it was some sort of ploy.

I just avoided the situation entirely.

Miami has been saying timeshare all along. Rotoworld has been the worst, downplaying every single announcement. I'd be surprised if they didn't rotate drives for the first game. I just think Miller is a better bet to do more with his carries, but I could be wrong.

 

[joffer]

I like Miller a lot more than I did before this thread started.

 

[cvnpoka]

Its like they've been saying the same thing for three months now, and everyone just doesn't believe them.

It's kind of funny watching these threads on the SP. For months the coaches have been saying "It's neck and neck, both will see ample playing time" and nobody believes them and just assumes Miller will get bell cow carries cause he's clearly the more talented back. And on the flip side for months the Giants didn't say anything about their RB situation and everyone just assumed that Wilson would be in a time share with Brown before the injury.

I feel like every year I sit here and watch everyone on the SP make these wild assumptions that almost never pan out to be true. I definitely see a time share coming in MIA this season.

giants coaches said many times that andre brown would have a big role. you are wrong.

 

[Casting Couch]

WTF? Is this just Thomas spewing BS?

“It’s cool,” Thomas added. “We’re all going to get pretty much the same amount of reps. It’s not a problem.”

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

 

[JaxBill]

I think the Dolphins WANT Thomas to challenge Miller. But one back is quick to the line and one isn't. One back can break off the big play and one can't. Thomas is one challenge but I think bigger impediments to Miller's playing time is holding onto the ball and staying healthy.

Yeah, Miller is probably being drafted too early and you can make the case that Thomas is a better value. Just from what I have seen Miller has a much bigger upside and is my bet to win the job outright.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP here from the 305, let me help you guys out and share what the beat writers will tell you any time you ask. Daniel Thomas is not a starting RB in the NFL. If you plod and you are slow you better be ready to make contact and enjoy it, Thomas does not. He has little speed and he avoids contact, that's a bad combination at RB. So if Miami does start Thomas, don't be dumb enough to start putting that guy in your line up right away. Thomas could start and go 5 carries for 7 yds, he is awful and should be avoided like the plague.

If that's not clear enough let me know.

 

[saintfool]

MOP here from the 305, let me help you guys out and share what the beat writers will tell you any time you ask. Daniel Thomas is not a starting RB in the NFL. If you plod and you are slow you better be ready to make contact and enjoy it, Thomas does not. He has little speed and he avoids contact, that's a bad combination at RB. So if Miami does start Thomas, don't be dumb enough to start putting that guy in your line up right away. Thomas could start and go 5 carries for 7 yds, he is awful and should be avoided like the plague.

If that's not clear enough let me know.

whew! we were waiting, MOP.

 

[werdnoynek]

MOP here from the 305, let me help you guys out and share what the beat writers will tell you any time you ask. Daniel Thomas is not a starting RB in the NFL. If you plod and you are slow you better be ready to make contact and enjoy it, Thomas does not. He has little speed and he avoids contact, that's a bad combination at RB. So if Miami does start Thomas, don't be dumb enough to start putting that guy in your line up right away. Thomas could start and go 5 carries for 7 yds, he is awful and should be avoided like the plague.

If that's not clear enough let me know.

:IBTL: /thread.